terevi and victory in this confrontation. thank you for being with us, i will say goodbye to you tomorrow by 18:10. let me remind you that literally in a few moments the verdicta program will be available. serhii rudenko will be waiting for you. be with espresso. take care, goodbye. good evening, we are from ukraine.

today in the verdict program with serhii rudenko. almost 200 hits per day. the enemy is terrorizing the sumy region with regular shelling of civilian infrastructure against the background of the kurdish operation of the armed forces. how much will the destruction of warehouses with ammunition hinder the occupiers toropets city. it might work. the united

states has already familiarized itself with the main provisions of ukraine's victory plan. what steps by the allies will give kyiv the opportunity to enter into negotiations with moscow from a position of strength? the breakdown of decolonization. the parliamentary majority failed the resolution on renaming 33 settlements with russian and soviet names. why in the parliament? deputies of the moscow patriarchate still dominate. glory to ukraine. this is the verdict program. my name is serhiy rudenko. i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health. over the next two we talk for hours about ukraine, about the world, about the war and about our victory. however, before starting our two-hour conversation, i suggest you watch a video of... how

a large warehouse with ammunition burns and detonates in the toropetsk district of the tver region of the russian federation this night after an attack by ukrainian drones. local authorities said the fire started after debris from a downed drone fell, although ukrainian intelligence sources say about 100 drones were attacking the ammunition depot there. let's watch this video. oh look look, look, look, it's coming here, wow, now. have you seen this wave?

oh, our house is standing, that's all, oleg is fine, the house is standing, i can see him over there. glory to the defense forces of ukraine and death to the russian occupiers. friends, throughout our broadcast we are conducting a survey, today we are asking you about whether you expect biden to approve zelensky's victory plan. you know that next week the president of ukraine is going to washington, where he will present the victory plan. so, there are two options. you hope for such approval or no? yes, no. if you vote on tv, watch the tv broadcasts. take your smartphone

or phone and call the numbers yes 0800 211 381 no 0800 211 382 all calls to these numbers are free vote: at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote, i want to introduce today's first guest, this is mykola knyazhytskyi, people's deputy of ukraine , chairman of the verkhovna rada subcommittee on cultural policy, mr. mykola, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today, congratulations, thank you for the invitation, as we are asking our viewers about whether they hope for biden's approval of zelenskyi's victory plan, i will also ask you what you think about it, first of all, i do not know what zelenskyi's victory plan is, i only know the name, i hope that it is somehow effective. plan, i would like to believe it, but i assume that it may be an element of some pir-strategy and many other things, er, because of that, i don't even know if zelensky will approve it, because i don't know if he approved would him, i kind of knew about him, but i shouldn't know about him, yes, secondly, after all, our the victory plan is our victory plan,

the main thing is that it be approved by our political and military leadership, not only zelenskyi, but the general staff, the government, well, at least those law enforcement agencies that are responsible for this, if they have them... and they are a comprehensive strategy has been worked out, if they support it, then we just have to convince our allies to help us, because they want to help us anyway, they need to show the effectiveness of our struggle, and if this is a really effective plan, it will show such effectiveness, then i i only congratulate and hope that approval, if it really exists and everything is as you say, and the fact that no one has seen this plan, except for zelensky himself, well , probably five or six managers, maybe even less, what about... what this indicates, that is, whether the verkhovna rada of ukraine, the government, experts, specialists should be involved, since, as you correctly said, this is our plan, the plan of the ukrainians and the plan for the victory of ukraine. well, in a normal society, yes, but we see,

for example, that today, the parliamentary majority failed to vote for decolonization, decommunization, and these are the people which are the basis of the ukrainian government, if these people defend all their first. travenskyi and pervomaiskyi, so what is victory for them, well , probably something different than for you and me, maybe it’s good, if zelenskyi didn’t show it to them, who evolved, i hope, with the war, became the leader of a country that is at war, maybe they don't need to show it, although in a democratic, patriotic society, of course, it would be good to do it at closed meetings of special committees, but now we see that in this committee on issues of defense, at least there will be no more maryana bezuzula, and even if the military will go there, they will... go there, because everything they talked about there immediately appeared on social networks, and if i were a military , or even a political leader from the majority, in my life i did not want to show any plans, but you mentioned this decolonization plan, the bill on decolonization, 303, 333

