will take care, he must go to protect them, go to the front. this is a very, very difficult thing, where everyone has to work on it, both society and every individual who feels a duty, but also the state, you mentioned the ministry of diaspora, imography and demography and diaspora work, this idea was earlier than zelenskyi publicized his idea of ​​a ministry for the return of ukrainians, well, i submitted a draft law about it, and after that, you probably heard someone tell the president, and the president... basically said almost the same thing, it’s just that my idea is formalized in the bill is broader, because it also includes work with internally displaced persons inside ukraine, because we should not divide, why should we help someone who is abroad and not help someone who moved from donetsk region to lviv or ternopil, we we have to help those and those, and provide these here first of all, there is the issue of birth rate, there is the issue of really working with the diaspora, the diaspora is people.

of ukrainian origin, who are citizens of other countries, who grew up and were born there, but these are people that our state should take care of, because the russians want to destroy every ukrainian in ukraine, and those ukrainians in the diaspora will not have their homeland, and they should also be involved in the defense of their homeland and receive from our state, or at least a dialogue with them. at the very end, interesting sociology from the kyiv international institute of sociology, this institute asked ukrainians whether ukrainians would move to live in the united states. america or any country in europe, if they were granted citizenship. the results are as follows: 79% of respondents said that they would stay in ukraine despite everything, only 19% would like to go abroad. sociologists note that the percentage of those who would like to emigrate from ukraine has decreased compared to 2020. among men, 70% of men do not want to leave ukraine and 27% want to leave. among women, 80% do not. are planning

to leave ukraine, and 18 intend to move, as the city council emphasizes, this demonstrates that the desire of men to leave cannot be attributed only to mobilization, that is, all the warnings of the authorities that they will open the border and everyone will flow, judging by sociology, this vain expectations judges, it is true, it is true, but even when those 20% flee, it will be a problem for us, but in order for them not to flee, it is necessary not only to physically close the borders, it is necessary to build a normal democratic country from which you do not want to run away, but ukrainians also want to defend ukraine, sociology shows this, so if the mobilization was carried out competently, then we would not have examples when people are sometimes grabbed on the street, like some kind of occupying power, and people would go, serve as they went in the first days, just for it is necessary to have a dialogue with these people, to talk about demobilization, how long they are in the army, because we had the post of pavel kazarin, who impressed me, pavel

himself is a military man, a well-known journalist, and here he writes, everyone has already stopped talking about demobilization, because it suits everyone, someone serves there, the main thing is that it is not me, but those who serve, let them be there at least all their lives, and this is also a wrong situation and a wrong, wrong attitude towards our soldiers and their families. thank you, mr. mykola, it was mykola knyazhytskyi, people's deputy of ukraine, friends, we have a story ahead of us, after the story we will return to the studio, we will have two more guests, so we will watch a story about rescuers... about those who save people during this great war, one of them , vladyslav hnatenko from poltava, says, the profession found him, and he did not find her, which for him is the most difficult thing in work, the man shared with our correspondent anna morozova, let's see, he dresses, and that's where he went. vladyslav hnatenko has been working as a rescuer in the poltava part of the state emergency service for more than 10 years, he says.

i never dreamed of such a job as a child after serving in the army, i decided to devote myself to saving people, i guess this profession found me, not me it, it is a job in which there are no holidays, birthdays of friends, all your days fall out, you go out, well, as long as there are reserves , accidents, meetings, that is, your schedule is not normal, for a rescuer, first of all, physical endurance and preparation are important, because a full set of equipment. stretchers, such a rather, rather heavy thing, that is, if there is no health, you will not work with it for a long time, also for working in unbreathable conditions in the environment, there are such devices, they also weigh 15 kg, a mask and you can breathe for an hour, it is important for a young rescuer. working in a team with

experienced colleagues, adds vladyslav. on the first outings, the elders provided moral support and covered physically. the main thing, it will always be later, is experience. that's right, yes, of course, the ability to make quick decisions in critical conditions, the courage is there, physical endurance, because it's there, well, the event can be there from three minutes there to yes, the last one was a day, you already change to the event, in the absence challenges, the work schedule in the state emergency service is filled with classes and training, says vladyslav hnatenko. military deployment there. how many hoses are there, setting a car on a reservoir, extinguishing a fire, conditional, there is an electric car, for example, there is the one who conducts classes, he also gives water there, you do all this as part of the unit, and for the last two years

