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saturday political club every saturday at espresso. trump is trying to eliminate or remove altogether from the political game. trump is so cool that even attempts are made on him. it is necessary to support ukraine as much as it is necessary. and what do the americans say? in general. the consequences of the election can be quite dramatic. the election temperature in america does not drop. lack of answers to the question of how to restrain russia already in the near future? make ukraine a vassal. russia, or should it also frighten ukrainians? all that said, it doesn't mean that these are exactly the ideas that donald trump shares. there should be negotiations between moscow and washington, what is the truth here, and what is election pr? you are watching radio svoboda's weekly video podcast, state situation. i am rostyslav khotin. well, it will help us understand the staffing situation in the american.

political science professor of baylar university in texas, serhii kudelya, to the election situation. sergey, i congratulate you. hello, rostislav. so, well, as if we already had everything. and the removal of joe biden after an unsuccessful debate with trump, and the nomination of kamala harris, and the first attempt to assassinate trump, and colorful candidates for vice presidents, and the debate donald trump, kamala harris, as if everything had already happened, but the degree, the electoral degree of temperature in america is not falling, is it? indeed, political tension remains quite high in united states, and the debate was not introduced. some clarity in the political, the political distribution of supporters between trump and harris, and they remain about the same level, in many states they have about the same number of supporters, and against the background of this

growing uncertainty, about the results, we are seeing outbreaks of political violence, they are happening on at the local level, we 're hearing about threats being made against local... officials in cities, in several states, an assassination attempt on presidential candidate donald trump, he's asking a broader question about american democracy and about the state of american society, because this level of political violence, it is inherent in countries with weak democracies , countries with certain authoritarian elements, but it is quite unique in countries with established democracies, such as the united states, it is on. .. really as a result of the strengthening of distrust among americans in democratic institutions and in the key democratic institution namely in the institution of voters, elections, and in my opinion such a problem, a problem of political violence, it could worsen significantly in the coming weeks and months as we see,

as you say, an increase in tension on the one hand, on the other hand we hear constant calls from both sides to mobilize their supporters. in his favor and the demonization of his opponents, as well as this course of the election campaign, he says that the consequences of the elections can be quite dramatic. regarding the ukrainian aspects of this assassination attempt, the second assassination attempt against donald trump, it is known that the suspect, ryan wesley rudd, he visited ukraine, he participated in rallies on the independence square, he was also involved, so to speak, in recruiting volunteers. for the foreign legion, which is fighting for ukraine against russia, it is true that the foreign legion also disowned him, but nevertheless, he called to help ukraine and believed that the war against ukraine against the attack of russia is a struggle between good and evil. how

do americans comment on these ukrainian aspects of the suspect? the ukrainian aspect, and its history related to ukraine, its... activism in ukraine became known quite quickly, just a few hours after the information about the attempt, we saw on the screens of cnn television of other channels, photos of rut on the maidan, photos of rut surrounded by ukrainians, but many observers in america emphasize another aspect of rut's biography, this aspect is related to his rather unsuccessful business activities, the aspect is related to his problems with the law enforcement officers, he was not'. once detained by american law enforcement officers, he was accused of resisting arrest, neglecting his clients, so he was not very stable, not very stable man with a very dubious

business past, and according to many it is this part of ruth's biography that explains his decision to do what he did, which is to try to probably try... to assassinate donald trump, however, from the point of view of republicans, especially many supporters of donald trump, ruth's connection with ukraine is not accidental, and for example kalson tatucker kalson, we know, one from known media journalists, one of donald trump's supporters, he says that in fact, ruth's connection with ukraine emphasizes or indicates what is behind the assassination attempt. there is a deep state, so he adds this connection to the conspiracy theories circulating in republican circles, which indicate that they are trying to remove trump or remove him from the political game altogether. in one of the analyzes about this attempt to assassinate donald