settlements were to be renamed today, including vatutino, pavlograd and many -many other settlements, 208 votes, it was clear that for they didn't want to vote... opz deputies, part of the people's servants. why do you think that the deputies who are members of the verkhovna rada of ukraine, during the war, do not want to comply with the laws, because there is a law on decolonization, and there are clear rules that regulate that ukraine must get rid of these russian or moscow city names, well indeed, the law is not being implemented, and secondly, it once again showed that among our deputies there are many, so to speak, waiting. they, well, it just so happened that in their head putin and the russians are something else, they are some really good people and the good brothers who will give us money, in fact, these are people who want to destroy us, and they simply do not feel that there is a truly patriotic part of our

population, and it is this patriotic part, they went to the squares all the time, yanykovych didn't understand either, well, it's like he controls everything, there weren't even any protest moods, and then the maidan arises, such things are categorically impossible to do, because conscious ukrainianism in all of ukraine is obviously in favor of getting rid of the old communist masks, and people, who do not vote for it, they do not feel it, they do not feel how it offends people, they do not feel how it offends the military, they are soviet people, but because we have a significant part of this soviet population, which elected them there, we are a democratic country, and ukrainians voted for such people, ukrainians hoped that they would look into putin's eyes with him... they would come to an agreement, he would forgive everything, and that's all poroshenko brought to war, and it turned out that putin equally hates that poroshenko , that zelensky, he doesn't care, because he hates every ukrainian, he wants ukraine to be gone, uh, in their mind, they think that they will be able to like it, it reminds me, uh,

the beginning of the second world war on the territory of ukraine, and then soviet union, and there were jews who went to the central squares of the cities to meet the germans, because they thought that the germans were such a european people, they remembered the germans from the first world war, and did not believe that something had changed there and that it's all different, and all these people... kicked themselves somewhere in concentration camps or were shot, and the same people who do not vote for it, they themselves call the russians here, because by not changing the russian names, they actually confirm putin's theory that we are one people and that ukraine must be destroyed, they show it by not voting, but they are not aware of this, because in their minds we are one people, because it should also be remembered that the russian invaders, when they come to any city or village, they renew from... the names, those that have already been renamed, to including the bridge, it's true, they call it that

our cities are renamed with old soviet names or tsarist names, and they destroy ukrainian literature, destroy ukrainian culture, shoot writers, throw into prison people who have an active pro-ukrainian position, well, that's understandable, but these people who don't vote for it, these are ordinary sovkovs who even during the war kept this sovkovism to themselves, speaker of the parliament ruslan stefan'. reported that at the meeting of the conciliation council it was decided that the leadership of the parliament and the faction would introduce for a new resolution from which five settlements will be removed, the renaming of which is controversial: yuzhne, yuzhnoukrainian, senelnikove, pervomaiskyi, pavlograd, to be honest, stefanchuk is not convincing in this situation, i don't know who he is wants to convince, well, they want to, look, they have a difficult situation, they already have to keep this majority of theirs, so that they vote for this party of theirs, and recruit here... different people, there are both patriotic, valuable people, and others here are pro-russian souks, and these

pro-russian souks will create for them split, because they raise the question of rubagh, they are for the preservation of all soviet values ​​or old russian values, today i argued with one deputy who convinced me for a long time that pavlograd was named after st. paul, although catherine ii named pavlograd after tsar paul, but there is a proposal to rename pavlograd to matvia. the honor of the cossack who founded it there, and i say to her, wait, well, let's name it in honor of matthew, because matthew, the evangelist, yes, is also a respected person, if you say so about pavel, but these are all manipulations, the worst thing they think is that we will not vote, and everything will remain as it is, that is , they do not feel this indignation of the people and the desire of the people to break with the colonial past, with and with the communist past, at first, because there were laws. about decommunization now with the colonial past, they don't have that feeling, they say: if you don't

