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glory, therefore, there is already a precisely determined date, mr. valery, for the presentation of ukraine's victory plan in the united states of america. on september 26 , zelenskyi will meet with joseph biden in washington, in addition to the scheduled meetings of the ukrainian president with trump and haris during the un general assembly. president zelenskyy at a joint press conference with the president of the european commission. stated that the implementation of ukraine's victory plan primarily depends on the decisions of the president of the united states of america, joe biden, let's hear what said zelensky. for the most part, the decision regarding the plan depends precisely on him, well, also on other allies, but there are points that depend precisely on the positive will and support of the united states. i really hope that he

supports this plan, the whole plan is designed for quick decisions by our partners, the plan is designed for decisions that should happen from october to december, and not to delay these processes, we would very much like that, then we believe that the plan will work. mr. valery, what if suddenly this is the main bet he makes... not on joe biden will work, and all the points that are in this victory plan, which so far only president zelenskyi and his entourage have seen, will not work, so what will happen then, well, let me start with the fact that we have already been written so many plans, chinese, chinese-brazilian , i will even remind you that there were african plans, well, i am not talking about friendly countries. the german social democrats

recently drew up a plan for us that we should give in there, even the americans recently arrived, high-level experts, also spoke at the meeting, and how about you be more flexible, let your president be flexible with regard to territorial, maybe some decisions there, so that the plans are public, er, but i will tell you that although i and ee like and... i did not see the texts there, but i understood the idea i understand, it is necessary to kill all this, a bunch of plans and still give the ukrainian plan, so that they do not forget who is the main subject of opposition to russia, because it seems that everyone around solves the issue, you know, only our armed forces ukranians are being beaten, yes, and they are dying for it, so i am very impressed the desire to overturn this pyramid and... this is

the assurance of the partners, let your president be more flexible there, some kind of compromise, maybe in form, yes, because volodymyr'. he does not quite diplomatically speak with his partners, this is his style, indeed not quite diplomatically, but in the essence of the issues, i will say here that they are also wrong, because they demand from ukraine what is impossible, now with regard to our initiatives, while i haven't heard a time frame, i could seriously discuss these plans, now i don't think it makes sense, because this... then it is a completely different idea, this is no plan for victory, this, i think, can be described as such a ukrainian request for interaction, partnership, support, and an emphasis on the fact that now is the chance to change the course

of this war , because you see that everything is fine so far, putin is still... trying to implement the occupation goals, they think that winter will hit our energy infrastructure, that is, everyone understands that the peace summit is there, it is of no use in terms of stopping the war will not lead, so this is a process, i would call it, it is closer to a diplomatic one, but the paradox is, in my opinion, that diplomacy, which was a way to avoid war, has ended. in the 22nd year, on the 24th of february, and the new stage of diplomacy, it has no chance yet, so far the key role is played by the armed forces of ukraine, the ukrainian people, and as long as this happens, as long as it happens, then diplomats, any which, even

the most talented, they can't do anything, so it's kind of a parallel process that's needed, of course, but unfortunately, that's how i look at it. rather pessimistic from the point of view of october-december, and here we are in something drastic we will change, i don’t know how, i would very much like our delegation to pay attention to the fact that the president of the united states, or she, or he, does not currently have any tools to help ukraine, neither lend-lease, nor the budget, moreover, they somehow managed not to spend 6 billion by october 1 of the financial year, and now they are spinning... they don’t know how and what to do next with it, that is, we don’t have a vision for next year in terms of finances for help, and we are talking about something about victory, that is now we need to focus in america on getting for next year, so that putin knows that there is

us support in the amount of at least together with the allies, at least 120 billion dollars together, because putin invests 100, that is, 120, that's what i said, that's it... for victories, this is in order to turn or change the course of the war, and here, let's say, the goal is to obtain more long-range weapons, well, that is, short- range missiles, 300, 500 there up to 100 km, but which we do not have in sufficient numbers, so here are specific goals, i hope they will be achieved, all speeches are public, you will hear it will be, let's say, not the plan, it will be... some additional addendum to the peace formula and the statement that the ukrainian position is based on the same foundations, and then the conclusion that an invitation to nato is needed so that there is now an invitation political, and membership already after the end of the war, that is, in principle

