as in principle, like the technique of our enemy, such as oran, as you know, oruvan can connect to orovan, which connects to orovan, which connects to rovani, accordingly we will be able to expand the communication of this vehicle according to requirements of the customer, currently it is 15 km, because in principle this is the optimal optimal distance for the tactics of using this vehicle, and now there is one copy that you showed at the exhibition, now... i understand, it is the same as varta 2 is being prepared for testing, and these time indicators are several months, i also think that it is also relevant for the protector to put it on the supply of the armed forces as soon as possible? yes, of course, but for unmanned systems, this procedure can be even several times shorter, but first, this is basically our company's first experience in deploying unmanned systems, but from the experience of... the company, i

think that there there will be a deadline almost sooner for the deployment of weapons, and i will ask a little about sau bohdan, because just a couple of days ago there were such messages from our danish partners, where nato countries are investing in ensuring that these weapons are ordered at the expense of our partners, but delivered to the armed forces, and there it was said that the volume of production had increased significantly. of this bohdan saw, what depends on your company in the process of manufacturing this promising serial self-propelled saw? yes, well, first of all, we are preparing the platform itself for this product, as you said, accordingly, for our company, it is necessary to expand production volumes specifically for the preparation of the platform, for the manufacture of an armored capsule, preparation chassis, and a lot. to other nuances, and are there

any problems now with the purchase of foreign components for certain serial or promising machines that you manufacture, armor, engines, there, the chassis, is everything going according to plan, or are there still certain restrictions in view of the increased demand from our side? well, you know, at the time of the full-scale invasion, our company was also faced with... constantly with some political problems, with other problems, at the moment these, at first, the full-scale processing of problems even decreased, because many companies, many countries began to intensively support us, accordingly, obtaining export export permits for sending their goods from their country to our country, it was even in this case everything became easier, currently our companies.

there are always some problems with the supply of spare parts from some countries, but in principle these are more bureaucratic issues and they are solved simply with the help of time management planning and i would like to ask about such a component of your activity as a significant appearance or availability competitors of foreign cars in yours? class in class there rab or combat armored wheeled vehicles there, in particular there a canadian company actively represents, supplies such equipment for the armed forces, how do you look at this process, because it is believed that several ukrainian companies, your company there, and the company practice, well, theoretically they can satisfy the demand of the armed forces in armored vehicles, or are foreign participants in this market just as necessary? and firstly

, the advantages of ukrainian companies for the supply of their weapons to the ukrainian market - this is the primary service of these cars, that is, the manufacturing company can implement the service of these cars, supply spare parts, monitor operation, very fast exchange of experience is combat, accordingly, each batch of our products, we can say, it is finished according to the customer's requirements, that is, the requirements from... the experience of the customer and this direct communication between service, between production, between purchases, between the management team and the end consumer, respectively, currently ukrainian technology, it is more advanced in in many aspects, precisely because we are directly in contact with end consumers, we see how the war trend is going, we are more adaptable, we are more motivated, and accordingly there are a lot of advantages among ukrainian manufacturers. as

experience has shown regarding repair service for cars of foreign production, there are a lot of nuances, a lot of problems with obtaining export permits to ukraine, that is. it's not even a problem, it's just time, respectively, after, it's all bureaucratic moments that require a lot of time to solve them, accordingly there are such pauses, which are currently for the time of our war, they are not allowed, accordingly , ukrainian manufacturers can react faster, repair quickly and, accordingly, they are even cheaper, mr. mykola, thank you very much for including these explanations, for what your company is doing to strengthen the defense capability of our... defense, i will remind our viewers that it was mykola kuzma, deputy general director of the ukrainian armored vehicle company for development. the company itself, as we can see, now is developing new types of weapons and equipment, which, after testing in the near future, i hope will strengthen our

defense forces, these are combat vehicles and robotic protector-type platforms, and other developments, in particular, we remember sava bohdan, whose reservation depends on from ukrainian armored vehicles. other developments, which, i think, are extremely necessary for our defense forces in significant numbers. these were the main military results of this day, then vasyl zema will continue the broadcast, so stay tuned to the espresso channel. thank you, serhii zgrutsu, thank you to his guest, we are continuing the big ether and before we start the conversation with the guest, i mentioned today, by the way, that our conversation will be about raising taxes, as they say. we put everything on the shelves, but now let's continue to donate to the needs of the armed forces of ukraine, so the spresso tv channel and the vesna charitable fund continue to collect funds for the purchase of modern drones and electronic warfare systems for the third separate storm brigade, as well as for the 110th and 47th mechanized

