you know, let's see who is talking about negotiations, about some peace plans, civilians are talking, politicians are talking, ordinary people are talking, and how much have you heard military people talking about negotiations, i think not at all, i, for example, have not heard , for the military to talk about negotiations, you know, if we were in some kind of catastrophic situation, this is how we have a war, this is how every day of the battle goes, they... behind them are the wounded and dead of our heroes, my brothers, but they do not talk about that , that the time has come, we must sit down the table, talk about some negotiations, come to an agreement, the military does not talk about it, but why, what is the main reason? i will tell you, as long as the military sees the potential, as long as the military sees that we can somehow achieve success through military means, well then... what can we talk about, that is, it turns out

that we can advance somewhere, somewhere we can deter the enemy, we destroy the enemy every day, every hour, and then they tell us to stop, stop the negotiations, well, it will be a little unclear for the military, i understand that when we would be there in some blind defense, we would be outnumbered by the enemy in all directions of the military, then somewhere it would be possible to say so and we would not see any future for. now, for the present time, we have a picture that we can not only defend ourselves, but we can also carry out such actions as in kursk, that we can attack and beat the bodies of its territory, and hearing our politicians, as well as those russian politicians, then who needs negotiations in the first place, for what and with whom the subject, with whom to conduct those negotiations, with putin, well, it is nonsense to conduct negotiations, on the other hand to listen...

or not to listen to our western partners, well, you know, we cannot exclude their opinion for sure, we have to reckon with them, i will give a very good example, the year 2022, when we sat in the trenches and were ironed all night, ironed as much as possible, they only shut up when they were reloading, and there was such a night when a mortar, the 120th, worked very, very densely on us, and in the morning, i am not you, he worked the mortar all night. our positions, i couldn't stand it, i come to our mortars and say, i don't remember it anymore, if i'm not mistaken, it was already the month of may, guys, they say how much it is possible, we calculated that more than 100 mines fell on us, only according to our position of my unit, why you, and you ? were, you get there a little behind the rear on emotions and start arguing with them, you are angry, they calm down, calm down, where they took me

to a basement and said, look, these are slovak mines, 120s, these are czech mines, and this, if i am not mistaken, they spoke italian mines, ours are not there, ours are not there, that is, we were very much at that time deliveries abroad also saved a lot, and to say what's up, let the politicians say what they want abroad, we 'll do our own thing, so we have to do something our own, but we can't ignore it. or to ignore their opinion and not take into account their, their goals, their vision strategy, well, but in order to talk about peace, first we need to know with whom and what kind of peace we see, we see the peace of our victory, the borders of the year 91, we will talk further about what crimea is there, what kind of oo there is no introduction, that this is nonsense, this is nonsense, you understand that we, if we do not end this war, we will continue it. to our descendants, we also

know how in hrushevsky's time, when the ukrainian liberation council was created, there and the liberation council fought against the same enemy, our ous fought, failed, to whom they passed it on, to the descendants, if we do not finish it , and behind the frost there is some kind of conflict, we have an example in ossetia, we have an example, in moldova there is a frozen conflict, we are passing it on again, we will already in adulthood watch how our children, grandchildren will be with those survivors again. fighting the enemy is important thesis, on it we take a short break in the studio, we join roman bezsmertny via skype, historian, diplomat, extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine to belarus in 2010-11, mr. roman, we congratulate you, glory to ukraine, do you hear if you are with us, heroes slava, good evening, i hear you all very well, then let's start with belarus, of course, this is not the first time we hear these statements of theirs, but another one from their self-proclaimed president sounded that if someone in belarus...

