good evening, we are from ukraine. events, events that are happening right now and affect our lives. of course, the news story reports about them. however, it was not enough to know what was happening. it is necessary to understand. antin borkovskii and invited experts soberly assess the events, analyze them, modeling our future. every saturday at 1:10 p.m. with a repeat at 10:00 p.m. studio zahid with anton borkovsky at espresso. staff situation - exclusive analytics about the united states of america. trump vs. harris, republican vs. democrat. what are the candidates saying in presidents about supporting kyiv? they insulted each other non-stop. how do they see the end of the war in ukraine? peace plans behind the scenes. games and everything you need to know

about the us elections and their impact on the fate of ukraine. in the radio svoboda video podcast. state situation. today in the verdict program with serhii rudenko. europe will help us, the head of the european commission, ursula fondern, brought to kyiv a promise to support the ukrainian energy industry. during the difficult heating season, what else was discussed at the negotiations with the president of ukraine? high level week. on the sidelines of the un general assembly, zelenskyi plans to present a plan for ukrainian victory to biden, garis and trump. could it really be about inviting ukraine to nato already this year? nuclear scarecrows of the kremlin. speaker of russia. which state duma volodin promises

western countries to use more powerful weapons in response to long-range strikes on the territory of russia. does putin have any paint left for new red lines? glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program. my name is serhiy rudenko, i greet everyone and wish everyone good health. during we will talk for the next two hours. about ukraine, about the world, about the war and about our victory. in the first part of our program, together with the diplomat and ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary of ukraine valery chaly , we will sum up the results of the foreign policy week, and predict the next week, which will be full of the un general assembly, zelensky's visit to washington, the speech of the president of ukraine at the united nations general assembly and the presentation of the plan victory during the second

hour of our broadcast, starting at 21:15, we have there will be a journalism club with the participation of maryna danylyuk yermalayeva and bohdan butkevich. let's talk about both domestic and foreign policy. however, before starting our big conversation today, i suggest watching a video of how fighters of the 72nd separate mechanized brigade strike the enemy. the warrior was destroyed only in august. 664 invaders, three tanks, 34 armored combat vehicles, almost 300 drones and other equipment. let's watch this enchanting video.

glory to the fighters of the 72nd separate mechanized division brigades and death to the russian occupiers. friends, throughout our broadcast we are conducting a survey, today we are asking you about this, do you take the kremlin's nuclear threats seriously? yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, either yes or no, if you have a separate opinion, please leave it in the comments below this video. at the same time you you can join

our platforms where we have separate pages and like our videos, if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote for phones, if you take the kremlin's nuclear threats seriously, 0800 211 381, not 0800 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free, vote at the end of the program, we'll tally up that vote. i would like to introduce today's guest, valery chaly, diplomat, extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine to the united states of america in 2015-19. chairman of the board of the ukrainian crisis media center, mr. valery, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today, i congratulate you, glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes. so, mr. valery, the date of the presentation of ukraine's victory plan in

the united states of america has already been determined, on september 26 , zelenskyi will meet with joseph biden in washington, in addition , the ukrainian president is scheduled to meet with trump and kha during the un general assembly. at a joint press conference with the president of the european commission, ursula funderlajen, president zelenskyi said that the implementation of ukraine's victory plan primarily depends on the decisions of the president of the united states of america, joe biden. let's listen to what zelensky said. the majority his decision about the plan depends precisely on him, well, also on other allies. ah... but there are points that depend precisely on the positive will and support of the united states. i really hope that he supports this plan, the whole plan is designed for quick decisions by our partners, the plan is designed for

decisions that should happen from october to december, and not to delay these processes, we would very much like that. then we think the plan will work. mr. valery, what if suddenly, the main bet that zelensky makes on joe biden does not work, and all the points that are in this victory plan, which so far only president zelenskyi and his entourage have seen, will not work, so what will happen then? well, let me start with the fact that so many plans have already been written for us, chinese, chinese... someday i will even remind you that there were african plans, well, i am not talking about friendly countries, but the german social democrats recently drew us a plan that we need there give way, but even the americans recently visited high-level experts,

they also spoke at the meeting, but how would you like to be more flexible, let your president be flexible with regard to territorial decisions, maybe there are some solutions, so in the plan... community, uh, but i will tell you that although i and ee, as i have not seen the texts there, but i understand, i understand the idea, it is necessary to kill this whole ee a bunch of plans and still give the ukrainian plan, so that they don't forget who is the main subject of opposition to russia, because it seems that everyone around is solving the issue, you know, only our armed forces of ukraine. doctors beat, yes, and they die for it, so i really like the desire to turn this pyramid, and here it is reassurance of partners, let your president be more flexible there, some kind of compromise there, maybe in form like this, because volodymyr