on the shoulders of rescuers there was even more work, in addition to fires, accidents or cataclysms, employees of the state emergency service eliminate consequences of russian shelling, evacuate civilians and carry out posh. we encountered very rarely and on such and such scales, when hundreds of tons are exported there per day and there is a lot, almost half of it is sorted by hand, so it is probably physically more difficult than two years of full-scale invasion. of ukraine eliminated more than 17,000 fires that arose as a result of enemy shelling, more than 1,300 lives were saved from the rubble. during this time, two employees of the state emergency service were awarded the title of hero of ukraine. anna morozova, bohdan proskurov from poltava for espresso tv channel. friends, i remind you that

we work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are currently watching us live on these platforms, i encourage you to subscribe to. our pages, as well as take part in our survey, today we ask you the following: do you expect biden's approval of zelensky's victory plan? yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, if you have a separate opinion, please write it in the comments under this video. if you are watching us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote on the numbers 0800 211 381, yes no 0800 211 382 no, all calls to these numbers are free. vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. next, we will be in touch with mykola malomush, ex-head of the foreign intelligence service of ukraine, general of the army of ukraine, adviser to the president of ukraine. mr. general, i welcome you, thank you for being with us today. congratulations, glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes. well, we

wanted to start with the situation in ukraine, but anyway, let's talk briefly about what is happening in the middle east now, because international agencies are writing about what uramaks. in the second wave of the operation of the special services , israel blew up thousands of radios used by hezbollah fighters in lebanon, and today all agencies report this, all international publications write that, in addition to pagers, various devices began to explode, and this is such a device attack, a powerful device attack , israel has already blown up thousands of walkie-talkies, and... what is this, what does this mean? it means that the world is changing, and methods of combating by terrorists and people trying to commit acts of terrorism is also being improved. what can you say about it? well, first of all, israel

is working on a large-scale operation to neutralize terrorist organizations, activists, and here we are dealing with the fact that precisely pagers and those... diostats are used by representatives of various extremist, terrorist, radical organizations, as a rule, ordinary citizens use normal phones and by other means of communication, but it is precisely the representatives of such organizations that commit terrorist acts acts, and for this it is necessary to hide the possibility of preparation, communication, respectively, the transmission of signals that are recorded by the special services of israel and other countries. by various means, it is clear that they are returning to the old techniques, these are pagers that do not have such a system of interception and radio stations that have wave capabilities, but yes, it really complicated the situation of the activities of the israeli special services,

that is why a number of attacks and especially we remember , which were not massive attacks and the first ones carried out by representatives of hamas and hezbollah, that was them really unexpected for israel, because they... intercepted precisely the preparatory periods and especially the beginnings of massive strikes and attacks that swept through israel, so israel came out of a new concept, just... that model, which is very vulnerable, and these are communication systems that are used for the preparation of terrorist attacks and the organizational activities of extremist organizations, it is clear to introduce those means that can neutralize them personally, i emphasize once again, because they can speak, and these are ordinary citizens, like rule and the concept was adopted, among various extreme organizations, we switch to means of communication that do not take from... accordingly, the special services of israel of other allied countries, therefore at the moment pagers and

radio stations served as a means of destroying precisely the leaders and activists of these organizations, but the operation to order them was very successfully carried out, that is, the agency was working, which was oriented that there would be such a transition of representatives and we are not talking just lebanese either, it is hizballah, it is from other structures of hamas. these are their allies, the closest ones, they can do it representatives of even iran, so at the moment these are precisely the categories that are really fighting against israel, conducting special operations, and precisely the use of such means was also prepared by the israeli special services through various front companies, which produced the same pagers on behalf of taiwanese, for example, companies , and of course they have already been handed over for procurement, as i understand it, the agency is controlled by this lebanese group, thank you, mr. general. but let's return to russian terrorists, to the terrorist activities of putin's army. russia continues

