decolonization of ukraine 30% yes, 70% no. it was the program verdict of serhiy rudenko, goodbye. tons of dead fish and the threat of drinking water pollution in kyiv. the rivers of the desna diet suffer from dirt. what can ukrainians expect and how big is the... we talk about this on bbc ukraine. jafer umerov works in the studio. bruty from the seim and desna rivers in the sumy and chernihiv regions reached the kyiv region, to the place where water is taken for the people of kyiv, who mostly live on the left bank of the capital. first reports of pollution ukraine received the seim river on august 14. oleksandr krasnolutskyi, first deputy minister of environmental protection, said this in an interview with doichoveli. in an interview. he

added to the publication that it was impossible to stop the spread, and even then it was decided to ban bathing, fishing and using water from rivers. and in the next video, you can see footage from the gum in the chernihiv region, but what kind of dirt is it and where did it come from? a few weeks ago, when in the diet of sumy oblast they saw dirt stains and the death of fish, there were speculations that the impurities came from the kursk region of russia, where the river also flows. these discovered unknown organic compounds that absorbed oxygen in the water and this became the cause of the mass death of fish. this was announced by the head of the state environmental inspection of ukraine, ihor zubovych. however, what exactly caused the pollution? the state ecological inspection assumes that the cause is the discharge of organic compounds from a sugar factory in the kursk region. they came to this conclusion after analyzing space images. another version, voiced by at the kyiv ecological and cultural center, dirt

could get into the water from the enterprise where, into the water from the enterprise where leather is processed in the village of tyotkino in kurshchyna. residents of sumy region talked about smores and slime on the banks of the river. in general, more than 12 tons of dead fish were collected in the diet of sumy oblast due to pollution. 8 tons of dead fish were caught in the river in the chernihiv region. however, the head of the city, oleksandr lomako, reported that chernihiv, like sumy, does not consume water from... chok, because water is taken from artesian wells, and added: threats there is no life and health of chernihiv residents. but what about kyiv, where 60% of kyiv residents get their drinking water from the gums, my colleague maryana matviychuk about the situation in the capital. will the pollution, which ecologists have already recorded in the gums, in the kyiv region, reach here in the dnipro, and is it possible to drink water from these rivers? the first turbidity and discoloration of the gums was recorded at the beginning of september. they began to panic and ask

whether it is possible to drink water from the tap, there were also calls to buy water in supermarkets and take it from pumps. it is worth reminding that kyivans they receive water mostly from the dnipro river and the dnieper river, so their worries are fully justified. they began to question the authorities, what happened and what were the consequences? we managed to find out this moment. currently, the pollution has reached the villages of litka and rozhna of the brovar district near kyiv and is only approaching the dnipro. hydrologist viktor vishnevskyi explained to the bbc that the volume of contaminated water is relatively small, several thousand cubic meters. the water company assures that all indicators of drinking water in the dnipro are normal. in a year, the dnipro brings billions of cubic meters, therefore there is no reason to worry. the stain moved slowly and dissolved, therefore, on the approach to kyiv, the effects of the pollution were significantly reduced. experts remind that kyivans get water not only from the gums, the system.

is arranged in such a way that, if necessary, kyivvodokanal can redistribute the set and reduce the amount of water from the gum, therefore the authorities reassure kyivan, there is no reason to panic, the situation is completely under control. and today , the ministry of environmental protection and natural resources of ukraine reported that there are no threats to water supply in kyiv region. water quality on september 19, the desna river is within normal limits, and kyiv vodokanal adds that they are equipped with reagents for water disinfection. in full, but what do the residents of the capital think about the state of the dnipro, let's hear it, to be honest, i'm telling you earlier, the water was greener, so as for chemistry, who knows, i already know, if it's bad, they'll probably say, we're already they passed through chernobyl, then it was still, even steeper, they heard that it was all as if it was not true, or that this happens often, and that nothing

