in central europe, so that this war does not inflame this crisis situation in the middle east as well, how is this dialogue possible at all, because we know that this dialogue has not always been normalized, quite often communities exist in an isolated world, although offices can to be on neighboring streets, as between the ukrainian and polish communities, there has been no communication between them for years, i will say that this cooperation has been going on for many years, we have become very involved in the question... when poland and the baltic countries and other eastern european states demanded or wanted membership in nato, we helped them a lot, and they are helping us today, that is why there is such coordination, i head the global coordination group of the central and eastern european coalition, and such similar coalitions exist in canada and america, and we we closely cooperate with the communities, because i will give the example of canada, there are already more than... 1.8 million ukrainians, well, until

the full headquarters will officially be 1.4 according to statistics, eh, but together with other central and eastern european countries , we would scratch closer to 6-7 million, because as we said, as one coalition, it's a stronger voice, and we encourage our communities that are still developing in other countries to find coalitions with others, the jewish community in america specifically, but also in canada, is very supportive, i'm very… often, when i was the president of the canadian congress of ukrainians, i signed joint op- eds published in newspapers, where, for example, i will never forget, during the revolution of dignity, i and the head of the canadian jewish congress wrote a letter or an article that ukraine has, has, has a lot problems, but anti-semitism is not one of them, because at that time there was a lot of such misinformation that maidan people were everything. something like that, and these are

examples, i can give a lot of them, how we work with other ethnic groups, it is very important that they support us, and there is an example, even of the iranian community, where we find a common enemy in iran, where we together we organize demonstrations on various issues, and this should be repeated and deepened, well, it is interesting to what extent, let's say, the politicians themselves in the same united states are aware of the weight of such communities, kamela ha also appealed to the poles in pennsylvania, but donald trump, he would probably also like to cooperate with these communities for when it comes to every vote is worth its weight in gold in these states, how far they reach out to such contacts are different teams of different politicians of this level? i cannot say exactly about both teams how they work with all ethnic groups, but i will say that work with the ukrainian community works. but at the level of congressmen, that is,

unfortunately, frankly, unfortunately, is it a team trump or the team of kamlya gerres are not actively working with the ukrainian community, then this is problematic and we have to correct it, but how much can we now influence this situation in these two months that are left, do you have any plan for victory, so first of all we have to to call them to specify how they will help ukraine, specifically how they will behave, and what they will force ukraine to do, and this is very important, and in other countries, we conduct such inquiries elections, and we urge them to be political parties and leaders have decided how they stand, whether they will continue to actively support militarily and provide the same, at least the same support, if not more, to ukraine and...

make sure that then the voters know for sure, do not play with words, that i i will decide and there will be peace in ukraine, but specifically how, and that is why we can use this method over the next two months to influence them to specify their plans, or what they are ready to do, but we always turn to the topic of ukrainians in the russian federation with you , and the question arises, do you see any new trends during this time, the strengthening of some repressions is possible, on the contrary, the appearance of some... people from there who could talk about what is happening there with ukrainians, in general, are there any people left there who are able to declare their ukrainian identity? i am afraid that those who very much declare their ukrainian identity are perhaps not the greatest friends of ukraine, and i think that those who really feared for themselves, because they were the real leaders, they either hid completely in russia, that is, they do not show, or left abroad, and many of ours the leaders of the ukrainian... community in russia

have gone abroad, we are just thinking with them how best to help the situation, but frankly, any contact by the world congress of ukrainians and the ukrainian community in russia can... lead to very bad things, criminal cases exactly, well, that is, it is from an extremist organization, in fact, absolutely, well, we are recognized as an extremist organization, that is why there were even criminal cases leading to a full-scale invasion against the leaders of our community, so i advise ukrainians in russia to live underground, as it were let's say the ukrainian greek-catholic church lived under the soviet era, so it must be lived now. there will be, there will be a change of regime, i am convinced of this, as when it will happen, i don't know, but be yourself, stick to ukrainians. please tell me, by the way, about ukrainianness and citizenship, i cannot but ask you about this law on plural citizenship, about which there is so much discussion, but it is not under consideration, but it is not