vote for it, you're blocking the podium, you're blocking money for the military, and there's speculation everywhere, well, let's look at the budget, yes, there there is an increase in payments for the military, this it is obvious, but there is a huge amount, but there is a reduction in payments for education and culture, the closing of a new ukrainian school, because in fact the budget is not allocated for it, there are no funds for shelter for schools, but there are funds for the road, well, why are the military here, the military would so and so were there. they don't have this understanding, they think that you can put everyone around your finger, and people feel very sensitively during the war, and it was necessary to change, well, the manner of behavior of politicians by society, to be honest with this society, to say what is happening in fact, there is a problem, because the problem is that a part of society is like this, and all our telethons, for which money is again laid down in the budget, continue to educate this post-soviet society, and the post-soviet society will be the enemy of zelensky himself. zelensky is generally driving himself into such a quagmire, because on the one hand, i submitted

a law on state control over social networks, including telegram, yes, not even on closing them, on preventing public officials from using them, banks and those , who distributes personal information, because everything it goes to the russians, and they didn't want to do it, because they thought that they could use telegram in their political struggle to win the next election, but dear, there are no elections now, no one is voting, and when there are elections, believe me? you promoted telegram, the russians will have a million resources to destroy you through telegram, because in fact they want to destroy you, they want to destroy zelenskyi, this is an absolutely obvious thing to me, as well as poroshenko, and they, it is zelenskyi can think that poroshenko him an enemy, and for russians both are enemies, and now zelensky is in power, it means that he needs to be destroyed, well, including the verkhovna rada, if it voted or not voted for this renaming, because in principle the entire ukrainian government is putin's enemy, 100% one more who came from poland, the minister of foreign affairs of poland, radyslaw sikorskyi,

called on western european countries to reconsider their approach to helping ukrainian men of conscription age, in order to encourage them to return to their homeland. let's listen to what sikorsky said. stop providing assistance to ukrainians subject to mobilization. there should be no financial incentives for those who are hiding from mobilization in ukraine. this does not apply to the rights of a person to receive money for evading the draft to defend his homeland. we in poland do not do this, and if we did, we would have a serious problem. mr. mykola, the discussion in poland is about the men of conscription age who are there, whether to pay them, not to pay them, to form a battalion from them, in poland it is the easiest to discuss, the minister of affairs himself said that we don't do that in poland, all these men work there and don't get help, and those who want to get help go to

germany or some other countries, help is given, generally 70% there. ukrainians work in poland, and 70% are also women and children, there are not so many men there, and those who were there very often are people who were there a long time ago, not those who came now, well, of course there are various scoundrels , who are said to have crossed the river, but this is definitely a very large minority, but he calls on other western european countries to be more take a hard approach to this, whether in the current situation the european union, the countries of the european union can go to... limit the rights of people who are there in the status of refugees, and is it possible at all, no , it is impossible, well, first of all, we do not normal military records were established, because of that the people who are there, how do these countries know whether they are subject to mobilization or not, you and i are of conscription age there, yes, but we are not in the army, because each of

us for one reason or another it is not there, and there i don't know, he is there now, yes, and his peer may be sick and may not be there now, and how do they know who should be in the army, who should not be in the army, so i think that people should come back, it is the task of our state, not of european countries, er, it is the task of our state to create normal conditions for these people to return, to build at least housing for them, especially for those whose housing was destroyed, to allocate funds for this, to accommodate them to work, engage in... professional repurposing, to help children, but i have a public organization, i am engaged in this in 11 regions of ukraine, but the state does not actually do this, the state itself pushes these people out, and it is such a difficult situation, because among them there are really many people who are society does not accept the question of who simply escaped and into society, why some should serve and protect the homeland, while others fled across the border, this is on

the one hand, and on the other hand, if a person has already lived there for 20 years, he has a family there, maybe in he has some family circumstances, a sick child, someone else maybe he would like the whole family to move to ukraine, but ukraine does not need them, ukraine does not do this, and that is why i initiated the creation of the ministry of diaspora demography, which would combine all the needs of internally displaced persons, because such people many have lost their homes in ukraine, and if we take care of them, they will not go abroad, if we do not take care, if they will not be able to send their children to school and kindergarten here, because we took personal income tax and did not spend it, and sorry, it's not at all it is clear where it is divided. local taxes that the central government took from local authorities, local authorities are now closing kindergartens and schools because they don't have to pay, and we are cutting costs even more for this, if a family can't give their child a normal education here, then obviously that family will to think about how to leave, and the husband will think about preserving his family, how to be with his wife, and not about the need to protect the homeland, because if the state here takes care of his wife and child, then

