there was such an event as zelensky's call to trump, yes, that is, he was not an official person of the united states, and trump is still not, but zelensky considered it appropriate to actually contact him, that is, it is already a game, if for the future, if suddenly something happens, so does the second moment, the second moment, this is what it is. when we talk about possible negotiations, we are talking about the fact that these negotiations should be exclusively on ukrainian terms, yes, that is, they should be, should be beneficial to ukraine, and here already the question of where the advantage for ukraine ends and where our loss begins, let's say, if we are talking about a political solution, eh...

moreover, i will say one more message, if only, which at one time, again, about two months ago voiced by zelensky, the fact that the war cannot last forever, yes, that is, it must end somehow, and it cannot be extremely long, yes, and again, i think, this is connected with the fact that there is a change of elites in the west, it is not in favor of ukraine, tusk came to power in poland, no. supposedly a pro-western politician, yes more pro-western than his predecessors, but we see a cooling of the political elites' attitude towards ukraine, another politician came to power in great britain led by a stav who declares that he will continue to support ukraine, but we do not see , for example, reports of that the drive that boris johnson had, yes, that is, there is a decline, starting with johnson. which was

extremely ukrainian-centric and as of now, so even if kamala garis wins in the states, she is still not so is interested in ukraine, like biden, and, therefore, it is necessary to have a backup option, i think so, and now zelenskyi is working in this direction, and this idea of ​​negotiations should not be perceived as a possible, if... night about the capitulation of ukraine, but as an attempt to find more arguments for our victory. plan a, plan b, what western partners always demand. about the economy of war, which is also very important in the context of a long-term, long-term war. nina yuzhanina, member of the verkhovna rada committee on finance, tax and customs policy. in the first read deputies voted. a change, a change

to taxes, an increase in these taxes, in my subjective opinion, this actually indicates that the parliamentarians and our government are preparing for the fact that the war may be long, and in particular, we really want this to not happen again a situation when information appears almost officially from government officials that there is no funding for the... military in the fall, because it almost came to such wording that the government planned that the war should end in the summer, mrs. nina, tell me to what extent are these changes important, what are they, what will they mean for ordinary ukrainians, those who watch our broadcast, and what will this mean for the ukrainian economy? good evening to all those present in the studio, viewers of the tv channel, in fact you are speaking... now you

are discussing very urgent issues, but we all must understand that at this time the economy of the country must live and business must work, fill the state budget, and we must finance all the needs of our security and defense sector, and what happened this year, well, first of all, this information that began to spread from the authorities, that we have nothing to pay for the fighting there for september, or at all eh... military support, i think it is wrong, there was absolutely no need to start such conversations even in society, because we have to understand, we always have, thank god , now there is a working executive and legislative power, which must urgently gather and do everything necessary to prevent this from happening, especially since we have such opportunities, you just said about raising taxes, and so... this must

be considered in combination with the fact that is happening, a law was voted on yesterday as a whole, these are changes to the state budget, where 495.3 billion hryvnias were added to the state budget, that is, it turns out that we are already in the middle of september, and we have the budget has not been drawn up by the end of the year, and that is very bad, well, first of all, it is the first time in the history of ukraine that the drawn up budget does not meet exactly the funding needs in such an amount, and this is the funding of not only the armed forces, but... of the entire security and defense sector, and not only, and all this work, which concerns what reorganizations need to be done in the state budget, how to transfer payments and non-priority expenditures planned until the end of the year from other ministries and agencies,

to those to which we need to add money now in order for financing to take place, because some things just happen due to the movement of numbers, let's put it more simply. and some amount needs to be collected additionally, so of the 495 billion , only 30 billion need to be collected in taxes by the end of the year, but there was so much negative information around this that in fact it's not worth it, because these 30 billion could be quietly collected at the expense of raising taxes on literally one or two industries, or bring the existing norms of the tax code into line and nothing would have happened. now the whole society guesses what it is about, but does not know to the end. every ukrainian, starting from october 1 this year, will pay from his salary, his salary and other taxable income, the military levy has been increased