carry out terrorist attacks on sumy oblast. the rocket and missile strikes are obviously aimed at destroying energy facilities in the region. can this be considered russia's response to the actions of ukrainians on the territory of kurshchyna, or is it in this way that the russians are being forced to withdraw? some territory, a segment of the territory, which would be simply unsuitable for life? well, first of all, russia has, as a rule, many goals, this is the first situation, this is revenge, a lot of analytics, but no, they are not taking revenge, i just know the leadership of russia, they have this sign... clearly defined, they are taking revenge on dear to our successes at the front, they did not expect that

we would enter the territory of the kurdish region, create a buffer zone, as putin once wanted to create on our territory, because it says how they entered the territory of russia, but simply entered what putin wanted on the territory of ukraine to create a hundred-kilometer buffer zone at the expense of our territories and controlled by russia, but we passed so that they did not attack sumy oblast with real troops. to the kharkiv region, did not use logistic routes in this format and did not place them there are means that would already massively deliver money to sumy oblast, kharkiv oblast, and other territories of our country, so this is a legitimate action, on the other hand, why are they hitting sumy oblast and kharkov oblast, this is not only revenge, but this indeed, carrying out such attacks is planned to force us somewhere, perhaps to retreat, perhaps to react, especially citizens who will be against... already against the actions of the authorities regarding the fact that we do not agree on peace, on

a ceasefire, but here russia is already ready , and we already have a plan, but only on russian terms federations, these are controlled, occupied territories, then they are ready for some kind of truce, then prepare new aggressive attacks, therefore, forcing people to express a position against the actions of the authorities regarding the protection of the state and not an agreement on peace, but on the terms of russia. this is one of the factors that they use against sumy, against kharkiv and against all citizens of ukraine, every night, we remember, drones and even missiles of various types fly all the way to lviv, so at the moment they are really suffering in the first place turn border cities, sumy, kharkiv, other settlements, but also suffer, of course, all other citizens who are really exposed to attacks and our people die in all of them. cities of ukraine, these are large-scale acts of terrorism, if we assess in general, putin miscalculated that

the ukrainians would unite and give them a worthy retribution for their aggression, so today the question is for him to see the spirit of the ukrainians, the method of terror, but this does not work, it causes a backlash reaction, so he is still close to forcing us to go into a state of fear, protests, but it is not possible, yes let's... fight, will destroy the infrastructure, will strike energy facilities in the fall, will simply kill people to liberate, as he says, the territory, but by the method of terror murders, this is today. of russia, so there is no surprise here, but how to strike those axis installations that shoot at the same sums, drones, missiles of different you, mr. general, took the following question from me literally from yazek, because it is clear that these missile installations and these sites from which

drones are launched from russian territory federation is legal. a military target for the armed forces of ukraine, and during the last week we were waiting for the decision of our western partners regarding the permission to strike with their weapons on the territory of the russian federation, but despite the meeting that took place at the end of last week between biden and his colleague from great britain, it is meant from the prem by the prime minister of great britain, keir starmer, but there is no such decision... what is the reason, in your opinion, for such a decision not to be made? well, first of all, what the us president officially declares, he is afraid of a new escalation of the war, and it is initiated not only by some general threats, but through the intelligence channels between putin

and biden, and this is through naryshkin and the director syra byons, there are constant warnings that until... give permission to strike on the territory of russia , we will consider that the usa and russia are at war, and of course, then we will strike at american facilities and at the facilities of nato allies, absurd, because russia will not stand, but it is clear that biden is reacting, very cautiously refers to granting permission, only sectorally, and considers that we must defend our territory, and gradually displace the enemy at the expense of that aid, but it is very limited, it is fundamentally strategic. wrong position, the enemy can only be defeated by those means that he does not expect, these are the latest high-tech means on the territory of russia, the occupied territories and on the battlefield. this symbiosis of three components will have prospects of victory in ukraine and the west, they will then not fight alone, nor the members of nato, europe, nor even the usa, because we will fulfill this

