to nato, that is, the statement should be made at the end of biden's presidential term. mr. serhiy, how do you perceive the fact that the plan for the victory of ukraine is known only to a few people, is it the necessity of wartime, maybe there is something secret, or is it possible that it is connected with the fact that the ukrainians, who are actually going to victory and leading ukraine to victory, they should not know this, well, you see, we are with you now. we are commenting on the victory plan, which we have not seen or read, although the media abroad, especially abroad, publish whole excerpts from this victory plan or entire theses, so we are in a difficult situation, but i will say how i perceive this victory plan, i perceive it as primarily a political document that ukraine is preparing in connection with the fact that in the west, in view of the american elections, they are preparing for ... such a big

geopolitical bargain around ukraine, and that there may be negotiations about some political nuances of the russian-ukrainian war, frankly speaking, for example, presidential candidate trump, and he will do it in the event of his election, about it frankly says, well, for example, scholz, the chancellor germany, other german, and politicians and not only german, and in this connection ukraine needs to have a political, i repeat political. position regarding these possible, or negotiations, or at least some discussions regarding the possible, well, i don't want to say a freeze, but at least that's how i would say a strategic pause in the russian-ukrainian war, that is, as a political position, it is obvious that a victory plan is needed, because it shows what ukraine is ready for, what it is not ready for, and what positions are fundamentally important for ukraine, if any a victory plan, then it seems to me that we need it if we expect from the victory plan... some calendar plan where

our victory on the battlefield will be clearly written, then of course this is very naive, and this cannot be at least because we we don't know with you, and that's right, all the nuances that are happening at the front, we don't know the distribution of forces, we don't know what's happening at the front, because a lot of it is a military secret, although, by the way, it's not a military secret for our international partners, so maybe they know sometimes more, but in any case... considering the fact that now the conditions of wartime, we cannot expect that we will be literally told where the ukrainian troops will attack and how they will go, it seems to me that this will only harm front, so if we expect such a concrete victory of the plan that we will read there and understand that when it will happen, then it is naive, but a political document is definitely needed, and when we talk about realistically, what will actually happen, then i think that it will be something mediocre, will be... political

vision of ukraine, but there will also be a political vision of the west, and it may differ from the ukrainian vision, if only because the western countries, all together, and each of them separately, protect their interests first of all, this is natural, they protect their interests, they care primarily about their own security, and they help ukraine now, because they understand that by helping ukraine, they strengthen their own security, but they will help ukraine only to the extent that it will not. harm or threaten their security, so they will certainly have their own vision of how the russian-ukrainian war should end or continue, and each country may have its own vision, well, for example, in great britain they are much more radical than, well, for example in germany, and when these interests are voiced in their plan, then surely there will be a realistic plan somewhere in the middle, well, of course, one must take into account what...

russia will do or not do, and it is also obvious that there will still be a very serious vector influence, this is china, or the global south, as we can see, it now affects the situation at the front, if only because it can and does buy russian energy carriers, and this gives russia the opportunity to survive and quite well, and it can buy weapons for this, even sometimes it can directly purchase some elements of weapons from the ky. therefore, of course, some position of china and the global south, well at least in the form of some individual countries, will be undermined, so we are now standing on the threshold of, for sure, such significant geopolitical negotiations, trades, diplomatic games, with conclusion, which we cannot predict now, but in any case , the ukrainian political position is needed for these negotiations, and if this is the way to perceive this victory plan, then, for sure, what is needed. but in

this case, if it is a political position, then of course it should be discussed publicly in ukraine, and because it is a ukrainian political position, and of course in the parliament, and then it will be more... presentable in the international arena to say that it is the position of ukraine, and not only there the position of individual politicians or the country's leadership. i think sooner or later it will definitely come to that, i am convinced that this plan one way or another, at least its political part will be made public in the coming days, we will have more information then. thank you, mr. serhiy, mr. vitaly, how do you feel about this victory plan, that is, if this plan is based, according to the presidential team, on the fact that... the main component is the assistance of the united states of america, as i understand it, military and political including. if this help is going to be something else, does that mean it's plan a, but besides plan a there can be plan b, and plan c, therefore, there is currently no such broad discussion