zelenskyy, he doesn’t speak quite so diplomatically with partners, that’s his style, really not quite diplomatic, but... in essence issues, i will say here that they are also wrong, because they demand from ukraine what is impossible, now regarding our initiatives, until i heard the time frame, i could seriously discuss these plans, now i believe that it should not sense because it is then a completely different idea, this is no plan for victory, i think it can be described as: such a ukrainian request for interaction, partnership, support, and an emphasis on the fact that right now there is a chance to change the course of this war, because you see, that everything is fine so far, putin is still

trying to implement the occupation goals, they think that winter will hit our energy infrastructure, that is, everyone... understands that the peace summit is there, it will not lead to anything in terms of stopping the war, so this is a process, i would call him, he is closer to diplomatic but... the paradox is, in my opinion, that diplomacy, which was a way to avoid war, ended in the 22nd year exactly on february 24, and the new stage of diplomacy, it has no chance yet, so far the key the role is played by the armed forces of ukraine, the ukrainian people, and as long as this happens, as long as it happens, then diplomats, any, even the most talented, they cannot do anything, therefore... this is such a parallel process that is necessary, of course, but , unfortunately, i

look at it quite pessimistically from a point of view october-december, and we will radically change something there, i don't know how, i would very much like our delegation to pay attention to the fact that the president of the united states, whether she or he, does not currently have any tools to help ukraine, no lendlease, no budget. moreover, they somehow managed not to spend 6 billion by october 1 of the financial year, and now they are spinning, they do not know how and what to do next with it, that is, we do not have a vision for the next year in terms of finances for help, but we are talking about something about victory, that is, it is necessary now in america, the emphasis should be on getting for the next year, so that putin knows that there is us support in the amount of no less, together with the allies, no less. together, because putin invests 100, that is, well, 120, it's still like that, i

said, it's that, it's not for victory, it's for turning or changing the course of the war, but , let's say, the goal of getting more long-range weapons, well, that is, short-range missiles, 300, 500 up to 1000 km, but we do not have enough of them, so these are specific goals, i... will be achieved, all performances public, you will hear that it will be, let's say , not a plan, it will be some additional addendum to the peace formula, and a statement that the ukrainian position is based on the same foundations, and then the conclusion that an invitation to nato is needed in order to now the invitation was political, and the membership was already after the end of the war, that is, in principle , we will not see anything new in the appendices to... such theses will indeed be there, the specifics are in three directions, but if we talk about meetings, well,

they will be ordinary meetings , only now the wrapper is like this, it sounds beautiful, and it is probably correct, because, for example, the word victory plan is now avoided by any westerners, not that russian, chinese or brazilian, westerners avoid it, they are the word victory, it gets stuck in them somehow, what in english, what in german, what in french, here i am... i am already surprised that a word has been forgotten for these languages, so i hope that at least this will change, and we will speak one, one language at the end of this year, but here we are i emphasize once again, here are the phrases that october-december, and we are there, well, the plan for victory - it's about victory, then it can give people the wrong idea that that's it, october-december, we 'll decide everything here, it's just necessary that the us partners first of all do their... thing, and if they don't do it, but they won't do it, because the request is, well, very ambitious, so what?

and when our partners didn’t give us help, then what, the logical conclusion, well, what will we do next, i’m afraid that there is no such technology here, you know, well, it’s a conspiracy theory, but people can’t be driven into overestimating expectations, well, come on things, about expectations and in general about a possible plan b in this case, if this victory plan is not accepted, or not completely... is this victory plan accepted or will it be partially accepted from zelensky, the journalist asked about what, and is there a plan b? zelenskyy answered that ukraine lives in plan b and never had a plan a, and that too, to be honest, i did not like this answer very much, because i perceive it this way, that plan a should have been before the big russian invasion of ukraine and this plan there, some results would be clear on the 24th, when it started

the great war, but this is already such a rhetorical question and reflections, but mr. sergey, allow me, this is very important, the country’s defense plan was, moreover, unlike the 90s or early 2000s, russia was written there, so that the war began in the 14th year, and everyone, including everyone, knows the plans very well. and in the 22nd there were all these plans, another matter is how they were implemented? yes, well, here is a big question for president zelenskyi's team, did you remember? about promises, or, let's say, statements regarding ukraine's accession to nato, lemond wrote about what, as it were, referring to its sources that one of the points of zelenskyi's victory plan is an invitation to nato, the publication claims that the president of ukraine hopes to receive an invitation from biden to the presidential elections in the united states of america,