then it will be the third world war , this is how he said how these statements should be perceived, that is, this just their wish that someone else heard something about this country, that it is there. well, lukashenko in himself is a walking dog, but it should be borne in mind that he opens his mouth only when he is given a command from the kremlin. ugh. and, always, when something sounds from there, it is a kind of distraction to some object. but here it is necessary to simply calculate what this is a distraction from and what it is said for, in principle. if you look at the current situation, then... you see that he spouts all kinds of nonsense for about two or three weeks, and this is the essence of this process, so that from time to time, the military-political leadership, the troops, first of all, they were grouped there,

and the military-political leadership was distracted, including, the information power of the state was also distracted, so this is filling the information space. certain informational garbage, this direction should always be treated very carefully, but after the last year and a half, when everything has actually been exported from belarus, because the mushrooms have been cleaned, and the armored vehicles have been exported, most of them have already been disposed of in the ukrainian donbas, we can talk about the potential for today belarusians, well, even more so. in these theses voiced by lukashenko, it is ridiculous, but i want to emphasize once again that especially in the area of ​​chernihiv oblast, especially in the area of ​​chernihiv oblast from the side of ukraine, where gomel is, one must always be very careful, because this

territory is periodically used and today for the launch of drones, but we remember the year 2022 well, i'm not talking about how ridiculous the statements look today, do you remember lukashenko that from the territory of belarus to ukraine only a tractor can drive in, tractors drove in only with guns in 2022, so this is a kind of another ipso in order to fill the information space, he is a satellite of führer moskovskyi, he will respond in the same way. put the accused on the bench for crimes against ukraine and the belarusian people. mr. roman, but speaking in general about our allies, our partners, it is still more correct to call them that, we hear from the military, including in our

studio, i absolutely agree with vitaly smilka that in fact, if we take the public the ukrainian plane, the ukrainian military never talks about negotiations, they never talk about... compromises, they talk about the final victory of ukraine on exclusively ukrainian terms, at the same time we understand that the collective measure is nevertheless in many statements, in many trends inclined towards that it is possible to stop shooting, then to drag it all out for a long time and to conditionally wait there for as long as putin's rule lasts, how do you assess... the world situation, what are they pushing us towards and how should we not be swayed by the proposals our allies partners? ladies and gentlemen, here i would ask that we separate the information that we can consume, and

it comes from different sources, from different journalists, etc. and the official position, you will not see anywhere in official statements that would say. .. about the need for some senseless negotiations or, even more so , territorial advances, who are talking about it, presidential candidates, deputies, representatives of individual political parties are talking about it, and be sure to extrapolate it to the ukrainian parliament, and here you have to to use a simple principle, as the saint said, everything is, everything is needed, and we will not get anywhere from this, let alone. say, now let's evaluate the official position, starting there from the european capitals, ending with washington, all of them are sincere, frank partners and allies, in this case of ukraine, and

today the ramstein format works as much as its capacity allows. we must always remember that democratic... countries of freedom do not work for military stock, and therefore stockpiles of weapons, weapons, armored vehicles, ammunition and so on are always limited there. from the point of view of the current assessment of the situation, it is definitely built on the basis of the dialogue between ukraine and its military-political leadership, not only the military, but i say it deliberately, the military-political and military leadership and all allies, starting from the ramstein format, ending with bilateral relations. it is important to remember that... that in the current situation, if we take international relations, then with such

an enemy as russia, as russia, its führer, it is necessary to work according to the principle of the whip and gingerbread, here are talks about negotiations, and here is the force factor, but as we will see in detail, in one case and in the other, there are a lot of shortcomings, although very serious progress over the years, i will remind ... to those in the studio, to those who remember, in 2014 we still had to convince this collective event that there is no civil war in ukraine. in 2021, most of them were as convinced as the führer and his clique that ukraine would not last. today, ukraine has abrams, has leopards has a small number of f-16s. and now we are talking about... lethal, high-precision missile complexes, the fact that this is a matter of time, and

it will be resolved positively, i have no doubt, that the countries of democracy, its fields, their political leadership are wavering with the electoral memory 'pendulum, this is also true, and it is also necessary, it is also necessary to understand, pay attention to how scholz's rhetoric changes, depending on the chancellor of germany, how the vote goes, or, let's say, how the tension in the united states congress changes , and in this regard, it is extremely necessary to keep in touch all the time and to cooperate, based on the possibilities that are available, because it is the mission of ukraine to convey a reliable fact to our partners and to convince them of the need for assistance and to increase this assistance, and here it is clear that there is a whole series of... colossal problems from two sides, on the one hand, it is today, if we