, we will not see anything new, in the appendices to such theses, there will indeed be specifics in three directions, but if we talk about meetings, well... these will be ordinary meetings, only now the wrapper is like this, it sounds beautiful, and it's right, probably because, for example, the word victory plan is now avoided by all western countries, not that russian, chinese or brazilian, westerners avoid it, they somehow get stuck with the word victory, in english, in german, in french, i am very surprised , somehow the word is forgotten for these languages, so i hope that at least it will change, and there will be some kind of... we will speak one language at the end of this year, but here i emphasize once again, here are the phrases that october-december and we there, well, the victory plan is about victory, then it can give people the wrong idea that that 's it, october-december, we 'll decide everything here, it's just necessary that the us partners

first of all do their job, and if they don't do it, and they won't, because there well, the question is very ambitious, what then, and then what didn't our partners give us? help, while the logical conclusion is, well, we are the only ones who will continue, i am afraid that there is no such technology here, you know, well, it is conspiracy, but people cannot be driven into inflated eyes. well , by the way, about expectations and generally about a possible plan b in this case, if this victory plan is not accepted, or this victory plan is not fully accepted, or it will be partially accepted from zelensky, the journalist asked about what and is there a plan b? zelenskyy answered that ukraine lives in plan b, and never had a plan a, and that too, to be honest, i didn’t like this answer very much, because i think so... that there should be a plan before the big invasion

of russia to ukraine and this plan, the results there would have been clear on the 24th, when the great war began, but this is already so rhetorical questions and reflections, but mr. sergey, allow me, this is very important, the country's defense plan was, moreover, unlike the 90s or the beginning of... russia was written there, because the war began in the 14th year, and everyone, including everyone, knows the plans very well, and in the 22nd there were all these plans, it's another matter, but how were they implemented? yes, here, here is a big question for president zelenskyi’s team, you mentioned the promises, or, let’s say, statements regarding ukraine’s accession to nato, lemond wrote about... that, apparently, referring to her sources, that one of among the points of zelenskyi's victory plan is

an invitation to nato, the publication claims that the president of ukraine hopes to receive an invitation from biden to the presidential elections in the united states of america, to be honest, these are the showers or these references to some sources that tell us in the columns of the western press they are confused about ukraine's victory plan, because... as a citizen of ukraine, i know about this plan only from what zelensky says publicly, or what the western press writes, is it justified that this victory plan is not discussed or explained in the verkhovna rada, for example, ukraine could hold a closed meeting, they could somehow explain to ukrainians, because ukrainians are the main driving force. of this plan of victory and victory over russia, is there any

expediency in this, some secrecy, maybe some applications there that cannot be made public, maybe some part could be shown to people and voiced, you are like a crisis media manager now and the head of the ukrainian of the crisis media center, how do you rate this communication, why is it not working? well, the explanation here can be the following, in principle such documents are not disclosed at all, as a rule, there are some leaks, and yes, so that in public, it reminds me of the announcement of a major counteroffensive, which, unfortunately, ended in failure for us, so on the one hand it's clear up to a certain point, but if you've already... shared all this with at least the us, i know it for sure, do it in advance, by the way,

it's different, there are situations when you can't and shouldn't do it in advance, i'm having a hard time here to say correctly, in my practice there were such cases when not er, let's say so, er, not in advance, the distribution, even among partners, led to our success, er, yes, i was there a little... they turned their noses up, that how so, it was always different, i will tell you more if honestly, everything that is translated not in a closed office, not by the authors themselves, in english, everything becomes property, well, let's say it like this, it's good that our partners, this definitely confirms, so if these people write themselves in english, and it does not go beyond the scope a few people who know the language themselves, then... it can be kept somehow a secret until he has already proposed a plan, so this is not

a plan, it is not a plan at all, it is just a vision now with certain directions, what needs are there, what needs are there in order to, well, this is normal work, it has always been, it is just packed before the visit, in such a package, as usual theses are for discussion with the president of the usa, i.e. now this is the form. so -called, that is, more of a document. now, should it be discussed in ukraine? if, well, first of all, the president said that in this preparation. the best forces and experts of ukraine participated in the plan, well, who else do you need involve, the best took part, that's all, but it turned out that the americans talked about what they had already received, they had to somehow replace this situation there, tell the spokesman that they saw the elements of the plan, but no, of course they already said, otherwise there's no need fooling everyone, that is