to be honest, these showers or these references to which ... sources who tell us in the columns of the western press about ukraine's victory plan are confusing, because i, as a citizen of ukraine, know about this plan only from what zelensky says publicly or what the western press writes. is it justified that this victory plan is not discussed or explained in the verkhovna rada, for example, of ukraine. hold a closed meeting, could you somehow explain to the ukrainians, because the ukrainians are the main driving force of this plan for victory and victory over russia, is there any expediency in this, any secrecy, maybe there are some attachments that cannot be made public, maybe some part can be would be to show

people and voice, you are like a crisis media manager now and... the head of the ukrainian crisis media center, how do you evaluate this communication, why is it not working, well the explanation here can be as follows, in principle , such documents are not disclosed at all, as a rule, something appears in the press, some leaks, and yes, yes, so that publicly, this something reminds me of the announcement of a major counteroffensive, unfortunately, which it ended in failure for us, so, on the one hand, it is understandable up to a certain point, but if you have already shared all this with at least the us, i know it for sure, do it in advance, by the way, it is different, there are situations when in advance you can and you shouldn't do it, it's hard for me to say here, as it is correct, in mine

in practice, there were cases when not uh, let's say this, uh,... not advance dissemination, even among partners, led to our success, yes, there was a little bit of a turn of the nose, that how so, it was always - to another, i will tell you more, to be honest, everything that is translated not in a closed office, not by the authors themselves, in english, everything becomes property, well , let's say it like this, it's good that our partners, this definitely confirms, so if people write it themselves in english, and it does not go beyond a few people who speak the language themselves, then it can be somehow kept a secret until he has already proposed a plan, so it is not a plan, it is not a plan of any kind, it is just a vision now with certain directions, what are

the needs, what are the needs in order to, well this is normal work, it has always been, it's just that it is packed with... before the visit in such a package, as usually these are theses for discussion with the president of the usa, i.e. now it is drawn up in a certain non-paper so-called, i.e. more of a document. now is it necessary to discuss it in ukraine? if, well, first of all, the president said that this plan is being prepared the best forces and experts of ukraine participated, well, who else should be involved, the best participated, that's all, and it turned out that... the americans talked about what they had already received, they had to somehow replace this situation there, tell the spokesman that these are elements they saw the plan, but no, well, of course they already said, otherwise there is no need to fool around, that is, they received and received, and in this situation it is inconvenient for the president, somehow he went to another country and well, his citizens do not know anything at all, so you are right ,

it would be logical, in such conditions, even in the parliament can not even keep a secret there. among those who are potential transmitters of information, because it has already gone to other directions, that is why they are also shared there, that is exactly how they are shared, that is why it was possible to talk in the parliament, really, but in general terms, not without talking about applications, there are details, a request for weapons and so on, but they didn't do that, they replaced it with a meeting, as far as i understand, of the head of the office with a group of people, it was closed when the meeting was held there yesterday. and well, they talked there so that it was really interesting for people, i understand there looked satisfied faces all, but do you know? i was in this club at the time of the discussions, it would be interesting to talk and exchange, but it’s too late now, how can i offer something, it will be too late, so i think

that if it was a serious plan to win, it would have been prepared and discussed completely different, because if they contained elements that required decisions of the parliament, corresponding decisions of the government, well, then there would be all these meetings, or rather this... this is the form of formalization of certain public initiatives that we we will hear very quickly, publicly, it will all be announced, just as a rule, why so? well , we see that the president of ukraine likes volodymyr zelenskyy, unlike his predecessors, he likes to be the first to give exclusives to foreign media, well , for some reason it is more comfortable, i don’t know why he is so comfortable, and foreigners, by the way, there are nuances, because with a foreigner... this is also where certain interview conditions are agreed upon, which ukrainian journalists do not always accept, because they are also part of this process here in

ukraine, we have our own rules, that's why it's only because of using the un platform, the meeting in washington for the first such message, you remember, for example, the peace formula, it was also voiced, well, in this form in the 20s. not in ukraine, yes, well, that is , in the grand scheme of things, there is nothing catastrophic here, it is more important that all this is carried out, that these things come to fruition, and not so that later, when they rushed to find money for the second half of the year for the army, and they are not there, because for some reason everyone was waiting for peace already this summer, but such things should not happen to be in plans, and the last thing, i already said about it, i don't want to repeat myself, but i'll say it so briefly, if you don't have a strategy. and we do not have a single vision, there is an asymmetric strategy, a strategy of balances, balancing with russia, there is an expectation of changes in russia, different

strategies, if you do not know which strategy is currently the main one, then you cannot write realistic plans, i affirm this, and you can't write out scenarios, so the strategy must be adopted, well, the correction must be made in today's conditions taking into account. forces, resources, means, external factors, the presence of the same ukrainian missiles, their number, what we receive from our partners, the availability of european funding in the face of difficulties in the usa, all this, i am concerned that there is a mood among many that somehow putin will agree to end the war, i do not i don't understand where these arguments came from, i don't have any signal yet that... russia will leave us alone at least in the winter, no, it won't, and it will continue, unfortunately. you have already mentioned, mr. valery, about the situation that consists of

