well, since the war is still not with the nato bloc, but with ukraine, especially with ukraine, which is not given enough weapons, which does not have the opportunity to use these weapons to hit where it should be hit, we are interested in this increase the army of russia, what it can threaten, what it looks like and whether it is a lot, you know, it turned out that it is so much, and it is that, well, how much, literally, they even named the figure, how much... well, the capacity will be increased, well, it is worth it it seems to me that this should also be taken into account and simply heard in order to understand how putin really wants to negotiate, if you hear this number and simply compare it with the real possibilities, then you understand that putin is not going to agree on anything with anyone, he is going to continue to fight, he is going to continue to seize ukraine, because when a person is not going to continue to seize ukraine, he does not increase

this is more or less, if translated into divisions, it is almost 17 new divisions. 180,000 people is still quite a lot. by modern standards, it is. of the armed forces, for example, the size of the navy, it is somewhere is within these limits. well, of course, 180,000, that doesn't mean that they're actually going to build those 14 or how many 17 divisions there, that , even if you consider that they're just going to take these people to make up for what they've lost, well that it's still a lot, and well, but it's not about that, it's about the language. this is about

increasing the number, that is, they are trying to compensate for what they have lost, and to additionally attract 18,000 to the army, to increase it by 180,000 soldiers, these are those who directly participate in hostilities, you can think of it that way, this is a lot, and this is another once i emphasize, it says that all the hopes of someone there, all the stories about how someone there will come to an agreement with the russians, about stopping the war, about something else, are about nothing. because the army is not being reduced to stop hostilities, it is being reduced, here we see an increase in the army, and here we see that this increase is planned, let me tell you, even more, in fact, there will be another phase of even more increase in the army , they even want to do more of it, it's planned there somewhere after some time, and that's all, i repeat, it was laid in the 22nd year, so the only option is... to fight with them, to reduce

the number of their army by simply destroying this army, there is no other option, and in the end, what else do all these attempts to negotiate with russia inspire , and they inspire what i have already said, that there will be an increase in terrorist attacks on ukraine, and in the style of russian propagandists, absolutely these terrorist attacks are explained by the fact that... that these are some kind of provocations, this is something, and now they , essentially announced their future strikes on absolutely civilians objects, in particular for kindergartens. ukraine, together with the united states, is preparing a new provocation against russia, the press office of the foreign intelligence service reports. they are reporting the following: kyiv is going to stage a so-called russian attack on the territory under its control, and the target could be

some kind of children's institution, or a hospital, or an orphanage, so that the footage from there would cause maximum horror, and the thesis, let's see, russia would there are children, look, look, in washington they want this media excuse to use for other purposes, to put pressure on iran and north korea, plan to declare that for this pseudo-attack they used weapons that russia supposedly receives from these countries. well, let me remind you that they are already at the hospital. they hit okhmadite absolutely deliberately, and it was only a miracle that there were no large casualties, but then it was also a deliberate attack on the hospital itself, moreover, everything that happened next, all the attacks that happened next, confirm us in the opinion that this is now such a tactic of russia's military in general, they are hitting civilians object and they are trying to achieve the maximum number of victims, but then what are they doing... such fake allegations and you

know the stories about the fact that there will be a provocation, well, everything is simple in fact, because they really received both iranian and north korean missiles. and they are not very reliable, frankly speaking, they fly where god will send, there is not very high accuracy, and it is clear that it will fly, well, just by by by anything, this is firstly, secondly, again , since they will now hit us, well, in the cities, just in some such way infrastructural and populated places, well, they will be there, it is possible that they will really hit kindergartens...kindergartens, somewhere else, so you just have to treat it, i know, you know, like plans, literally, and understand , which probably, well, those people who are responsible for our establishments where many people gather, should think about how to properly organize there