brigades of the armed forces of ukraine. defenders on the donetsk direction is held back by enemy attacks every day, they defend our freedom and future, it was these soldiers who stood to the last and defended the avdiiv direction in the spring. you can see all the details on your screens, we have already collected more than uah 1,800, our goal is uah 3.5 million. and we move on to the conversation, nina yuzhannina is with us in the studio, a people's deputy of ukraine, a member of the committee of the verkhovna rada of ukraine on finance, tax and customs policy. i congratulate you. good evening. well, the verkhovna rada passed it in the first reading bill on increasing taxes. how do you rate the text itself? of this bill, and, let's face it, was it worth waiting a little, or was it worth doing earlier, i assess as chaos, uncertainty, and therefore

completely unconstructive proposals that were voted in the first reading, why the chaos, because still on july 18 a draft law on changes to... the budget for 2024 was registered , a government draft that already took into account additional tax revenues from raising taxes, that is, everyone started talking then about the fact that we have a budget deficit in order to cover the expenses of the fourth quarter, even starting from september, somewhere around 500 billion, yes 495.3, to be more precise, and everyone for some reason decided that this is... exclusively necessary for such an amount to receive additional income for the account of raising taxes, when they saw the project, we actually had a lot of other, if operations, including taking into account savings, unspent funds under various programs, plus the issue,

the additional issue of domestic government loan bonds, and a certain part remained according to the government's calculations , about 135 billion for tax increases, but those. proposals, which they also registered in the verkhovna rada, they caused mass, discussion, expert evaluations, and if possible, they can be divided into several blocks, this is the block that related to the military levy, raising the military levy rate from 1.5% to 5, uh, applying it to other categories, and plus the military levy for some activities, and then the finance minister and the officials talked about the fact that we will ... take taxes right there, where if non-necessary goods are purchased, that is, somewhere like luxury goods, where people can live without all this, that is why taxes will be increased, there even 15-30, all that, but immediately

after the publicity, this initiative gained such opposition to it, everyone started holding conferences, round tables, no no. no, you can't touch us, and it turned out that all luxuries should not be touched, so that all industries have agreed, but there is no real care for people. to whom, because i am against talking absurdly, that there is no need to take additional taxes from the people, no, if we have other sources, let's use them first, then prepare the people for this action, if absolutely necessary, but cover ourselves with slogans that it's all for war, that we need to finance our armed forces , that it's for boys, and it's not possible, i think, and this is just a very delicate topic, when you ask people: "are you ready to pay a higher rate of military tax? everyone thinks: oh my god, it's for the army, of course , i am ready

to give the last of myself in order to support the army that's why i'm against such clichés and slogans and hiding behind such a screen, it's just that you influence people's psyche, process people so that they simply believe that there is no other option. i was just watching yesterday, well, is it one of the tv channels, or is it just a blogger on the street, on the streets of kyiv people were asked whether or not they were against paying more taxes to support the army, everyone was in favor, but , but the key, key thesis that sounded from the lips of every second kyivan, or this were guests of the capital, but we are not convinced that all this money will go where it needs to go, that is, to the needs of the armed forces of ukraine, i will simply say that these are the military tax authorities, well, not only the military, but also the state emergency service, the police , which were taken from the communities and transferred to the central budget, there, in my opinion, more than a third went to cover budget gaps, well, that is... and not only that, this fact was recognized by the authorities, that from

the military personal income tax confiscated from local communities, according to first, the efficiency of use was very low, somewhere between this year, only 67% used it, and you know how many scandals surround the unmanned aerial vehicles they purchased, poor quality, too expensive, the price exceeded, kickbacks and so on, some still explode when they. i simply do not understand why the government does not hear this, why it deceives, and you, you said correctly, people say, well , of course, and i also heard, well, if the state does not have money, then probably we have to go down in order to ensure troops, playing on people's feelings like that, i think that it's a whole technology, and therefore, when for example, i spoke in the hall, i addressed all the people's deputies openly, absolutely truthfully, looking them in the eyes, that if you now... press the green button, then you are not people's elected representatives, because the people no longer have representatives except you .