approved, how much are you interested at all adoption of this law, as a representative of the ukrainian world community, and as this law should look like, we have been calling for a formula of multiple or dual citizenship for many years and even before zelensky's presidency, because it simply reflects the reality, the reality is that the majority of ukrainians living abroad, well, let's say before the full-scale invasion, have the citizenship of another country , that is, it is a reality today, but they did it, well, theoretically, it is illegal, and this law has... applies to people, to society, and not the other way around, and that is why we believe that the plural of citizenship specifically today, after a full-scale war, have become even more important, because this is one of the keys to the policy of return and to the policy of

engaging them to the cause, because her child will be a mother will have a choice, the child of the people will be born there in another country, has a choice. should she apply for ukrainian citizenship, because i want her to have another citizenship, or do i take on citizenship myself, then i have to renounce ukrainian, we don't want that, we will lose a lot, this is a very important connection for us, i will say that regarding this question, i think that the war is real, we meet with many politicians, we just discussed it, gathered all the pro-ukrainian factions in the verkhovna rada, in that week, where we discussed many issues, including pluralities. citizenship, i would say that there is a consensus among all factions that in general we should have a law on multiple citizenship, but the question is which law, and it is very important that this law be discussed so that there is an opportunity for all political forces and the world congress of ukrainians joined

the discussion of this law, because there is this law, what we saw, we welcomed it, but it needs to be improved a lot, and safety fuses need to be put there. let's say, we, we call for it to be specifically spelled out which countries can, we admit that there can be dual citizenship, secondly, that in principle there must be one class of citizen, we cannot have two classes of citizen, and what does this mean, does this mean , that if you have dual citizenship, you cannot, for example, run for the verkhovna rada, you cannot be the head of a department, you cannot be a school director, because all this requires having one citizenship, we saw it in earlier laws, and this... is harmful, because we want ukrainians abroad to join the reconstruction of ukraine, but since we have 25 million, maybe more, who live abroad today, we do not want so that they have a voice, maybe in the verkhovna rada, and why a foreign ukrainian cannot be a member of

the verkhovna rada, and there are just restrictions in other bills that we saw that were created by those two classes, but on the other hand, explain, valda sadamka was going to be the president of lithuania. being a citizen of the united states, he renounced american citizenship, vaira vika freiberge was elected president of latvia, she renounced canadian citizenship, uh, so they were ready to participate in the political development of their countries, i'm just mentioning the first people here, because i i remember this, to give up the passport that they had from birth, in fact, and i know many who are not ready to do this, well, there were even some very professionals, maybe there were even potential diplomats for ukraine, but not were ready ready... to give up theirs, that is, it is in different reginas, obviously, as someone becomes president, i would hope that she would give it up, but to be there, i don’t know, ambassador, or to be the head of the department, you still do you want to detain your social security service, such as access to state secrets, well,

it depends on who, it depends on who, it is decided by individuals, not not not by the position, because how does a person take on something. position, then checks whether you, you think that she, whether she has one citizenship, or has two citizenships, nevertheless, check whether this a person is worthy to have this, this access to secret information, maybe just? this is already the experience of the post-soviet years, when people there went to some positions, they had russian passports in their pockets, all this was adapted, as if it should be like this, so maybe they are now afraid of any other citizenship? well, but we also want to become members of the european union, and as we want to become members of the european union, it will then make it automatic that there must be a permit to have dual citizenship, well, it must still be some kind of model, it seems to me a legislative one, because, on the one hand, i would really like ukrainians and people from other countries to take part in the development. ukrainians are very political, well, there are many people with a good education, with an understanding

of how real political processes develop, not post-soviet ones, that’s all clear, but on the other hand, this question is always what choice they make, well, you can’t become an ambassador to 5 years, and then return to another country, any and continue to work there, as if you did not work here in the civil service, well, i think, so what is the level of interest, so it is necessary, therefore, vitaly, we need to discuss it, so that everyone understands what the pros and cons are. to any law, we cannot just present the law, everyone vote whether you like it or not, it is important that it be discussed in committees, that all political forces have the opportunity to consult, to include civil society in this, so that we could have a discussion so that all the issues that exist, and they are real issues, are they resolved in this law, and you and president zelensky discussed this in april in chernivtsi, when there was a meeting, it was definitely discussed, the president supports many citizens. supports the concept that there should be one class of citizens, and we hope that it will be

