the fact that one of the points of zelenskyi's victory plan is to invite ukraine to nato, they say that the president of ukraine hopes to receive an invitation from biden to the presidential elections in the united states of america. how likely is such a scenario and how much of an opportunity is there precisely during the pre-election race in the united states of america, where kamala harris's team obviously does not want to take risks. it is too much to ask such fundamental questions that may, let's say , scare away the american voter from her, you know, unfortunately, i do not expect that such an invitation will come to us from us president biden was a great moment, a great opportunity to get it on the eve of the washington nato summit in july this year, or during this summit, he did not do it, on the contrary.

as far as we can understand, the american side, as well as some other nato members, did everything possible to not bring this issue to the fore, so to speak, so ukraine did not receive an invitation, and everything ended, as usual, with general declarations, although they were positive, they are, they are a certain strategy, there are certain plans of nato, there is military aid, and financial aid, and in general. nato, but we have heard all this since 2008 from the bucharest nato summit, and nothing fundamentally new has happened. therefore , i do not think that, especially as you rightly say, before the presidential elections in the united states, which are less than two months away, i do not think that any such radical steps will be taken in order to, well, put at some risk . of this

presidential campaign or election campaign, this issue is very acute, it is, well, let's say is ambiguously accepted, both in washington and in some other western european capitals, i do not think that these will be accepted now, but, but, mr. vladimir, it turns out that putin's ultimatum, which he put forward in december 2021, which nato should not come close to the russian border, well, with the exception of finland. in principle, this ultimatum works, and this ultimatum is accepted by the west, our western partners, because otherwise, probably, events would have unfolded in a completely different way. does this mean that there is some kind of conspiracy diplomacy that allows americans and russians to talk about the future of ukraine without ukraine's participation? no, i do not think that such diplomacy exists, although it is quite clear that there is contact. it is happening, well, no one

hides it, there are contacts between the services, mr. burns, the director of the cia, has repeatedly had contacts with his colleagues from russia, i do not think that we should be afraid of these contacts, there are many issues, such purely bilateral ones between russia and the united states, to which ukraine, let's say, has nothing to do at all, it's nuclear weapons and in general nuclear parity, the fight against terrorism and so on, there are many. of these issues, but the thing is that, well, i already said that, unfortunately, there is no strategy, neither washington nor the west as a whole, there is no strategy for victory, or rather assistance in the victory of ukraine over, it boils down to the fact that so give us weapons drop by drop, we are so grateful, we, we wouldn't exist without it, this, we have to understand absolutely clearly, but well, this... can't continue

indefinitely, and the question arises, well, i and many others, in general, all ukrainians, well how long does this war have to last until our western partners finally finally understand that it can only be ended by defeating this putin regime and defeating russia, and the more, the longer all these delays with help... and with all there with peace plans and so on, the worse it will be for them, first of all, because putin, unfortunately, perceives this as, well, a certain weakness of the west, he understands that the west continues to be afraid of these red lines, nuclear weapons in russian, there is an opportunity to get a nuclear war and so on and so forth not in any way - it goes on to further escalation against

russia, although, i remember, during the caribbean crisis in the early 60s of the last century, such a study was known, i do not remember its authors, i think the then state secretary the united states, said the following phrase: escalate to deescalate, well, translate, this means, it means that it is necessary to increase the escalation in order to achieve de-escalation, but unfortunately, uh, this time, well, in our time , this formula does not work for some reason, why not i know, because the americans themselves invented it then, and it worked very positively both during the caribbean crisis and during or the afghan war, in which the soviet union got involved and, strictly speaking, all this led to the final collapse of the soviet union. meanwhile, the white house reports that biden will receive zelensky in washington on september 26, and the vice president of the united states of america

, kamala harris, will have a separate meeting. it is not yet known whether it will be within the framework of the un general assembly or somewhere in the white house. home it is not known yet, but a meeting with donald trump has also been announced, trump himself said that he will have a meeting with zelenskyi, so this is a triple meeting that is planned, that is, with the current president, with the vice president of the united states of america, the potential winner of the next election and with another potential winner of the next election, and the presentation to them of this... victory plan, can it give ukraine additional chances or opportunities in order to speed up or in some way change the opinion of american politicians about what the war should be, what the main thing should be