, they received, received, and in this situation it is inconvenient for the president, no matter how, he went to another country and, well, his citizens in... do not know anything at all, so you correctly said, it would be logical in such conditions even in parliament can be very secretive there to keep even among those who are potential transmitters of information, because it has already gone to other directions, so they are also shared there, exactly like that, so it was possible to really talk in the parliament, but in general terms, not without talking about applications, there are details , a request for weapons and so on... they replaced it with a meeting, as far as i understand, the head of the office with a group of people, it was closed, when there was a meeting there yesterday, and they talked like that, there, which was somehow interesting, really for people there were, i understand, there were happy faces watching, that's all, but you know, i was in this club at the time

of the discussions, it would be interesting to talk, exchange, but it’s too late now, how can i offer something, it will be too late, so i think that if this was a serious plan to win, it would have been prepared , the discussion was completely different, because if they contained elements that required the decisions of the parliament, the corresponding decisions of the government, well then there would be all these meetings, and rather this is the form of formalization of certain public initiatives, which we will hear very quickly, publicly. that will be all voiced, just as a rule, why so? well , we see that the president of ukraine likes volodymyr zelenskyy, unlike his predecessors, he likes to be the first to give exclusives to foreign media, well , for some reason it is more comfortable, i don’t know why he is so more comfortable, and foreigners, by the way, there are nuances, because with foreigners also

agree on certain terms of the interview, which ukrainian journalists do not always accept, because they are so... part of this, this process here in ukraine, we have our own rules, that's why it's only because of using the platform the un, the meeting in washington for the first such message, you remember, for example, the peace formula, it was also voiced, well, in this form at the 20th, not in ukraine, yes, well, that is, in the grand scheme of things, nothing catastrophic here no, it is more important that it all be done. so that these things come to fruition, and not so that later, when they rushed to look for money for the second half of the year for the army, and there is none, because for some reason everyone was waiting for peace already in the summer, such things should not be in the plans, and the last thing , i'm already talking about it i said, i don't want to repeat myself, but i'll say it briefly, if you don't have a strategy, and

we don't have a vision of one, there is an asymmetric strategy, a strategy of balances, balancing with russia. there is an expectation of changes in russia, different strategies, if you don't know what the main strategy is now, then you can't write realistic plans, it is claimed, and you can't write scenarios, so the strategy must be accepted, well, the correction must be made in today's conditions, taking into account forces, resources, means, external factors, the presence of the same ukrainian missiles, their number, what we... get from our partners, the presence of european financing in the face of difficulties in the usa, all this, i am concerned that there is a mood among many that somehow putin will agree to end the war, i don't understand where these arguments came from, i don't have any signal yet that russia

will leave us alone, at least in the winter, no, it won't, and this will continue, unfortunately, you. already, mr. valery, about the situation with these 6 billion dollars remaining funds for military support of ukraine. the representative of the pentagon, sabrina singh, stated that the ministry of defense of the united states of america is working with the congress to ensure the extension of the term of the presidential authority to allocate these 6 billion dollars already after the end of the fiscal year. let's hear what she said. we have every intention of using every dollar and every cent within that authority, but the problem is also that we cannot provide... aid packages without having the necessary weapons on our warehouses this is something we are also working on, and i will remind you that for six months, until we had additional

funding, we could not replenish our warehouses. that's why we need congress to expand this authority so we can continue to provide arms packages. mr. valeriu, given that the united states of america has entered into a... presidential campaign, and it is clear that each of the candidates will now play the way that is more convenient for him and the way that is more profitable for him in the current situation, can we expect that congress will expand these powers that sabrina singh says about the use of these remaining 6 billion dollars? ms. singh was answering the questions of ostap yarysh, a journalist. the voice of america in washington, who asked a very direct and precise question, even with a proposal how to solve it without a congress at all, that is,

the answer was, she did not convince me of this answer at all, well, i will start with the fact that zabrinag does not know his kind activities of these nuances, she is still engaged in another profession, so as they wrote the thesis, she... said: in fact, the truth is that despite there are all the nuances of the availability of weapons, the approach was that the 6 billion was not used until october 1, the congress is useless here, it could all be done by the executive power, moreover, now you can inform the congress and move it all there further, but this not that there are difficulties, they are there, they always are, and the work of congress with the executive branch... with the white house, the state department is always ongoing, they always discuss the nuances, but they will not convince me that these 6 billion could not have been used before october 1,

it was possible and necessary, why is this happening, the usa is dragging, well, first of all, during the company, they didn’t really want to emphasize, then they drag, they don’t want them to run out of resources, and to support ukraine, by the way, yes, but look, i said that on next year there are only... balances, that is , we have no new decisions, and in these conditions, i will remind you, last year, as it passed, they pulled out on these balances at the end, even there the accounting department counted, serious people, auditors, accountants sat down and still counted a few billion, that is, i think their strategy wrong now, it may have been basic, right, at first, now it is wrong, they understand that anything can happen, there can be other directions, money will have to be spent, weapons will have to be had, they are pulling so that they would wear out putin , yes, on him, he still has to show him every