reflected in the law in the law. and in general, when was this meeting, what were the main such moments, if we talk about it, it was the last meeting with the president, the truth, so so extensive, extensive, well, we see each other, for example, there was a short meeting in washington, when the president was at the nato summit, we then had the opportunity to meet, but it was a deep one discussion, it was last in april, and the president called on us to do everything we could to collect military aid, in particular air defense, and called on all our communities to be active in their countries, to put political pressure on their governments, to to provide maximum air defense and military aid, the second is the entry into nato membership, and the entry into the eu membership, and the third is very interesting what the president presented to us, he called us to promote ukrainian identity, and it was ... very nice to hear from the president, we obviously do, but this is what the president is calling for and

sees the importance that we do not lose consciousness, those millions who left, and that we keep this ukrainian identity, so that either they return or become our lawyers abroad, and by the way, about identity and generation, i wanted to ask you , because we now see that a real generational change is taking place at the social level, at the political level, there are more young people, as far as... this process is taking place in ukrainian communities in the west , first of all, isn't the aging of, let's say, communities, there are many people , which feel themselves ukrainians, but are english-speaking in the united states and canada, they do not know the ukrainian language, have a ukrainian identity, what to do with it, how to integrate these people into this general process, i will start that i will return from the working visit of the scu to south america , where the video of our communities worked. but also the main thing was to work with politicians, and i use them as an example, because these are

already old communities, there are many of them, 400,000 in argentina, 600,00 in brazil, and this is already the fourth or fifth generation, they are there went 135 years ago, the first stopovers were the krapolkas of the new wave, there was a little of the third, a little of the fourth, but these are small groups, they lost their language, so there is... ukrainian culture, they, and that is why they consider themselves ukrainians, they lost their language , but ukrainians love dancing, cooking, church, singing, i was surprised how wonderful they are, how wonderful they sing, but they do not know the ukrainian language, but they sing in any language, but they sing in the ukrainian language, yes, i speak ukrainian just like that, well, it is possible one by one by the spectrum of this, as this it should be, but it is important to be ukrainian. obviously, we want them to speak ukrainian, we will nurture it, but we don't want it, i prefer that we have a politically mature

ukrainian community, which may not all know the ukrainian language, because it is real, i look at the powerful organization of the congress of ukrainians of canada, there are many even at the heads of communities who do not speak ukrainian, but they deal with ukrainian issues, and they are professionals, they are capable, and they can help a lot, we we will care, we will not but we cannot reject them, by the way. talking about south america, this is an interesting moment, because what could be the efforts in the global south, where, as we see, governments are neutral towards both participants in this war, prefer to maintain good relations with russia, economic ones. how many communities there can change the point of view of society by with the elections brazil we can no no we don't like lula's politics, i don't like it either, but still i didn't like the takinar anymore, well, but i think he understood, i met with his former ministers, and they realized their mistake when they came to

power, and i think that, by the way, their former minister of defense recently. i was in ukraine, and i met with him, so i think that they are ready to change their politics, but its deputies, senators, brazil is still a democratic country, and that is why i called on our community to become politically active, that they joined politics so as not to become deputies, among other things, i met a very interesting member of the brenazry parliament, his name is pavlo bilinskyi, he is her second and third generation already . in brazil, but he has a trident tattooed on himself, he considers himself a patriot of ukraine, and he really wants to work with us, he shows you a tattoo, a tattoo, yes, a t-shirt, a t-shirt, i didn’t think about the climate, a deputy , a tattoo, how did you see , well, in brazil you can see everything, well, we also had dinner together, it was more informal, but we have to influence through civil society,

because i felt that in brazil, and in argentina and in other countries... our society supports, they understand that, and we have to find different levers of influence to influence these governments, and it is possible, i think that looking at the senate and looking at the parliament, how they treat ukraine, i would say, they are very positive, we will see, we are calling for them to pass laws by november regarding the recognition of genocidal famines, they are discussing it right now, and it will be such a breakthrough moment, when we can pass a law in brazil recognizing genocidal famines, then we will ... through parliament, through other political forces, try to influence politics, and politics, as we know in a democracy, changes, that is, lula will not be around forever, and we hope that the next force that will emerge may be pro-ukrainian, but we can still influence him , when i met with his minister of crown affairs, i urged, i said, how can you be neutral when there is clearly an aggressor and clearly there is