obviously he will understand that the state is about he will take care of them, he must go to protect them, go to the front. this is a very, very difficult thing, where everyone has to work on it, both society and every individual who feels a duty, but also the state, you mentioned the ministry of the diaspora, and this one , yes, and demography and work with the diaspora, this idea was before zelenskyy made public his idea of ​​the ministry of return of ukrainians. well, i introduced a bill about it, and after that, i guess somebody told you the president, and the president basically, basically said pretty much the same thing, it's just that my idea is framed in the draft law is broader, because it also includes work with internally displaced persons inside ukraine, because we should not divide, why should we help someone who is abroad and not help someone who moved from donetsk region to lviv or ternopil, we we have to help both, and provide these here first of all, there is the issue of birth rate, there is really the issue

of working with the diaspora, the diaspora is people of ukrainian origin who are citizens of other countries, who grew up and were born there, and... but these are the people we should care about state, because the russians want to destroy ukraine and every ukrainian, and those ukrainians in the diaspora will not have their homeland left, and they should also be involved in the defense of their homeland and receive from our state, or at least dialogue with them. at the very end, interesting sociology from the kyiv international institute of sociology, this institute asked ukrainians whether ukrainians would move to live in the united states of america or any european country if they were granted citizenship. the results are as follows: 79% of respondents said that despite everything, they would stay in ukraine, only 19% would like to go abroad. sociologists note that the percentage of those who would like to... play from ukraine has decreased compared to 2020. among men, 70% of men do not want to leave ukraine and 27% want

to leave. among women, 80% do not plan to leave ukraine, and 18 intend to move. as kmist emphasizes, this demonstrates that men's desire to leave cannot be linked only to mobilization. well, that is, all the warnings of the authorities that they will open the border and everyone will flow, judging from sociology. futile expectations of sociology, yes, it is true, it is true, but even when those 20% flee, it will be a problem for us, but in order for them not to flee, it is necessary not only to physically close the borders, but to build a normal democratic country, from which you do not want to leave nowhere to flee, but to protect ukraine, ukrainians also want to, sociology shows this, so if the mobilization was carried out competently, then we would not have examples when people are sometimes grabbed on the street, as if by some... occupying power, and people would leave, served the way they went in the first days, simply for this we need to have a dialogue with these people, talk about demobilization, how long they are in the army, because we had the post of pavel

kazarin, who made an impression on me, pavel himself is a military man, a well-known journalist, and here he writes, everyone has already stopped talking about demobilization, because it suits everyone, someone is serving there, the main thing is that it is not me, but those who serve, even if they are there all their lives, and this is also a wrong situation, a wrong attitude towards our soldiers and their families. thank you, mr. mykola, it was mykola knyazhytskyi, people's deputy of ukraine, friends, we have a story ahead of us, after the story we will return to the studio, we will have two more guests, so we will watch a story about rescuers, about those who save people during this great war, one of them is vladyslav hnatenko from poltava , he says, the profession found him, and he did not find her, what is the most difficult thing for him in work, the man shared with our correspondent anna morozova. let's see, he's getting dressed, and that's where he went, vladyslav hnetenko has been working as a rescuer

in the poltava part of the state emergency service for more than 10 years, he says, in i never dreamed of such a job as a child, but after serving in the army i decided to devote myself to saving people, apparently this profession found me, and not me, this job, in which there are no holidays, birthdays of friends, everything falls out. you go out every day, well, besides the fact that there are reserves, accidents, meetings, well, that is, your schedule is irregular. first of all, physical endurance and preparation are important for a rescuer, because a complete set of equipment weighs tens of kilograms. paper clips are such, quite, quite a heavy thing, that is, if there is no health, you will not work with it for a long time. also for work... in an environment unsuitable for breathing, there are such devices, also weighing 15 kg, a mask and you can breathe for an hour.

