there is one copy that you showed at the exhibition, now, as i understand it, it is being prepared for testing, just like varta 2, and these time indicators are several months, i also think that they are also relevant for the protector, so that it can be replaced as soon as possible to bet on the provision of the armed forces, of course, but for unmanned systems this procedure can be even several times shorter, but first, this is, in principle , the first experience for our company. deployment of unmanned systems, but based on experience from other companies, i think that there will be the fastest deployment period. and i will ask a little bit about sau bohdan, because just a couple of days ago there were such messages from our danish partners, where nato countries are investing in the fact that these weapons were ordered at the expense of our partners, but supplied to the armed forces, and it says: about the fact that

the volume of production of this bohdan saw has significantly increased, which depends on your company in the process of manufacturing this promising serial self-propelled saw? yes, well, we are the first we are preparing the platform itself for this product, as you said, accordingly, for our company, it is necessary to expand production volumes specifically for the preparation of the platform, for the production of armored vehicles. with the preparation of the chassis, and many other nuances, and are there any problems now with the purchase of foreign components for certain cars, serial or prospective, that you manufacture, armor, engines, there, the chassis, or is everything going according to plan, are there still certain restrictions in view of the increased demand from our side there, you know, in the days before... full-scale

invasion, our company was also constantly faced with some political problems, with other problems, currently these initially in the full-scale design of the problems even decreased, because many companies, many countries began to intensively support us, accordingly, obtaining export export permits for sending their goods from their country to our country, it was even in this case se... easier, currently our companies also constantly have some problems with the supply of spare parts from some countries, but in principle it is more bureaucratic questions and they are solved simply with the help of time management planning, and i would like to ask about such a component of your activity as a significant appearance or on...

competitors of foreign vehicles in your class in the class there slave or combat there armored wheeled vehicles, in particular there a canadian company actively represents, supplies such equipment for the armed forces, how do you look at this process, because it is believed that several ukrainian companies, there is your company, the practice company, well, theoretically, can satisfy the demand of the armed forces in armored vehicles, or actually for... participants in this market are also needed, and first of all, the advantages of ukrainian companies for the supply of their weapons to the market of ukraine, this is the primary service of these cars, that is , the manufacturer can implement the service of these cars, supply spare parts, control operation, very fast exchange, experience is combat, accordingly, each batch of our products can be said, it is finished and... according to

customer requirements, that is, requirements from experience customer and this is direct communication between service, between production, between purchases, between management and the end consumer, respectively, currently ukrainian technology is more advanced in many aspects, because precisely because we directly, we directly contact end consumers, we see how the trend of the war is going, we adapt more, we are more motivated and... accordingly, there are a lot of advantages between ukrainian manufacturers, as experience has shown regarding repair service for cars of foreign production, then there there are a lot of nuances, a lot of problems with obtaining export permits to ukraine, that is, it’s not even a problem, it’s just time, respectively after, these are all bureaucratic points that require a lot of time to solve them, accordingly, there are such pauses that now currently for during our war they do not allow. accordingly, ukrainian manufacturers

can react quickly, repair quickly and , accordingly, they are even cheaper. mr. mykola, thank you very much for the inclusion, for these explanations, for what your company is doing to... strengthen defense capabilities of our defense forces, i will remind our viewers that it was mykola kuzma, deputy general director of the ukrainian armored vehicles company for development. the company itself, as we can see, is currently developing new models of weapons and equipment, which, after testing in the near future, will hopefully strengthen our defense forces, these are combat vehicles and robotic protector-type platforms, and other developments, in particular, we remember and about sau. bohdana, the reservation of which depends on ukrainian armored vehicles, other developments, which, i think, are extremely necessary for our defense forces in considerable numbers. these were the main military results of this day, then the broadcast will be continued by vasyl dzyma, so stay tuned to the espresso channel. thank you, serhiy