around this plan. we can't hear you, but what if. we say that this is the plan of ukraine, then accordingly it should be discussed in society, ukrainian society, it should be a consolidated plan of ukrainian society, it should be when the parliament, the president, civil society, the armed forces of ukraine speak with one voice, and this is the country's consolidated position, not zelenskyi's plan for that, zelenskyi's plan for victory, yes, if it is a political position, yes, it must first be a public one discussion in ukraine, bringing it to the international arena and presenting it there as an already consolidated position, at least a certain iteration of such a discussion should take place at least in the mode of records, but as far as i understand, no one in ukrainian society with any political forces it was not discussed by the parliament, not with the experts, and this is the first time

that there are leaks of insider information , so you should not have any exaggerated expectations from this. ukraine has a small enough corridor for maneuver, it is obvious that zelensky will try to include us in the event's agenda and offer a certain vision of his, how the event should act, whoever becomes the president of the united states or whatever the current situation is in europe, this is such an ideal situation when the event supports us , and with us is moving towards , as it were, some kind of end to the war and... a phase of positions favorable to ukraine, does not impose on us some point in the middle with a compromise on our part with the preservation of the interests of russia, but some sort of compromise, but with taking into account the ukrainian interest,

these are approximately the initial positions of the ukrainian authorities, which turn to western partners, it is also necessary for the elections in the united states to create a certain framework. for discussion, so that the topic of the ukrainian topic acquires a certain positive tone for kyiv, and does not become the topic of fierce fights between republicans and democrats, and does not have such a convenient appearance for both opposing camps, and this really makes some headway in this negotiation itch, which has now captured the majority. countries which are beginning to generate various negotiation plans, turkey, the vatican, australia, brazil, china are becoming more active, even lukashenko mentions that it is a platform for negotiations, kazakhstan

offers its services as a negotiator, so we constantly hear about these plans, constantly we are talking about the creation of some new possible cases, where would this negotiation... these negotiations could be dispersed and where some positions could be discussed separately, we see that the negotiations of small cases about the association about the exchange of prisoners are progressing quite effectively, and some negotiations are taking place in arab countries with the participation of mediators, whether this is an element of a large negotiating case or not, we cannot say clearly yet, since this information is not, no, no... in the public domain, we only hear rumors, some echoes, sytorska information, their interpretation, and again, in my opinion, zelenskyi's plan should have provided some kind of plan for the negotiation process, the creation of a general framework for negotiations, if we are really

ready for it. we hear from the president that the war must be stopped this year, we hear from of president zelensky that we are starting negotiations and are ready for a discussion with everyone, we hear from our officials or politicians. that it would be nice to invite russia to the negotiations, at least through an intermediary, we hear about a new iteration of negotiations with china, but somehow the framework of some kind of vision of a cross-coordinated some kind of food. we don't hear any idea about this negotiation process from our authorities, well, maybe this framework will appear in this speech, in this address called the victory plan, i hope so, although i am more of a realist here, what an optimist, well, let's wait for the presentation of this plan for victory in the united states of america, it will be literally in a week, and we'll see what zelensky will actually propose, i think that the western media will actively cover all this and the fact that... it is not only about the future of ukraine, but also of the whole world. friends, i am addressing those who

watch us on tv and on youtube and facebook platforms. please take part in our poll, today we ask you this, do you expect biden's approval of zelensky's victory plan? yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, either yes or no, separate opinion, please write your separate opinion in the comments below this video. if you watch us on tv, take it to rookma. background or phone and vote on the numbers 0800 211 381 yes no 0800 211 382 no and all calls to these numbers are free vote at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote, i remind you that today serhiy taran and vitaly kulyk are on the air, well and gentlemen, let's talk about what is happening in domestic politics, or rather domestic, the domestic economy, because today... this week the verkhovna rada of ukraine adopted in the first reading a draft law on raising

taxes in ukraine, money is needed for the budget of uah 500 billion for military needs, and the tax draft bill, i remind you that it foresees that the military levy will be increased from 15% to 5, taxes on the first and second groups of fops have been increased, and... gas station contributions, 1% on all forms of fops of the third group, 25% of the profit on the financial institution is increased, monthly reporting of personal income tax for economic booking and 50% tax on bank profits in 2024. at the same time, the parliament adopted a law on amendments to the customs code regarding the introduction of the certification of officials of customs authorities, which... is called the law on reloading the customs, it is expected that within a few years this should increase

