you mentioned the means of fishing, to what extent are our needs, the needs of your brigade, provided by these means of technical countermeasures, in which means do you need, or do you need, let's say, support from society for your brigade to purchase such means? look, the increase in the number of drones, unfortunately, we have to state. the fact that fpv is quite such a not inexpensive means of impression, but very effective, so their number is much greater than the means of reb, it is physical, and this logic can be explained, so it is desirable that in every unit and on every vehicle, armored vehicle, there was already a means of reb, so we will get these means, but i say, the enemy is rapidly modernizing, therefore... in matters of

reconfiguration, preparation, and staffing for additional means or additional modules with appropriate frequencies, it takes some time, this time is very precious, that's why we actively involved society, citizens in meetings and we are helped by volunteers and all caring people, because rep means is really every preservation. for the life and health of each of our servicemen. mr. vitaly, i wanted to ask if it is possible in those conditions, when voro drops cabs there, uses artillery, to somehow strengthen his fortification positions there, or is it actually almost impossible in such conditions, and one must use what is available polybattle in the form of certain structures that remain in the areas defended by your brigade, well, despite the fact that the enemy uses cabs and... large-caliber artillery at a long

range, we are simply obliged and to be reinforced and makes it possible to build fortifications and dugouts and trenches, that is, all these engineering measures of engineering training are carried out in cities, regardless of the conditions. and finally , i would like to ask about the specifics of the training of young fighters who enter your brigade, the national guard, because usually. i have always heard that the period of initial training there is guaranteed to be 3 months, and this is sometimes more than now in the armed forces, does everything go smoothly after that, the additional training of soldiers who come to brigades are already in the brigade itself, so that they really honed those skills or heard advice from older, experienced comrades that would really save their lives and allow them to destroy the enemy more effectively, well, as for recruiting and mobilization... events for the national

guard, this is happening in our country in the following way: regarding our brigade in the city of zaporizhzhia, the point of permanent deployment, post-recruiting is organized in each district in tsnapa, that is, our representatives constantly communicate with everyone who wants to, explain the conditions of passing the service, specifics, conditions, tasks assigned to the team, after which documents are sent for approval. to the military commissariat, and a person is called up specifically for us, for our need and for the position that we have offered, and in which position we can most rationally use what skills, even if he was not involved in military life, after that they are sent to the training centers of the national guard, where the course of initial basic military training takes place, this general military course, i.e.... all basic

primary skills are acquired there, already after arrival and distribution to the unit, our instructors, who also manage the brigade, the combat and special training section, the planning section, and each battalion has a department of instructors, these are experienced professional sergeants and officers who have direct combat experience took part in all assault actions, that is, they already then conduct additional training on the ground and in accordance with the specifics of the unit in which a serviceman who has just arrived in the unit will be involved. mr. officer, thank you very much for these explanations, for your service and the service of your brothers who protect our state, i will remind our viewers that this was an officer of the 15th brigade of the operational assignment of the karad national guard, major vitaly milovidov. this brigade maintains the defense in the most difficult direction, this is exactly

the direction, selidovo, ukrainian, we can see that the officers and the brigade are determined to destroy the enemy as much as possible and not to concede their positions, that's how ... were the main ones highlights of this day, vasyl zima will continue the broadcast, so stay tuned to the espresso channel. thank you serhiy, thank you to his guest, these were the military results of the day, we continue, and before we start the conversation with the guest that we have in the studio today, i will call on you to continue reporting on the needs of the armed forces of ukraine. i remind you that we are collecting 3.5 million hryvnias. which i will remind you of right now. the espresso tv channel and the vesna charitable fund continue fundraising for the purchase of modern drones and electronic warfare systems for the third separate assault brigade, and also for the 110th and 47th mechanized brigades of the armed forces of ukraine. our soldiers in the donetsk direction every day hold back enemy

attacks, defend our freedom and future. it was these soldiers who stood to the last and defended the avdiiv direction in the spring, you can see all the details on the screen, join in, and at the end of the issue. i will tell you how much we have already managed to collect, our goal is uah 3.5 million. well, today we will discuss some politically scandalous topics as well as historical moments, and amazing metamorphoses in the decisions of the verkhovna rada of ukraine, which yesterday did not support decolonization for some reason, but today decided to support it. volodymyr yatrovych, people's deputy of ukraine, is with us. mr. volodymyr, i congratulate you. good evening. blocking the grandstand yesterday, we talked about it on air. a scandalous story with the fact that for some reason... there were not enough votes to decommunize 333, if i'm not mistaken, the names of districts, villages, towns, and cities there, and to forget forever the russian, soviet and colonial-colonial past. today, the voices were found, what are the names

