the military, but not to kill the economy. another important issue that the parliament itself considered is the reset of customs, and this decision has already been taken, i really do not understand why it is so late, in principle, this decision has been taken, because i remember very well the beginning of zelenskyi's presidential term, and in fact, how president zelenskyi and andriy bohdan, then the head of the president's office in... ukraine, came to the customs officers and had conversations with them, first about what car you drive, show your phone or which iphones, which iphone do you have, what do you live on, eh, why, why does it take so long for your hands to reach customs, mr. oleksandr, i understand that this is not your profile topic, but after all, we all understand , in which country we live, we all see how customs officers live in the west, in the west of ukraine, not bad in principle, and we

understand that they probably do not have such large salaries that they can afford what they can afford. well, as for the customs reset, well, you know what they say, better late than never, right? the matter is because if that didn't happen, there would always be, you could ask the question that you're asking now, why wasn't it done before, why wasn't it done under the previous president. or another president and so on, but the main thing is that they did it, and this is a positive signal, it is good, and it must be said that, according to experts' estimates, up to uah 150 billion a year, it is this scheme at the customs that launders money from the budget, because it actually unpaid taxes, or not incorrectly registered goods, or it is some kind of...

bribes for customs clearance of some goods, ms. oksana, how to overcome this difficult situation at the customs, well, they will reboot, we already have a large anti-corruption infrastructure in ukraine, when it was passed into law in the verkhovna rada, i remember they said: we have the best anti-corruption legislation in europe, we have corruption it won't be, but how much has passed already? mr. rostislav, 8 years or so in 16th year, if i am not mistaken, these laws were passed, but, well, but, but regarding the application of laws, we always have some question, will it not be the same with the customs, well you you know, really, if they will are fixed, even after the customs reform, nothing will change, yes, the signs on the offices will change, the persons who will occupy some positions will change, etc. will still find opportunities and ways

to get back to the places where they used to work for years, because they know how it was before, everything depends on those goals, on that control, which the state actually sets before itself, in terms of customs control , so that it was all transparent, to at least somehow resolve the issue, to try to at least a little overcome what no one has ever conquered it, it's a contraba. and accordingly, corrupt actions at customs also begin, everything will really depend on how realistically the state wants to do it, whether there will be someone who will give us beautiful slogans, we will vote really laws, they will be very good, like you they said, the best thing is the question of who will implement them and who will be those who will try to live by these laws and not violate them, so it is good that... the law

has been voted, now the most important thing remains - it is control and that these reforms happened when people who really follow the law come, do not report to anyone , it is not known where they are going in kyiv with some suitcases, and then, or trunks, i apologize, with money, and then i hope that we will have a really real addition to the state budget , styslav, oleksandr mereshko reprimanded that under other presidents such a situation was at customs and not only at customs, and we remember how at the nsc olimpiyskiy the then presidential candidate zelensky asked president poroshenko why his friends had two hands, they say, why or, if, if they are stealing, why didn't they chop off these hands, if you had the opportunity to ask now... ska

olimpiyskiy to president zelensky, what would you, what question would you ask him, similar or different? well, look, first of all, it's very easy to ask, and now. volodymyr zelenskyi can address almost the entire list of these questions to himself, and here and there talk about the covid-19 war and so on, but we have heard about just the big various constructions, big initiatives for the first time about billions of trees and so on other, but did not see any reform things, i would instead talk about more concrete things, and about severed hands, you know, it was 5 years for... in order to prove, name me, who has proven at least something among these loud things , which were attempted when they came to power, and the current team, starting with petro poroshenko and all those who were said to be proven criminals, where are

the cases, where are the verdicts, where are the results, well, it was obviously an exaggeration, and we remember let's see how the media worked then, there was not just freedom words, but there was a certain fashion. to say different things to the authorities and not think about how true they are, but i would say because you, mr. serhiy, here is mr. oleksandr, said that what happened there predecessors, what was done, the customs office is only a part of a rather wide complex, and this anti-corruption infrastructure is only a third of the way to fight, because it is only the tracking, control and punishment of those who violate, and when the hand washes the hand, then it is necessary to break these ... these dirty schemes, and and the first thing that was done for example, this is an automatic vat refund, the lion's share of the schemes rests on what is exported, what is imported with money from the value added tax, and when it was introduced into the automation,