during the announcement of air alarms, there so that everyone goes to the shelter, all this must be done, it must not be neglected , because it is, i'll tell you. that is, so that the world will be horrified again. yes. and this actually the answer to the question: why are they hitting peaceful belgorod, explosions in which the world will not see, because they will ignore the main mass media. but it prompts

us to take some kind of retaliatory action, which they will retouch, use as they please. wait, you have very interestingly built a logical structure, that is, now they are all. in the framework of which they can arrange some kind of provocation like buch 2:0, in which they will accuse us? well, you know, every time a russian propagandist talks about bucha 2:0, it is clear that this will be a real crime and a real one. terrorist attack, because it's a real story that's well documented out there, and every time they tell it, it means that they're going to do something like that, or at least they think that's what's going to happen to them

shooting, and of course talking about the fact that belgrade is being shelled, well, don't shoot from belgorod, don't be shelling it, it's very simple, you know, it's easy here. to understand why, what is happening and how to prevent it, and not no one will provoke you, who provoked you, when you started to attack ukraine, no one provoked you, you will simply attack and that's it, period, and now it's the same story, don't shoot from the white, it won't fly there, don't shoot from others bridge, won't fly there, they literally fired at the airport in wengels at night, so they won't fly there. take off, fire at ukraine, the missiles will not fly there, well, logically, but will continue in the same spirit, accordingly, they will fly there, well, that's why you all know, talks about provocations, this is something from the same opera, you know, so

peaceful, they provoked a peacefully flying russian missile, yes, well, so what, that’s why we are preparing for russian terrorist attacks, we understand what this leads to and we understand, that any delay in arms, you know, talks about the fact that there might be some kind of negotiations, is the same way to provoke further aggression, as actually simply not to retaliate, but you can do two things, not retaliate, or talk about the fact that something needs to be agreed upon, and then putin will be there to continue in the same spirit, as soon as he gets... in his head, there is already somehow, you know, the desire to hit something there, well, it disappears, somehow suddenly and somehow i don't want to immediately, well, so what is it, see you,

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and i want to start precisely with the topic of your stay, what, if we talk about your meetings, about your conclusions, which is the most important in this visit, well, first of all , we wanted to bring with us an additional additional package of assistance to the armed forces of ukraine, and we have been actively involved in this since the beginning of the full-scale war, created our project, the united with ukraine platform, and we alternately bring aid packages, we work with the guide, with the escort of the armed forces of ukraine, with various departments, with gur and others, to understand what they need most next, then this time we transported long-range drones, armored vehicles and other, other things , about which we cannot... you, but we actively participate, therefore we call on all ukrainians and friends of ukraine

to actively participate in this collection of funds, then drones must be constantly updated, because they are destroyed on the front lines, and this was the main direction, the second was a political direction, that is, one military, the other political, in order to communicate, get to know the new ministers, well, i won't say get to know them, we know many of them very well, but to discuss with them the future strategy and how we... can to cooperate closely, because we know that the government can most effectively carry out a foreign mission when they work closely with the world congress of ukrainians and with our constituent organizations everywhere in the world, and to ensure that we cooperate closely, as well as the state, diplomacy and public society, and what are the conclusions of these meetings with officials, as far as i know, you also met with the new minister of foreign affairs andrii sebygo and other such representatives of the ukrainian leadership, what are their attitudes, and if... talk about this plan victory of volodymyr zelenskyi, how did you see the further development of events? well, their mood, like all of us

, is very combative, they understand that we understand the goal, that there is little time, that we must get this military aid as soon as possible, that there is a lack, that what we need, we heard repeating that we absolutely need air defense and we need a lot more, we need additional financial assistance so that it does not... not decrease, because there is a risk in this, and therefore, and we heard specific questions about , say, the return of ukrainians, how can we join this strategy, and we asked, we do not join, we are already doing it, we are doing all these things to facilitate this return, or if not the return, then at least less, so that the ukrainians remained ukrainians abroad, so that they would not assimilate, so that they would become ours a huge potential lobby that will work in favor. well, these are two , i would say, parts of this question, by the way, this is the question of the return of ukrainians, to what extent can