victory over putin? er, yes, of course, well, first of all, this is an absolutely normal situation when the leader of ukraine will meet with representatives of all. let's put it this way, even if it is the eve of the presidential elections in the united states, but president zelenskyi had telephone contacts with trump, he met with him during trump's presidency, he was in washington, this is absolutely normal, they know each other , the more, the wider i think this plan is going to be, our peace plan is presented or the victory plan, you're better off because we... we we cannot predict the results of the us presidential race, it is the business of the american people, whoever wins there, one way or another, we have and our president should use every opportunity to reach the widest possible audience, i think there will be meetings in the congress in washington and

possibly in some political science centers with individual senators, congressmen, political scientists, the more people hear it, see it with their own eyes, the better. because who will become president, what will be the situation in the united states of america, at the beginning of the year we we don't know, but we need to work on, let's say, both camps in order to have both on our side, as well as such clear and stable supporters of ours, mr. volodymyr, i have a question for you as a person, which is very he knows very well that the united nations works, you were the permanent representative of ukraine at the un. today, the minister of foreign affairs of poland, radislaw sekorski, said that crimea is symbolically important for russia and for putin, and for ukraine it is strategically important, so he does not see how the two countries can

agree without the demilitarization of the peninsula and without the participation of the united nations organization, i quote sikorsky: we could transfer crimea under the un mandate. for the preparation of an honest referendum after checking who are legal residents and so on, and we could postpone it for 20 years, sikorsky suggested, well, taking into account the position of the un and its capabilities of this organization, whether such an option is even possible in the case of crimea and is it necessary to do it? well, you know, in spite of everything. in my respect for mr. sikorsky personally and for poland as ours one of the main allies and a sincere friend, i think there is a bit of overkill here, it seems to me that the advisers or experts of the polish minister slightly overestimated the capabilities of the un, i must say that the issue here

is not even the mandate of this organization , well, the organization in general is not capable of much today, except to hang a flag there. to sanctify something in this way means an action, but mr. sikotsky first of all had to read the constitution of ukraine, where it is clearly and absolutely written, i... how and in what way can a referendum on such things as territorial integrity , the belonging of parts of ukraine, and so on, if he meant holding a referendum in which, according to our constitution, the entire population must take part, the entire population of ukraine must take part, then this is one situation, but i find it difficult i imagine how it can happen under the mandate, if we are talking about... a separate part of the territory of ukraine, where

a referendum is to be held, in which it is not clear who will participate, well, in fact, the un has, in principle, some experience in conducting there were similar referendums or elections or other events, such clubism, but it took place in completely different conditions, and i do not think that it can be applied today. in relation to ukraine and to, i repeat once again, this is a part of the territory of ukraine, and the fate of this part can only be decided by the entire ukrainian people, and who will give this mandate or under whose mandate it will be done, it is already a matter, let's say so, secondary thank you, mr. volodymyr, for the conversation, it was volodymyr yelchenko, diplomat, former permanent resident representative of ukraine at the un and former ambassador of ukraine to the united states of america. friends, we... continue to work live on the channel and also on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are currently

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conversation, mr. volodymyr, with a fairly important event, both for parliamentary life and for the political life of ukraine, because today the verkhovna rada of ukraine finally dismissed maryana bezugla, from the post of deputy chairman of the committee on defense affairs and a member of this committee, she became a member of the committee on foreign policy and inter-parliamentary... cooperation and herself bluntly explained her decision to move to another committee by toxic processes in the defense committee and the intention to attract western partners to civilian control over the defense sector of ukraine. let's listen to it. i will try my best to attract partners, build more trust with them, more. control, so that there are more and more issues of systemic changes, because as i noted in myself, well, in

the blog, that we are now broadcasting the de facto narrative that we need and will be unhooked, it will not work like that, we have to really talk to them as one language, mr. volodymyr, taking into account what language bezugla speaks with the ukrainian generals, what... will it be rhetoric and what will be its language with our western partners, perhaps it will also be used as a political torpedo against western partners? well, in general, i seem to get the impression that there is a certain fetish for bezugla, if her general zaluzhny had not transferred to diplomacy, then probably the industrious bezugla would still be in the committee on issues. national security and defense, of course i'm being ironic, but it really seems

that maryana is being targeted for torpedoing some international institutions. in particular, the attack on radoslav sikorsky in the last few days, it is generally unprecedented, and if maryana bezu joins it. then i think it will stink even more. the problem is that maryana, who headed the subcommittee on civilian control over power institutions, in no way... did not fight corruption in the ministry of defense, but she always brought to the surface in the media space, well, let's say, intrigues from the general life, that is, all the quarrels, petty conflicts among the ukrainian generals, maryana threw away