the revenues just increased and the customs clearance issues fell, alas, after in the 19th year it was stopped. the second story is the unification of registers. in terms of tax and customs, it was a difficult issue, because we have been profiting from this for decades, it has already been brought to mind and also, well, unfortunately, it does not work like that now, although it should have given results. the third is precisely the context of european integration, when joint work with our european partners from neighboring states could both simplify processes and be done. with their transparency, this work was also brought to a fairly significant level, and then, apparently, the hands did not reach, because we had to deal with something very big, and unfortunately, now in many respects we have rolled back almost to the starting point there on the 16th, 17 of the year, so today we can say that there is such a second

attempt, but we entered through the corrected version through the appointment, through the competitive commissions, involvement of international advisors, let's see how it will work, but the latter... i would like to say, i would still urge my colleagues to pay attention to what has been done, not to reject it just because another team did it, because then together with the cleaning personnel and together with the work of the anti-corruption infrastructure, it will give results. thank you, mr. rostyslav, i would like to remind our viewers that we are live and conduct a survey throughout our broadcast, we ask you this: would you move to the united states of america or the eu if - had such an opportunity, yes, no, on youtube and facebook everything is quite simple when voting, if you have a separate opinion, please write it in the comments under this video, if you are watching us on tv, take your smartphone or phone and vote on the numbers 0800 211 381 if you had

the opportunity and did you move to the united states of america or the eu, if yes, then vote on this number, no 0800 211 382. no and all the numbers, we will count all the votes at the end of the program and all calls are free, so vote, we'd love to hear your opinion. yet one topic that is relevant, that will be relevant, obviously in the next two weeks, is zelenskyi's victory plan. volodymyr zelensky said that 90% of the victory plan is already ready, and obviously this victory plan will be presented in... the united states of america to the president of the united states , joseph biden, and this will happen after september 25, when the un general assembly begins. mr. oleksandr, do you know the content of this document, have you seen the draft of this document, because since it is

not just zelensky's victory plan, the victory plan ukraine and ukrainians, as a ukrainian, for example, i am interested to know what is in this plan for victory, well, i don't see a plan, but what is president zelensky's peace formula, which has a very specific nature. if we are talking specifically about this plan of victory, then i am not sure that... it should be brought to the general public, perhaps only that circle, let's say, of our allies, partners, has the right to know about this plan, about the details of this plan on whom the aid to ukraine depends, that is, it is possible that even there are some secret things that should not be taken out so that the enemy did not know, for example, did not take advantage of this knowledge, that is, i... i am very careful about telling, well , let's say so, about the openness of this plan, er,

well, you speak very briefly, but i would like understand, since you are a representative of the presidential team, is there any other plan b, relatively speaking, because judging by the information that i read and listen and read, it looks like there is a plan for victory. the basis of which is based on the support of the united states of america to ukraine, but i do not understand what will happen if this support, which is obviously, in this plan for victory, we don't , well, we won't have it, that is, will we have another plan for victory, is there a plan b, if there is a plan a, well , we still don't know the details of plan a and how can we talk about the plan b, but some things, on the surface, that is, it is about the need to obtain a sufficient number and sufficient

quality of modern weapons, starting with air defense systems, long-range missiles, that is, atacoms, for example, patriot systems and so on, that is , in order to to win the war you must have well, a kind of even parity, you can say, if it is about weapons, and... that is, such things, i think, well, they are generally known in relation to your question, if, for example, there is a problem with the supply of weapons from the united states, well first of all, i don't believe it, i am sure that this is the national interest of the united states, there are many arguments in favor of the fact that the united states should support ukraine, because at least, well, there was a recent study by the americans. or authors, and the main conclusion reached by these authors is that it will be

much more expensive for the united states if ukraine loses this war. that is, even from the point of view of economic expediency and rationality, it is necessary to support ukraine in every way right now so that it wins. and if we talk about some kind of conditional plan b regarding the provision of military-technical assistance, then let's not forget that there are... 300, at least, actually much more, at least 300 billion dollars in europe of russian sovereign assets, that is, we must use these resource. i am sure that the west will find different, maybe even creative options, regardless of who will become the president of the united states, in order to help ukraine. thank you, mr. oleksandr, ms. oksano, tell me, well, we are talking about this victory plan, obviously we all want this