and why was the decision actually made approved? well, first of all, it is necessary to understand that the voting of this resolution was mandatory, it is stipulated by the law that was adopted in the parliament. back in 2023, this is the law on decolonization, on decolonization, this law received the required number of votes and is already an effective law, and this law provided that from april of this year , the renaming of settlements whose names contain russian imperial symbols, unfortunately , it took us a very long time to ensure that this resolution, which was allowed by the committee, finally got into agenda, yesterday it finally got on the agenda, but unfortunately, we witnessed a palpable lack of understanding of the importance of this step among the majority of people's deputies, accordingly, we received only 208 votes. it is undeniable that among those who did not vote, there are a number of those who are principled supporters of the russian measure, although perhaps they do not articulate it now, but the majority

believed that this issue was unimportant, that no one would pay much attention to it, so actually this caused our reaction to block, it seems to me that this blocking worked, it showed... that there are those forces in the parliament who understand the importance of this kind of thing, and who are ready to fight for it, so a conciliation council was convened, the need for this resolution to be slightly modified was discussed five of the most hotly debated localities were removed, but nevertheless it will be put back on the agenda, and it was finally voted on today, so i'm sure we did the right thing yesterday to reverse that block. attention to the fact that this decolonization, the processes of decolonization are incredibly important for a country that is at war with the former empire, and which were the most discussed, well, those who carried us out, these are precisely five places, pervomaisk, southern, yuzhnoukrainian, that is, this

the ones that will not be that they won't be renamed, that's not the point, it's the ones that, about which there will still be discussions about their new names, right? there is an idea about south ukrainian translation, but unfortunately, we again see certain apprehensions of some of these new names, well, but in any case, it seems to me that today we have overcome one of the most difficult problems, it is indifference, that is, it has become... it is clear, at least to a part of the parliament, that there is a sufficient number of those people who do not care about this, and still it is better to pay attention to it, to vote in order to move on, so today, in fact, i believe that we have taken an important, albeit first, but important step on the way to further decolonization of ukraine. i somehow lost sight of this one

topic, i have been following this for a long time, especially when we were in lviv, and about the renaming of the city of chervonograd in the lviv region, there were proposals to rename it. on sheptytskyi, now even in tiktok there is such a famous character, mr. roman, and there he has such a series, called the bandit sheptytskyi, well, it’s like that, but, but it’s already so interesting, it sounds funny, and well, the features are characteristic there. local flavor, so to speak, albeit in a humorous way, and there history somehow shifted, she decided, actually today it has been renamed everything, yes, today chervonograd was renamed sheptytskyi, this was also a subject of discussion, but in the end the committee, and the community there , the community was divided, the community was divided, there was a part of people who insisted that chervonograd could not be renamed, that in fact, there is a contradiction of the law, it should have been renamed, the community was divided into three camps of those. those who believed that it should not be renamed, those who believed that the historical nose should be returned to krystynopil and those who believed that it

should be whisper. in the end, obviously , the sedimentary ones were more convincing and on the committee, which is actually this platform for this kind of discussions, this name was chosen based on the recommendations of the ukrainian institute of national memory. well, that's all, then i congratulate the residents of the city of sheptytskyi and 227 residents there, if i'm not mistaken. yes, and the residents of shiptytskyi district are really welcome with a new name, well, i hope that on the issue, in particular, the south ukrainians, no, i understand that people are used to love, well, at least then let it will be ukrainian and south-ukrainian, a wonderful name, nothing here , by the way, there will be resolutions on renaming, and part of the resolutions will relate to bringing the names in line with the norms of the ukrainian language, because unfortunately, in reality, there are a lot of names on the map , which are just russianisms, huh. well, and now the topics that caused concern, in some moments caused

simply misunderstanding, this should be clarified, because these are statements made by the minister of our foreign affairs, our partners, our partnership, of a friendly, brotherly country, poland, ah, radoslav sikorskyi, the first thing that concerns, well, such an empirical thing, but it is voiced, if and... voiced by a politician of such a high level, well, he probably has reasons to talk about it , there were obviously some prerequisites, so mr. sekorskyi said that he, now, just for a second, so that i don't lie, but quote, this is what he stated at the 20th annual meeting of the yaalton european strategy in kyiv, and that crimea is of key importance , if the terms of peace will be discussed between ukraine and russia, in particular, he proposed to transfer the peninsula under the mandate of the united nations organization for the preparation of a referendum. this is despite the fact that the president of the republic of turkey recep tayyip erdoğan said that