terrible will happen and everything will be fine, i i brush my teeth normally with water from the tap, in principle it is alive, i have not picked up any bacteria, i don't know what will happen next. this moment bothers me, because the water is already very dirty, it seems to me, because it is now so green in the dnipro, of a green color that sometimes different smells come out, so i don’t like it very much, so the ministry of environmental protection declares that there are no threats to kyiv region, at the same time, according to monitoring data, water quality is improving, and better... indicators are observed in the seim river in chernihiv region, while in sumshchyna, worse. but how did they find the source of pollution of the sejm, which then reached the disney? professor of the ukrainian hydrometeorological institute, natalya osadcha, further. if we have a lot of organic matter, oxygen starts to decrease very quickly. that is, we

had such initial conditions, and it is clear that a very large amount of this organic matter arrived. what is this... the first thing could be enterprises, well, that is, it is not a natural process, we immediately think about an emergency situation, we started to look at which enterprises are upstream and very close to the border, literally 7.8 km away, there is such a smt tetkino, and there are two such enterprises, a sugar factory and a distillery, then they analyzed the components that are in the river and which are. er, which are in wastewater, well, and accordingly they began to search, er, for this, they used high-resolution satellite images and began to look around and found two such large basins on the territory of the plant, where

wastewater was collected, and already from the point from the point of view of the chronology, we looked at the time during which this pool was filled, and we began to... mark to determine whether there is sucrose, because in during the process of sugar processing, well, a small part still remains in the wastewater, then, when we determined the source, we had to determine the quantitative indicator, how much of it came in total, we made calculations, calculated that 5700 cubic meters of wastewater arrived, well, this is very large ... this is simply an extremely large amount, if we compare it with the seim, which, although it is considered an average river in our country, is still not so large, this spot, let's say, it moved along the river and already

reached the gum somewhere towards the end of august and should have fallen, the sejm had fall into the gum. here , other natural processes came to our aid, this is the volume of water flow, because the desna is a...much larger river, and the processes started immediately, oxidation and dilution also started at once, in parallel, these processes were not very fast, but they passed, and that's why desna coped with that, well, very big pollution, i'll be honest, and the most that we counted on, of course, was the waterworks, well , i'll say this, kyiv didn't even notice, because last monday, this water had already reached kyiv, of kyiv... vodokanal, and we too we also analyzed the drinking water that comes from the tap at our work, no changes have occurred. and how will the rivers recover after such pollution and how are the damages assessed, we asked the expert oleg november about this. to

date, there are already 415 million in losses from this pollution, only officially calculated by the state environmental inspection, well, in fact, the losses are much greater, and... kyiv-vodokanal also had to spend a lot of money in order to prepare to clean this water and submit it qualitatively in ours homes it is not so easy to study it, to understand that there is no access to the territory of the russian federation, there is no access even to the border zone of 5 km, due to the fact that there is constant shelling. the russians see them as soon as they see them, i communicated and... i was there a couple of times in these border areas, no one lets them in, they themselves, they do the right thing, as soon as they see them, there, if there is some equipment, some car, some a tractor, a farmer has left to do something, they open fire and specifically

hunt for people, machinery, etc it is impossible, unfortunately, we just need to take a repeat, make extensive analyses, it will be necessary not to... interfere, it will be necessary to remove the influences that our society, our state, our business are currently exerting on these rivers. for example, to date , six to eight so-called river sand deposits are being developed on the gum from letok, the village there on the gum to the herl of the gum, where it flows into the dnipro, if it is simply driven in and the sand is sucked from the bottom of the river, the same sand, which is a natural filter that saved on today is from the pollution that... we know, kyiv and brovary, the same sand, well, similar,

is used on the filters of the same desnya water treatment station, here in desnya they are there themselves, well, don't touch them, leave it, opinion academician afanasiv and specialists of the institute of hydrobiology of the national academy of sciences of ukraine from three to 5 years, these are good terms, and this is possible only because... shoseim and desna are practically the last of the unregulated plain rivers of ukraine, that is, they have meanders, that is they bend like that, they have old ladies, they have some kind of flood there, and they will overflow, and thanks to this they will be able

