help understand the present and predict the future offered the united states to enter into a bilateral security agreement with us. project for those who care and think politklub every sunday at 20:00 at espresso. intimidation, beating, illegal detention. since the beginning of the year, tsc employees have exceeded their authority a record number of times. in tsc, the excess of force is most often explained by the fact that the employees of the military commanders, they say, are being provoked. the extent to which mobilization in ukraine corresponds to the principles of justice is a topic of the current svoboda live broadcast, my name is vlasta lazor. five months ago. volodymyr

zelenskyi signed the law on strengthening mobilization. since then, we have made a lot of materials about how mobilization takes place in the conditions of the new law. today we return to this topic again. every day, new videos of conflicts with the participation of tsc employees, police and civilians appear on the network. they are all very different, but some conflicts require special attention. for example, like this one. this is kharkiv, the beginning of september. surveillance cameras recorded how presumably an employee of the tsc is beating. civilian, later this situation was even responded to in the office of the human rights commissioner. kharkiv tsc explained that the men allegedly refused to provide documents for verification, one of them started insulting a tsc employee, and he, in turn, did not hold back. in the first 8 months of 2024 , the verkhovna rada commissioner for human rights , dmytro lubinets, received more than 1,600 appeals from citizens regarding the violation of their rights by tsc employees, and this is almost threefold.

more than for the entire previous year, about it at the beginning of september, the obutsman's office was informed at the request of the ukrainian pravda, and serhii rakhmanin, a member of the defense committee of the verkhovna rada, stated in an interview with up that the situation in two ukrainian regions, odesa oblast and transcarpathia, is the most critical. these two regions, according to him , account for the largest number of appeals from complaints about violation of people's rights by tsc employees. in the network, in particular, in the telegram channel. from these two regions , they also publish almost the most video conflicts between civilians and employees of the tsk and law enforcement officers, as well. so, for example, this is mukachevo, people in military uniform and in balaclavas grabbed a civilian and put him in a boose. later , at the request of local journalist vitaly glagoly, the transcarpathian tsc reported that a civilian man allegedly approached the tsc building, after the doors opened, hit a military officer on the head with a bottle and tried to run away. a lot. there is a similar video from

odesa, i would even say, if not the most. most often, tsc say that men refuse to provide their registration documents, after which the conflict begins. we asked people in odesa, in uzhgorod and also in lutsk, because there were also a lot of similar scandals there during the last days. so we asked them how people in these regions evaluate the work of local military commanders. listen to the answers. they are the first to... should go, i read there that there are 50,000 of them, half of them have not fought, but they can fight, set an example, and then all the rest will go, for now it is justified, the approach that is now , justified, i am not in charge of those employees of tsk, they are on their nerves, they understand, most of them have already come from the front, you see, and they see this imbalance, to put it mildly, or it's wrong. i had never

seen a violation before, i encountered a summons, a person did not want the driver to accept the summons, in principle, all his rights were explained to him, it was explained to him that he would now be stopped at a checkpoint, it was with the police, no one knew him broke it, didn’t put it anywhere, why my husband has to fight for three years, someone should be caught, i’m sorry, what the tsk is doing together with the police, it’s terrible, it’s not what k'.

well, they stopped hiding and went to serve, well, it's better, no, there are no complaints, everyone understands that there is a war, so i positively evaluate it, someone has to do this work, the problem is that i have a lot of exalted people. this is not how they do it, i would advise those who want to improve the work in the tsc, to mobilize and do their work, let them go and serve themselves, and not the ones who knit, but let me say yes, i am a single father, my wife died the other day, the child is left behind, they are running, looking for me, how is it to take away the servant, no, they issue otsrochki there for 3 month, so they ran before the delay? i was caught just for if those ttk were taken there to zero, then they would understand what it is, i understand, then if the guys on the ttk were without an arm, without a leg, which guys really went through the whole battle condition, then they no one would touch it, but how are such idiots

