similar plans, but the parliament was not involved, and next week zelenskyi's team is preparing to present a victory plan to present to the allies, and this was announced by president zelenskyi the day before, let's listen to what zelenskyi said, in different formats of the award for the preparation of our ukrainian victory plan, real content everyone points: military content, political, diplomatic, economic, more than 90% of everything is written out, and in the complex this package can ensure the correct development of the situation not only for of ukraine, but also for everyone in the world who appreciates international law. today, the president of ukraine said that this victory plan is 100% ready, but since... the international press

is writing different things. lemon writes today that there seems to be a clause that provides for biden's statement at the end of his presidential term that ukraine will be in nato, will join nato, that is, the statement should be made at the end of biden's presidential term. mr. serhiy, how do you perceive the fact that only a few people know about ukraine's victory plan? people, is it the necessity of wartime, maybe there is something secret, or maybe it is connected with the fact that the ukrainians, who are actually going to victory and leading ukraine to victory, should not know this, well, you see, we are with you now we are commenting on the victory plan, we have not seen or read it, although mass media abroad, i emphasize abroad, publish entire passages from this victory plan or entire theses. therefore, we are in

a difficult situation, but i will say how i perceive this victory plan, i perceive it as primarily a political document that ukraine is preparing in connection with the fact that in the west, in view of the american elections, they are preparing for such a large geopolitical bargain around ukraine, and they openly say that there may be negotiations about some political nuances of the russian-ukrainian war. or, for example, the presidential candidate trump, and he will do it in the event of his election, openly speaks about it, well, for example, scholz, the chancellor of germany, other german, and politicians, and not only german, and in connection with therefore, ukraine needs to have a political, i repeat, political position regarding these possible, or negotiations, or some, at least discussions regarding the possible, well, i don't want to say a freeze, but at least i would say a strategic pause in russia. ukrainian war, that is,

as a political position, it is obvious that a victory plan is needed, because it shows what ukraine is ready for, what it is not ready for, and what positions are fundamentally important for ukraine. if this is such a victory plan, then it seems to me that we need it, if we expect from the victory plan, some kind of calendar plan, where our victory on the battlefield is clearly written, then of course this is very naive, and this cannot be, if only because you and i do not know, and this is correct, all the... events that are happening at the front, we do not know the distribution forces, we don't know what's happening on the front because a lot of it is a military secret, although, by the way, it's not a military secret to our international partners, so maybe they sometimes know more, but in any case, considering for the fact that the conditions of wartime are now, we cannot expect that here we are literally will tell where the ukrainian troops will attack and how they will go, it seems to me that this will only harm the front, so if we are looking... for such a concrete

victory of the plan that we will read there and understand that when it will happen, then it is naive , but a political document is definitely needed, and when we talk about realistic, what will actually happen, i think that it will be something in the middle, there will be a political vision of ukraine, but there will also be a political vision of the west, and it may differ from the ukrainian vision, although because the western countries, all together, and each of them separately, protect us. their interests first, it's natural, they protect their interests, they care first about their own security, and they help ukraine now because they understand that by helping ukraine, they strengthen their own security, but they will help ukraine only to the extent that it will not harm or threaten their security, so they will surely have some vision of how the russo-ukrainian war should end or continue, and each country it can be its own. vision, well,

for example, in great britain, they are much more radical than, for example, in germany, and when these interests are voiced in their plan, then for sure, the realistic plan will be somewhere in the middle, well of course, one must take into account what russia will do or not do, and it is also obvious that there will still be a very serious vector of influence, this is china, or the global south, it, as we see, is now influencing the situation at the front, if only because it can and buys russian energy carriers, and this gives russia an opportunity to survive is not bad enough, and she can buy for it. weapons, even sometimes it can directly purchase some elements of weapons from china, so of course that some position of china and the global rooster, well at least in the form of some individual countries, will be undermined, so we are now standing on the threshold of, for sure, such significant geopolitical negotiations , trades,

diplomatic games with an outcome that we cannot predict now, but in any case, a ukrainian political position is needed for these negotiations. if so to accept this plan of victory, then, of course, what is necessary, but in this case, if this is a political position, then of course it must be discussed publicly in ukraine, and because it is a ukrainian political position, and of course in the parliament, and then it will be it is more presentable in the international arena to say that this is precisely the position of ukraine, and not only the position of individual politicians or the country's leadership. i think sooner or later it's bound to come to that, i'm convinced that this plan one way or another, at least... the political part will be released in the coming days, we'll have more information then. thank you, mr. serhiy, mr. vitaly, how do you feel about this victory plan, that is, if this plan is based, according to the presidential team, on the fact that the main component is the assistance of the united