let's think, i'm ready now, we 'll calculate all the proposals in a day and submit another text of the draft law, and there are 241 deputies who support this initiative, which was passed in the first reading. what changes do you think, well, what would you, the members of your faction, your like-minded people do were ready to... introduce this bill to the second reading and what changes in your opinion can actually be passed, that is, i understand that there may be many ideas and proposals, but we understand very well that, well, your faction, let's say, is not faction of the majority, so it is clear that, well, which are really good issues to hide, and which can simply be proposed and said, i proposed three three blocks, with regard to two blocks, this is an increase in tax rates on the gambling business, as on income... my company , and on the winnings, and the second is the tobacco industry, it is a rise excise tax on tobacco products

delivery, which we already had and undertook to precisely establish in ukraine from january 1, but regarding these two blocs there are great defenders among the people's deputies, and the chairman of the committee is still the same, he does not see such an urgent need, with it's easier for people, do you know why? because we all have to pay for security, we have to pay. for security, by paying taxes, we don't pay for security, an enterprise that works during war, it doesn't have to pay for security, well, it turns out that it is, look, so we can actually to consider at least a few blocks, because now in rent payments, rent payments were made, changes were made, when the market situation was, if anything, too tough for us, when €100 was worth a thousand. cubic meters of gas, now the price is 350, and so it turns out that we now have gas production, for example,

the state-owned ukrgazvydobuvannya does not pay excise tax at all. this issue was raised by the ministry of finance, the tax department itself, we calculated together, i submitted these proposals, for the fourth quarter, if you simply cite the norms, well, in which made a mistake and those who support it, because it 's all of us together, uah 8 billion for the fourth quarter of 22. for the 25th year, if we speak, take, for example, only the excise tax, and set rates, the lowest, 5 billion, this year. 21 billion is the next, and of course, if we are talking about yegorny business, which pays 18% from a share of income, because we do not control their income at all, we have been 3 years, this business is illegal, because it is legal, when was it allowed conducting this business in ukraine, it is written there that no later than there must

to start an online monitoring system for taking into account all incomes, it did not work. has not been working for three years after that period, well , it turns out that if you read the laws directly, then the business should not exist, that's why they allow themselves, remember, these are all the runs that were made due to changing the codes in payments, what about itsk said, there was up to uah 200 billion, whether it was their income, or whether they used themselves, allowed themselves to be used for some other scams later, but we. based on what they are paying now if you do the math ie they are official, that means they show this amount of income, somehow, if the official calculates 18% of this amount of income and converts it to 50, then in the fourth quarter, in addition , 19.5 billion from the gambling business, and in the 25th year 34 billion, let's assume that someone doesn't want something, or

let's not take 50%, but give them 30, well, definitely not 18. well, it can't be because the figure was announced yesterday, i just won't say it now, it's about tens of billions of hryvnias. the amount that was spent by ukrainians, but the main thing is that you remember when this was the scandal with the fact that many soldiers are gambling here and there with huge sums, from which i understand that nothing particularly payable is absolutely true, there they called 84 billion, i am simply surprised that in our country the deputies in the hall are so indifferent to this . i, you know what is clear, yesterday, the day before yesterday, today i go a lot on the airs and i very often meet servants on the airs, they did not even know that there were alternative proposals, that they can be calculated and that they can give sources, they have some kind of something is happening very strange the atmosphere in the faction, and no one explains to them,

in fact, it is not so easy to understand, because there are a lot of numbers, a lot of different information on the surface, everything... well, no one lets you in, because even if the budget is compared to the budget, but open a deputy can read the draft law, if he wanted to, in principle he can, but he sees no alternative, they all say that there is no alternative, we all have to pay taxes, only you get a little more than an ordinary doctor or an ordinary teacher , this is what upsets me the most, teacher will pay more than his salary, the average teacher's salary is 12 00, although there are teachers who work there part-time, young teachers after an educational institution, they don't even get the minimum wage, it's me, we 'll move on now, there are also questions about the national bank, because of course , here it is necessary to explain to the citizens, again, whether it is good or bad, that there 50% must pay, the profit of the banks must pay, but i will ask just