time that there are still resources, but resources are now the key word that is being discussed, in fact, even next year, somehow everyone understands, but what to do in the 26th year , no one understands, and putin does not understand what to do in the 26th year, that is the paradox that it is possible just at the stage... when ukraine will get a chance to just surrender ukraine, to be honest, these are in this situation, so, well, i think it 's good that journalists are asking direct questions, but i would really like them to be direct the questions to the partners were not asked by the president, he did not impersonate, regardless of his surname, the president of ukraine, there is no need to introduce himself, there are other ways of working, these tasks are difficult. questions, and not very pleasant ones, are decided by the national security adviser, the adviser, well, in our case it is the foreign affairs adviser politicians, that is, i don't know why all this, and

what we talked about in the first part, all the applause here or there, attention, and that's all this current such a working, complex mechanism, everything hangs only on the first person, this we need to roll out and tell our partners, i have a very simple solution, well... listen, don't feed us with these stories about your complicated mechanism, i 'll tell you how complicated it all is for us, so what, we chose a solution , they said that the package was allocated, and by the way, ukraine also took it i took part in this, i involved my friends, and the congress took part, what right does a person have now to come out and say, but we did not use this money, yes, but the congress, everyone, is this your joint decision, this is what i want to ask. that is, now i think that the congress should press even here without surnames. why did this happen? why, where in that decision, where there was a plan for victory, allocation of funds, why

was there no corresponding one, even publicly. report, why these funds are used in this way, why ukraine was not given concentrated weapons, logistics this year complicated, there are not always weapons in the warehouses, i understand that, but it’s all the same, i know that our partners, the united states, are doing their best, i have those when they are assigned, when they are assigned, they, the american military, the american national guard, they will pull it all, i i know, these are people who make a huge deal, political decisions, money and political guidance, and then the pentagon, intelligence and the state department will do everything, and the americans in this regard, they are very efficient, professional, so these are purely political decisions related to the strategy of the united states, no more, no less, i affirm it and i can give arguments. thank you, mr. valery, i would like to remind our tv viewers that throughout our broadcast we conduct a poll,

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so it.. . does not see how the two countries will be able to come to an agreement without demilitarizing the peninsula, and he proposes to transfer crimea under the un mandate for 20 years. what sikorsky says: we could put crimea under a un mandate to prepare a fair referendum, after checking who are legal residents and so on, and we could delay it for 20 years. in response, the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine stated that compromises regarding status are inadmissible. crimea and the territorial integrity of ukraine. crimea is the center of gravity of the european security architecture, its full restoration is possible only after the complete de-occupation of the entire territory of ukraine, including the ukrainian peninsula. how do you assess, mr. valery, sikorsky's statement, given that the un is now not a powerful organization, whose mandate will be, whose mandate will be heeded by the same russia. permission i will answer the other

question that they asked, in fact , you will not find such a statement from the minister of legal affairs of poland in any public resource, except the media, right? and why and because it was said at an evening meeting within the framework of one of the forums there, and as a discussion of various options. i just don't want to make radyslav sekorsky an enemy of the ukrainian people, but i can say that... what about such discussions, even such respectable people can be wrong, i know, at least with all his achievements and consistency, i know a case when i was part of this process there, and rosslav sykorsky was wrong, in short, this is the 14th year, his council of the maidan, his arrival to press , so that we did not sign an agreement with us, but the people agreed to sign an agreement with yanukovych, and he then convinced that this was the only way

out of the crisis. nothing like that, everything went wrong, as radislav sikorsky said, but as we said, it went, so that, and such people are wrong, they are not very well versed in about our inner subtleties, despite the fact that i respect both him and his wife very much, that is, i have known them for many years, so don't make him an enemy, this is the first part, the second, since it has already become a discussion of the essence of the issue after a while, yes there referendum and everything else, then this is ... the answer was given by the ministry of foreign affairs, well, let's say this, russia is also there in its own way, well, this issue does not take off in any way with no referendums there, you and i know that this is, in principle, playing along rather, it is the russian position, rather than its ukrainian return crimea, so there is no need, i think that it should be inflated, why it turned out like that, i will tell you that it was at first.