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yesterday, in his address , zelenskyi said that the plan for the victory of ukraine is completely ready. it is known that the president will speak at the meeting of the un security council regarding the end of the war. he must present this plan for the victory of ukraine to the current president joseph biden and the presidential candidates kamala harris and donald trump. and there are certain such, you know, rumors, relatively speaking, about what is in this plan. zelensky expects that ukraine will become a member of nato by the end of this year, and as you know right away, well, this is unreliable information, you should not accept it, i explain, it is impossible, even if you want to, well , i don’t know who invents such a stupid thing that we we can become a member of nato by the end of the year, that's for it the procedure is impossible, and this is exactly the sign that it is a fake, a fake is spreading, an outright fake, well, let's check it, as we will know in detail. plan, but let's say it, mr.

volodymyr, what do you think, will the presidential candidates and indeed the president of the united states have the will to implement this victory plan, because i kind of suspect they might not like some of the points, look, well, of course , everything is never fully perceived, i think that this is taken into account, and as it often happened to us in communication with our american partners, not only... we always ask for more and in a larger volume in order to get what is necessary. this is already a traditional tactic, and it, well, in most cases it works quite effectively. in any case, during the 2.5 years of the war , we saw this many times, when we were initially told no to heavy weapons, anti-aircraft defense, tanks, and f-16s, and then finally solved the problem. yes, that's why everything is normal. if this is likely

to be the case, some of the points will be accepted immediately and there will be decisions on some points, some of the items will say, okay, they will be in the works, the decision will be tomorrow, or they will be implemented tomorrow, and some of the items will be later, for various reasons, or congress has to vote, or it will be decided by the new president of the united states, or it has to be decided after war, and here i will say about nato right away, from what the president said, for example, the interview with farid zakaria, where he revealed so little that this should be a plan, in terms of content, four main points and one additional one after the war, yes here is my prediction, a point to be decided later the end of the war, this is precisely the point about nato, why did i immediately react like that, i’m sorry, you know, the reaction was sharp, well, because, well, listen, you don’t need to accept everything that is written in some western media... no, but there is a lot

what they write, things that do not correspond to reality, sometimes there are pro-russian narratives, sometimes outright fakes, sometimes just a desire, you know, hype, to grab the hype. to declare something so sensational there in order to attract the attention of readers, everything must be checked, everything from our side, and from theirs as well, that is why it is impossible to become a member of nato by the end of the year, i will just remind, for those who do not know, this is a long procedure, there may be an invitation, and some western media are not writing about membership in nato, but about an invitation, that zelensky allegedly wants to receive an invitation from biden, well, theoretically yes, but that's the question. it was logical to decide back in july, when the nato summit was held, and then it was absolutely obvious, clear to everyone, and the ukrainian side knew it very well, that ukraine would not be invited to nato while the war was going on, it was clear even at the vilnius summit and was

it is clear even before the washington summit in nato, then the invitation cannot be from the us president alone. he can express his personal. but this is not an invitation, the invitation may be from the alliance, and not from the president of the usa, so the father also shows that those who write either do not know the procedure, or let's say this, are frankly just engaged in spreading fakes. in addition, if an official invitation appears, as was the case in the 22nd year, in the case of finland and sweden, after that a complicated procedure begins, when each nato country must agree. consent to membership, with finland it took almost a year, and with sweden it took up to two years, because turkey and hungary, well, did not give their consent, but they only gave this

consent not so long ago, and in the end sweden became a member of the alliance, but it lasted for about two years, this is the situation, and we will also have to go through all these stages, so it is impossible. to become a member in a few months , please tell me what is your version, i will just finish the point about nato with a high probability in this plan, but it is just that item 4+1, that item that will be after the war, most likely, this is my assumption, my hypothesis, most likely this is the item that will be decided after the end of the war, accordingly, it will not be decided by biden, but by the new the president of the usa, and biden can express his... opinion, his personal opinion that ukraine should become a member of nato, he calls on other colleagues to make the appropriate decision. mr. volodymyr, look, many ukrainians are very interested in why the victory plan appears now only in almost the third year of a full-scale war,

i explain why the president did not prepare this earlier, i explain why it is called the victory plan, and what kind of plan it is, zelensky said when he announced this plan, at the end. at a big press conference, he said what is his goal, what are his specifics, it is ours, it is not a plan of military strategy, it is not a plan of military victory, no, he is leading this plan in the united states, and these are our proposals to american partners , about what they can do to strengthen the military-political potential of ukraine, weaken russia, and force russia to negotiate the end of war, that's the purpose of this plan, that's why it's... suggestions for the americans, what they should do, why this idea appeared, what it's related to, why that name, i, by the way, i've already publicly expressed, i consider the name not completely deleted, well, because it creates an inflated expectation, and your words