we even talk about a real return during the war, or are we talking about some kind of strategy after the end of hostilities, but at the same time it should be based on some time intervals, no one knows when the war will end in 2020, relatively speaking, in the fourth fifth year or in 2030, the 31st year, well, there is a call today to return specifically to men who are in of the age that they can serve and... that's right, they calculate that there are about a million men, citizens of ukraine, who are ready to serve in the army, and they will call them and find various ways to get them to... return to ukraine to fight for its independence, so this is a real strategy that is being worked out by the government, and the second is to help in reconstruction today, because there are opportunities to come and help rebuild today, because there is a lot destroyed, it should not wait until the end of the war, that is why it is important today, and secondly, regarding

return, we need to prepare today and provide... the possibility of return, i will give one very specific example, it is education, if we do not provide the right education, so that ukrainian children do not study in ukrainian schools, then it will be a whole generation of children that will be lost , because if the child loses his ukrainian language, then he will not return, they will not fight with his mother, what mother, i am not returning to ukraine, then what will happen, not only mother and children will not return, but the men who will return after the victory. .. they will also leave to join their own families, so this is a big security risk, as the children will not know their language and will not have a ukrainian education, so we are working with the ministry of education to ease the conditions, for example, there are now 600 thousand school-age children of ukrainian citizens abroad, 600 000 who left, of them only 320 00, half study in ukrainian schools, so

we already know that half of the children do not do this, so this is one of many. preventive measures, we need to work with veterans so that they feel at home here, so that they do not want to leave after the victory, so we must do things today in order to facilitate the return someday, is it today or after the victory? well, here it is important to know the question , of course, to introduce the question realistically, here it is true that ukrainian officials are talking about men of prime age who have died, or who are abroad in ukraine, with ukrainian passports, you know that these are people who left ukraine at different times, but it is absolutely obvious to me, let's say that if a person left ukraine in order not to fight and die, then he will definitely not return to fight and die, and he will just look for opportunities not to return to the country, at least until these hostilities subside, it will not risk participating in an armed competition, this is just such, i would say, such a model of history that was in all countries, well, i

think that you are right to a certain extent, but i am also an optimist, and i will say that there are such people that this... russians there pay money to serve their army, but we don't even have such desires, but also opportunities, well , i am not saying that those who serve here for free cannot put people in unequal conditions, and those who will return, relatively speaking from germany or poland, then let us pay them money, of course it will never happen, because it is an element of injustice, well, we ukrainians differ from russians in that we do not have to pay to be ukrainians, and that is why it is important that we for... and do create conditions for those who want to make the way easier, that way, so that they become mobilized and give them, let's say amnesty, when they would come back, that is, there are different things that i know that the government is preparing today to facilitate opportunities to return, i do not i say that all, maybe most will not return, but there

will be a few thousand, it will be very good, i think we should still encourage, and now about education, that's... also an interesting point, which i think it is worth discussing more seriously and realistically what you are saying about children who, let's say, no longer study in ukrainian schools, because either their parents do not have the desire to continue such an education, or the opportunity, but there is another important point, that these children in their families could leave ukraine, just like children who live here, communicate with their parents not at all in ukrainian, but in russian, and when they come there to poland, to germany, it is absolutely logical for them... there they spoke one language in the family and learn another, here they are seven they spoke one language and were learning another, they did not feel a connection with the ukrainian language here, and it is not felt there either, that is, the same model is being reproduced that was in ukraine, how to convince these people that ukrainian education is for them perhaps when they saw here some difficulty in the fact itself of this education, that parents cannot help children who study in schools, well, in a different