a lot of difficult and sacrificial work, but with their support, and therefore the work of persuading our... allies britain, france gives the opportunity, and the usa is being carried out, i think, in the coming periods, maybe a few weeks, after all, the permission will be given in the first place great britain, and almost parallel to them the usa, but i will say one more thing, not only these missiles, there are very few of them, they need much more to play a key role, just like the f-16, not 10, but at least 60 , and today the alternative, what we say to beat on this launch sites. that strike every day, and drones, and shoot missiles, strategic, and s-300, s-400, flying around kharkiv, in sums, very close to the city in a minute and killing people, these are our drones, hundreds of them and thousands, which have a ballistic format, which can strike up to 200 km, deliver them to morozovsk, to

strategic bombers, where they launch iskanders and tu-22, wing missiles. and these are both planes and launchers, those centers, respectively, that launch shaheeds, this is, for example, on the territory of russia, krasnodar territory, kursk region, where we specifically know where they are, these are specific objects, how should we strike daily, with tens or even hundreds of drones, so that they do not raise their heads, imagine if we strike strategic, so to speak, the airfield where the bombers, control systems, and missile ammunition depots are located without... intermittently on tactical airfields 250-300 km away, if those who today are striking the same amounts, on kharkov and on our people and by fighters, most importantly by a wide front, exactly the same by drone launchers, but there will be no place for them, because new strikes will be waiting every second, and they will really hit

both these objects and ammunition depots, as literally this night a very effective, active operation was carried out. just to destroy various types of missiles against both aircraft and cabins, corresponding to the s-300, s400 missile systems, this is the right approach, but it should be massive, then we will prevent both night and day strikes. mr. general, when does putin say that there will be consequences after allowing ukraine to attack the territory. russian federation as a long-range western weapon, what does he mean, what consequences can there be for the world, and what is the decision of the united kingdom of great britain. states of america to hit the territory of the russian federation with atakams and storm shadow missiles? there will be no consequences for these countries and for europe. russia, i

can clearly state, means the deep potential of all of russia and its leadership. today, there is no potential to fight with nato countries. therefore, the consequences of such in terms of the war with the surpluses, with the poles, who really appear members, definitely won't be. the only thing they have today... as a factor that they keep talking about is nuclear weapons, which they keep saying is a red line, that's giving them a strike capability, and they can use tactical ballistic weapons, i emphasize again, in accordance with international agreements and through the same channels of the same intelligence, birch, naryzhkeel, along the lines of the pentagon and the ministry of defense of russia, between belarus and austin, clearly defined priorities will be deployed, neither tactical means nor even more so strategic, we are definitely targeting your objects, and they are constantly seeded in the online system of all russian objects, this will be

a powerful counterattack, there will be no prospects here, so russia will continue to threaten, creating these red lines, so that we do not our american and british colleagues did not agree, but they are simply not ready and will not be able to apply it, because it is the end for russians, americans and everyone who lives on earth. the simulation of a nuclear war situation, which i conducted several times in washington, watched practically in online movie mode, will destroy humanity, that's why putin knows it, sinzipin also watched this film, he is clearly oriented to what will happen in the future, and putin and his entourage are not suicides, someone says, but no, he is ready there, no, he is afraid to let anyone in even at a distance , we remember, even due to covid, and now there is a three-part security from different departments so that they do not collude, so eh... will carry out what they will give permission, we will strike, but a very small number of these rockets, atakams, stromshedov and skaltki, today the alternative,

i emphasize once again, we emphasize very strongly attention only to foreign aid and giving permission, our drones are hundreds of times more, if we have 350, already 500, we say, drones that can cover all these launchers, airfields, warehouses. logistics centers, it will be 100 times better and further up to 200 km than atakamsya, thank you, thank you, mr. general, it was mykola malamush, the former head of the foreign intelligence service of ukraine. friends, we continue to work live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are currently watching us live on youtube and facebook, please vote in our poll. today we ask you this, do you expect biden's endorsement? of zelenskyi's victory plan, literally next week zelenskyi is flying to the united states of america, the un general assembly will be held there, and within the framework of this general assembly