confirm this, but the names did not appear by chance, the fact is that when the us congress passed a law on aid to ukraine in april of this year, then congress... the republicans included in this law a provision, a requirement for president biden that he presented, and i quote here: a plan for ukraine to win over russia with the help of the usa, it was done on purpose, in this way the republican congressmen demonstrated that biden has no strategy, a strategy to support ukraine in order for ukraine to win this war, such hard trolling, then they actually drove him into a corner, in the conditions of the election campaign, they demanded from him to present a sufficiently specific, clear plan, what the biden administration plans to do for ukraine, because there was no such plan in fact, it’s already there, i think, they are was used for the purposes of the pre-election campaign, and since such a plan did not appear

in the summer, as required by law, it allegedly appeared due to the information of some media, but there is no official confirmation, the white house allegedly handed over to... some document, in the form of this plan, the ukrainian side decided to play ahead of the curve, without waiting for ... economically, diplomatically, yes, i think that this is an absolutely correct strategy, especially in the conditions of the election campaign, and that is why this plan will be presented, and zelenskyi said this at the end of august, will be presented to biden, well, because some points of this... plan should be decided in the near future at times, and this can be done by his administration. this plan will be presented

to the two candidates for the post of president of the usa, trump and kamala harris, because from the point of view of political ethics, we have, and not only ethics, but also the pragmatic interests of ukraine and of our principle of maintaining bipartisan support for ukraine in the us, we have to present to both candidates so that there is no, you know, perception that we are supporting someone. yes, we are ignoring someone, no, we need to work with both trump and kamala garis in different ways, with different tactics, but the document is the same, we just need to explain differently how we need to be supported, why, for example, biden trump wants negotiations with russia, okay, but it is necessary to explain the key idea of ​​this plan, how to force russia to negotiate and what negotiations on the part of ukraine must be conducted from a position of strength, and therefore ukraine must first be... strengthened, by the way, at the altyn european strategy conference , mike pompeo, the former us secretary of state, said

exactly that, that ukraine must be strengthened first, and then start negotiations, and congress will be presented with this plan, so this is , in principle, a logical strategy for how to act now at the current stage of us interaction, this is a response to the american situation, to the specifics of, let's say, the confrontation between republicans and democrats, but since it is about the topic of ukraine and our interests, we are acting in advance, this is active diplomacy, and these are the right actions. mr. volodymyr, many ukrainians are also now afraid that if trump wins, then everything will be over for us, trump will give us to the russians and so on. although you have already mentioned mike pompeo, and it is very correct that you mentioned him, the other day he gave an interview to some media persons in ukraine, and he began to explain his point of view on the contrary, well, he is a republican. yes, and accordingly it is clear that he will defend the republicans and say that they were more effective in helping ukraine than how

the democrats are helping now. but it 's up to you, what do you think, if and when, if trump becomes president, that would be a very bad scenario for us. well, look, in fact, there are risks associated with trump, and there are certain problems associated with, for example, the current administration, well, i already mentioned why this provision appeared in the law. which was decided to support ukraine, and because, well, unfortunately, we ourselves see the situation, for example, with permission to use american missiles for strikes on russian territory, there is no such permission, the same american administration with the question of inviting ukraine to nato, well, it is about a delayed invitation, that is, the invitation can be now, and the decision can be already after the end of the war, but... so that nato does not get involved in war against russia, but all the same, very reserved, very cautious

position of president biden, according to f16, this position was for quite a long time, but in the end biden agreed, well, this is the specificity of biden, he is a very cautious politician, and he, too , his administration, they believe that ukraine should be helped, it will be the same in your opinion, it will also be the same, but this is how i conclude, yes, but so that ukraine does not lose the war, on... everything is not enough, we need to win this war, but not to lose it, not just to not lose it. kamala harris, well, she will continue the policy of supporting ukraine. and this position was declared at the congress of the democratic party, when it was nominated as a presidential candidate. but, well, it is too early to say what exactly the style of her foreign policy will be, there is a discussion, she will be more decisive than biden or the same, we do not know, but that is why we need to work with... explain why we need to strengthen the position of support for ukraine. as for

trump, you mentioned pompeo, pompeo also had publications, in the usa, and speeches in ukraine, not for the first time, but not only pompeo, he is a prominent figure in the republican party, he was also the director of the cia, and secretary of state under trump, but, for example, heads of specialized committees of the lower house of the us congress, republicans. the committees on foreign policy, on defense, on development, the republicans are the leaders there, and they are in favor of strengthening support for ukraine, they are precisely criticizing biden for insufficient support for ukraine. and... but there is also an opposite camp among the republicans, for example, the candidate for vice president jay vance, he expressed his peace plan, which actually means concessions towards ukraine, towards russia, concessions from ukraine. and, well, this plan is unacceptable for us, and by the way, what is telling is that at the altyn european strategy conference, both pompeo, a republican, and

a representative of the current us administration, jake salevan, biden's aide on the issue. of security both criticized vance's plan, but the republicans have a camp that is generally against supporting ukraine and in favor of ending the current war quickly at any cost, and that is why we need to work with trump, we need to convince trump that you can't just to end this war and that if we go to negotiations, as trump wants, he really wants negotiations, then we must first strengthen the position of ukraine in order to conduct negotiations. speaks from a position of strength, and not, let's say, play on putin's conditions, that is exactly what, by the way, pompeo and a whole number of experts, including in the republican party, call for, and that is why it is necessary to work with ba and with biden, with kamala harris, with trump, simply making corrections for the specifics of their thinking, the specifics of their political positions thank you volodymyr