sitting, well, i'm on vacation now, i know how fun it is there, and the day before yesterday i was literally in our tsk, the city of kryvyi rih, well, they were looking for a person, so they put a stamp on me... to i left tsk, i say, guys, come with me, i suggest he will simply make an exchange, the tsc there, and we here, i did not see a problem with this, there is such a case when a man himself provokes the tsc, you understand, someone starts pumping rights, that he knows the rights more than anyone else, but his own there, i don’t know, there rights, but also responsibilities, valery bolgan, editor-in-chief of intent odesa, joins our broadcast, valery, good evening. when we talk about tccs, about how they work, whether they violate rights or not, we always include a representative of odesa on the air, because there really is the most such conflicting videos, and you and i talked about this before, how would you assess the situation now, for example, in odesa, with the way

tsc employees are behaving, are there as many conflicts as there were two or three months ago ? i would say that the situation radically began to change, somewhere... from july, uh, and since july we have not had a single fresh case, not a single fresh complaint, when a person was illegally detained, illegally detained in the tsk, etc., in who do you have it with, valeriy, do you have journalists before or do we have it, if so, how do we have it journalists, we previously received a total of several dozen complaints, starting from the end of the 22nd year, about various manifestations. and tsk, now for the past two months they have not been there, the situation looks more like this, that there is a certain number of mobile checkpoints in the city, which change their location every day, which primarily stop public transport, check the documents of men, and if

questions to accordingly, there are no men, then they are released, and this is a fairly quick procedure, there are no longer those situations when the minibus could stand there for several hours. waiting for some resolution of this conflict, for example in this video, but - at the moment it looks like even cars have started to be stopped, first of all, something that almost never happened before, which looked like a certain discrimination, well, even on the basis of property, because if you drive a car, they don't stop you, i was stopped in this way several times, they checked the documents that everything is fine, that there is a delay, etc. and they absolutely let me go without any problems, i did not feel any bad excuses even from specific persons, who stopped me, and what do you associate it with, i can clarify, and what do you associate with the fact that the situation has changed since july, i think it

is directly related to the introduction of the reserve plus, oddly enough, it seems to me that really , it just solved a lot of problems with the documents that were there before, because there were really a lot of things... that they didn't have any, for example, updated paper documents, this does not remove the question at all about the situation with these documents, but in general the situation is significant the situation was significantly influenced by the fact that there is another side to the issue, it is precisely receiving postponements, and here we will feel constant complaints about how exactly this or that tsc works, in some there are more, we hear problems, in some less. what is it related to? attempts to enter an electronic queue so far, in my opinion, are rather, well, rather unsuccessful, because there are a lot of cases when it is actually impossible to sign up for this electronic queue, people try to sign up in 0.000, people try

to sign up in the morning and in the evening, nothing helps, it happens that it is impossible to do it there for days or weeks, which leads to the fact that, accordingly, people sometimes fail. terms renewal of this postponement, and as a result , sometimes conflict situations occur in the tsk itself, men are already coming, i am ready to provide documents, etc. here. unfortunately, there are still certain nuances with this, but i have not heard that it led, for example, to them being detained there in the same tcc and some illegal actions were carried out in relation to them, but look, we they showed videos of conflicts in odesa, and these are recent videos that i noticed on telegram channels, then a man, a man was broken and put on the asphalt there, then some other other cases, it it was published in september, for example, well, the tsc reacted to it, for example, the local media reacted to it,

that is, after all, i am talking about fresh ones now, and i wanted to ask, and when conflicts occur, it means a violation most often from the side, from the civilian side of the civilian people, or why do you say they are out of date, what do you mean, uh, well, for example, that video that was just now, where people are in winter clothes, this is not a recent video, it is from last year , it seems, even videos, and videos, here are fresh videos, where e. which are restored to comply with the legal requirements of the police and tsk, and then a conflict arises, uh, yes, but i have not heard of any so far, and we checked several such cases, even found passengers from these of these minibuses, there was not a single case when really there, i'm fine with your documents, but i'm being taken away, i haven't heard of such cases, again, i'm really asking if your viewers are faced with this. lawyers we can provide the contacts of these lawyers, we can record these cases

in order to try and not give to violate people's rights, but i want to say , you know the video at the end of august, when a man was broken into, the law enforcement officers were called, but he allegedly had a disorder with his documents, well, you said that this happens, do you remember , there was a story when there was a conflict in the summer between the tsc and the medics, when the ambulance came to the army... mother, and how was this situation resolved in the end, because it was very loud, maybe now we are showing it, it was partially resolved, according to - first, the management of our ambulance in the city changed, and it seems that this conflict was one of the reasons for the change of manager, although almost three months have passed between them, between these events, but the problem with the express in general. it is only partially solved, so the situation with booking an ambulance is really much better now, but