on the surface very active, which looked like a biased action against er, well, let's say... yes - against the political weight and er authority of the military in ukrainian society. well , we will monitor what will happen next with mariyana bezugla, but we will remind our viewers that now she has nothing to do with the defense committee, and thank god, we will monitor how this political technology will be used further, because bezugla is ... political technology of course. today , the verkhovna rada of ukraine adopted a resolution on renaming 300 28 settlements, i almost slandered myself, because yesterday there were 333 and this resolution was not adopted. as part of decommunization and de-russification, however , six settlements were removed from the list, the renaming of which the deputies consider

controversial. so, yuzhne, yuzhnoukrainian, pavlograd, senelnikove and pervomaisk. mykolaiv region. according to the resolution , the names of settlements that contain russian and soviet narratives or russified names are renamed. in particular , the following cities received new names: novomoskovsk is the dnipropetrovsk region. samar pershotravnevsk of dnipropetrovsk region - shakhtarske, pervomaisk of luhansk region - sokologhirsk, molodogvardiysk, luhansk region, otamanivka. oh, very good for molodogvardiysk. chervonograd - lviv oblast - sheptytskyi, druzhba - sumy oblast khutir mykhailivskyi, pervomayskyi, kharkiv oblast - zlotopol, krasnograd - kharkiv oblast, berestyn, ivatutine, cherkasy oblast, bagacheve, will now be called what do you think, mr.

volodymyr, it is connected that from the first time the representatives. the supreme council could not to vote for this resolution, and we see that there is such a fringe, a pro-russian fringe in the verkhovna rada of ukraine, and obviously this became the main reason, were there any other reasons, you as a person who was once in the verkhovna rada of ukraine and was a deputy, you are you sure you understand the principles and logic of voting? well, first of all, i want to remind you that eh... no matter how much the servant of the people party clings to the formal figure of the fraction, but in the last six months, not a single bill has been drafted by the efforts of the the servant of the people faction was never voted for, they always voted for support, for example opz, the former, i.e.

deputy groups, or even oligarchic deputy groups. now this one is strange. history, because on the one hand opz looks like such playing coaches in relation to the servant of the people faction. i would like to remind you that the servant of the people is essentially a party that became a continuation of the youth organization of the party of regions. and the leader of the party of regions, well, razumkov was number one on the list of servants of the people. although formal the leader... yanukovych jr. was listed there, but everyone knew very well that he was a scapegoat for politics, that is, it can be said that when zelenskyi announced that he had a plan for victory, and information about it leaked through the western media , that zelensky will pedal, immediately, to announce the future

accession of ukraine to nato, that is, he will demand, in particular. biden to announce ukraine's future membership in nato before the end of his term as one of the reasons for russia's attack, that is, now that the faction is not votes for decommunization, looks a little crazy when zelenskyy asks western partners to grant ukraine membership in nato as soon as possible, as security under an umbrella. and his native faction does not find votes, well, maybe, maybe this is a reaction to the fact that among the authors of this draft law was petro poroshenko. well, part of the audience reacts very nervously to any authorship of petro poroshenko in the legislative field, maybe it

was, but in fact the situation is completely fronderian, because immediately the western publications publish about the request for membership in nato, and its faction zelenskyi, assembled by his efforts and on his, so to speak, inertia of his success in the presidential elections , a faction was established in the parliament, it votes against the will of zelenskyi, and maybe that will was not there, maybe objectively, management was centralized in the banking sector, including not only the cabinet of ministers, but also their own faction, which blinked somewhere and the signal did not go down, because literally everything was voted on the second day, mr. volodymyr, you already mentioned... about zelenskyi's victory plan next week, the president of ukraine will present this plan victory in front of three high-ranking politicians

of the united states of america, donald trump , kamala harris, and donald and joseph biden , that is, two presidential candidates and one current president of the united states and one vice president of the united states of america, but... in the context of how information is presented in ukraine regarding this plan, and to be honest, i don’t quite understand the content of this document, what it consists of, that is, what this victory plan looks like, ukrainians obviously deserve to know what plans of the supreme commander-in-chief of the armed forces of ukraine regarding the victory, what is the way to win this victory, can this be considered a failure of communication between the government and society, or is it simply a strict necessity of wartime,

that there are military secrets, and in principle, because of this, the victory plan was not discussed at all , well, neither in an expert environment, nor was it even presented at a closed session of the verkhovna rada of ukraine. well, surprisingly, a politician cannot present a military plan. that is, a politician can present only a political-military one some document in which the military component will make up some part, because victory is the victory of the system, that is, zelensky must now prove to his partners that he is building a state that will harmoniously enter the western community, then he must convince. to have his own soldiers who pay with their lives for this victory, that he is not building an authoritarian regime, he is building a country of freedom