trump, it was read that ukraine, they say, is again returning to the epicenter of the american election campaign. would you agree with that? ukraine remained and remains at the epicenter of the american election campaign, although the issue of foreign policy itself is not very important for voters, but... discussions about the ukrainian issue, they are still ongoing, and we have seen, for example, the appearance of commercials from kamela harris, in in certain states where a large part of ukrainians live, we also saw a discussion last week of possible scenarios for the end of the russian-ukrainian war by the candidate for vice president jadi vance, so ukraine sounds all the time, and it only strengthens this connection. with ruta's ukraine, on the contrary, he strengthens the discussion of ukraine in the context of pre-election

battles in america. there is indeed a lot of talk about the polarization of american domestic politics. here, in particular, they cite this famous tweet on the network of ex elon musk, a supporter of donald trump. he wrote: "and no one is even trying to kill biden kamala." he then said he was misunderstood, this humor was misunderstood, he deleted the post. cleaned up him, but a hint, how did they understand me that trump is so cool that even attempts are made on him, others are not, by the way, there was also a statement by biden and kamala harris, separate statements condemning this attempted assassination, but there was also a statement by trump himself that, they say, the rhetoric of joe biden and kamala harris provokes such attacks on him, how to deal with it, well, in fact, the reaction of donald trump. on the second attempt, it was indeed very different from how he reacted

to the first attempt. as we remember, in july donald trump called on the american society to unite, to stop any disputes and hostilities. there were such conciliatory words in his statements. and now this is conciliatory rhetoric, it has completely disappeared, he almost immediately accused the white house of having inspired, as he said, ruth on the assassination attempt against him, and he points out that the way he is portrayed as a threat to the democracy of the united states actually gives carte blanche to many others, those who are his opponents, to carry out similar, similar actions. among political consultants donald trump, there's also some concern about it escalating too much. conflict, because it shifts the focus of pre-election debates to the discussion of

who is responsible for what, for the attacks, who organized them, and instead of talking about discussing his pre-election platform, putting forward some ideas, new reforms, some initiatives, trump is forced to share his concerns about who might attempt to assassinate him again, it could basically have a pretty demobilizing effect on... his constituents, a significant number of republicans, who may be concerned about their own safety. his rallies continue, but the number of people who come there may decrease due to the obvious security threats, and if trump's core remains likely to turn out to vote, then a large number of republicans may think that this is not really the right thing to do, which is possible. it may pose certain threats to them. so there's some concern that trump supporters might not turn up, come out and

vote for him. what conclusions should the us secret service draw for itself, which guards, should they guard presidential candidates? well, this is not normal in principle, in a couple of months it is already the second, the second attempt to assassinate the former president and presidential candidate. well, actually, after the first attempt, an assassination attempt happened, happened. a significant change in how security is provided to trump, the number of guards has increased, but as we can see, this was not enough, the white house says that for the presidential candidate, it is enough, that in principle they are not provided for them some level security for example, the president or vice president of the united states, but many republicans and generally outsiders to his audience are calling for the white house to really increase. the number of bodyguards, because in general, if these, this political violence

continues at such a high level, then the reputation of the united states will be under great threat, the reputation of the state, which is democratic, because we see the direct interference of external factors in the domestic political process, in the election campaign . let's change the topic a little, move on to another block. the other day it was made public that was called: the peace plan of jady vance, who is a vice presidential candidate on donald trump's team. there he laid out his vision, how he sees the completion of the russian language. of the ukrainian war, and in particular he says that it is necessary to create some kind of demilitarized zone along the current demarcation line along the current front line in the war, he writes, in particular, he spoke in an interview, trump sits down and tells the russians, ukrainians and europeans: you guys need to figure out what

a peaceful settlement looks like, and this is probably it looks like the current line. demarcation between russia and ukraine, which becomes a demilitarized zone. end of quote. that is, in fact, it is about a kind of freezing of the conflict, isn't it? that is, that this front line is frozen, a demilitarized zone is created, with the withdrawal of weapons and so on. something catches your eye here, in general, how do you like this idea? this idea is not new, it is voiced by jaydy vance, but it has been voiced by many on... academics and experts last year, for example, there was an article in foreign affairs, and this idea is generally described as an attempt to repeat the korean scenario, that is, a scenario in which , after a long war, it appears that neither side can achieve any decisive victory, and with the help of external actors of great powers,