working in a team with experienced colleagues is important for a young rescuer, vladyslav adds. on the first outings, the elders provided moral support and covered physically. the main thing, it will always be later, is experience. this, of course, is the ability to accept. quick decisions in critical conditions, courage, physical endurance there, because it is there, well, the event can be there from three minutes there, then yes, the last one was a day, you change everything already for events, in the absence of calls, the work schedule in the state emergency service is filled with classes and training, says vladyslav hnatenko. there is a combat deployment, how many arms are there, installation. a car to a reservoir, extinguishing a fire, conditional, there is an electric car, for example, there is the one who conducts classes, he also gives water there, there you perform all this

as part of the unit, and in the last two years , even more fell on the shoulders of the rescuers work, in addition to fires, accidents or cataclysms, employees of the state emergency service eliminate the consequences of russian shelling, evacuate civilians and conduct search and rescue operations, and it is precisely such trips for vladyslav that have become... the most difficult, we used to encounter this, well, very rarely , and on such and such a scale, when hundreds of tons are exported there per day, and there, well, almost half of it is sorted by hand, and it is probably physically more difficult, during the two years of the full-scale invasion, the rescuers of ukraine eliminated more than 17 thousands of fires that arose in... as a result of enemy shelling, more than 1,300 lives were saved from the rubble. during this time, two employees of the state emergency service were awarded the title of hero of ukraine. anna

morozova, bohdan proskurov from poltava for... friends, i remind you that we work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are currently watching us live on these platforms, i encourage you to subscribe to our pages and also take part in our poll, today we ask you this: do you expect biden's approval of the plan zelensky's victory? yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, if you have a separate opinion, please write it in the comments under this video. if you watch us. on tv , pick up your smartphone or phone and vote on the numbers 0800 211 381 yes no 0800 211 382 no, all calls to these numbers are free, vote at the end of the program, we will sum up the results of this vote. next, we are in touch with mykola malmush, ex-head of the foreign intelligence service of ukraine, general of the army of ukraine, adviser to the president of ukraine. mr. general, i welcome you, thank you for being

with us today. congratulations, glory of ukraine. glory to the heroes, well, we wanted to start with the situation in ukraine, but still, let's briefly talk about what is happening in the middle east now, because international agencies are writing about the fact that as part of the second wave of the special service operation, israel blew up thousands of radios, used by hezbollah fighters in lebanon, and all the agencies, all the international ones, are reporting this today. publications write that, in addition to pagers, different ones began to explode devices, and this is such a device attack, a powerful device attack, israel has already blown up thousands of walkie- talkies, and what this means, this means that the world is changing, and the methods of combating terrorists and people who are trying to commit terrorist attacks are also improving , what can you

say about it? well, first of all, israel is working on a large-scale operation to neutralize terrorist organizations and activists, and here we are dealing with the fact that the pagers and those radio stations are used by representatives of various extremist, terrorist, radical organizations as a rule, ordinary citizens use normal telephones and other means of communication, but it is just representatives of such organizations. who commit terrorist acts, and for this it is necessary to hide the possibility of preparation, communication, respectively, the transmission of signals that are recorded by the special services of israel and nato countries, by various means, then it is clear that they are returning to old methods, these are pagers that do not have a system of such interception and radio stations that have holy capabilities, so to speak, but

yes, it really complicated the situation of the activities of the israeli special services, that is why a number of attacks, and especially we remember that the first attacks were not mass attacks, which were carried out by representatives of hamas, hezbollah, but these were really unexpected for israel, because they did not intercept just the preparatory periods, and especially the launches, the massive strikes and attacks that swept through israel, that is why israel came out of a new concept, just that model, which is very vulnerable, which is communication systems. which is used to prepare terrorist attacks and organizational activities of extremists organizations, of course, the means that can, so to speak, neutralize them personally, do not go there, i emphasize once again, because they can speak, and these are ordinary citizens, as a rule, the concept was adopted among various extreme organizations, we move on to the means of ties, which are not taken by the special services of israel and

other allied countries, therefore... at the moment pagers and radio stations served as a means of destroying precisely the leaders and activists of these organizations, but the operation to order them was very successfully carried out, that is, it worked agency, which was guided by the fact that there will be such a transition of representatives, and i am not saying that, just the lebanese, it is hezbollah, it is from other structures of hamas, it is their allies, the closest, it can even be representatives of iran. therefore, at the moment, it is just such categories that are really fighting against israel, conducting special operations, and the use of such means was also prepared by the israeli special services through various front companies, which produced the same pagers on behalf of taiwanese, for example, companies, that is understandable , have already been handed over for purchase, i am i understand, the agency is controlled by this lebanese group. thank you, mr. general, let's get back to