zelenskyi expects to meet with the president of the united states of america, so everything is quite simple on youtube, either yes or no, and if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote also on 0 800 211 381, if you are an optimist and hope for approval. but not zelensky's victory plan, 0800-211382, all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. next, we have oleg hrybachuk, head of the center for joint actions, ex-vice prime minister for european integration and former head of yushchenko's presidential office, mr. oleg, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today, good evening, thank you for the invitation. let's start with the victory plan, which no one has seen yet, but which the president's team has been announcing for a long time zelenskyi and for president zelenskyi himself, he said that

literally today, our victory plan is completely ready, all points and details have been determined, now it is important to implement it with determination. yesterday, in an evening video message, zelenskyi announced a strong military content of the victory plan, let's listen to what the supreme commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine said. the first meeting on the military content of our victory plan for ukraine worked together with the military command, prepared a good, strong content for the military package of exactly what can significantly strengthen ukraine in accordance with the victory plan. mr. oleg, you are an expert and an experienced person, a person who knows very well. american politics and american politicians, were you involved in the creation of this victory plan, do you know about its content and what exactly should be in this victory plan, since it is not only

zelensky's victory plan. of the entire ukrainian state, well, not me, i think that there is no one there from civil society, i have strong doubts that they were involved, not only that, i can say that they were not all the political forces in ukraine, i heard the speeches of the people's deputies, can say that they were involved, respectively, even from the party of the government, i think, well, maybe maryana, but you see, she was transferred to another committee, she will be more . in foreign affairs, by the way, so wait a little longer, yes, yes, then she will probably strengthen the implementation of this plan, well, but if we are serious, then eh, yes, i had conversations and will continue, i am going there tomorrow for certain meetings, conferences, including american participants, international participants karl bilty, this is his

traditional club, and of course it will be discussed there, and i had meetings in kyiv with those americans, some who were at the yalta conference, then we simply exchanged opinions, but it is not about involvement, it is about this feeling, and the americans were interested in whether anyone in ukraine saw this plan, what we can say about it, my answer was that in fact we do not see this plan and cannot see it, we just imagine that there are certain components of it plan, you see you... and today what the president already said is completely ready, yesterday there was still 90%, then from various foreign sources, as is traditional in ukraine, we learn some features of this plan, the american side confirmed that it has already seen it, in a word, we see it there a lot of informational background that prepares public opinion for the fact that this is going to happen in washington now, the main

main expectations... or the main risks or i don't know this plan in that its success actually depends solely on the support or of not supporting president biden, and something tells me that we will hear from the administration of president biden, something like how trump was asked by the moderators at his debate, with kamala harris, if he supports the victory of ukraine, he said that... that he supports peace in ukraine, and something tells me that it is possible that when there is a direct question whether president biden fully supported zelenskyi's plan there, he will talk about the fact that he has always supported and will support ukraine, that's how i am, i have something such is the feeling of so that you remember the americans who have already confirmed that they have seen the peace plan or zelensky's victory plan, the permanent representative of the united states of america at

the un lind. thomas greenfield says that the president's plan is indeed already on the table somewhere in washington, let's hear what she said. we have seen president zelensky's peace plan. we think it has a strategy and a vision that can be implemented, and we need to see how we can facilitate that by talking to all the heads of state who will be here in new york, so again, we hope to achieve some progress, this is what we are doing here, you, mr. olezh, also mentioned various international publications that write about the fact that in this plan of victory, lemon today wrote about what zelensky hopes to receive from joseph biden's invitation for ukraine to join

nato. before the president of the united states of america, biden, leaves the white house. this is part of the victory plan he will present in washington. whether or not this could be part of this grand plan to win, given that this is a difficult enough decision, and biden, if he will voice it or somehow articulate it, then it is extremely obvious in order to play some role in the pre-election campaign of vice president kamala harris or not? but there are risks here, because it is the involvement of the united states in the third world war, this is the card that trump and his vice president are increasingly using, they are talking about it directly, and and and trump's last interview that he, he does not sure that china or russia are enemies, he does not see them as enemies,

and obviously he will try. not irritate.