a victim, that is, there is a country that is... is at war, and they are playing big politics, as if big politics, but brazil frankly, it is in the pocket of china, as you have mentioned more than once, and i see this all over brazil itself, how many chinese banks are everywhere, everywhere, everywhere on the street, so it is a difficult situation, there is a difficult situation that brics is expanding, and we have to think about how we can counter this brix. i want to end this conversation of ours, maybe you would like to address ukrainians here and ukrainians outside of ukraine, at the end of our program today, maybe you want to say something that i did not ask you about, well, thank you very much vitaly, as always it's all nice to talk, but dear ukrainians, i strongly urge you that today,

as ever, you should help ukraine in every direction, and give. and volunteer, and go out, and actively participate in politics, and think to yourself what you will do every day to help ukraine, because each of us, 25 million ukrainians abroad, will do something every day to help ukraine, whether materially or politically, we can soon win this war, but only with joint efforts, we cannot hope that only the government or the state america will save ukraine, it depends on all of us, so join us. this and political processes and help finance our work, join united withukraine.com and you can help purchase critical equipment for the armed forces of ukraine. thank you, it was pavlo grokht, the president of the world congress of ukrainians, and vitaly portnikov prepared this program for you with this conversation, victory and victory to you, friends, good luck.

see this week in the collaborators program. ministries of the occupiers, whom the rashists appointed as leaders. i want to on the lands kherson oblast was and will be russia. but how did the fake minister rob his owners of millions of rubles? the accused is detained. greetings, i'm olena kononenko, and this is a collaborator program about traitors who, at the call of... hearts and wallets, went to serve the rashis occupiers. in the temporarily occupied territories of ukraine, russia creates such ministries. they are illegal and illegitimate, but many collaborators prefer to occupy. positions there, becoming a minister, deputy or at least the director of the department - almost the main goal each seller. today and in the coming issues, i will tell you about such fake

institutions, who runs them and how they are used by the occupiers. this is the so-called ministry of health of the kherson region. it was created on july 25, 2023 . racists call the department one of the most important, because health issues in the occupied territories. stands very sharp, moreover, it can be actively used for agitation, propaganda and pressure on local residents. for example, appointment and appointment with a doctor, sale of essential medicines, operation, all this is available only if you have a passport with a chicken. positions in this ministry were distributed very carefully and only to those who proved their dedication and willingness to work for kremlin ideas. ilmiyev vadim viktorovich was entrusted with the duties of the minister of the rashists. born in 1966. along with the soldiers on the front line and in the rear are medics. they often risk their lives, fulfill their duty to their homeland, providing

aid to the wounded and victims. ilmiyev was born in uzbekistan, but later moved to kherson there, in 2007, he created a public organization, the hospital fund, which turned out to be a pyramid scheme. then all the heads of kherson hospitals, teachers, doctors, librarians were obliged to voluntarily join the organization of the hospital fund. members were required to annually transfer 500 hryvnias from each salary to the fund of the public organization. this contribution was considered as mutual aid in case of emergency, which can be applied for by all state employees of kherson. but, as it turned out, contributions were collected every year, but no one had money highlighted after that, in 2017, ilmiyev was one of the heads of the public. medvedchuk's ukrainian election in the kherson region, and in 2020 he ran for the kherson city council from volodymyr saldo's bloc, but did not pass. in 2021, ilmiev

tried to get a job as a specialist in the office management department of the kherson city council, where he also got a break. under the ukrainian authorities , this traitor's career did not go well, so he decided to try to become useful to the russian executioners. he put on the military uniform of the rashists, puffed up. cheeks, but your poverty emphasized with zet symbols and a russian passport, with this whole set of artifacts of an underdeveloped being, ilmiev set out to engage in propaganda. you hear that there are now incoming flights, and ukraine is now shelling the city of kherson. in this way, it takes revenge for what people want to do with their will. rashists appointed ilmiyev first as chief. of the regional health care department, and then she was equated to a minister. under the leadership of this traitor, the kherson region began to prepare for medical reforms according to russian standards. we have only one choice,

and this is the choice of a peaceful path, so that peace will finally come to us on the fertile tauri land. order, stability. this minister is in office. was not long, why? well, because he robbed his own owners of 26.5 million wooden rubles. the former acting minister of health of the kherson region has been charged with misappropriating the funds entrusted to him in a particularly large amount. the accused is detained and remanded in custody. it turned out that from september 1, 22nd to april 23rd, ilmiev stuffed himself gate with money allocated for the doctor's salary. and employees of kherson city clinical hospital named after karabelesh. during the search of his house, cash, jewelry and paintings were found. last summer,