with these 6 billion dollars of residual funds for military support of ukraine. the representative of the pentagon, sabrina singh, said that the ministry of defense of the united states of america is working with the congress to ensure the extension of the term of the president's powers, which... until the allocation of these 6 billion dollars already after the end of the fiscal year. let's hear what she said. we are committed to using every dollar and every cent within this mandate. but the problem is also that we cannot provide aid packages, not having the necessary weapons in our warehouses. that's something we 're working on as well, and i'll remind you that for...six months, until we had additional funding, we couldn't replenish our warehouses. that's why we need congress to expand this authority so we

can continue to provide arms packages. mr. valeriu, considering the fact that the united states of america has entered the presidential campaign, and it is clear that now each of the candidates will play the way that is more convenient for him and ... the way it is more profitable for him in the current situation, can we expect that the congress will expand this authority that sabrina singh says about the use of this remaining 6 billion dollars? ms. singh was responding to a question from voice of america reporter rostap yarish in washington, who asked a very direct and to-the-point question, even suggesting how to resolve it. without a congress at all, that is, the answer was, she did not convince me of this answer at all, well, i will start with the fact that

zabrinasg does not know her... by the nature of her activity, these nuances, she still is engaged in another profession, so when she was written a thesis, she said: "actually, the truth is that despite all the nuances there with the availability of weapons, the approach was that 6 billion was not used until october 1, the congress is of no use here, it everything could have been done by the executive branch, moreover, now it is possible to notify congress and move it all there further." ah... but it’s not that there are difficulties, they are there, they always are, and the work of the congress with the executive branch with the white house, the state department is always ongoing, they always discuss the nuances, but i am not convinced that these 6 billions could not be used until october 1, it was possible and necessary, why is this happening, the usa is dragging, well, first of all, during the campaign, they did not really want to emphasize, then they are dragging

... they do not want them to run out of resources, yes, to support ukraine, by the way, yes, but look, i said that for next year there are only all these leftovers, that is, we have no new decisions, and in these conditions, i will remind you, last year, as it passed, they these leftovers were pulled out at the end, even there the accounting department was counted, serious people sat down, auditors, accountants have also counted several billions, that is, i think that their strategy... is wrong now, it may have been basic, right, at first, now it is wrong, they understand that anything can happen, there can be other directions, it will be necessary spend money, you will have to have weapons, they are pulling so that if they wear out putin, yes, he will still show him every time that there are still resources, but resources are now the key word that is being discussed, in fact, still next year, somehow everyone understands, but so what

do? in the 26th year, no one understands, and even putin does not understand what he is doing in the 26th year, that is the paradox that it is possible simply at the stage when ukraine will get the chance to simply surrender, to surrender ukraine, to be honest, these in this situation, therefore, well, i think that it is good that journalists ask direct questions, but i would really like it if the president did not ask these direct questions to the partners, and did not impersonate them independently. his surname is the president of ukraine, there is no need to introduce himself, there are other ways of working, this is a task, these are difficult questions, and not very pleasant ones, they are solved a national security adviser, an adviser, well , we have a foreign policy adviser, that is, i don't know why all this, and what we talked about in the first part, all the applause here or there attention, and that's all this current

such working. the mechanism depends only on the first person, it must be rolled out and told to our partners: i have a very simple solution, well listen, don’t feed us with these stories about your complex mechanism, i will tell you how complicated it all is for us, well and what, we chose a solution, said about what the package was allocated, yes, by the way, and ukraine also took part in it, involved its friends, and the congress took part, which a person has the right to do now. to speak, we did not use this money, yes, but the congress, everyone, is this your joint decision, this is what i want to ask, that is, now i think that the congress should press and here without names, why did this happen, why there, where in that decision, where was the victory plan, the allocation of funds, why was there no corresponding, even public report, why were these funds used in this way, why were they not given to ukraine in this year, concentrated weapons, logistics

are difficult. there are not always weapons in warehouses, i understand that, but it’s all the same, i know that our partners , the usa, are doing their best, i have them when they are assigned, when they are assigned, they, the american military, the american national guard, they will pull it all, i know , these are people who do a great deal, but they need political decisions, money and political guidance, and then the pentagon, intelligence, and the state department will do everything, and the americans in this regard... they are very efficient, professional, so these are purely political decisions , related to the strategy the united states, no more, no less, i claim it and i can provide arguments. thank you, mr. valery, i will remind our viewers that throughout our broadcast we conduct a survey, we ask you about whether you take the kremlin's nuclear threats seriously, yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, either yes or no, write your own thoughts and comments under

the video. on youtube if you watch us on tv.