include the united states and european countries, they even have the power, they know this very well, not enough to ensure a war of such intensity , i want to give you a quote from the report of the commander of nato's joint forces in europe from a month ago. general cavoli at a-a meeting that took place in the pentagon, when he said that the pentagon and the united states of america have yet to create a defense-industrial complex that will be able to provide a war of such intensity that ukraine is waging against russia today, defending itself. it's almost a quote. from this it is obvious that in this regard there are a number of problems that are necessary. to decide, and they refer to absolutely the entire spectrum, starting from political, ending

with technological issues, because the answer to some of them in principle has not been formed to date, so in this case there will definitely be acute problems, there will be emotions, everything will happen, but we need to conduct this dialogue, we need to negotiate, we need to increase aid, to increase this assistance. including the fact that it was necessary to say a long, long time ago, as french president macron began to say about the involvement of personnel, i am no longer saying that the formation of the headquarters command is based on the ramstein format, including now ask yourself a question, now everyone is talking about some plan and strategy that president zelensky has brought, will bring, will meet, will inform. in washington to the leaders of washington, well , president zelensky himself is talking about it, everyone

is excellent, everyone perfectly understands what the development of a strategy or plan is, it first of all comes from the available resource, about the resource, i heard kraimukh what you just said, how to make strategy or plan when you don't have the volume of the resource, even if you have something, then you, as it is now fashionable to say in the world, you use it with... but this does not mean that for today we should reject any dialogues with allies and partners and talk about the fact that we ourselves, we ourselves should build up the potential. and no one should deny this , moreover, it is obvious that today it is clear that this potential must be created , including outside the borders of ukraine, and in this regard, it is necessary to work, including in those possible formats that are emerging now, it is difficult, difficult work, it is the most unpleasant and painful because ukraine

pays for it with human lives, with the lives of the armed forces of ukraine, but defending ourselves, having these allies and partners, we need to increase this assistance thanks to dialogue with him, thanks to mutual understanding, thanks to clarification, because in fact this is one of the few options, which allows sustaining and increasing the potential of the armed forces of ukraine and the entire ukrainian state. mr. roman, we wanted you to comment on another statement by the polish minister of foreign affairs, well, the statement, in our opinion, sounded strange, after all, the ukrainian side on she answered: radoslav sikorsky believes that crimea is of key importance if the terms of peace between ukraine and russia are to be discussed, and he proposed to transfer the peninsula,

our peninsula, under the mandate of the un for the preparation of a referendum there, and sikorsky believes that if... both countries want, then a solution could be found here, here is his quote now our viewers see on the screens, after all, the head of the president's office yaermak answered that crimea is ukraine. menzhelis of the crimean people also said that it should be decided with the participation of the crimean tatars, first of all, well, definitely not external forces, but why the minister of foreign affairs of poland makes such statements, it is interesting, well, i think, especially in lviv. everyone perfectly understands that sparks have appeared in polish-ukrainian relations in the last three months, and these sparks are very unpleasant, including sikorsky, who previously took a completely different position, including on the issue that has now been voiced, now after a meeting with the president of ukraine in kyiv,

and a meeting that was quite emotional, and, as far as i understand, it was unpleasant for both parties. also started gushing out similar ideas, and so, what needs to be done here, because simply reflecting on such things, especially with such an ally and a country that plays a very large role in helping ukraine, is completely inappropriate. it is obvious that today there is a need at the inter-parliamentary, intergovernmental level, and at the level of chapters. states to work out a mechanism of interaction in order to relieve this tension. i represent the generation of ukrainian politicians who had to deal with this and build relations with the then president kwasniwski, with the then parliament, the government of poland, and for many years these problems were removed. to date