language than the one they studied, well, it's a big challenge for us, frankly speaking, but i... i would try to convince those parents why it is important to teach a child ukrainian, because the opportunities in ukraine will be much greater than the opportunities in russia, the opportunities in russia are closing, well, they are not in russia, they are studying in poland, no, i say, why should you learn ukrainian and not learn their russian, well they, i say, they will not teach russian, polish or german, well they may not be interested in russian, they study in the language of the country in which they live, so we urge them not to assimilate. because there will again be great opportunities for them, economic in their development of their lives, when we rebuild ukraine, because just then there will be huge opportunities, and if they know their language, then they will be... more efficient and more capable of working, and therefore , and this is one way to convince, the second way to convince is that ours, being ukrainian, it is cool, being ukrainian, knowing

your language, singing, culture, knowing your traditions, knowing one's history, this is something that enriches a person, a person, these people who know where they are from, then they, well, they live in a different, different reality, but these people who think, are aware, they will want learn your ukrainian. why are my children abroad learning ukrainian, ukrainian, because they love being ukrainian, because it's cool, they know what, what, they may not think they'll ever return to rebuild ukraine, but they do it because it's part of their identity , it's part of the identity, but there's an important point, you know, connected with the fact that these people really have to preserve this ukrainian identity, this is already a matter of immediate concern, because a large part of people who have left ukraine for the past 2.5 years. er, for them the question of identity simply did not arise, they were citizens, lived in this country, now they moved to another country, well, it's just a change of location due to the fact that this location, which was, became

uncomfortable and dangerous, there are people like that, uh, there are people who want to keep this identity, there are people who didn't have it and can't keep it they want, because there is nothing to save, the question arises of what to do with this situation, that is, how to convert people, so to speak, to this ukrainian identity, even... that living in ukraine itself did not become for them any reason for such an identity, in this way, they should be encouraged that they will have privileges when they are part of this community, that is, there is some benefit for them, whether it is social assistance, whether it is educational assistance, whether it is ukrainian sports organizations, clubs, as we have already it has been said more than once, it is to create communities that will be to raise children from the cradle to the grave, i.e. the whole ukrainian life cycle, as the jewish community very much... makes a child born in a ukrainian family, baptized in a ukrainian church, goes to a ukrainian kindergarten, ukrainian school, ukrainian youth organization, student, ukrainian

sports organizations, cultural organizations, professional organizations, lawyers, entrepreneurs, up to homes for the elderly in ukraine and ukrainian cemeteries, i apologize, mr. pavel, i remember from my so-called family experience, there are relatives and so on, that the jewish communities of the united states, canada and other countries spent. such a preservation of the jews in their identity, a crazy amount of money, and we too, they were even ready to compete with the state of israel, only so that people would preserve their identity in america, from where to take this money at the same time to help ukraine, to preserve these people in the community, this is the budget, this is the budget, this is the budget of every father and every mother to provide education for their child, it is an elementary thing that any family or parents and husbands will do it, so why not... spend it on ukrainian sports clubs, why not spend it on ukrainian education, on ukrainian lessons, on ukrainian dances, because after all, the child will have something to do, and

why not do it in ukrainian community, and therefore, well, bigger projects that we someday want to create are such as the jewish community has a birthright program, where every child has the right, well, up to a given age , to go to israel and there for ... for three or four weeks, you would like something to do something like this in ukraine, with ukraine, you know, i don't really like these analogies, no, no, because it means that there is already some big diaspora that lives its own independent life, and it lives parallel to the state, like the jewish the community has always lived, and here we are, people of ethnic jewish origin, we have come to terms with it, there is a national state, there is a large diaspora in the world, it lives, functions, spends money to preserve identity in the countries of residence, and there is israel, in which people there in... made a choice at the expense of their own of the state and its protection, you are drawing such a model for ukraine right in front of my eyes, i am not saying that it is not an unrealistic model, i just do not like it internally, i do not draw,