to use this water so quickly by human standards, it may take a long time, but by the standards of the environment, which is slowly developing, it is fast, anyway, until the self-examination of this river passes, i do not recommend these rivers, as do the state authorities. how can similar environmental threats be prevented in the future, especially in wartime, according to expert natalie otsachuye. first of all, i will warn you. these emergency situations, but one thing, when it is within the borders of ukraine and our legislation is in force, but the situation in the seimas is difficult, because the same plant is being built outside ukraine, already on the territory of the russian federation, and by the way, representatives from the state water agency told us that this is not the first time such a thing has happened, it has also happened before , because this one is black. there is a mass of such unrotten beet particles, they are so

black, they are in a suspended form, and when people approach the river, well, horror just takes over, because the water is black, it seems that in reality it is not water, that is all in such hangovers forms, and plus a very bad smell, well, it's so putrid, because all this mass is rotting there, and this... first of all, it was stressful, and the same situation, as they told me in the state wood agency, was somewhere in 2019, it seems like a year ago, and then the russian side recognized this and took measures themselves, that is, they dumped water from some reservoir here and there on our territory, and if they washed the channel of the sejm and took out all these black particles that settled to the bottom, well, now you you see: that can't happen either, because we hope well, the rains will come, the water flow will increase and

the sejm will simply wash itself over time, now the situation is already improving, that is, this stain has gone away and oxygen is gradually being restored, so any system is ecological, it wants to live, therefore living forms, they will naturally recover, i hope maybe... because there will be some kind of stocking to restore fish stocks, and well, first of all, to warn, to warn of emergency situations, you can't discharge sewage, well, it seems to me that every person understands today, but when we are with in the russian federation, you know, it is difficult there, you can also read about the pollution of the gums and the diet on our website bbc.ua in the article that will be in the kyiv region about... this is what my colleagues wrote earlier, and this is all we have time for to tell you today,

look for more stories on our website bbc.ua and on our pages in social networks, and we will be on the air again tomorrow at 9:00 a.m., take care.

good evening, traditionally, at this time, the project speaks of velikiy lviv, the largest discussion platform of our country, we discuss all the things that we need to analyze, because the lives of millions of ukrainians really depend on this, and i will not shy away from this

pathos, the future of the entire continent, because the russian federation... it is clear that it wants to conquer not only our state, but also to influence the whole of eastern europe. in particular, we talked about this with vitaly portnik literally before the start of our broadcast on youtube, and we continue together with all of you viewers of the espresso channel, to whom we say good evening. congratulations to everyone who joined us, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes, be with us in this ether, it will be interesting, first vitaliy portnikov, then our guests in the studio, who are already waiting for us, there will be a discussion, there will also be skype, the guests will connect with us virtually and we will discuss the important topics that we hear this week, which concern everyone. and if you listen to the forecasts and expert opinion of vitaly portnikov, then in principle it is difficult to disagree with the fact that

putin has no reason to end the war and agree to any peace talks, peace plans that our government should and wants to offer, well, that is why would he do that, he's waging war everything is fine. live there, we thought that they would bend, they would not bend, but what could happen, mr. vitaly, if, if putin does not exist, if he is removed, if he dies, we are considering this option in principle, it will globally affect the position of the russian federation about us? i would still like to say that there is a much clearer formula for forcing russia to make peace, which is to stop russia on the front line, to prevent them from advancing further, and to show that all their attacks on our infrastructure do not lead to a mass exodus population, right now journalists are asked, i see in an interview with the head representative of the european commission, whether europe is ready to accept new millions of ukrainians, so we are thinking about it, so if these new millions do not come, and we survive this winter as we experienced the previous ones, then it will happen again to demonstrate that there are not many opportunities in russia to destroy this state, to turn it into an infrastructural

