means and then brought them to the kharkiv direction, the sumy direction, applied them and so on, so that further actions, if possible earlier in a timely manner, well, i was talking about this from the beginning of their offensive actions in two weeks, that it is necessary to switch to my look at the defense, let them be called mobile by our side at first, but it was clear that the potential is growing... of the enemy grouping, and our resources are not in the best way, and such a situation requires that we have to move to the defense, perhaps on the beginning of mobile, in general, there are a lot of defenses in why, well, classic, the fact that they russians built there along the road to rylsk, lgov, kurchata, to kursk, we saw what fortifications they built there and so on, for us, if we... strive to maintain this

buffer zone, and this is expedient from a military point of view, as i said, but also from a military-diplomatic point of view, because it is an asset that can be used if it is obtained before these negotiations that we talked about with you, so the position in that , that if we start enthusiastically, and then the second stage, which... further, further rational on mine view, in this way, but the question is, do we have enough forces, means to implement this second stage, because an unsuccessful second can cancel the first, the achievement of the goal of the first, let's hope that they will listen to expert opinions, those people , who are now making pre-transition decisions for the country. thank you very much, mr.

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however, there is a lot of unofficial politics, and political life has not disappeared anywhere in the country, and ours too it's really up to you to figure out what 's going on, ihor yeterovych, with us is the head of the political and legal programs of the ukrainian center for social development, mr. ihor, we congratulate you, i congratulate you, but let's go here, here 's some hot news: maryana bezugla suddenly wanted to transfer to the committee on foreign policy issues and engage in inter-parliamentary relations. there is already her statement by stefanchuk, and i understand that this is some kind of tip of some iceberg that remains? it's under the hood, so to speak, such a multi-stepper, yes, as, as some people love it, some people say in power, look, in fact, this is such an interesting story, to save private bezula, on the one hand, well, apparently her posts there have really reached a certain limit, and

the reason may be, by the way, the fact that she posted there, for example , the audio of a meeting of one of the committees at which she was actually present, where isyrskyi and others of ours spoke there. commander and well, this was clearly already such a story that could not be left without certain consequences, this is one time, secondly, well, a significant part of the tasks that were before her set, she actually fulfilled it at work in this committee, so it is now possible, taking into account the public resonance there, for example, to remove her from the attack and transfer her somewhere else. thirdly, the third moment, this, you see, is very important, nothing much may change, why, because... being a people's deputy, it doesn't matter which committee, she can still have the opportunity to go, for example, somewhere in the military part, which she has been doing regularly enough and can make the same posts as her did until today, of course she will have a little less information, at least officially, or maybe there won't be, because we

understand that a person is not very independent, and a person, she performed certain functions that were assigned to her, well then , who was above her and accordingly gave her these or others, let's say. yes, the task, well, and one more point, i know, i don’t strongly believe in the conspiracy theory there, but its inter-parliamentary cooperation, the committee on foreign affairs and so on, probably to some of our diplomats you have to tighten up, especially the diplomat who, for example, is in london, because knowing her love for the former commander-in-chief, they might try to use her in this way now, so you don't know, it's not an ordinary story, it's such a move, the consequences . which we 're definitely going to see because they created that persona, and now accordingly that persona is just probably going to be used a little bit differently. with all due respect to ms. maryana, she considers herself to be an independent politician, and she writes everything she thinks as necessary, but by a strange coincidence it

then ends with certain things that are clearly beneficial to someone who has much more power than an ordinary people's deputy. okay, all of ours are now political... hybrid constructions in our system, what role did maryana bezugly play until now? but look, she had a very important role in fact, it cannot be underestimated, she voiced certain theses. against certain people whom, for example, they wanted to change there in the future, or they posed a threat from the point of view, let's say personal rating, trust rating, personal rating and so on, she acted as a kind of battering ram, because she created informational reasons, she basically drew attention there, well, as she considered to some problems, although, as we saw, a significant part, a significant part of these problems are simply artificially created problems, it is a manipulation of facts. those, these are some completely groundless accusations, and this is even playing along sometimes, well, in fact, russian

propaganda, because the russians very actively, let's say, quoted it, commented on it and so on further, that is, this is the role of such an information torpedo, which should mean to do everything, distract, focus attention somewhere, and then give an opportunity, when certain decisions are made, to have an already prepared field, because listen, well, there are people, citizens of ukraine, who really believed what she wrote there and... took absolutely everything on faith and did not thank her there for such an important work that she did, so in this context this is an important story, and i do not think that such tools, well, they are more precisely very easy will get rid of them, this is really just a transfer to some other place, well, to some other area, and she will now deal with some other things, but if, for example, there is a need to intensify criticism of the military and make them guilty and... extreme for everything that happens, actually there, or on the battlefield, or even in the country, well, they

will be able to use it, even being in a different position, and it is not necessary to be in a specialized committee for this, here the opposite can be said , you know, right away there is a ready-made story, that the military continues to write to me, and accordingly i simply voice their position, well, an absolutely win-win situation, which is very difficult to find fault with, i will continue this opinion as well, i already said today about... about the publication on politics, just before talking to you, there were two posts this week that really confused me, and the authors of both posts are the same person, that's jamie detmer, that's the editor of the column, that is, the opinion on politics, someone can say, and this is a politician they are there, it is not known what is there and so on and the like, this is usually said by people who take seriously, i don't know, the national telethon and the rada tv channel, but less so. that is, jamie detmer, yes, to say two words about the person, this is a very experienced journalist, you can say, a cool

journalist, if you want, he worked for cnn, for msnbc, for france 24, for the bbc, by the way, he has, has awards the bbc, for some of its series of reports and so on, that is, it is, it is a very, very powerful journalist who is now the editor of politics, so he wrote two publications this week, one about the fact that zelenskyi is probably directly behind the offensive in the kurt region, or at least there, i don’t know, zelenskyi’s entourage, that is, it was a purely political decision, that is zaluzhnyi seemed to be against it and believed that it would have disastrous consequences, that the dismissal of the head of kombrig of the 80s was connected precisely with the fact that he believed that in fact, that in reality the 80s would not pull this offensive and would have great losses, we by the way, we don't know which ones losses are now borne by 80ka. what losses in kursk region. and the second article was

also about mr. detmar, our personnel reshuffles in the cabinet, where he writes that western leaders are still holding back from criticizing zelensky because they don’t want to feed the mill of russian propaganda, but, for example, in the case skudrytsky already, they already, their cup is overflowing, they are irritated. and well , it’s just some very, how to characterize these twins, it can really be the case that we have a political leadership, well no having no competences for this, is really placing the chips on the war map now, so look, and this is news for someone at all, it seems that we had this problem in the 23rd year, and it was actually connected with our counteroffensive, when the military leadership saw it in a completely different way. and the political leadership, through advisers and various commentators there, pushed the military,

remember, it wasn't the military who said that we would drink coffee with you in yalta, that's right, it wasn't the military who said, budanov had his own story, it there was ipso, this is different, yes, this the representatives of the political bloc said, 2-3 months of crimea, four-three, five months of crimea, and many other things, and in this way they actually put the military in a situation where they had to start it. because they created a corresponding record in society, and the military, well, they say, were against it, then famous articles by zaluzhnyi appeared, where he described in great detail and clearly, what, what should be, how should be and so on, this is very ... i didn't like it in the office, because there was also talk about internal affairs political unity, and about the fact that all these issues should be coordinated, and it ended with what it ended with, and it's good that the brave man went at least to london, so there is no new information here, and i think that the kurdish operation could have been well the story itself, it's good that it went this way, no one rejects it, but what but it doesn't have

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