zgorsyu, thank you to his guests and we will continue the great broadcast and before we start the conversation with the guest, i talked today, by the way, about what we will have. regarding the increase in taxes, as they say, we will put everything on the shelves, well, but now, let us continue to donate to the needs of the armed forces of ukraine, so the spresso tv channel and the charitable fund fundraising for the purchase of modern drones and electronic warfare systems for the third separate assault brigade, as well as for the 110th and 47th mechanized brigades of the armed forces of ukraine, continues in the spring. defenders in the donetsk direction every day hold back enemy attacks, defend our freedom and future, it is these soldiers. stood to the last and defended the avdiiv direction in the spring. you can see all the details on your screens. we have already collected more than uah 1,800. our goal is uah 3.5 million. and we move on to the conversation. nina yuzhanina is with us in narodna studio deputy of ukraine, member of the committee

of the verkhovna rada of ukraine on finance, tax and customs policy. i congratulate you. good evening. well, the verkhovna rada passed the bill on tax increases in the first reading. and how do you evaluate the text of this bill itself, and let's face it, was it worth waiting a little, or was it worth doing earlier? i evaluate as chaos, uncertainty, and therefore absolutely unconstructive proposals that were voted in the first reading, why the chaos? because back on july 18... was registered the draft law on changes to the state budget for 2024, the government draft, which already took into account additional tax revenues from raising taxes, that is, then everyone started talking about the fact that we have a

budget deficit in order to cover the expenses of the fourth quarter, even starting since september, somewhere around 500 billion, there are 495.3, to be more precise. and for some reason everyone decided that it was absolutely necessary to get additional income for this amount by raising taxes, when they saw the project, we actually had a lot of others there, if operations, including taking into account savings, unspent funds under various programs, plus issuance, additional issuance of bonds of the domestic state loan, and a certain part remained for the increase of taxes according to the calculation. government about 135 billion. but those proposals that they also registered in the verkhovna rada, they caused mass, discussion, expert evaluations, and if possible, they can be divided into several blocks, this is the block that related to the military levy,

raising the military rate military levy from 1.5% to 5%, its application to others categories, and plus a military levy for some types of activities, and then... the finance minister and officials talked about the fact that we will take taxes exactly where, well, if non -necessary goods are purchased, that is, somewhere like luxury goods, where people can to live without all this, that's why taxes will be increased, there are even 15-30%, all that, but immediately after the publicity this initiative gained such resistance, everyone started to carry it out. conferences, round tables, no, no, no, you can't touch us, and it turned out that everyone is a luxury to touch, so what all the industries have agreed, but for the people, to take care, really take care, there is no one, because i am against the

absurdity of saying that there is no need to take additional taxes from the people, no, if we have other sources, let's use them first, then we will prepare people for this action. if absolutely necessary, but cover up with slogans that it's all for the war, that we need to finance our armed forces, that it's for the boys, but that's not possible, i think, and... this is just a very delicate topic when you ask people : you are ready to pay a higher military rate collection? everyone thinks, my god, it’s for the army, well, of course, i’m ready to give my last to support the army, that’s why i’m against such stamps and slogans and hiding behind such a screen, it’s just that you influence people’s psyche, manipulate people into simply believing that there is no other option. i was just watching yesterday, well, is it 11 tv channels or is it... just a blogger on the street, on the streets of kyiv people were being asked whether or not they were against

paying more taxes for support troops, everyone was in favor, but, but the key, key thesis that sounded from the lips of every second kyivan, whether they were guests of the capital, what, but we are not convinced that all this money will go where it should, that is, to the needs of the armed forces ukraine, i will simply say that these military pdfs, well, there are not only military, there are also the state emergency service, the police, which were taken from the communities and transferred to the central budget, there, in my opinion, are more. a third went to cover budget gaps, well, that is, in a word, that is, even here it did not go to the armed forces, and not only that, this fact was recognized by the authorities, that from the confiscated local communities of the military pdpo, firstly, the efficiency of use was not very low, somewhere tki used only 67% this year, moreover , you know how many scandals surround the unmanned aerial vehicles purchased by them, poor quality, expensive, the price exceeded , roll back and... i just don't understand why the government doesn't hear this, why it