desert. so, if there is a stalemate on the front and a stalemate in the destruction of ukrainian infrastructure, and at the same time. russia will see that it spends more money on war than can afford, but there is no result, this is your way to the end of the war, for this there is absolutely no need for someone to die, die or someone to live. regarding the very end of putin's term of office, i keep reminding you, i told you many times, that this is the czech regime, and the desire to restore the empire is not a personal desire, it is the desire of this entire corporation, which is called the federal... security service of the russian federation, and used to be called the state security committee of the soviet union. this one the corporation won the struggle for power in the soviet union, and they wanted to, and as a result only got power in russia. power in the soviet union practically fell out of her hands, because the former soviet republics declared their independence. and now her

important goal is to correct this, as they call it in their circles, mistake of 1991 . this is putin's task, but it may be his successor's task as well. another thing is that the heir can act differently. he can really think about some appeasement, reconciliation. he may think he will to destabilize ukraine with the help of some sabotage there. he may think that he will buy the ukrainian and western elites, that is, he may return to putin's policy, which is also very dangerous, as we understand. and we see to what extent this policy is being carried out by the kremlin even now. in relation to, say, georgia, can it be so in relation to ukraine without putin, even with putin it can be, believe me, so this is also a danger that exists for all of us, but again, i would not lick it off. with a personality in the kremlin, that is we have the desire of the russian people to restore their empire, we need to put this people, not putin, but the russian state and

the russian people in a situation where they will see that they cannot achieve anything more , they cannot objectively, but only lose if you just redraw people and money all the time in this meat grinder and nothing happens, believe me that even ... with russian stubbornness you will have to draw logical conclusions, and by the way, i believe that what president zelensky is proposing to our allies , that is what we are discussing, how the victory plan, this is the road exactly in this direction, the more weapons there are, the more opportunities we have to stop them, the more the sanctions against russia will be strengthened, the more they will be gaps in the budget and thus the fewer opportunities there will be to militarize the economy, the more serious it will be dialogue with the countries of the global south? all the more, there will be chances that they will help russia less. that's all right, i'm just not saying that it's easy to do, i'm just telling you that there are these three necessary conditions and that's it. one more topic

important thing that i would like to discuss with you at the end of today's broadcast, we are all following this week how israel is, in fact. eliminates hezbollah terrorists in lebanon, first pagers exploded the next day, on the following days, when there were already burials of those who died from pager explosions, radios began to explode, then lithium batteries, in cars, in motorcycles and so on, in fact, if we talk with in terms of a military operation, i think the whole world is amazed at how the israelis did it, but i... i want here to formulate the question in a different way: we live in our own war and we have our own adversary, can we expect that our western partners can help in the same way, because

we know that russia continues to buy phones, bypassing sanctions, at the same time, i understand , that the reputation of the apple corporation is not a budapest company that manufactures pagers that only hezbollah needs, probably in this world, well, russian can buy a lot. you know, when you say that, you certainly flatter my inner self-love as a person of jewish origin, when you tell me about this operation, you see, this is possible, even, but i see something else, i see how the international community condemns israel, which, by the way, has not taken any responsibility for these actions, why is it condemning, that's why that this is an indiscriminate action aimed at a large number of people at once, and which can cause ... of course, serious problems for those who are close to them and have nothing to do with the activities of terrorist organizations. and, as you can see, lebanon is now specifically

focusing on this, they are not showing a funeral fighters, and the funeral of the children, the girl who died as a result of this operation, these are absolutely obvious things, i think, and you understand that what israel can afford in the middle east, and that. it's not that easy, because he is condemned by the un high commissioner for human rights, the head of european diplomacy, all these high-ranking or the un secretary general, everyone condemns, everyone, then neither the united states nor the european countries will ever be able to afford this in their lifetime , when the supreme representative of the european union on international diploma politics is condemned by israel, imagine at least one european country that will organize such an operation by itself, never in its life, it is simply impossible for sure, so we can organize this without any assistance from anyone, and knowing that our allies, if they prove our participation,