to 5%. if you think that in the name of the military levy means that these funds go solely to finance the military? no, they go to the general fund of the state budget. boiler, from where are the funds then distributed? i looked today at the forecast figures for the budget for 2025, and i just want to tell you that at the time when i said on all the broadcasts that every public official, teacher, doctor, budget employee from any area of ​​the budget will definitely pay more and will receive less income that can be disposed of, and this is not small... secondly, we introduced a military levy, previously private entrepreneurs did not pay on the first, second and fourth group, there will be a mandatory payment for them, all this results in people already doubting whether

it is done correctly, or whether the state really does not have other resources, and at the time when the authorities say that you must pay for your own safety, let's raise more money, at this time there are other resources that could be raised, and the most alarming thing is the planning of spending for the next year 2025. i looked at the draft state budget, and i simply can't believe it, because the biggest increases are expenses, for example, on the prosecutor's office, more 3.5 billion for the next year, and can you imagine, in this amount, an increase in their wages by 26%. of course, for them the military levy, the raising of the military levy will be imperceptible, and for a teacher with his salary of 10-12 00, this is a significant amount, and at the same time, we know that our teachers, precisely those who receive somewhere average salaries, the most will be donated,

if we look further, the tax plus 3 billion, the state property fund + 2 billion, the courts 1 billion 640 million and the economic security bureau half a billion, do you think, is it in the background what is happening in society, what the authorities said about the lack of money, is it even possible to live according to such a schedule, where the responsibility is this, that is why, of course , the most difficult days are now in the verkhovna rada, and the previous ones, and tomorrow will be the presentation of the state budget, we must try by all means to prove that we cannot live in such a world. we need to actually build a budget that allows us to exclusively finance all increases, cancel them and concentrate as much as possible on financing our security and defense sector. in our studio has questions for you or comments. first of all, it is maksym plekhov, the chairman

of the board of the lviv defense cluster. maxim's word to you. first, there is a small comment on why we are introducing new taxes within the budget year. to the union of the federation of employers of ukraine, yes, that is, you know, i think that it does not work like that, an increase in taxes cannot lead to an increase in the budget, yes, that is, we can look at world history, yes, that is, we i don't know of such examples where it could be the same if the cow is given more and less crimea, it will not give more milk, that is, we are ready to support the state always, yes, that is, we do it constantly, well, if we have direct defense expenses, let's direct it... specifically to defense, we say today about 5% additional from each employee, please tell me, that

is, do you think that we will reduce the salary of employees? no, these are just employer salaries, the salary will remain the same, thereby we will reduce the investment opportunities of the business, we will take away all the money for investment, and today it will go to the general fund of the budget, that is , it is simply an unclear strategy, first of all, no one has warned us how to review state contracts, including the fact that the profitability of our contracts is decreasing, some contracts are in the negative, we let's do it realistically, that is, we can see that it was necessary to prove it in general from next year, as it is necessary, secondly, we will not understand at all when, where these funds will go, we are ready to give these funds clearly to the target fund, let's see the fund, this for wages military personnel separately, well, the question is , why, how did we get to this point, you said everything correctly now, yesterday the amendment failed, only 51 people's deputies voted for it, i proposed... but about the creation of a special fund in the state budget for enrollment the military levy,

even if it were to go up, if, we should know for sure, i recommended that the department of defense be directed specifically to the military support program and combat pay, it was not supported in the house, and if to answer your question in general, you are absolutely right, raising taxes in the middle of the year has no unforeseen negative consequences. because each tax increase on wages leads to a 2% increase in wages in the shadow. it was very difficult at the beginning of the 14th and 15th years , remember when the single social contribution was reduced from 40% to 22%. do you think there was enough money in the pension fund then? no, we were looking for options on how to reduce the tax burden so that wages would increase . and this effect worked visually, because right now, in

our country, it is very difficult to treat the positive, because they do not believe the authorities and say, let's try, and when the authorities kept their word and did not increase the tax burden on the wage fund, more or less white payments began to fill our budgets , especially local personal income tax, what will happen next, you are right in saying that... that business will be forced to raise, obviously , wages and pay at its own expense, because we already have a shortage of workers, and people are used to get clean hands, therefore, as a result, the business will pay less in other taxes, but no one calculates this effect, they calculated that if the tax base is multiplied by an additional 3.5%, then every month there will be an additional filling of 10. this is the arithmetic for you, the authorities do not think about the negative consequences, and even more so, if