crimea should be ukrainian, that is, if we hear from the president of the republic of turkey, who have historical ties with crimea, there are some, frankly sometimes an ally of putin, some ask, but even here they say no, i think this is a very strange statement, especially strange that it is a minister's statement of foreign affairs of poland, for me personally it is particularly strange that this is a statement by the minister of foreign affairs. of poland, radisław sikorski, whom i respected as a person with great diplomatic experience, as a person who understands what russia is, a person who understands what the international legal system is, and it is strange to me that it was this person who proposed this proposal, which essentially destroys this international legal system, because what is the mandate of the un, what are the un troops, what, he cannot but understand that such a proposal, well, puts him under. territorial doubt the integrity of ukraine, nevertheless, he considers it normal, acceptable to announce

such things, especially, it is strange, you know, to hear this from a polish politician, as from a representative of this or that country, which also suffered, you know, from that expressed some territorial claims, occupied its territories, the three divisions of poland, the situation with gdańsk, which was also allegedly under some international mandate, let's name it. how it all ended for poland, so there is some kind of, well, if it didn't concern ukraine, it's possible there was talk of some kind of irony, but unfortunately, i see it as a kind of erosion of its international political system, if, if, if it will be, they will somehow try to implement it, but even the very fact of voicing such a thesis surprises me. first of all, it is not clear what it is, well, we saw alleged un troops and un interventions when there was... the war in the former yugoslavia , ukrainian troops, these are the troops of some countries

, these are the troops of some country, the un does not have its own army and in principle it was conceived in order not to have an army, that is, the concept of what this is a sub-mandate of the un. the second question is also very important here, but now the russians are bringing in the occupied territory of ukraine, which was newly occupied during the full-scale invasion, i won't say millions, i don't know, i don't have exact data, although they say about more than a million residents of the russian federation, this zaporizhzhya region, this is mostly the donetsk region, this is the kherson region, well, mariupol is oversaturated with them, residents of the russian federation, and also during the occupation, this is... 2014, in fact there since the spring of 2014, and i think that no, one a hundred thousand ethnic russians were brought to crimea, they were brought throughout, yes, and then the question was how, well, it’s the same as now, relatively speaking, in mazovia, as there, and this is their voivodeship, to bring 300,00 russians

ethnic and rabies, let's hold it, it's not for me now, it's just conditional that... they didn't think that we were encroaching here, no, absolutely, we respect the territorial integrity and sovereignty of poland, but i'm just saying, here we are we import 3,000 russians and say, let's hold a referendum, this is another very dangerous one initiative, to talk about any referendums in general, and even more so based on the results of the russian occupation, we understand very well that the russian occupation policy is essentially genocidal, and it boils down to changing the ethnic composition of the population of the occupied territories, that is, destroying someone, evict someone and of course bring here... those who will be representatives of the russian world in the occupied territory. again , there is nothing new in this, that is, this is what russia has been doing all along in the territories it occupied, this is what russia has been doing for by the results of the conquest of ukraine in the 21st year, by the results of the starvation of millions of ukrainians, what it has been doing now since the 14th year in crimea, what it has been doing now since the 22nd year in the newly occupied territories,

therefore these kinds of theses can only serve to legitimize this occupation policy, because it is undeniable that russia, if we suddenly imagine such a scenario that the international public will say, we agree to it, russia will do everything so that at the moment, at the moment of the referendum, 120% said they were want to be together with russia, that's absolutely, i just once studied, well, you studied even more as historians, you know these points about the settlement of not only crimea by russians, but let's say the east of ukraine, the southeast of ukraine. during the holodomor of 32-3, it is said that the russians visited ukrainian houses, where there was still warmth from the bodies of the dead, and i also read data that 700 echelons were brought from russia to eastern donetsk region, luhansk region, in particular to donbas, in each there were more than 40 cars in the echelon, i understand that each car was stuffed with stuffed animals by russians, these are ethnic russians, who were 700

echelons, i brought to donbas, these are ethnic russians, and then, well, just like... crimea was brought by the inhabitants of the volga region, then the truth is, khrushchev took them away a little from there, because they didn't know what to do in northern crimea, they couldn't process it, but it's just a fact, and then we wonder why they said, called putin, well, that is, that is, unfortunately, this can be a legitimization of this genocidal occupation policy of russia , so categorically, i don't know if there was any statement on this today ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine, i hope it was, if it wasn't, i hope it will be, but tasheva. this is a little too little, i think, with all due respect to tamila, as the representative of the president in crimea, i think that after all it should be at the level of the highest diplomacy, especially since it is a statement of the minister of foreign affairs, so symmetrically small the same would be the statement of the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine. well, with all due respect, let's say to the absolute world champion oleksandr usyk, when he was detained at the airport