the traitor was detained in crimea. i think that ilmiev regrets that he fled to the occupied territory, now he would be sitting in a comfortable ukrainian cell and repenting. the general prosecutor's office announced that he was suspected of collaborationism. but for now, this sell-out is forced to try out all the kremlin's methods of re-education. no matter what there was, but... ilmiyev's place in the occupation health care system was not empty for a long time. rashists quickly found a replacement. the new minister is artysh sat from stavyan. but i think he will not sit in the chair for long. and not at all because of what will be stolen. it's just that the fate of all these soap bubbles is decided in advance. each spherical hollow shell leaves only a wet trail on the asphalt, then quickly disappears like dew in the sun. and this is the so-called ministry of health. lpr natalia pashchenko. she was born in the city of stakhanov in 49 luhansk region. cardiologist by education. in 2014, she moved to severodonetsk, where she began to build

her... career from scratch, but two years later, pashchenko was offered to lead a cardiology project in the terrorist dpr, which was financed from the russian budget. medical workers are an industry that largely depends on the russian federation. in the 14th year, we already made our choice, the doctors stayed here with their population, it was already the choice of the russian federation. pashchenko zealously served the red stars. in exchange for ghostly prospects and money, and to spend bloody rubles she went to the territory controlled by ukraine, according to the media, the traitor bought an apartment in irpen, near kyiv, and in 2014 she first sent her daughter to study in the ukrainian capital, then to poland and france. the daughter in europe is enjoying the advantages of the civilized world, while pashchenko is talking loudly to the camera about the good life under the tricolor.

the most important thing, probably, is the frequency and formation of such friendly ties, and the feeling that we are together and we provide medical care together. for three years pashchenko managed the so-called state cardiology program of the terrorist lpr, until in december 2018 she was appointed as a fake minister of health. since that time, the zaprodanka began to promote russian lies even more persistently, for example, about the fact that our armed forces are hitting civilian objects in luhansk region, or about how... bad the ukrainian health care reform is and how good it is russian today's contribution of medical personnel to a special military operation to save the lives of those who fight for our homeland cannot be estimated. it seems that nothing will help this zombified creature of the rashish regime. in april last year , pashchenko, along with seven other traitors , was suspected by the sbu of collaboration and treason. so, after

the liberation of luhansk region, talk about that. how good the kremlin can be only for cellmates, 15 years old, and maybe for life. this is alla barkhatnova, the occupation minister of labor and social protection of the kherson region. she is 51 and comes from the oryol region. as a child, alla moved to the city with her parents druzhkivka in donetsk region. she finished school there, then went to study in russia. she received her education at the all-union research institute of automation of meterology. after. after receiving her diploma, she returned to the donetsk region again. at first she worked as an accountant, later she became an entrepreneur. but a powerful career development took place in barkhatnova's life in 2014. did she understand who should be served, what should be said, whom to thank, who to betray? at first , zaprodenko helped organize a pro-russian referendum in donetsk. worked an accountant in the so-called ministry of social policy of the dpr

and was elected a deputy to the terrorist parliament from the free donbass party, and with the beginning of the full-scale russian invasion of ukraine, she moved to kherson, where she was appointed acting head of the fake ministry of labor and social policy of the kherson region. in order to submit an application, a citizen must bring a certain list of documents, this is a passport of a citizen of the russian federation. even during the occupation of kherson, the fake minister alla told the russian media that ukraine was 30 economically destroyed the region for years, but how are people now returning to the russian kherson region, standing for 11 days at checkpoints, and how about without acting ? barkhatnova cries on camera, telling how she allegedly survived the shelling from the ssu. i swear, everyone will answer for their actions, i am not afraid of death, i want russia to be on the lands of kherson oblast, and it will be. in general, the coast was let loose and

the rumors about the involvement of ukraine in the undermining of the kakhovskaya hydroelectric power plant. are these sick fantasies too similar to a serious diagnosis? maybe it's worth it b to turn to the so-called colleagues from the fake ministries of health, so that in the end she was prescribed treatment? according to the ministry of defense of the russian federation , ukrainian militants are preparing to commit a terrorist act on kakhovsky hes. in the event of the implementation of this criminal plan to all residents. safe settlements downstream of the dnipro are in serious danger. when the traitor felt that our armed forces were already close, she attacked the left-bank kherson region. now she pretends to be a minister already there. in july 2023, the sbu completed the investigation of barkhatnova's case incriminates her.