there is still a lack of men who can perform the functions of ambulance drivers, even with medical workers, the situation is still bad. and valery, you told me during the past broadcasts that in odesa you recorded cases when tcc employees were helped by participants there or? members of the so-called public organizations, the public guard and so on, we made a request to the police and we were told that these are public organizations, they can involve them in the protection of public order, for example, patrolling the beaches and so on, but they are not involved in helping employees of the tcc for the implementation of mobilization, have you noticed in recent weeks and months that these public activists, let's call them that, are somehow helping to implement. mobilization in the region? we published a large investigation in the summer with about the activity of these public formations,

and it seems to me that we have already had the first effect of this in fact, because they really stopped involving them directly in the actions of the central committee, and besides , and in general, even at the checkpoints, we have tried several times, well, to capture photos and videos there, they are prohibited, of course, but we tried to at least... see with our eyes the actual uniform in which this or that person is, and we no longer see people in uniform without identification marks, that is, they are really either military personnel or representatives of the police, ugh, and you know, i will say in the end that the head of the region, oleg kiper, recently gave an interview, i will not comment on the whole interview, but he was also asked about what is happening with the mobilization, with the forced mobilization of odessans, and he said that all these videos, which... which are on the internet, that allegedly ttsk employees use force, this is all propaganda, let's listen to this

fragment and then discuss it, i won't lie, there are such cases, and there were we have cases with an ambulance there, but all these questions, when you start to understand not everything is as it is shown in these videos, but we have many bloggers who are looking for just let it, just shoot it, and when you start to understand, for example, the person in... the search was located, that is, it is allowed to use even some physical force , but there are a lot of questions, and it is necessary to understand each example, if everything was as illegal as it is shown. illuminated in order to probably discredit, yes, the tsk is there, i am not saying that all are saints there, we see many other videos, but this is also propaganda, there was some sabotage by the tsk, there were sure, we saw some searches there, a lot of money of some kind, of course it did not add to the positive, it followed itself, yes, like a domino,

the domino principle goes, so today they are working on it, today i know that even here in the odesa region, i also . tried a lot, even to change the leadership of the tsk. ole, valery, can you confirm or deny what the head of the region says? i often agree with oleg kiper, but in this case i agree with him that this is really, first of all, we are talking about men with document violations, and there is another big a category that is also, actually, as a result of these actions of these, for example, roadblocks, what is found are men who voluntarily left part. that is, they are actually wanted military personnel, whether voluntarily or not, it is another question whether it is officially established there that they have it, but such cases really do exist, and besides, i saw a recent case there, when there was a man in partly in military uniform, well, for tipping, and according to him, not that

force was used there, but they were asked to go with them. in fact, in this case, the tsk performs the function of a military law enforcement agency in part, whether this function is inherent to them, i am not sure, it seems to me that it is not quite so, but in this case it seems to me that these were correct actions, because a serviceman on tipping, well, this is also a violation, thank you very much, valery bolgan, editor-in-chief of intent odesa, we talked about the situation with the tsc in odessa, thank you very much, valery, well, we will continue to talk about what are the most common. violations are recorded by tsc employees, because a special investigative commission is working in the verkhovna rada, oleksiy goncharenko, people's deputy european solidarity and a member of this temporary investigative commission of the verkhovna rada, joins our broadcast. good evening, oleksiy. i congratulate you. please tell me, what violations does your commission most often record on the part of tsc employees? well, actually, we don't

keep any statistics, but in general. well, i want to say that in general, what we see, we see the need to withdraw the tsk from the military structure, in general, we say when you can talk about ttk about certain violations that they allow, they allow them, unfortunately, and this is physical force that they use on people, and not disrespect for certain rights of citizens and so on, what people call kidnapping , when there... they don't give the opportunity to call home there, to report where they are, what they are, and so on, but in general, in my opinion, this system needs not just, you know, there, well, somehow there to prepare it, it needs a radical change, but ukraine was able to create absolutely functional tsnapa in the center of provision administrative services, ukraine was able