for which you want to fight and win, that is, in essence, zelensky has created a situation where neither his western partners nor his own soldiers understand him, nor the own population, civilians the population, which is in the rear, because it sees that... this state is hyper-unjust, and the further into the league, the fatter the partisans, that is, the politicians are getting fatter, so to speak, the population is getting poorer, it does not understand the goals of this struggle, although it is fine we know that we need a victory and the restoration of territorial integrity for the sake of freedom, for the sake of preserving national identity and for the sake of the development of the nation, because it is possible to win a huge, symbolic victory, but then fall out of circulation for a decade and not rehabilitate after this

victory neither economically nor demographically, unfortunately, a rather tragic story happened before our eyes, when we saw how zelensky rushed to save usyk from the polish police. but zelenskyi did not notice one very important thing, when they made such a loss of representatives of the ukrainian diaspora or fugitives of ukrainians, primarily refugees from the war, they did not notice that two almost 2 million ukrainians wrote a statement renouncing ukrainian citizenship, and this already the defeat of zelenskyi, after that he should talk about the victory plan doesn't work out if millions... of people turn away from their own state, which means that this state acts contrary to the national idea, national identity, millions of people turn away, although we remember.

the first months of the war, when millions of people returned to ukraine to fight for ukraine? well, here the question is also how the current government behaves and the representatives, including the verkhovna rada of ukraine, here is a fresh example of how the people's deputy of ukraine from the servant of the people andriy odarchenko, who is accused of trying to bribe the leadership, restoration agency, which was once headed by mustafa. the loan disappeared, the specialized anti-corruption prosecutor's office suspects that it fled abroad. odarchenko, who , according to the investigation, offered $50,000 to rent for the placement of money for the restoration of one of the higher education institutions, and i understand that odarchenko had an interest there, and the sap initiated the collection into

state revenue. 15 million hryvnias bail, which the deputy previously paid, that is, he was accused of trying to bribe a state official, he was released on bail and bail this has already been brought to the state, well, the impression is that he paid off and went abroad. literally three weeks ago, president zelenskyy held a meeting with border guards, with the sbu, with various special services, regarding the escape, including artem dmytrouk, a deputy who was also once in the servants of the people, tell me, please, here are the unlearned lessons, how they influence the perception by ukrainians of the current government and the ruling party, well, first of all, this is an objective consequence of the destruction of state institutions, which began with zelensky's coming to power, they destroyed not only the ministry, and they began to destroy even

the anti-corruption ministry. institutions that were once formed during poroshenko's presidency with the serious participation of representatives of the european union, various international institutions, and now they have actually, like termites, eaten through all state institutions, they are not effective, these state institutions are effective only in uh, well, let's say, in the plane of enrichment of their managers. it is difficult to call the ministry of energy effective, it is difficult to call ukrzaliznytsia efficient, to call, for example, the ministry of social affairs, today, a draft or a draft budget is being discussed, and we see that there is a reduction in funding across the entire social bloc, but prosecutors’ offices

are being allocated additionally and investigative structures, that is, in essence, we are observing the drift of the state towards such an authoritarian the type where the state invests exclusively in security forces, not in the armed forces. in fact, this is a pathology, this is an authoritarian worldview, and under such circumstances it is appropriate to talk about a victory plan based on... the freedoms of a citizen, on freedom of choice, on sacrifice citizen, no, in fact, zelensky built a very unfair state, thank you, thank you, mr. volodymyr, we have to go off the air, we will put an end to this note, thank you, it was volodymyr tsybulko, writer, former people's deputy of ukraine, friends, the results of our survey today, are you satisfied with the progress of decolonization of ukraine,

30% yes. 70% no, it was a verdict program, privyu serhii rudenko, goodbye, tons of dead fish and the threat of drinking water pollution in kyiv, the rivers of the sejm desna suffer from dirt. what to expect ukrainians and how big is the threat? we talk about this on bbc ukraine. dzaferov works in the studio. bruty from the rivers of the seima desna in the sumy and chernihiv regions reached the kyiv region, to the place where water is taken for the people of kyiv, who mostly live on the left bank of the capital. ukraine received the first reports of pollution of the seim river on august 14. oleksandr krasnolutskyi, first deputy minister of environmental protection, said this in an interview with doichiveli. in an interview.