, it is clear that the fsb has a lot to do, they have been twisting this... sharmanka for a whole year, sometimes at the border, then with farmers, and now they have raised other issues. in this regard, interaction between the two capitals is necessary, systemic interaction, i want to emphasize once again, at one time the ukrainian parliament had to vote with the polish parliament for a minute on certain issues, in order to take them down. the fact that this one is being promoted now wipe the bag. between warsaw and kyiv is nonsense from all points of view, because there is no reason for it, which certainly gives rise to similar statements by sikorsky, which, from my point of view, are only a consequence of the economic situation, well, unless the approach of the presidential election campaign in poland. we thank roman

bezsmertny, a historian-diplomat, the extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine in belarus, and here is the question of what, i now... i don't remember logically, but it seems to me that mr. sikorsky, or rather before the meeting in kyiv, was in lviv, looked at these destroyed the houses in which ordinary citizens lived, expressed his condolences, spoke about the fact that the poles are ready to restore, help, one house, he then clarified, they will repair one, mr. maksym plekhov said, here is the question of our defense. production, are we able to develop it in the conditions in which we live now, because we understand, it is constant missile attacks, it is problems with electricity, it is - i think it is a big problem in some regions with those people who are ready , well, we see that the sbu is detaining various people the kind of informants who are ready to leak this

information to the russians, because we understand that, like israel, until we produce the necessary amount of weapons for defense, we will still be dependent on our partners in one way or another, let's look at this issue a little more broadly , if we say for the production of weapons, it is not that... the production of weapons, this is the first also their components, yes, that is, the components, if we say for the artillery projectile, it is the explosive, it is the gunpowder, it is the capsule, it is a huge industry of everything, what is needed in order to produce any kind of armament, today what we see on the international markets, today the whole world is starting to arm itself, we see today stolberg's statements that it is necessary to increase the budgets of countries above 2% of the gdp of most nato countries, and today we see that there are a lot of components . which we do not produce today, the queue for them on the world markets is about one to two years, this concerns primarily explosives, so if we talk about the production of weapons, ammunition, it is

generally a very complex process, what we have today, we are really dependent from a bunch of ours partners and foreign suppliers, this dependence is constant, every month it decreases, this is due to strategic internal investments in the construction of new plants. if we talk about today's situation, well, first of all, the problem of energy, in fact, most manufacturers have solved it, yes, that is, we had diesel generators there a year ago, today gas generation is being started, most of the manufacturers have their own, if we are talking about the issue of safety, then the question is really relevant, because today we cannot invest such huge funds construction of underground bunkers and serious fortifications, while we do not see. there is an opportunity for the state to hand over old soviet fortifications, which were once built in the west of ukraine to store ammunition, well, we saw with our own eyes how in old soviet

fortifications, which were transferred to private property, which can withstand a shaft, today apples are stored, and so cool today there really is, so, so, if we are talking about the future, then first of all we need to understand how we will develop our own defense industry, for what kind of money, because today there is clearly... competition between the state and private defense industry, that is, the most important thing, what will this future be like, will we receive state support for the development of private utk, or will we get the opportunity to hand over facilities for use, which can be the basis for the creation of closed productions, we say from the soviet facilities, also including possibly salt mines, because most of the production that is being considered today, they are related primarily to production. projectiles, with the production of projectiles, production explosives, for this we need to create the conditions, secondly, we have a lot today, huge problems with the outflow of personnel and the outflow of businesses began to arise, today ukraine has become

a very cool platform that produces, develops, creates a really interesting solution on the battlefield, and some foreign companies are very interested in buying out specialists, buying out startups so that it is produced already on foreign territories, in turn, we understand that... the problem we are facing today is internal investments, for the development of pkc, for the construction of any production, it starts with one, 2-5 million dollars, we need an internal resource that will create investment opportunities in order to further develop this production, so the main thing we need today is we need to think about the future, if we do not create a system and probably do not use the example of south korea, which is after the war. even in the conditions of a frozen conflict, created a huge industrial complex and today produces lithics of the fourth plus generation, then probably in our there will be problems in this war, because

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speaking... about the help we receive from the united states, from our other partners, and how much more do we need to at least match the costs that so far, they can still, we hope, not long to afford the russian war, it is a wrong position to match the finances, we are not equal to the aggressor who attacked our country, but we can in terms of technology, how they build their economy . they have the so-called military economy, they put it on war flights, what does that mean? they directed all state finances to the military industry, how should we do it, in our country we cannot compete in that area, we need to build an innovative, creative economy, an economy of small hubs, small teams, where, for example, and this is an example where there is also , where small teams come together, generate ideas, and those ideas are very quickly implemented on

the battlefield. let's take today's drone and drone 3.