to create service centers of the ministry of internal affairs, why the tsc was not created. in the form of service centers, where civilians should be doing this in general, but look, what you are showing are some terrible videos, but even here is the principle, the tsc is headed by them, we held a meeting there with various heads of the tsc, and here i ask , who are you there, i don’t know, the head of the regional tsk, he says, i’m a tank driver, the next one, i’m an artilleryman, and so on, the question arises, why did the state of ukraine train an officer, a tank driver, an artilleryman, after besides... that officer gained experience, learned, it's all at a high level, these are former combrigs, these are very people with a lot of experience, maybe they are people who have injuries, who have returned from the front, well, yes, and well, there are such, but these people could continue to serve at the front , but instead they are sent to sit and translate papers, well, what is the point of this,

and moreover, these people did not see such temptations as we see this big money that is there in tcc offer, then really, well, we saw this bucha, ah, this one, boryspil, where they find in they have these sofas full of dollars, some of them just have millions of dollars at home, well, you know, maybe they would be war heroes, but because of the fact that they got into this situation, look, here you are again showing the video of some military personnel , you have to understand that military personnel, especially when those who actually went to the front were transferred, were injured, these are people in... it is difficult for them, it is difficult for them to communicate with such ordinary, let's say, citizens, civilians, and in my opinion , this is basically... the wrong approach, it should be civil service, absolutely civilians should work there, but of course there is no element of coercion, but the element of coercion occurs

through laws, then we have the police, then we have the military service of law and order and then they should act, this is how i i can see that, and in principle, i will tell you, we had one meeting at which the first deputy minister of defense, general gavrylyuk, was present, and when i... expressed everything to him, he said, i completely agree with you, i also don't understand why we still haven't changed this soviet system those service military commissariat, that's what it was called, and now it's tsk, on ​​some service european history, we, by the way, this is the video we're showing, well, it's actually, it's for the whole year, we've researched this topic many times, and usually most of these videos, this is also well the last months, and how do you see, there was a statement from the ombudsman? at the request of ukrainian pravda, and he reported that for the entire eight months of 2024 there were more than 1,600 appeals about violations of human rights by

tsc employees, which is three times more than in the whole year 2023, how do you explain these statistics, and i think that in reality it is what, just that many people there do not apply, who did apply, yes, these are those who applied, well, obviously the pace, look at the... year, especially , and to a lesser degree in the 23rd, but still many people were mobilized who wanted to serve, or they were volunteers, or they were not volunteers, but they were ready, in principle, for this, closer to the end of 2023 and in the 24th year, now those people who wanted to serve have all been serving for a long time, that's why they stayed people who don't want to serve, and of course... here too, i'm not saying, sometimes these people also behave inappropriately, there are videos of them running away in a car, and there are stories of them shooting, someone in air, but even

weapons are used against kcc workers, the same is also true, so it is obvious that over time, since there are fewer and fewer people who actually want to serve, there is more and more in this coercion, and where there is coercion, there conflicts, their... further more and more, in addition, what we have already said to you is returning to the tsc to serve, it would be justified, if the system remains military, then the fact that military personnel are not just some healthy people, yes, but people who have passed the front, who may have been wounded, are of limited suitability, well, what was called before, they and now they are called suitable for service in the tsk, they are transferred, but these people, many of them are psychologically traumatized, and this is reflected in... their actions and their reactions, it is difficult for them to react to this, and that is why these conflicts are only becoming more and more, and unfortunately, i think there will be more

only become more. and look, there was an interview, at the beginning of the broadcast i quoted sergei rakhmanin, the representative of the defense committee, he again quoted the employees of the tsk, and what they say, they say that if we have a plan, if we do not use force, we will not execute this plan if we do not execute this plan. there will be no one to fight, there will be no one to fight, ukraine will lose the war, and it looks like it is some kind of closed circle, and i don't know, but you proposed a solution to withdraw the tsk from the paramilitary structures and do it as a civil service, and will it help in any way, i think it will help, because i have already explained my logic, it will firstly free up a certain number of people who are very needed, first of all officers, there are not so many in terms of yes there are rank-and-file personnel, but the officers who are very needed at the front can be there, but... if you ask me how to break this closed circle, then it should not be broken at the level of the tsk, it should be broken at the level of the same plan, which you are talking about, we, if