they will condemn us, just like israel, so we just need to decide whether we go this way or not, you see, israel can make its own weapons, after all, it does not depend on western supplies like we do we depend "well, you condemned us, we took note of it, and it's not us at all , and the situation is different in the country, maybe it's worth thinking about the ukrainian military-industrial complex, you know, if we're already looking at israel , then israel produces weapons, and this is also part of our future, we must have our own weapons so that we do not ask anyone what to do, and if you want to ask the european allies, will you help us to do such an operation ? like israel, well, they will say, what have you said, what are you, what operation, yes, how can you imagine it, it is a huge number of people who blew up, next to them the civilian population, and you what, but this

will be a war crime, we will be brought to court. to call the international criminal in the gas, and unlike putin, we will be betrayed, so think about it, that is, to unlock ramzan kadyrov's cybertrack at most, what can they do? i agree with that, of course, except that ramzan kadyrov was alone in the office at that moment and did not share his experiences with his son, otherwise the son would have to go to a psychotherapist, and this the problem is quite serious for people who respect human rights that the child is in such an inhumane condition. are not located, thank you, welcome, but this, but this is actually a serious problem, i say again, the problem of our military independence, this is a serious problem for the future, if we want to do some non-standard things, we have to have a military arsenal, our own, our own, you don't think that people from the israeli special services, if it was them, asked their colleagues from the cia,

or... or any western intelligence, but you can you and i will do this, and you will help us with technologies? no, i think that the director of the cia learned about it from the same source as you and i from the media, and thought, this is an operation, so good that i did not know, thank you vitaly pornikov, we will move to our big studio, where the guests have already gathered and are ready for discussion. congratulations to everyone, we already have guests, we are ready to introduce them, we are working live on the espressa tv channel, we are also on the youtube channel says velikiy lviv, everyone who is there with us, we ask you to like this video that you look, support us, yes, because an even larger number of people will see this broadcast, if you have not yet subscribed to youtube, says velikiy lviv, then please do it too, who is with us, yuriy pidvisny, doctor of philosophy, head of the department of political of sciences

of the ukrainian catholic university, professor, we congratulate you, good evening, serviceman of the armed forces of ukraine, vitaly smilka, good evening, good evening, olena zhivko, with us, head of the veteran organization of the association of volunteers, ms. olena, lyubomyr skochelyas, candidate of political of sciences, associate professor of the department of political science, ivan franko national university of lviv, deputy director of the center for political studies, good evening, good evening, andrian ftyo, with us, serviceman of the 103rd brigade of the armed forces of the armed forces of ukraine, good evening, maksym plekhov, chairman of the board of lviv. cluster, good evening, good evening, mr. vitaly snelka, let's start with you, exactly what we ended with your tesco and my tesco vitaliy portnikov, regarding the fact that ukraine, despite the huge number conversations about potential negotiations, peace plans and so on and so on, we understand that not always everything depends on us, we must definitely prepare for a long-term war, and if our enemy... will see

ukraine's readiness to fight for a long time, eh , to make weapons independently, with these weapons without the permission of the united states, britain, france, anyone, to strike where it is necessary, as happened this week in utrupki, where ukrainian drones hit and, judging by everything , seriously damaged or completely destroyed the glass, warehouse military weapons, iskanders, and missiles are being talked about in this village, on the territory. of the terrorist russian federation, in fact then russia will have more, let's say, arguments to sit down at the table of changes and end this war on favorable terms for ukraine, i.e. a victory for us. are we ready for a long war? well, look, first of all, i'm not a politician, let's put it that way. yeah, every person can't be right now, you know,

let's see who's talking? civilians talk, politicians talk, they talk about negotiations, about some peace plans ordinary people, how often have you heard the military talking about negotiations? i think not at all, uh, i, for example, have not heard that the military talked about negotiations, you know, if we were in some catastrophic situation, yes, we have a war, yes, there are battles every day, they drag the wounded with them and those who died on... our heroes, my brothers, but they do not talk about the fact that the time has come, we need to sit down at the table, talk about some negotiations, come to an agreement, the military does not talk about it, but why, what is the reason main, i will tell you, while the military see the potential, as long as the military sees that we can somehow achieve success through military means, well then...