deceives, and you, you said correctly, people say, well, of course, and i also heard, well, if the state doesn't have money, then probably we we must descend in order to provide the troops, playing on people's feelings like that, i think it's a whole technology, and that's why, for example, when i spoke in the hall, i addressed all people's deputies absolutely openly. but honestly looking them in the eyes, that if you press the green button now, then you are not the people's elected representatives, because the people no longer have representatives except you, let's think, i'm ready now, we will count all the proposals in a day and submit another text of the project of the law, and there are 241 deputies who support this initiative, which was passed in the first reading, what changes do you think, whatever you are members of... the faction, your associates are ready to make to this bill before the second reading and what changes do you think

can actually be passed, that is, i understand that there can be many ideas and proposals, but we understand very well that your faction, let's say, is not the majority faction, so it is clear that what are really good questions to push through, and which ones can simply be proposed and say, well, we proposed three three blocs, regarding two blocks, this is an increase in tax rates on gambling business, as on income of the company itself, as well as on profits, and the second is the tobacco industry, this is the raising of the excise tax on tobacco products, which we already had and undertook to precisely establish in ukraine from january 1, but regarding these two blocs there are great defenders among the people deputies, and the chairman of the committee, everything is the same, he does not see such an urgent need, it is easier for people, you know why, because everyone has it. we pay for security, we have to pay for security by paying taxes,

we don't pay for security, and a company that works in wartime, it doesn't have to pay for security, well, it turns out that it is, look, that's why we can actually consider at least a few blocks, but now in rent payments, in rent payments, changes were made, when the market situation was against us, if it was too hard, when you ... gas, now the price is 350, and so it turns out that we now have gas production, for example, the state-owned ukrgazvydobuvannya does not pay excise tax at all, this issue was raised by the ministry of finance, the tax department itself, we calculated together, i submitted these proposals, for the fourth quarter, if you simply cite the norms, in which they made a mistake, and which they support, because it is all of us together, 8 billion hryvnias for the fourth quarter, 28 billion for the 25th year, if

we talk about taking, for example, only the excise tax and setting the lowest rates 5 billions this year, 21 billions next year, and of course, if we are talking about the gambling business, which pays 18% from a share of revenues, because we do not control their revenues at all, we have 3 years. this business is out of the law, because it is in the law, when, when was it allowed to conduct this business in in ukraine, it is written there that the online monitoring system should start working no later than that. to take into account all incomes, it did not work, it has not worked for three years after that period, well, it turns out that if you read the laws directly, then the business should not exist, that's why they allow themselves, remember, these are all the runs that were made due to the change of codes in payments, which tsk also talked about, there was up to uah 200 billion,

whether it was their income, or whether they used themselves, let themselves be used for others... later, but we calculated based on the fact that what they are paying now, if you calculate, that is , they officially show this amount of income, somehow, if you calculate 18% from this amount of official income and transfer it to 50, then in the fourth quarter from the gambling business, in addition, 19.5 billion, and in 20 year 34 billion. let's assume that someone doesn't want something, or we'll take not 50%, but... we'll give them 30, well, definitely not 18, well, it can't be because the figure was announced yesterday, i just i won't say it now, there we are talking about tens of billions of hryvnias, the amount that was spent ukrainians, well, the main thing is that you remember when there was a scandal with the fact that many military men gambled here and there with huge sums, from which i understand that nothing special is absolutely true, they called 84 billion, i am

simply surprised that that's how we are before that, well, not at all. the deputies in the hall are indifferent, i know that it is clear, i went on the air a lot yesterday, the day before yesterday, today, and servants very often meet me on the air, they did not even know that there were alternative proposals, that they can be calculated and that they can give sources, y some of them, there is a very strange atmosphere in the faction, and no one explains to them, in fact, it is not so easy to understand, because there are a lot of numbers. there is a lot of different information on the surface, no one allows you to get inside, because even if the budget is drawn up in relation to the budget, but the deputy can open and read the bill, if he had such a desire in principle, he can, but he does not see an alternative, they all say, that there is no alternative, we all have to pay taxes, only you get a little more, the truth is, what is an ordinary doctor or an ordinary