ukraine wants to defeat russia by means of what we will simply recruit more people, we already understand that we will never achieve this, it's just that russia is much bigger than us, and that's why the plan, you know, is, as it were, physical, when mobilizing. the resource is bodies and actually physically people, this is the wrong approach for ukraine, the ukrainian resource should be brains and creativity, and i say this absolutely seriously, because in this we are superior to russia, it was the ukrainians who made naval drones that changed the rules naval war, and there not without the loss of a single one military, mines destroyed 40% of the russian black sea fleet, ukrainians made drones of their own production... there they destroyed the same warehouses in the russian federation continue to be destroyed, and so on and so forth, this should be our advantage, because, unfortunately,

one of the huge problems in our... work at ttk is that people get into the wrong positions they should get, there are cases where a programmer becomes a stormtrooper there, despite the fact that we have a colossal, colossal the need for programmers, slaves, etc drones and all this, and this is more important today at the front than another attack aircraft with a machine gun, but they get there, how many cases do we have separately, a huge problem is officership, it is impossible to become an officer in us, well, that is, i am there... i say an example, a certain person, he was there once, well, he came to the military department there, and then he worked there for 30 years, i don’t know there as an air conditioner technician, now he was mobilized, and he, just as he was once an officer there, he can become an officer, but he is, well, just an ordinary worker, right there next to him is his manager, who did not pass the military department, a young man, i don’t know, 28 years old , a talented manager, everything, but he can only be a soldier in ukrainian

realities, he cannot... become an officer, because in order to to become an officer, he did not come to the military department, but this is a whole story with geography, to get an officer rank for such a person, it takes months, difficulties, i.e. us, but everything should have been the other way around, i.e. such young, creative people, managers, we need put, make them officers, give them the opportunity to lead, because they know how to lead, this is also a skill, and instead we keep them, privates at best... as sergeants, and this, to be honest, we have a colossal number of problems related to this, and to personally infuriate me, it is that our ministry of defense offers absolutely nothing to correct this system and to actually have people, ukrainians, who have already been mobilized, so that they are not really a resource from the point of view of such a soviet meaning, so you recruited a bunch of people, put a kirza on them , gave kalashnikovs and sent, but to find the best for them.

usage, i will just say that we are calling the ministry of defense representatives, sent them a request, no response yet, but we hope to have a ministry of defense representative on the air next week. thank you, oleksiy goncharenko, people's deputy, european solidarity, was on radio liberty, and also in volyn, i mentioned this at the beginning of the program, in volyn there is another scandal with tsc, a mobile group of employees of the assembly center, together with the police, used force against the alleged , allegedly evasive. footage of a policeman twisting a young man appeared on social networks, later the hero of these videos announced that he was 22 years old, a student, not subject to mobilization, and that they used force against him for no reason, but here the police have their own version of the conflict, and there they emphasize that they acted entirely within the legal field, whether the police officer exceeded his powers, but now this very issue is being studied by the sbi. a correspondent of radio svoboda listened to the arguments of the parties. he

will not run away, look, he is not resisting you now, he is just a man, you bend those knees for him now, they will swell there, he will then walk as he should, so a random witness films the work of the police and tsk on his mobile phone, the man is indignant that the police brutally bends the boy, twists his arms, and then presses his head to the ground with his knee , this is humane, this is humane, no, if you, i apologize, if you were there, you would fight, but they give you a person later, what? the man whose hands are being twisted in the video is andrii bondarchuk, a 22-year-old college student. i am in this place i was going to work, two tsk employees ran up to me, pushed me and talked aggressively with me. andrii insists that a policeman came to help the tsk employees and tried to put on handcuffs. he was on his knees, his hands were already in front of him, on his knees on the ground, and he was strangling him

here and there with his hand. the face was crimson, they turned to the child, it was a sadist, the one in black was a sadist, this is a police officer, yes, i did not resist at all, the police officer said that i was not under arrest, so i wanted to leave, and so did my my mistake was that i didn't show the documents, i didn't show the documents, because there were a lot of people, very aggressive towards me... the tsk and the policemen treated me, i was very excited, and i got a little scared. in the end, the young man was taken to the station, where he gave his details in the presence of a lawyer, an administrative report was drawn up on him for malicious disobedience to police officers, and this angered andriy's relatives, who conducted a forensic medical examination of the injuries, traces of handcuffs and bruises on the body. i understand, now is martial law, but how so you can attack a person, strangle, just on

the ground. this policeman, who by sadistic methods