the revenue to the budget by uah 100 billion. well , in fact, such decisions were adopted by the parliament, there is no final decision on taxes yet, but it is clear that we are talking about increasing tax pressure, on the back of this, mr. serhiu, why does the verkhovna rada of ukraine not consider issues, for example, regarding... the optimization of the state apparatus, which would be quite logical during the war, or the detinization of the economy, everyone has been talking about it for 30 years, but it all ends with the fact that taxes are increased for those who pay them, please, well, i think that the verkhovna rada chose a slightly wrong path, and in general, when we hear that... that taxes are being raised, we should not hear that this automatically means income to the budget,

because when taxes are raised too much and put too much pressure, then then business simply flows into that or from the country in general, especially during the war, so i don't know how the calculations for raising taxes were in the verkhovna rada, but in general i will allow myself to assume that in fact it would be logical at all. lower taxes now and create the best possible conditions for doing business in ukraine, especially during the war, because even now, during the war, business barely survives, the one that managed to stand on its feet, has not yet left the country, is still somehow working in these conditions, when there is no electricity and generally not the best conditions for running a business, to put it mildly, so business needs to be supported now, by reducing tax pressure, you may ask, but where does the money come from bro? and i gave you a very simple answer: we have

a very long-term dialogue with our western partners about supporting ukraine during the war. and we managed to agree on those things that seemed incredible to agree on there a year or two ago. it was very difficult to agree there, for example, there about airplanes, about missiles, but from time to time we see that it was possible to achieve success, and the west helped us with weapons, and even the one he didn't even want to give at the beginning. yes, if the west could provide us with high-quality and high-precision weapons and will continue to provide them, then surely it is not possible to agree on an increase in financial support for ukraine through the west. in order for ukrainian business to survive and thus a larger tax base would appear and more taxes would come into the budget due to the fact that there would simply be more business. i think it's a matter of negotiation, of course it's difficult to talk to the west about money, but it's definitely easier than talking to the west about guns, because guns are complicated a political decision, but to help

ukraine financially, i think it will be much easier for many western countries, because it is not about... weapons, it is not about striking long-range missiles, for example, deep into russia, so i think that it would be the correct strategy is to reduce taxes in ukraine, to increase the tax base in this way, it would be better for businesses to appear in ukraine, and the budget deficit to be covered by aid from the west, and this is normal, after all, there was a lot of support from the west and help us in the form of lendlease, then i think that the issue of financial lendlease, so to speak, was also a lot. it is easier to decide, this would be the right way, it requires, of course, very serious diplomatic work, but it is definitely a better way than simply treating the business that somehow still survives in ukraine. thank you, mr. serhiy, mr. vitaly, it is obvious that the increase in taxes for business will affect all citizens of ukraine, because entrepreneurs will

transfer their tax burden to the price of services and goods. and it is clear that for for all of us, taxpayers , the military levy is also increasing, not by much , by 3.5%, but it is also increasing, in your opinion, was there any other way for shmyhal's government and in general for president zelenskyi's team, rather than raising taxes, and well , maybe this is a necessity during the war, that is... to fill the budgets, to understand that the army still needs to be maintained and financed. a phrase from a famous cartoon is mentioned here, and those who survive will see , those who die, yes, this is about business, those who survive will pay taxes, they will dawn on those who

covered their fops, because raising these taxes really does not just kill. the forgiven system, it drives it into the shadows, and we already see it during our research of the deep people, we see that a parallel system of relations is formed, that people simply leave the regulation, formally close the fop, and do not register anywhere, carry out such semi-legal activities , if conducted, all economic indices, the level of entrepreneurship there, the freedom of entrepreneurship have already scaled to zero, business. business association such as manifesto 42 simply screams about the impossibility of doing business in conditions of terror, which the controlling authorities use against economic objects, that is, by and large , the situation is approaching a direct confrontation between business and the government as such, this is already