teacher, i am most disgusted by this, a teacher will pay more than his own for... the average salary of a teacher is 12 00, although there are teachers who work there part-time, young teachers after an educational institution, they will not even receive the minimum wage , this is me, we will now move on, there is also a question about the national bank, because of course, here it is necessary to explain to the citizens, again, whether it is good or bad, that there 50% must pay, the profit of the banks must pay, but i i'm asking this just for understanding, i'm sitting now there is a teacher a doctor, i don’t know, a manager, an employee of a private business, an employee of state structures, well, like a school, it’s not a private business, there if it’s not a private school, and he looks there, the military levy will increase, there this, this will increase, that something else will grow, and he will think whether i will receive less, whether i will later invest more in the price of the product, or what specific

problem i may have, or simply, if it is a small and medium-sized business, then simply my enterprise may close, because it cannot withstand this pressure. and will say that you know that we are in the shadows we will leave, or we will simply not work, because this is the situation, that is, what can ukrainians with standard incomes in ukraine expect from tax increases, again, now it is not a question of not doing this , no, it is necessary for the military, but we simply have to understand what people should expect, what are the risks and what are the limitations, how to plan your budget, indeed, this is very important, mr. vasyl, we should not tolerate that it is necessary to increase the military levy for the incomes of individuals, for citizens in which pay taxes in white, we cannot tolerate it, if there are other sources and they were not considered, then we categorically, as i object, which means, you have now laid out everything correctly, first of all, from each

salary will be received additionally, a military levy in the amount of 3.5%, that is, the total amount... withholding will be 5%. this means that a person will receive less net salary in his hands, especially this will apply to state employees, who will definitely give this money to the general pot, by the way, not to a special fund, not specifically for the military, to the general fund of the state budget, to the commune. now, what will happen to individuals, entrepreneurs of the first, second, and fourth groups. they have never paid a military levy, these are additional funds that they have to pay 800 hryvnias each month for themselves, which means that from january 1.

monthly payments that were not paid before, i am generally a bit worried about this factor, why, because under... organize processes and work the most as this anthill, which delivers everything necessary for military units, so their opportunities will decrease, and this the most critical now is because now they started paying attention to it, because you understand that at such a time not many people understand, as you rightly said, the military draft, well, someone heard that it is a military draft, what is it about ... this is also reflected in what rate he is currently paying, no one even knows what they ask when applying for a job, and what taxes you receive from me, yes no, so

it will be noticeable for small micro-businesses. the third group, there is a turnover tax for both individuals and legal entities, they pay 5% anyway, there will be another one, there will be 6%, this is also a completely incomprehensible process, besides, advances. but at the points of retail sale of fuel, maybe someone will say that it is correct, because now there are a lot of companies that pay too little income tax, and there are companies that actually pay not only income tax, but also in white all payments, they are very transparent, and it was a company, for example, on the committee, 100% of foreign investment there, maybe i can't. name, but her representative from england intervened and asked that you can't do this, because we won't get that much profit at our points of sale, well, at the retail network, at

the gas stations, i was very surprised when they explained to him there that they sell fuel, it means that fuel sell, no, it's that simple , people still have to understand that you, well, the price of fuel is just to say that any delivery of fuel is delivery of products, well, you are in the store to pick up more, because it is all transported anyway. well, that's right, we 'll get to that, in the end, to what extent the purchasing power of each family will decrease, i calculated that taking into account the increase in excise taxes on fuel, how it will affect energy security and the replacement of electricity generators in winter and autumn, when we need it, each family will lose somewhere around 15-20% of the capacity for such a sum. .. such a size will be able to buy less, you can imagine what it is, well, that is, with the fact that all the standards remain for the next year in the same framework as now, i mean

the minimum wage of 800, all the minimums are based on aid is determined social salaries for state employees, everything remains as it is this year, but the other processes are not stopped, that is, i understand that the authorities are trying to... or maybe not trying, you know, after they have not considered alternative proposals , i see that they are looking for the easiest way, to hold on, but we must not hold on, well, we need the understanding of the people, if we believe that we should finance the security and defense sector, including through additional payments from the population, i well, i told you, let's call it a non-military... bir first of all let's create a special fund, and then we will call the collection there my support or i am with respect for the military or something, that is, so that we