states of america, as i understand it, military and political as well. if that help is going to be something else, does that mean it's plan a, but apart from the plan. and there may be a plan b and a plan c, that is why there is no such broad discussion around this plan now, we do not hear you, and if we say that this is the plan of ukraine, then it is answered it should be discussed in society, ukrainian society, it should be a consolidated plan of ukrainian society, it should be when the parliament and... the president and civil society, the armed forces of ukraine speak with one voice, and this is the consolidated position of the country, not a plan zelenskyi’s plan for victory is zelenskyi’s plan, and if it is a political position, yes, first it should be a public discussion in ukraine, and then bringing it to the international

arena and presenting it there as an already consolidated position, at least probably an iteration of such a discussion should take place at least in the regime of records, but as far as i understand that in ukrainian society. no one with any political power, not with the parliament, not with the experts, it was not discussed, and this is once, first of all, from what is available, from those sources, insider information that is available, then one should not have any inflated expectations from this, in ukraine, there is a small enough corridor for maneuver, it is obvious that zelensky will try to include us in the agenda of the event and offer a certain vision of his own as an event, the west should act, no matter who becomes the president of the united states, or no matter what the current situation is in europe, this is such an ideal situation, when the west supports us and moves with us towards, in fact, some kind of end to the war and a hot phase from the

favorable positions for ukraine, does not impose on us some point in the middle with a compromise on our part and with the preservation of the interests of russia. and some kind of compromise, but taking into account the ukrainian interest, approximately such ascending positions of the ukrainian authorities, which appeals to western partners, it is also necessary for the elections in the united states to provide a certain framework for the discussion, so that the ukrainian topic acquires a certain positive tone for kyiv, and does not become the subject of fierce fights between republicans and democrats. so comfortable looking for both opposing camps, and it's really to make some headway in this negotiation itch that has now captured most of the countries that are starting

to generate various negotiation plans, turkey, the vatican, australia, this, brazil, china are stepping up. even lukashenko mentions about the fact that it is a platform for negotiations, here kazakhstan offers its services as a negotiator, that is why we constantly hear about these plans, constantly talk about... creating some new possible cases, where this negotiation, these negotiations would be possible to disperse, and where to discuss some positions separately, we see that the negotiations of small cases about the union about the exchange of prisoners are progressing quite effectively, and some negotiations are taking place in arab countries with the participation of mediators, whether this is an element of a large negotiating case or are we not there yet? we cannot say clearly, since this information is not widely

available, we only hear rumors, some echoes, inciting information, their interpretation, and again, in my opinion, zelenskyi’s plan should not have provided any plan for the negotiation process, the creation of a general the framework of the negotiations, if we are really ready for it, we hear from the president that the war must be stopped this year, we hear from president zelensky that we are starting negotiations, he is ready for a discussion with everyone, we hear from our officials or politicians, that it would be nice to invite russia to negotiations, at least through an intermediary, we hear about a new iteration of negotiations with china, but somehow we do not hear from our authorities about a framework, a cross-coordinated vision, a single vision of this negotiation process , well, maybe this framework will appear in this speech and in this address called the victory plan, i hope so, although i am... here more of a realist than an optinist, well, we will wait for the presentation of this victory plan in

the united states of america , it will be literal in a week, and let's see what zelensky will actually propose, i think that the western media will actively cover all of this, especially since it is not only about the future of ukraine, but the whole world. friends, i am appealing to those who watch us on tv and on youtube and facebook platforms, please. take part in our poll, today we ask you about whether you expect biden's approval of zelensky's victory plan, yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, either yes or no, a separate opinion, please write your separate opinion in in the comments below this video, if you are watching us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote for the numbers: 0800 211 381, yes, no, 0,800, 211, 382, ​​no, and, all calls to these numbers. are free, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. i remind you that

serhii tarant and vitaly kulyk are on our air today. well, gentlemen, let's talk about what is happening in domestic politics, or rather, domestic, domestic economy, because this week the verkhovna rada of ukraine passed the first reading bill on raising taxes in ukraine, money is needed for the budget of uah 500 billion for military needs. and the tax bill, let me remind you that it foresees that the military levy will be increased from 1.5% to 5%, taxes on the first and second groups of fops will be increased, advance payments on gas stations, 1% on all forms of fops of the third group, 25% of profit on financial institutions are increasing, monthly reporting of personal income tax for... economic reservation and 50% tax on profits in banks in 2024, in parallel,