a challenge, and the further , then the situation. will only get worse, was there another way, and there was no other way, because the other way was not just discussed, we have one philosopher of taxes, and the idea of ​​fiscalization of any economic processes is now the main ideology of the adoption of any management decisions in the economic sphere, that is, we raise taxes, we drive them to the maximum, we fiscalize all processes, and we try to tax everything that can be taxed and cannot be taxed, if we could, then... we taxed the air, because people breathe and have to pay taxes. this, strictly speaking, is the logic of mr. heitmantsev, which is being implemented now in the activity, and this reform is also its consequence of this very philosophy of maximum fiscalization, but there are sources of sources. and what you said in to your question about officials, the official apparatus, i would like to remind you that

we can talk about the fact that our civil servants have decreased to a certain extent, but... public servants, not civil servants, but people who work in institutions, in the periphery of the ministry departments is the main problem, and it happens there, the most blood clots collect somewhere, and in general, if we evaluate the number of civil servants, public servants, local self-government and civil service in ukraine, then i will remind you that in 1991, when we became an independent country , having a population of 52 million. per 1,000 citizens of ukraine we had 1.3 officials, 1.3, in 2014 we had 7.3 officials per... thousand citizens of ukraine with a population reduction of 10 million people, now we have on average, this is so far that the preliminary conclusions are about 8.3 officials per 1,000 people, despite

the fact that our population has decreased again, yes, that is, the population is decreasing, the number of officials is increasing, how can this be in a country that is also at war, that is suffering from shortages budget funding, of course that we should optimize the management vertical, of course, that the number of officials should be reduced. well , what can this misunderstanding lead to in society? well, first of all, dissatisfaction and a sense of injustice are growing, a lack of injustice is the main thing that destroys the society, destroys the state, a situation is created when people go into the depths, this phenomenon of the depth of the people who do not communicate with this state appears, hence there is distrust in the decision-making system, decisions, non-acceptance of institutions, and... accordingly, distrust of the political leadership and in some cases direct sabotage, despite the fact that the people who do this are not agents of russia, it is not us

of the russian pso, it is really the activity in the benches or the inaction of the current authorities that drive people into this the most profound people, by destroying the simplified system of taxation, by destroying the system of personnel training and labor force, and and... and similar things, thank you, mr. vitaly, mr. serhiy, what do you think, here is this demand for justice, which has always been in ukrainian society, that's why we actually had protest actions on the maidan, because there is always a question of justice, justice is always there, according to your question, is there justice in ukraine now, well, in connection with taxes in particular, you know, when it comes to... about law and justice is such a very delicate game, because for each justice it will be its own story, i will say what there is a request for,

it seems to me, is much more important now, it is for the clarity of the rules, for the transparency of the laws and for the implementation of these laws, that is there is a huge measure for this, if there is a law adhere to, be followed by everyone and it will work, it will create opportunities for both business and all citizens, and then a sense of justice will appear. because there is one law for all, but this is not the case now, and we feel this very acutely, in particular, in the fact that there is an understanding in business that all issues are solved at their expense, there is also an understanding that the opportunities to earn and live are now much more there is less in ukraine than it was, and at the same time they are still raising taxes, so this creates this feeling that, well, not just mistrust of the authorities there or the government, here it is much worse, here... creates distrust in the state itself during the war, this is the worst story that can happen now, and it seems to me that this is something that the authorities should think about now, before they make

such decisions. thank you, mr. serhiy, and finally, gentlemen, i would like to ask you about this whole story with the dismissal of kudrytskyi from the position of head of ukrenergo, because he explained it by systematic pressure on the campaign's supervisory board. let's listen to what kodrytsky said. and well, it was ascertained that it was the case for the company there is a lot of pressure, and obviously this pressure is connected with the desire to change the management of the company, in my recent interview i disclosed who, in my opinion, is the initiator of this process, this is the ministry. which since the 21st year, as a matter of fact, has been constantly trying with greater or lesser intensity to achieve

this sacral, obviously for them, goal of changing the management of the company there, and the supervisory board made a decision, well, literally 10 seconds at a time, we don't have much time, sir vitaly, as far as i'm concerned, kudrytskyi should not be filmed what he is accused of, that's about... covering, in my opinion, it should be asked about the alliance bank and the kolomoiskyi company, that is, there were many stories that korytskyi does not talk about in his interview, but it would be nice to ask, thank you, mr. sergey, now we see that we all finally missed the pre-war situation, when each personnel appointment could be discussed much more seriously and had serious political discussions, and so are all personnel appointments. program, thank you

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