krakow, for some reason there was a reaction from the minister, the president, well, in this situation, i think the situation demands it. the second question, which is also, well, it's just been speculated on for quite a long time, and you know, that's probably why it's not finally resolved in the historical plan and in the communicative plan, in the communication plan, because it's always possible to speculate on it, this question is the so-called, not the so -called, but the volyn tragedy, and so they write that poland, which will begin the presidency of the eu, will use it for that, this opportunity for in order to put pressure on kyiv regarding volyn. and here it is necessary to explain what the pressure is, why they should press, because when i listen to, let's say, mp and polish politician pavlo koval, he says, on the contrary, that poland should use it in order to support ukraine, to maximally contribute to the integration of ukraine into the eu, of the aid received, recently one of mr. sikorski's predecessors in the post,

the minister of foreign affairs, jacyk shepotowych, made a very... such an accurate description of such a policy in poland, he called it a policy of hygiene, this is when ukraine drains blood in the struggle with russia, to take advantage of this weakening of ukraine in order to decide what poland considers necessary for itself. i was surprised to hear this from such a fairly senior politician, meaning someone who held such high positions, especially since, well, let's be honest. jatsikovic was one of those who implemented this hygiene policy, because in 2017, when he was the minister of foreign affairs, he made roughly the same reservations, so i find this kind of statement simple. inadmissible, and i think that this is just a testimony of how far, unfortunately, our western neighbors are moving away from some european standards of politics, well, that's

the question, well, i'll just remind you that during this period, the regional army, the upa units, led battles in volhynia, mainly on the territory of volhynia, were killed, in fact not only volhynia in volhynia, galicia, now also the territory of modern eastern poland, that is, it was a war in which a lot of civilians really suffered. people from the polish side and from 9 to 10,000 according to the ukrainian catholic university from the ukrainian side, these are the first figures that are finally starting to be announced, they obviously need to be clarified, but the ratio is such that it is obvious that more poles suffered, because the main arena of these battles, of this confrontation, were the territories where the poles were in the minority , because these territories were inhabited mostly by ukrainians, and one must understand that in this war. there was not one side that was guilty, one side that was only a victim, this is the interpersonal, inter-ethnic war in which

ukrainians were at the same time victims and those who killed, the poles were victims and those who killed, respectively, to try to somehow get out of this conflict, with the assessment of this conflict that only one side is to blame, is to enter a dead end, that is, to your opinion, what one may want, i am not talking about... mr. sikorsky, maybe those people who are with him in political power, or those people who make him the frontman of these ideas, this is how this phrase was once voiced , we apologize and ask for forgiveness, yes, yes, that ukrainians should only apologize, moreover, what is interesting is that this rhetoric that sikorsky is sounding out now, it was very sharply criticized by him and his team when... they were in the opposition, it was very sharply criticized, because it is rhetoric, it is the theses of their political opponents, in the pis yaroslav kaczyński, and i am very sorry that donald

tusk, radisław sikorsky, that is, those people who positioned themselves as very pro-ukrainian politicians, who made statements about the need to contain such an escalation of historical issues, have now simply caught on to this wave and instead of come back to the only... concept about this past conflict, which is mutual forgiveness, they are pedaling the idea that ukrainians should repent and ukrainians should accept the polish version of events, otherwise we will blackmail you, we will not let you into the european union, well, this is definitely not allied politics, by the way, there in lviv, when i used to go to work, there is the so-called hytslova mountain near the krakow market, there at one time the heidemaks were executed there in 1775 by... well, this leads me to the point that such moments in history, when there were a lot of ukrainians, and this, by the way, it is not only polish and ukrainian history, it is the history

of all neighboring peoples, many and france, england, relatively speaking, tasmania, that is, the same poles and germans, that is, no one invented a better way to overcome these conflicts so that they don't count in the present as mutual forgiveness, okay, we can't change anything simply. to force the other side to accept its position, well, this is a source of conflict, and here is another topic, which is, it is also political, so that history in any case is always politics, everyone should understand, without warning such an absolutely honest coverage of history, maybe someday we will wait in the future, but wherever there are some interests will be affected, and there is always politics, and that is the topic of the matter. who organizes, well, a well-known philanthropist in ukraine, and i am saying here, this is absolutely serious, a philanthropist who finances art, pays scholarships, finances there in a certain way, has projects in