for understanding, here is a teacher, a doctor, i don’t know, a manager sitting there now , employee at... of a private business, an employee of state structures, well, like a school, it is not a private business, if it is not a private school, and he looks there, then the military levy will increase, there this, that will increase, then something else will increase, and he will think whether i will receive less, or i will later invest more in the price of the product, or do i have a specific problem, or simply, if it is a small medium business, then simply my company can close because it cannot withstand this pressure and will say, you know what we will either go into the shadows or simply not work, because... this is the situation, that is , what can ukrainians with standard incomes in ukraine expect from tax increases, again, now it is not a matter of not doing it, no, it is necessary for the military , but we just have to understand what people should expect, what are the risks and what are the limitations, how to plan your budget, this is really, this is very important, mr.

vasyl, we should also not tolerate that it is necessary to increase the military levy for ... for the income of individuals, for citizens who pay taxes in white, we cannot tolerate it, if there are other sources, and they were not considered, then we categorically, as i object, which means, you have now laid out everything correctly, firstly, from each salary will be received additionally, a military levy in the amount of 3.5%, i.e. the total amount of maintenance will be 5%. it means that a person will receive less net salary in his hands, especially this will apply to state employees, who will definitely give this money to the general pot, by the way, not in the special case. general fund, not specifically for of the military, to the general fund of the state budget, to the community. now, what will happen to

individuals, entrepreneurs of the first, second, and fourth groups, they have never paid military duty, these are additional funds that they have to pay monthly, uah 800 from each for themselves, which means that from january 1, 2025 , if the budget is adopted in this form, they will also be reimbursed the payment of the euv, that is, you understand that the contribution, someone simply does not know, so that not all registered entrepreneurs are currently working, you understand what the situation in the country, half of them are not even in the country now, they will pay absolutely somewhere up to 200 monthly payments, which they did not pay before, i am generally a little worried about this factor, why, because our entrepreneurs are still the most active. people who know how to organize processes and work the most as this anthill, which delivers everything necessary for military units, so their capabilities will decrease, and this

is the most critical now, because now they have started to pay attention to it, because you you understand that at such a time not many people understand, as you rightly said, the military levy, well, someone heard that it is a military levy, what it is reflected in and what rate it is now. pays, no one even knows what they ask when applying for a job, and what taxes you receive from me, yes, no, so it will be noticeable for a small micro-business. the third group, there is a turnover tax for both individuals and legal entities, they already pay 5%, there will be another one, it will be 6%. this is also a completely incomprehensible process. in addition, advance payments at retail points. fuel, maybe someone will say that it is correct, because now there are a lot of companies that pay too little income tax, and there are

companies that actually pay not only income tax, but also all payments in white, they are very transparent , and it was a company, for example, on the committee, 100% foreign investment there, maybe i can't name it, but its representative is from england. involved and asked that you can not do this, because we will not get as much profit on our trading points, well, at retail chains at gas stations, i was very surprised when they explained to him there that they sell fuel, it means, no, it's that simple, people still have to understand what you are, well, the price of fuel is simple to the point that any delivery of fuel is a delivery of products, well, you are in the store to pick up more, because it is still mostly transported, well, that's right, we're still on that... we're going, in the end, how much will decrease purchasing power of each family? i calculated taking into account the rise excise taxes on fuel, how it will affect in

the future, regarding energy security and replacement by generators of electricity in winter and autumn, when we need it, every family will lose somewhere 15-20% of their capacity for such a su, they will be able to buy less for that amount, can you imagine? what is it, well, that is, with the fact that all the standards remain for next year in the same framework as now, i mean the minimum wage of 800, all the minimums are based on which benefits, social benefits, salaries for state employees are determined, everything remains as it is this year, but other processes are not stopped, that is, i understand that the authorities are trying, or maybe not trying, you know, after they did not consider alternative proposals, i see that they are looking for the easiest way to hold on, but we must not hold on, well, we already we need