then it was the united states and the soviet union, and now it may be the united states states. and china, the reconciliation of these two sides is taking place, but not reconciliation as a political solution to the conflict, but reconciliation in the sense of defining the signing of a cease- fire agreement, which also includes certain elements how relations between the two sides are regulated, there is the presence of observers, for example, in this demilitarized zone in order to warn of the possibility of a resumption of hostilities, so a whole package of actions related to that. in order to stop military actions first of all, and this is explained in general by many experts who support this idea by humanitarian, humanitarian factors first of all, that is, it is about the fact that we see that a large number of ukrainians died already during the war, and because the war does not have any quick resolution, large

numbers are likely to die in the future, so the best...or best of the worst outcomes that are realistic from the point of view of many analysts is to stop hostilities now and sign such a cease-fire agreement. when people talk about the demilitarized zone, the korean scenario, the 38th parallel, the demilitarized zone between the two koreas, the south and the north, comes to mind immediately, by the way, i was there once, but this zone already exists. more than 70 years since 1953 year, the conflict will actually freeze and in ukraine may last for many, many decades, as the korean scenario shows, should it scare ukrainians, such proposals, in fact it is actually not not not the worst, the worst

development of events, the worst development of events can be that in the event that russia uses this period of ceasefire in order to restore its military power, buy new missiles in iran and north korea and start a new round of aggression against ukraine in the coming years, this can be prevented in only two ways: the first way is to include ukraine in nato, the second way is to place american or western military bases on the territory of ukraine. however, neither the first nor the second scenario, which can be used to prevent the future new aggression of russia against ukraine, is not supported by either jd vance or donald trump. jaydy vance directly said that we want to make ukraine neutral, and this will be part of the agreement. ukraine should become a neutral state. and, of course, jd vance and donald trump oppose expanding

military presence in the world, in ukraine in particular, in order not to waste resources on a country that... which in their opinion does not belong to the sphere of key national interests of the united states, so it seems to me that the key key problem of this plan there is precisely the lack of answers to the question of how to restrain russia already in the near future. look, jaydy vance is indeed proposing to restore ukraine from membership in the north atlantic alliance. should this also frighten ukrainians, the almost demilitarized zone is a kind of freeze. of the conflict and also the rejection of nato and security guarantees. of course, and this is really a demonstration that for jaydee vance and donald trump, maybe this plan is the plan. solving the problem for the period of their rule, for a period of four years, maybe eight years, that is, the horizon of their strategizing is quite limited, it is limited by their own political career,

but they do not look at what long-term consequences this plan can have for ukraine, what risks does he create for ukrainian security, and in this regard from this point of view, it undoubtedly causes for kyiv, for the official... and for ukrainians, it should cause a lot of anxiety. it is also important to note that if we compare the korean scenario with ukraine, in the case of korea it was about a civil war, ah, which was fought over the question of what the future korean state would be like. we remember that the war itself began after the japanese occupation of the korean peninsula ended. in the case of ukraine, we are talking about external aggression, about aggression. one state, against another state, therefore, if we sign a treaty that gives part of the territories to this other state, we actually legitimize such forms of external aggression

by the states of neighboring states against each other, and demonstrate to other states that, in principle , it is possible to start new wars, and they can receive certain territorial gains from these wars, so this is the plan, it will have wider negative consequences for the whole world. of the people's system, and jay vance, speaking about non-membership in nato, adds that non-membership in other allied institutions as well, about which it is about the european union, it is about europe in general, but what about the maidan in ukraine, the war for europe, the european future of ukraine, ukraine's membership, european integration into the eu, that is, in general, does the eu also mean that ukraine is in the european shouldn't there be a union? well, it's quite possible, we don't know the details of what jaydy vance is proposing, maybe he's really talking about the european union, it's not really up to jaydy vance to decide whether ukraine will be a member of the european union or

not, even if he's the vice president, but here it is also important to note that jay vance has recently been articulating such radical proposals, ideas from which donald trump sometimes distances himself, for example, during the last debate, donald trump was asked whether he would introduce a national ban in general. the national abortion ban proposed by jaydee vance, and trump said, "i've never talked about that with jaydee vance, i don't know what he's talking about." i mean, jaydy vance, he has his audience, he speaks to such a conservative core the wings of the republican party, which is called the maga, the maga wing, that is, the wing of those who support the slogan of donald trump, make america greater, it's quite a ... kind of environment, it's quite such a right, ultra-right environment, and donald trump understands that the environment needs to be talked about, and perhaps jd vance is the