the parliament passed a law on introducing amendments to the customs code regarding the introduction of certification of officials of customs authorities, which is called the law on the reset of customs. it is expected that within a few years this should increase budget revenues by uah 100 billion. well, these are actually the decisions. was adopted by the parliament, there is no final decision on taxes yet, but it is clear that we are talking about increasing tax pressure, against this background, mr. serhiu, why does the verkhovna rada of ukraine not consider issues, for example, regarding the optimization of the state apparatus, which would be quite logical during the war, or the detinization of the economy, everyone has been talking about it for 30 years, but in... it ends with taxes being raised by those who

pay them. please. well, it seems to me that the verkhovna rada chose a slightly wrong path, and in general, when we hear that taxes are being raised, we should not hear that this automatically means income to the budget. because when taxes are too high and too oppressive, then business. simply flees to that or even from the country, especially during war, so i don't know how the calculations for raising taxes were in the verkhovna rada, but in general, let me... assume that in fact it would be logical to lower taxes at all now and create the best possible conditions for doing business in ukraine, especially during war, because even now, business during the war barely survives, the one that managed to stay on its feet, has not yet left the country, is still somehow working in these conditions, when there is no

electricity and generally not the best conditions for doing business, m 'so to speak, that's business need. now support the reduction of tax pressure, you may ask, and where to get the money? and i gave you a very simple answer: we have a very long-term dialogue with our western partners about supporting ukraine during the war. and we managed to agree on those things that seemed incredible to agree on there a year or two ago, it was very difficult to agree there, for example, there about airplanes, about missiles, but from time to time we see that it was possible to achieve success, and the west to... helped us with weapons, and even the kind that even at the beginning did not want to provide, so if the west could provide us with high-quality and high-precision weapons and will continue to provide us, then surely it is not possible to agree with the west on increasing financial support for ukraine so that ukrainian business survives and thus a larger

tax base appears and more taxes are received into the budget due to the fact that there would simply be more business. i think it's a matter of... negotiations, of course, it's difficult to talk to the west about money, but it's definitely easier than talking to the west about weapons, because weapons are a difficult political decision, but helping financially for ukraine, i think it will be much easier for many western countries, because it is not about weapons, it is not about striking with long-range missiles, for example, deep into russia, so it seems to me that it would be a correct strategy to reduce taxes in ukraine, to increase them in this way the tax base, so that businesses would appear in ukraine, and the budget deficit was covered at the expense of western aid, and this is normal, after all, there was a lot of support from the west and help us in the form of lendlease, so i think that the issue of financial lendlease, yes so to speak, it would also be much easier to decide, this would be the right way, it requires, of course, very serious diplomatic

work, but it is definitely a better way than just treating the business that somehow still survives in ukraine. thank you, mr. serhiy, mr. vitaly, it is obvious that the increase in taxes for business will affect all citizens of ukraine, because entrepreneurs will transfer their tax burden to the price of services and goods, and it is clear that for all of us , taxpayers as well the military levy increases not too much there by 3.5%, but still it also increases, according to you. opinion, was there any other way for shmyhal's government and in general for president zelenskyi's team than to raise taxes, and maybe this is a necessity during the war, that is, to fill the budget and understand that the army still needs to be preserved and financed.

a phrase from a famous cartoon is mentioned here, and those who... survive will see, those who, those who died, yes, this is about business, those who survive and will pay taxes, they will be suffered by those who covered their fops, because raising these taxes really does not just kill the simplified system, it drives it into the shadows, and we can already see this through our research of the deep people, we see that a parallel system of relations is being formed, which people just get out of regulation. they formally close the fop, but they do not register anywhere, they conduct such semi-legal activities, if they do, all the indices of the economic level of entrepreneurship there, the freedom of entrepreneurship are already scaled to zero, business, business association such as manifesto 42 simply screams about the impossibility of doing business in conditions of terror,

which the control bodies use against economic ones. objects, that is, by and large , the situation is approaching a direct confrontation between business and the government as such, this is already a challenge, and the further the situation goes, the more the situation will only worsen, whether there was another way, but there was no other way, because another way was simply not discussed, we have one philosopher of taxes and the idea of ​​fiscalization of any economic processes and... is now the main ideology of adopting any administrative decisions in the economic sphere, that is, we raise taxes, we drive them as far as possible, we fiscalize all processes, and we try to... everything that can be taxed and cannot be taxed, if we could, we would also tax the air, because people breathe and have to pay taxes, this is actually the logic of mr. gidmantsev, which