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signatures, tell me, please, how is the collection of signatures going, do you communicate with people's deputies, what is the feedback and in general, how is this case progressing? well, i'll start from the beginning, i'll start with the context for today's residents, for example, the city of bahmud, which is completely destroyed, which we see. from a drone, residents of mariupol, residents of luhansk, kherson regions, cities that are under temporary occupation, people whose housing is there, they cannot apply and receive compensation, because the commission cannot physically go to these places, but the team our the association of young idps developed a mechanism that became a bill that was submitted by european solidarity factions to the parliament, it was supported in the first reading, we are creating a compensation mechanism. housing for internally displaced persons, that is, we equate all the housing that is in the temporarily occupied territories with the destroyed one, so that people get relief. as i have already said, the bill was supported in the first reading, and

before the second reading, the team of our association of young idps is conducting an all-ukrainian action on collection of live signatures. our goal is to collect 25,000 signatures. so far, more than 17,000 have already been collected. across ukraine, we have 400 volunteers who do street actions that work. with internally displaced persons, not only in counters, in places of temporary residence, and i would like to use the air of your channel to thank all the volunteers for collecting signatures, before the second reading we will bring 25 thousand of them to the people's deputies so that they see that this bill is very important for people affected by war because we see now the trend is that the ministry of reintegration of the temporarily occupied is actually liquidating it, joining it to the ministry of regional development, we believe that this is not correct, because, of course, i was

a big critic of the company. vereshchuk, her works, her ministry teams, however, you cannot bury the mine if the miners do not work efficiently enough, so now 5 million people need it, i remind you that internally displaced people, according to official data, 5 million people need system solutions now, already the time when it was necessary to issue has passed humanitarian aid and so on. and with iryna varyschuk, do you communicate and in general, what is the possible feedback from work, from her work in a new position? uh, no, we don’t communicate, this person is in a new position recently, i don’t know whether to consider it a promotion or not, but i want to change the personnel, but the work of the ministry of reintegration in recent years wants the best, because no systemic decisions have been made return of ukrainians who are in the temporarily occupied territories, according to unofficial data, 130,000

ukrainians went back. therefore temporary occupation, there were no systemic decisions on crediting, there were no systemic decisions on housing compensation, therefore , unfortunately, we did not have enough feedback from the ministry of reintegration, and i believe that now there are statements from public organizations of a coalition of public organizations such as the east -sos, crimea sos, regarding the fact that the ministry cannot be liquidated, the ministry needs a separate strategy in... communication with the public, communication with internally displaced persons, but it cannot be liquidated in any case, therefore what about us, then the state will signal to these people that it refuses to reintegrate the temporarily occupied territories, and this, by the way , contradicts the peace formula of volodymyr zelenskyi, well , we should create a ministry for the return of ukrainians for this, what do you think, by the way, this ministry will help in some way? with the

issues that are now faced by internally displaced persons and those who were forced to go again to where there is an occupation? well, the ministries of the institution can be called in different ways, but look, there are two, there are two at all different problems, these are ukrainians who went abroad and ukrainians who are in the temporarily occupied territory, these are completely different problems, completely different communication, especially on security issues, especially on specific issues, we have to fight. for the people, of course, the initiatives for the return of ukrainians, they are strategically important, but these are two completely different problems, and we, our team, believe that the ministry of reintegration cannot be liquidated in any case, and just before the ministry of reintegration, perhaps, and it could cooperate with the ministry of return in ukrainka, but this is all under the ministry of regions, subordinate it, well, it will not be effective enough, because the ministry

of regional development has... completely different powers, a completely, completely different development strategy, it is completely different. thank you. arkady petrosyan, head of the association of young idps of ukraine. he was in direct contact with us and we talked about the initiative, namely the draft law 11161 on compensation for destroyed housing for internally displaced persons, and so far we have already collected more than 17,000 signatures, but as arkady explained. petrosyan , people in ukraine, for example, who now have a problem with the fact that russia destroyed their houses, can apply for restoration, but those who have homes in temporarily occupied territories cannot apply for restoration. can do so in order to restore their housing, but in the meantime, the european parliament called on the relevant states that are part of the european union to immediately lift the restrictions on strikes by western weapons against targets on the territory of ukraine.

of the russian federation, well, in general, there will be more news in our next issue, right? so we will pass the floor to our colleague anieva melnyk, she and the news editor have already managed to prepare a selection of fresh information for you and me. congratulations, friend. we pass on the word and ask you to share with us what you will talk about. thank you for your work, the news editor will continue to work, we will tell you about the most important things, in particular about iryna's case. stay with us, all the details are below. six people were injured in the attack russians in kupyansk, kharkiv oblast. according to the prosecutor's office of the region in the morning.