people's understanding if we believe that we should finance the security and defense sector, including through additional payments from the population, i told you, let's not call it a military levy, first we'll create a special fund, and then. .. then we will call is my support there or am i with respect for the military or something, that is, so that we understand that it is absolutely clear, every penny of mine will go to the ministry of defense, by the way, i submitted this amendment, they thought, thought and said, no, then there will be a deficit in the general fund if you take the entire military levy into this special fund, which will go to the ministry of defense. it's just interesting for them to say this to the military, guys, girls, our soldiers, we 're collecting this money for you, we also tell the people that for you, we collect for you, but

we do not know how much will reach you there. we will see what the situation will be, well, as for the military personal income tax department, well, i don’t understand you, there are people’s deputies sitting in hall 401, well, half of them are definitely in military units, and they know very well what the situation is with the most necessary things in military units, regarding drones , regarding refueling, repairs, regarding the purchase of the necessary goods there, and they do not vote for, for example, not 10% to be given to the military from the military personal income tax, but 30%, even give it that way, but by the end of the year, who from our structures, which are empowered to purchase drones at the expense of these funds , will be able to deliver them, no one, let's give this small resource to military units, they will quickly find suppliers and do all this, also against it, well, it doesn't happen, we either have to survive together, or then take full responsibility on yourself, because you 're tired of talking about the fact that you can't

say anything bad, we're all united, and you can act? i'm just saying, here, maybe this deputy would also work, that's it not even a question, it’s just a word about some figures, here is a deputy from the servant of the people, this andriy odarchenko, i suspect him there is sap, which means the specialized anti-corruption prosecutor’s office, he fled abroad, by the way, this is the second, the former recently fled, one more, this is a word of mouth that maybe they would look somewhere and do something, well, you see, other urgent problems are bothering them. deputies, i was still thinking about talking about customs, we just don't have enough time, i'm already thinking, maybe we won't move on, we still have this topic, i think, let's raise it and discuss it separately, because this is also a very big and complex topic, but in terms of taxes, it's important to understand here for literally two minutes, and is there any understanding, so they collected once, collected two, so that the business continued to develop, so that there was simply no then from rolling back, because some businessmen are quite so serious, they simply say that

it can be collected. several times, and then it may not happen, because there will simply be nothing to do, how to keep the balance here, you are absolutely right, it will be a one-time promotion for additional income to the budget, then we will see an increase in the shadow of wages, not someone will not be able to withstand such a load, because people will not be kept in private business, private business will pay people as much as they paid before the increase, and all the additional taxes will pay, because now it is a struggle for every person and to tell a person that... tomorrow you will receive 500 hryvnias less or 1000 hryvnias? of course not. therefore, everyone who appreciates now simply for the entire struggle for each working person will pay at the expense of the company, and this means that less taxes will be paid in the future, or they will partially switch to the second form of labor payment, that's what we 'll get to. and here, at the end, there is also an important question, after all, whether there was a motivation for the deputies who voted, and the thesis that

it was you. there is no such requirement, we have already reread all the statements published on the website of the international monetary fund 10 times, there is no such thing, they need a balanced budget, the adopted changes, and even see if they will now accept amendments from this project to increase the income tax rate for banks, they will not be against, on the contrary, they are in favor, and if, as pyshnyi said, they will replace it with other proposals, which is an increase in ovdp bonds that can be sold, most likely this option will also be accepted, so in general this situation does not depend on the decision , which we can accept, we have a choice, just make the right choice, that's it, well, and just for the last thing, there is also time, as far as i understand, in october they have to consider, well, look, 14 days to submit amendments, because the schedule is such that somewhere in the first decade there will be a vote, but there will be

rates from the first apply. with whom the business has anything to do, well, we have a european business association, we have various business associations, there are representatives of big business, for example, yesterday i read one of the co-founders of the monobank, who also wrote about this to mr. horukhovskyi, and many serious businessmen, really influential businessmen are saying that there are certain questions, who to talk to so that these questions are heard, i'm not even talking now about mps who have a different opinion, business that pays, because if business won't pay, then well in in principle there is nothing to talk about, they know that five or six managers make all decisions here. they also went to them a little, they know how to communicate with them, but in general , business can still at least go to certain associations, associations can also turn to the head of the committee, and the people to whom to turn, that is who they will be protected by, that is, it turns out like this, that now it is possible that the society will run somewhere in different circles to look for support, but i still think that we will still work together until the second reading, i hope...