is being implemented now in the activity, and this reform is also a consequence of this same philosophy of maximum fiscalization, but there are sources, and what you said in your question about official , official apparatus, i want to remind you, yes, that we have reduced the number of civil servants to a certain extent, but public servants, not civil servants, but people who work in institutions, in the periphery of the ministry of departments, are the main problem, and there is happening, more clots are gathering somewhere, and in general, if we evaluate the number of civil servants, public servants, local self-government and civil service in ukraine, then let me remind you that in 1991, when we... became an independent country, having 52 million population, we had 1.3 officials per 1,000 citizens of ukraine, 1.3, in 2014 we had 7.3

officials per 1,000 citizens of ukraine, while the population decreased by almost 10 million people, now we have on average, this is so far preliminary conclusions, there are about 8.3 officials per person despite the fact that our population has decreased again, yes, that is, the population is decreasing, the number of officials is increasing, how can this be in a country that is also at war, that is suffering from lack of budget funding, of course, that we have to optimize the management vertical, of course, the number of officials should be reduced, but what can this misunderstanding lead to in society? well , first of all, dissatisfaction and a sense of injustice are growing, the lack of injustice is the main one. which destroys the society, destroys the state, a situation is created when people go into the depths, this phenomenon of people's cliques who do not communicate with this state appears,

hence there is distrust in the system of decision-making, decisions, non-acceptance of institutions, and, accordingly, distrust in the political leadership , and in some cases direct sabotage, despite the fact that the people who do it are not agents of russia, it is not the consequences of the russian pso, it is... really the activity in the benches or the inaction of the current authorities, which drive people into this very deep nation, by destroying the simplified system taxation, by destroying the system of personnel training and labor force and the like. thank you, mr. vitaly, mr. serhiy, in your opinion, this is a question of justice, which has always been in ukrainian society, that's why. we had protest actions on the maidan, because justice is a question, justice is always there, according to your question, is there justice

in ukraine now, well, in connection with taxes in particular, you know, when it comes to law and justice, it is such a very delicate game, because for each justice it will be its own story , i will say that there is a demand for, it seems to me, much more important, it is for... the clarity of the rules, for the transparency of the laws and for the implementation of these laws, but there is a huge demand for this, if the law is observed, implemented by everyone, and it will work, it will create opportunities for business, and for all citizens, and then there will be a sense of justice, because there is one law for all, but this is not the case now, and we feel it very acutely, in particular, in the fact that there is an understanding in business that all... questions is decided at their expense, there is also an understanding that the opportunities to earn and live are now much less in ukraine than they were, and at the same time, taxes are still being raised. this, this feeling of, well, not just

mistrust of the authorities or the government, it is much worse, it creates mistrust of the state itself, during the war. this is the worst story ever now it can be, and it seems to me that this is something that the authorities should think about now, before they make such decisions. thank you, mr. serhiy, and finally, gentlemen, i would like to ask you about this whole story with the dismissal of kudrytskyi from the position of head of ukrenergo, because he explained it by systematic pressure on the company's supervisory board. let's listen to what kudrytskyi said. and it was established that there is a lot of pressure on the company, that... obviously, this pressure is connected with the desire to change the company's management, i said in my recent interview

revealed who, in my opinion, is the instigator of this process, this is the ministry of energy, which since the 21st year, as a matter of fact, has been constantly trying with greater or lesser intensity to achieve this sacral, obviously for them, goal of changing the management of the company there, and the supervisory board made a decision, well, literally 10 seconds each, we don’t have much time, mr. vitaliy, i don’t care about kodysky... it shouldn’t be filmed because he is being accused, it’s about shelter, yes, but i’m sorry, it’s necessary would be to ask about the bank alliance and about the kolomoiskyi company, that is, there were many stories about which kolytskyi does not tell his interview, thank you, but that would be asking, thank you, mr. serhiy, now we see that we all finally missed that pre-war situation, when each personnel

appointment could be discussed much more seriously. and have serious political discussions, as well as all the personnel appointments, in particular in the government, which have taken place in our country recently, they were suddenly for incomprehensible reasons, including this last appointment, which is also completely incomprehensible, thank you thank you, serhii taran, vitaly kulyk, were guests of our program today, thank you gentlemen for participating in the program, let's look at the final results of the poll, final, do you expect biden to approve zelensky's victory plan, 33% yes, 67% - no, this is the result . of this survey, it was the program of the verdict of serhiy rudenko, see you tomorrow, goodbye, take care of yourself and your family, damned stairs, my legs are not walking anymore, wait, i'm choking, there is no health, and what kind of health is there on the sixth a dozen, and i thought so until i didn't

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