victory, and obviously we all want to go to the borders of 1991, and we want russia to withdraw its troops from the territory of ukraine, and in principle the war that is going on in ukraine is a people's war, because if not the ukrainian the people, and not only the efforts of many layers of the people, not simply. of the armed forces of ukraine, and volunteers, and ordinary ukrainians who help finance the army, and many, many people who, who take indirectly, and those who are on the front, and those who indirectly help ukrainians to fight, this is a people's war, in under the conditions of this people's war, is it clear to you why this victory plan is, well, conventionally speaking, written only in one center, perhaps the verkhovna rada should be involved in this

victory plan, is it correct from the point of view e state, state secrets and secrets, so as not to upset this plan of victory, what do you think about the truth of this? well, as they say, we all know, it's a very good saying that if you want peace, prepare for war, so when we really do have peace sooner or later, we have to go on. not just to prepare for war, because we are already at war, but to continue to actively build up our internal forces in order to maintain the defense, and then the issue of future... peace negotiations will take place according to the best scenario for ukraine, unfortunately, it happened, that we are not the only ones, as a country, an independent player, we will be sitting at this table, we will be part of, uh, those big players of this world, who will also partially decide our fate, if this does not

sound unfortunate, but it is so, and of course, today we hear from... our allies that they will exclusively support the position of ukraine, but they can in various ways, for example, push us to do something, for example, by allocating less funds to us for the internal support of our there are protected articles or etc., and it will be internally in our country, we will be looking for more and more money for the army, we cannot provide for it. you see guaranteed payments there, we have such a big propaganda story in the sense that many, many different people today are not always engaged - those who we were in the same 22nd year, and we have a lot of disunity, and this a lot of people

use something too, so what's the plan you asked, you know, at this stage, i'm not sure what it is... that there's some kind of plan that needs to be made public, even i, believe me, i'm not ready to tell you that i think it needs to be talked about now because there are still so many questions, and really a lot will be decided after the united states election, and these negotiations will continue, so for now, in order for our positions to be strong, we must continue to internally clench our fists and keep the defense, both the rear and ... and every citizen, as well as the army, the army, and the people in general, because this is really a people's war. thank you, ms. oksano, mr. rostislav, you were the director of the national institute of strategic studies and obviously, similar plans or similar initiatives were also developed, you understand how how, on what principles these plans

are built, can you say whether ukraine should have... several victory plans or several action plans, how, how is it everything is happening, how it happened with your participation and not, what exactly can ukrainians expect from these plans? thank you, well, first of all, i would warn the authorities against writing something to a very narrow circle of five or six managers, as president zelensky once said, because such plans are not are prepared in narrow circles or even with the involvement of two or three close expert advisers, each... such a plan has a part that determines what each specific authority does, there is a part that concerns the parliament, there is a part that concerns government, and you always ask how it was with us, we had a parliamentary platform, where even president poroshenko was not ashamed to come, telling the things

that needed to be known to deputies, leaders of factions, actually such leading representatives of committees, and. .. by the way, it was easier too to fight the russian enemy, when we could be there talking on tv and so on, but having received clear information, representatives of different political forces could work together on international topics, international platforms and not blindly trust someone, because you know, you can also mention barbecues, you can to mention the peace summit, we were also told not to bother, we know better, and then it turned out that we didn't know better and would have preferred to listen to those who said what should be done and... that's why it had to be held, if not a closed session of the parliament, at least the meeting of the president with the representatives of the factions, talking about these things before it is presented to international partners, if only so that everyone knows their maneuver, and if only because ms. oksana very correctly and timely mentioned the beginning of a full-scale