i show concretely what works today, how it works today , this is not a new concept, it already works like that, we have been doing it since ukraine regained its independence for the past 32 years, and that's why there are less people. yes , we also know that the resources of the state are impossible to do all this, so i tell our communities that do not expect that someone will someone will organize it for you, that someone will build a cultural center for you or organize a church or a school, money will not come from kyiv, from lviv, on the contrary, you will give money for that absolutely, but that is why we must educate all ukrainians, whether they live in ukraine or abroad, to be sacrificed in order to understand that how, how, how, how to organize a ukrainian school, no one will do it with... gather with your friends and form a ukrainian school, contact the world congress of ukrainians, we will give you a package , how to do it, how to organize it, help everyone

materials, we prepare together. with the ministry of education and other scientific institutions, we will give you everything, you just organize, and this is how we call on our communities, and this is how communities are built, they are then stronger, when someone gives money, it is a little knocking, and when the ukrainian community gathers and he says, let's collect funds, build youth, buy and build a youth organization and some kind of home where our children can hang out, these organizations will be successful and they will be positive and they will be creative, but how will someone give you money, you will make it to order, well, we often talk about the fact that there is a certain fatigue from the russian-ukrainian war in the west, but ukrainian communities are tired from the war? i don't think it's fatigue, but it's a pity that life is going back to business as usual, that is, people feel, well, let's not go to the sea once, they said, let's maybe this year we will transfer this money

to ukraine , we are already a little used to returning to our normal daily life, well, maybe i won't go to this demonstration, because we, we go to the country somewhere, for example, you know, we have to, it is my responsibility, my role is to constantly cheer them up, encourage them and tell them what i saw on the front lines in pokrovsk, in dobropil, that i, what ukraine needs, and we cannot give up, we must actively act as we did 2.5 years ago. well, it is also important to understand how ukrainian communities can work here with western governments, to what extent they are able to overcome this general fatigue from the war, and this, i would say, is the mood western elites that this is such a long conflict, we have to live with this conflict again, accept it as a reality and work on. it is our responsibility , vitaliy, to represent the interests of ukraine every day. we are every ukrainian who

lives abroad or a nation. in ukraine, whether he has a drop of ukrainian blood, there should be a lawyer, a diplomat, for the interests of ukraine every day, and we call for it, someday, i say this very often to my relatives, i say, in the diaspora, i say, someday your granddaughter will ask, grandmother, grandfather what did you do during the great war for independence to help ukraine win, and everyone must think about it today, how they will respond to it, and how they can help and advocate. the price of work is overwhelming, so i urge, even those who are stateless, the fact that they are stateless does not negate their involvement in any political process, whether in the states or in germany, that they joined some political party, started working there, found, knew how, how, how these processes work, and then, and even those that have citizenship, that they entered politics, and that they reached the top of society in business, that they could help finance our community and ukraine.

in science, in literature, in art, that is, we have to keep everything and just live, we have a responsibility to protect ukraine, and only we can do it, we cannot hope that one ambassador in this country can do it all. well, by the way, about work with other communities, people, perhaps, who are really not ukrainians, but who are otherwise can be related to this war, i was very interested in how kamela harris during the debate with donald trump, she speaks quite unexpectedly. did you contact the polish community of pennsylvania about the war in ukraine, not the ukrainian community, but specifically the polish community, so you see, mr. president, that if all these recipes of yours are implemented, then poland, their homeland, may be next in putin's war, and i was always interested to what extent it is possible to generalize ukrainian efforts with, say, polish efforts

communities, with the efforts of jewish communities, communities that are for... that there should be no war at all in central europe, so that this war does not inflame this crisis situation in the middle east as well, how far is this dialogue possible at all, because we we know that this dialogue was not always normalized, quite often communities exist in an isolated world, although offices may not be located on neighboring streets, as between ukrainian and polish communities, there is no communication between them for years, i will say that this cooperation is already ongoing many years, very were strongly involved in the issue, when poland and the baltic countries and other eastern european states demanded or wanted membership in nato, we helped them a lot, and they are helping us today, that is why there is such coordination, i am the head of the coronation group at the world level, the central and eastern european coalition, and similar coalitions exist in canada and america, and we work closely with