the committee is represented by a person who does not see ukrainian business in front of his eyes at all, everything is covered with slogans that you have to pay for your security. yuriy pidlisny, doctor of philosophy, head of the department of political sciences of the ukrainian catholic university university it seems to me that there is a lot in these questions, about raising taxes and so on. nice pafus, but if we look at the question price until the end of the year - 30 billion hryvnias, yes, then we can see how much of our economy is really in the shadows right now, so this is one of the resources, but here we need to be creative to approach, secondly, how many interesting schemes do we have that are used at customs, which, by the way, import various goods illegally and kill. real producer, in addition, if we want to have an increase in taxes,

revenues to the budget, then perhaps it is worth using such tools, i don't know, i'm not a businessman, but i heard from many businessmen that these loans at 5-7-9% have had an effect and they have launched some productions that give taxes , then it is possible to develop this way, i understand that you can talk a lot pathetically, but will it have an effect, because... really, if we look at the average salary in ukraine, and i know people who have a salary of up to 10,000, ugh, then taking another 3.5% from them will... hit you very hard, i will answer you this way, as for the shadow sector of the economy, it has actually grown so much that the government, as i understand it, does not want to deal with it even up to 40%. uh, regarding streamlining work at customs, well, for this, a lot

of willpower is needed to make a political decision and withdraw from there all law enforcement agencies that... are in the customs control zone, and all these issues should have been dealt with earlier, and let's assume that in reality it is necessary to collect 30 billion urgently. but there are sources that can be quickly filled. it was also demonstrated yesterday where you can take it 18 billion. look, we have not used it until the end of the year, there are 8 billion left, these are investment-nannies from the state budget, payment, these are industrial parks, this is... the railway program and there are also various programs, which to date, they remain unused, this resource should definitely be raised and taken away for use, to finance the armed forces, but the authorities acted in a different way, allowing taxes to be raised, because supposedly this justifies us in front of our partners, that

we are also doing something, but we can force our people paying more is actually… absolute lack of understanding of one's own economy and what needs to be done. and at the end of this block, i want to tell you that i, for example, proposed, if you have legalized gambling now, and more than 200 billion are lost a year because of gambling, they pay only by agreement 5% of the tax burden, why people everyone pays, citizens pay 18 plus one and a half percent of the military levy now. someone from such a highly profitable business, i'm afraid to even call it a business, only pays so little load, let's set an increased rate for them, we calculated, and this is even from the fact that they show legally what they receive, we could collect from the gambling business at a rate instead of 18, it will be 50,

20 billion uah by the end of this year, thank you , therefore everything depended on the courage of the authorities to actually do something thinking, and not at the expense of the people. nina yuzhannina, member of the verkhovna rada committee on finance, tax and customs policy. we are smoothly entering the final minutes of our broadcast. mr. fityo, war and finances, your topic, will we have enough money, first of all, for defense capability, provision of our state this year, next years, and... and are these changes in the tax regulations that we are talking about now and voted for in the first reading will people's elected officials be able to be effective? well, i'll answer briefly yes, but if it's about taxes, then let's talk about taxes. the first thesis: taxes in ukraine are among the lowest in europe. this is true. let's not take moldova there or any other strange countries there, well,

there are normal countries, let's say so. second the question is, what is panizha? parks, that 's what the industrial park is, our industrial parks, which would have, there are preferences for value added tax, for the import of raw materials, for, for payment for land and so on, and so on, that is, there are quite large preferences, what concerns what we are, shall we say, retroactively importing, or introducing tax rate increases during the budget year, this is... not isolated examples, this, we have known this from dvn for a long time, this and retroactively, and vat was introduced retroactively, and so on, and so on, i.e or social contributions, so, so, well, let's put it this way, we have to understand, we are under martial law, i already mentioned south korea, south korea there were several waves when the population carried their own savings, and it was necessary