invasion and the unity at that time, it was based on our understanding that we were all in the same boat. and now it turns out that someone is telling us, we know better here, although again there is evidence that they really do not know, take our word for it, although again there is too much evidence that it is better after all know, and for sure it would be better for all of us, for the citizens, for the country, if it were presented, talked about, calculated scenarios if something goes wrong, but then you can talk to the americans, and by the way, the last thing i will say, to things, and talking with partners on a different level... there will be much more trust and respect for such a plan if all the main political forces are behind it, if the parliament is behind it, if they are behind it, well, now they don't want to ... although i am convinced that we will still come to him, but at least everyone is behind him, who knows anything about this subject, and yes, when you know, five or six managers have brought something,

well, excuse me, i'm afraid the idol will be like that, as well as the peace summit and barbecues at the maist. thank you, mr. rostyslav, but you mentioned partners, of course, we are now watching how the presidential campaign is unfolding in the united states of america, and there has already been a debate, probably the first... the last one between trump and harris, because trump is talking about the fact that he seems to have won, and as a champion, he should not go out again for some duels, who is this kamala, but what trump is saying, trump is saying that he can come to an understanding with russia and with china and very quickly, in an interview he gave to the blogger farukh samrad sarmad on the x platform, he said , i don't know if the enemies... you mean china and russia, i think we will get along perfectly with china, i think we will get along perfectly with russia, russia will settle this situation, well, similar rhetoric

is used by trump regarding ukraine, that he will do everything to ensure that russia's war against ukraine ends within a few days. mr. alexander, do you have a vision of whether or not ukraine should give preference to any one candidate for the presidency, given the fact that... one of the candidates is definitely very sympathetic to ukraine and will continue the policy that joseph biden is currently pursuing. well, for now, i 'm convinced that there's no need to favor either candidate because we don't know who's going to win, and for me that's the strength of democracy, the unpredictability of not being able to say who's going to be the president of the most powerful country in the world. at the same time we need well to wait, it seems to me, for the results of the elections and to prepare for any option, to find suitable arguments, but the fact is that

one should not pay special attention to the rhetoric of any of the candidates, because this is an election campaign, there are certain laws of the genre, for example, trump has a kind of image that he cultivates, supports, it is the image of a person, a businessman, a... a businessman who can do, as he even has a book called that, as oborudkil did not want to say, yes, that is, he can reach an agreement with anyone and he cultivates this image, but this is part of the pre-election image, you need to look not at the rhetoric of the candidates, but at their actions, especially when one of them becomes the president of the united states, then it will become clear what the plan is, if there is a plan at all. the new president or president regarding ukraine, that is, at the moment we need to understand one simple thing: we are now very vulnerable in the sense that,

you know, it is important for us not to spoil the relationship with these candidates, we will work with whoever wins, and it is very important for us to delicately bypass some issues, appreciating and supporting bipartisanship. this is an extremely important issue, we have a lot of friends both in the american congress and in the white house, and it is important that this remains, that this support remains, on this, on this we must work and have a dialogue with both candidates, but not give preference and do not support any of them. thank you, mr. oleksandr, ms.... what do you say about the rumors that are happening there now, this discussion, have you followed the discussion between trump and harris regarding ukraine? well, you

know, these elections are so intense in america, and they are being watched, i suspect that it is not only ukraine, well, it goes without saying, it is important for us that the elections are over, and the candidate who wins said the key thing is to continue supporting ukraine. this support will be quite fast, it will not stop, it will be financial, it will also be armed, but who will really win today in the united states, we do not know, it will be decided by the american people, even those representatives of ukrainians, the ukrainian diaspora, who today lives in the states, she is also divided in her own views, and there are some ukrainians who sympathize with the democrats, there are also those who sympathize and... so we will see that it is very important that ukraine is really at the center of this discussion, which means

that we are further... on the agenda of the world, the largest countries, our war, and therefore it is very important that, indeed, our international partners and we, together with you, by giving us effective and fast weapons, help us to reach various plans, including peace plans, which we will to discuss, because it's very key, so i hope that you and i will actually be here we will do our work wisely, with patience, but what is very important today is the information campaign. russia is muffled by the fact that they already massively finance propaganda against ukraine today, whitewash themselves, and we do not give such a sharp answer, unfortunately, the time of our program is coming to an end, sorry, i have to interrupt my dear guests, rostislav pavlenko, oleksandr mareshko and oksana savchuk were guests

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