person who appeals to this environment at the beginning of the election and before the election itself, but everything that jay vance says does not mean that these are the ideas that donald trump shares and that he will have them somehow implement, i also watched the general's interview. master, he was an adviser to donald trump when he was president on national security issues, he says this, he said directly: jd vance's plan is a plan to make ukraine a vassal of russia. and what do the americans say in general, what does the survey say, how, how this plan, how these ideas of jaydy vance are perceived by the americans? so there's actually a certain split among republicans, one of the polls that was done in january of this year. demonstrates that those republicans who support donald trump are significant, are largely in favor of ending aid to ukraine, and the other part of the republicans, on the contrary, they are divided

in half, roughly divided in half, in terms of supporting ukraine, so again , the core of trump's supporters is quite skeptical about ukraine, but in general , the last poll that was conducted in august of this year, it shows that the absolute majority of americans. more than 60%, they sympathize with ukraine in the war with russia, they would like or long for the victory of ukraine, but there is a difference in how republicans and democrats look to aid ukraine, so when voters were asked how long the united states should support ukraine, a majority of democrats, more than 60%, said support ukraine should be as long as necessary. at the same time, more than 50% of republicans, republican respondents, said that it is necessary to support ukraine for about 1-2 years,

hence the level. support, on the one hand, everyone supports ukraine, on the other hand, the willingness to pay for this support varies depending on the which political camp you belong to, but one more nuance is important here: this survey also asked how much the respondents are in favor of the idea of ​​negotiations, whether the united states is needed, whether the united states should try to organize negotiations between ukraine and the russian federation, and... in therefore , both democrats and republicans gave approximately the same answer to the question, the absolute majority say that negotiations should be held and they are favorable to the idea of ​​negotiations, and it seems to me that this donald trump reacts to this, to this opinion, to this intention in the way he says that he is going to sit zelenskyi and putin at the negotiating table and force them to come to an agreement. kamela hares and joe biden do not talk about negotiations. this topic

is not... in their campaign speeches, only donald trump talks about it, and he appeals to a large part of americans who, in principle , are absolutely not against this happening, as we can see from the polls, and here he just says, you mentioned the negotiations of ukraine and russia, so to speak, for america to trick them, as donald trump sees it, but donald trump jr., his son and former democrat robert kennedy jr., who supports donald trump, they will publish. an article in which he says that there should be negotiations between moscow and washington, american-russian negotiations, how to end the war in ukraine, that is, america and russia, how to end the war in ukraine. what do we have, we have a violation of the principle, nothing about ukraine without ukraine, right? absolutely, and it fits into the logic of it

the korean scenario that i was talking about because... as we remember, when the cease -fire agreement was signed in after to stop the korean war, the south korean representatives actually refused to sign it, it was signed by the united states, but not signed south korea, precisely because they considered the guarantees that were included in this treaty to be insufficient, they did not want to give up those territories. so the korean scenario presupposes first of all some certain agreement between. great powers, and imposing this agreement on those parties who are considered weaker, the problem, as i mentioned in duplicating or simulating the end of the russian-ukrainian war in the korean scenario, is precisely that then, in this case now, the united states would have to negotiate with the aggressor , with an aggressor country, whose actions they have repeatedly condemned, so if we imagine, let's imagine that trump and vance...

defeat us, they come to the white house, they still have to continue a certain diplomatic line that they were building the united states over the years, with respect to the russian federation, they can't just cross out everything that has been said and the positions that the united states has taken in the international arena, so there has to be some resilience, and i think we have to be quite careful as well statement of donald trump's son. and robert kennedy, since in principle, although they are close to donald trump, they still remain rather marginal figures in terms of influence on real politics, and it is unlikely that these the ideas they express will actually be implemented if trump becomes president of the united states. sure, thank you very much, a professor of political science at baylor university in

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