to understand that well, there was also a war there, in particular, that's why you have to understand and you have to treat our country with responsibility. the second question: where, where to get money? let's think like this, now zelensky is traveling with a peace plan, let's remember, putin, remember, there was covid, what did putin travel with, he vaccine, he traveled around the countries, then he was visiting different countries and offered his own three developments, there were vaccines against covid, and he promoted developments against those innovative developments, as well as here now ukraine is a leader in drone technologies. software technologies and so on, i will not announce the whole list now, this is what should be introduced, should lead our technologies, industrial parks should develop on these technologies, and we should also push. next, if we talk about russia's gdp, it is in dollars $2.2 when we we are talking about the gdp of ukraine, it is 200 billion

dollars. you look where, and our population is four times smaller than that of our aggressor. that is why i see developing innovative technologies here, investing money there, zelensky should go for investments and promote his own technologies, we should increase. and what does such a low gdp depend on, on labor productivity, the cost of energy sources, that is, first, energy supply and the implementation of innovative processes that increase labor productivity, and one more thesis, the next, today's formula for victory - these are robots, making robots that destroy other robots. plekhov, a short retort, then jumped, like a person who planned to build a technology park for the time being, the first technology parks do not have a vat discount. yes, that is, today's actual raw materials. there is only income tax and vat on equipment, collection of customs duties, you have a delay, the fee

will be there, the nature of customs duty and vat is the same free economic zone - this is today really an opportunity for the further development of the military industry, yes, this is one of today's urgent issues, if we let's take poland, there are 14 free economic zones in the united states 130, so one of the opportunities today to attract funds is... the opportunity to attract foreign investments, investments never come to places where taxes are increased, today it is possible to create free economic zones, attract investments in the military industry, investments that will come to the military industry, they will go to the economy, we will not go today, today, sorry, our drones are abroad, i am communicating with a large number of foreign partners abroad, who today are putting their own drones in the last tender in london, even for drones for ukraine , participation of ukrainian companies, actually companies established in europe, was prohibited. if on this

topic, then i will say about two points, i.e. at first it seemed to me, when i heard this news about 5%, that this is a positive decision, because the support for the event is really falling, donat nase. in the same way, i think, they are decreasing, because fatigue is also observed in ukrainian society, unfortunately, and that is why in fact the 5% expected salaries are something like forced donations, yes, that is, we will donate, but not because we want to, but because this money is taken from us, an interesting wording, the only thing that caused me a reservation. well, the fact that taxes, their increase slows down the economy, this is well an axiom, it is clear, therefore there is a danger here,

but i was also warned by the fact that in fact this 5% military levy, they will not go directly to the military, it turns out, they will go to there are a lot of different needs, and there is already corruption and everything else, and that is why i, unfortunately, after this transfer, i was disappointed in the positive of those 5%. mr. smilka, but the military does not feel what we are talking about in our studio, what the ukrainian authorities are talking about, that it is necessary to look for additional funding somewhere, you know, i never cease to wonder at our officials, what do you understand, military, who is now at zero, who is risking his life every second, every minute, every hour, every day, for what? in order for the deputies' advisers' salaries to be raised, he, sitting in the trenches, thought that he was supporting these fighters,

who he was with blood, sweat, health, and sometimes earns with his life, so that he still has to think about whether he will receive or whether he will send from the family those funds that, in order for the family to have something to live on, and in nothing, well, you take away from the family, which could make repairs there. do that, help in the household, earn money somewhere at work, bring it home, you snatched him completely, protect him, he faithfully fulfills his duty, and he still has to think whether the funds will come or not, at the time when you raise , i say, to my same advisers, you have 30 of them in that verkhovna rada of those advisers, you you raise, and the military still has to think about it, you know, life has the shape of a boomerang, and i am afraid that later on , a time may come when... you will have to answer why yes, why yes, don't bring the situation to absurdity , don't prove it, we can see how many, you know, i

communicated with... one border guard, i won't name who, who works at odessa customs. he said: you know, if at least 50% of the customs, all the money that circulates at the odessa customs, were to be taken out of the black sea into the white sea, let's say this, he would there was enormous money, we could not only finance battalions, finance new brigades, fully provide for everyone, if those funds are withdrawn, well... you know, declare the fight against corruption, declare the fight from 10 seconds we must finish it, and not do it, well you know, this is sand in the eyes, we must really remember that now everything most important for our country is happening on the fronts, and all the most important things are being done by the ukrainian armed forces, and only when they are provided with everything necessary, then we can

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