the media, which also do good things, and i worked in his media, it is about about viktor pinchuk, a project about writing a new history of ukraine, where this project is headed by timothy snyder, and there are a number of ukrainian historians, and now i am on facebook at least. i’m still reading there, i have friends, historians, public activists, they have different views on whether it should be done this way, whether it should be done in a different way, how to present this story, by the way, there is an article about it on the espresso tv website , you can read, and here they just quote you, mr. volodymyr, that it is not the very idea of ​​telling the history of ukraine in a global context that confuses me context, but is worried about the ways of its implementation, explain what you do not like about this project, how it should be done and whether and why it is now on time, is it on or? because there is a real global interest in ukraine, that is why it is necessary in the world, that is why it is necessary to tell, this is good, my reservations, well, i will be minimal, regarding

some personal reservations, although... it is difficult for me to forget that mr. viktor pinchuk was one of sponsors of the babin yard memorial center project, where he worked together with russian oligarchs, and we we know that despite all the supposed solidity of the academic council, which was supposed to watch over the implementation of this project, where there were also world-renowned ukrainian and world historians, sorry, not only ukrainian historians, everything still ended with a scandal with the russian provocateur gzhanovsky and the desire to present babeniar as .. topic, as yet another evidence of the alleged anti-semitism of ukrainians, so it’s hard for me to forget it, and i ’m afraid that here even a very solid academic council, unfortunately, cannot, cannot always restrain certain other goals those people who finance it, but my main remarks still concern the content of this project, from what is now at least made public from mr. snyder's interview, i see that he has a desire to show the global

history of ukraine, as the history of the territory. er, there are no ukrainians there, there are no those who actually became a nation on this territory, those who on this territory created ukraine as a european, as a democratic state, among the researchers, among the topics represented by these researchers, there is nothing at all dedicated to the ukrainian liberation movement, the ukrainian revolution, the ukrainian insurgent army, it's just a territory where there were different peoples. where different nations passed, where various kinds of crimes were committed, it is about the holodomor, it is about the holocaust, where there was the tragedy of the second world war and everything, that is, i did not see there with my heart, my heart of darkness, and as this history is known, well, i understand that ukraine this is also the history of ukraine - this is also the history of the territory, but definitely not only, but definitely not only, because

ukraine. as the state would never have appeared if it were not for the ukrainians, it seems to me that what if if a democratic, independent ukrainian state did not appear here on this territory, the world would be different, and this is the global role of ukrainians, because it is the appearance of a democratic state here, and the fact that we are holding it now, this democratic state despite russian aggression, and is a guarantee that we, the ukrainians , are the factor that prevents the restoration of the russian empire, we are the factor that is still with... i think it is a very shaky, shaky balance between the democratic west and the absolutely authoritarian east that is beginning to gather forces, so if we're talking about the global history of ukraine, then in this global history of ukraine there must be a global role of ukrainians in this history, and you know, when i studied at the faculty of philology , vasyl vasylyovych yeremenko, a respected professor, used to teach ancient literature, and he said that once in soviet times , they decided to investigate the frescoes of sophia of kyiv,

they filmed there. the layers are certain, and under those layers of frescoes there were inscriptions made by people who came to sophia of kyiv when it was still built during the kyivan movement, and these inscriptions were, if any, well to sound like modern ukrainian words, and they decided not to research it in soviet times, and then they also burned the ukrainian archives in the vernatsk library, we know this beautiful story, that is, it says that our, well, forgive me strabo, if not i am mistaken, who was in the camp of attila or hyatila, who destroyed rome, there he wrote down the words, food and honey that we ukrainians still live by, so the question is, we have always been here, our language has been here since the time of the kyiv movement so precisely, that is why it is not just a territory, it is a territory for what is important to us is that this is the territory of the ethnogenesis of ukrainians, it is so undeniable that, well, ukrainians have become, excuse me, a kind of borscht, which appeared as a result of very different mixing of different peoples who were here, different cultures, but what we have now here, this uniqueness of this ukrainian culture, the ukrainian state, is the result of the

fact that ukrainians were born here. cooperating with other nations, cooperating with other cultures, it is also important, it is necessary, it is also necessary to talk about it, but not to forget the main perpetrator, because otherwise if we talk only about the territory, the territory is an object, it is an arena for action, to talk only about the territory is to desubjectivize ukraine, that is, there will be no ukrainian subject, what is happening now is the war is for us to establish our subjectivity, and then it doesn't matter who will be there. it is not the ukrainian territory that opposes russia, now it is the ukrainians who are opposing russia, who are stopping it. thank you very much for participating, thank you for the great conversation and for the professional comments. volodymyr yatrovych was from we, the people's deputy of ukraine, say goodbye to him, and in just a moment i will tell you in detail about the most important news at this hour. good evening, we are from ukraine.