understand that it is absolutely clear, every penny of mine will go to the ministry of defense, by the way, i submitted this amendment, they thought, they thought and said, no, then there will be a deficit in the general fund if you take away the entire military levy. i don't understand, there are 401 people's deputies sitting in the hall, well, half of them are definitely in military units, and they know very well what the situation is with... what is needed in the military parts regarding drones, regarding refueling, repairs, regarding the purchase of the necessary goods there, and they do not vote

for, for example, to give the military from the military... pdf not 10%, but 30%. even, let's face it, by the end of the year, which of our structures, which are empowered to purchase drones at the expense of these funds, will be able to deliver them? no one. let's give this small resource to military units, they will quickly find suppliers and do all this. also against. well, it doesn't happen like that. we need either together to survive, or then take full responsibility on yourself, because well. tired of talking about the fact that you can't say anything bad there, we are all united, but you can act? i'm just saying, here, perhaps, this deputy would also work, it's not even a question, it's just a word about some figures, here is a deputy from the servant of the people, such as andriy odarchenko, there he is suspected by sap, which means that specialized the anti-corruption prosecutor's office, he fled abroad, by the way, this is the second one, another ex recently fled, this is me verbatim that maybe they

looked somewhere and would do something, well, you see... and other urgent problems are bothering some people's deputies. i was still thinking of talking about customs. we just don't have enough time, i already think, maybe we won't move on, we will still raise this topic and discuss it separately, because it is also a very big and complicated topic, but in terms of taxes, it is important to understand here now, here we are literally two minutes, but is there any understanding, so they collected once, collected two, so that the business continued to develop, so that there was simply no rolling back, because some businessmen. they are serious enough, they simply say that it can be collected several times, and then it may not happen, because there will simply be nothing to do, how to keep the balance here? you are absolutely right, this will be a one-time campaign for additional income in the budget, then we will see an increase in the shadow of wages, not anyone will not be able to withstand such a load, because private business will not support people, private business will pay people as much as they paid before lifting and himself he will pay all the additional taxes,

because... now it is a struggle for every person, and to tell a person that tomorrow you will receive 500 hryvnias or 1000 less, of course not, so everyone who appreciates now just for a whole struggle for each employee will be paid at the expense of the company, which means that less taxes will be paid in the future, or they will partially switch to the second form of labor payment, that's what we will get to, and here is also an important question at the end, after all, whether was like a motivation for... who voted, and and the thesis that this is a requirement of the international monetary fund, is there no mention of such a requirement here, absolutely, we have reread all the statements published on the website of the international monetary fund 10 times, there is no such thing, they need a balanced budget, adopted changes, and even see if now they will accept amendments from this project regarding the increase in the income tax rate for banks, they will not be against it, they are on the contrary in favor, and if this...

as pyshnyi said, they will replace it with other proposals, which is an increase in ovdp bonds that can be sold, rather for all this option will also be accepted, therefore, in general, this situation does not depend on the decision that we can make, we have a choice, just make the right choice, that's all, well, and here only for the last, there is also time, as far as i understand, in october they have to consider, well, look, 14 days to submit amendments, since the schedule is such that somewhere in the first decade, the pro... will be voted on, but the rates will be applied from october 1, depending on who the business is with, well, we have a european business association , we have different business associations, there are representatives of big business, for example, yesterday i read one of the co-founders of the monobank, who also wrote to mr. horukhovsky about this, but many serious businessmen, really influential businessmen say that there are certain questions, who to talk to, so that these questions are heard, i am not even talking now about the deputies who have a different opinion, the business that pays, because if the business will not pay, then, in

principle, there is nothing to talk about. they know that we have five or six managers who make all the decisions, they also visited them a little, they know how to communicate with them, but in general , business can still at least go to certain associations, associations can also turn to the head of the committee, and the people to whom they will turn, that is who they will be protected by, that is, it turns out that now it is possible that society will somewhere run into different circles to look for support, but i still think that we will still work together until the second reading. i hope that at least the rate will be reduced, the military levy will be reduced to three to 2%, so that it is more within the framework of the fact that we do not lose momentum the allocation of everyone's wages and income, we just collected them, if we raise even 1% now, we will get the reverse, you can want to have more, you can lose what you had too, i thank you very much for joining , nina from the south, was with us, a people's deputy of ukraine, a member of the committee.