years and i really hope that after the situation with my dismissal, the new supervisory board that has already been created will be restored, and the team that remained at ukrenergo, which has maintained the power system in extremely difficult conditions for three winters, united it with the european power system, has done a lot in order to strengthen the defense, that this team will be given... to work quietly, well, that is, and what time, it is interesting, now, well, again, we must understand, there are acting duties, oleksii brecht, whom you know , about which you mentioned, that work is in progress, i understand that the train moves on the same, the same track without turning anywhere, what is the time for there to be an understanding, this person will begin to perform his duties without this vo prefix, without this. prefix, will

they still find some other person and will these searches for your information continue here? it is important to understand that a specialist will come. regarding mr. brekt, it is clear that a person who has been there for 25 years has experience in the energy sector, and there are no questions here. one of the most experienced and most qualified energy specialists in general in this country, it is very difficult for me to even imagine someone who could surpass oleksiy in terms of competence, i worked with him for many years. shoulder to shoulder, this i can absolutely say for sure, if we imagined that we were in norway, how the process would be, a supervisory board should be created, consisting of seven members, four of which are independent, now there are not three at all, and ugh, four independent members of this supervisory board must be elected, after that the supervisory board conducts an open, public, transparent competition on...

the head of the company not by the criteria of his personal loyalty to someone, not by the criteria of whether he is somewhere there, you know, with whom he drank vodka, or with whom he is friends, or who is his relative, but by the criteria of professionalism, correct values ​​and his, so to speak, or her ability to actually lead the company at this very moment, in which it is, and we are, i will remind you on the eve of... a difficult winter, and based on the results of this competition, a manager, a new manager of the company, will be chosen, or will is it alexey, will it not be, will there be alexey at all to apply for this competition or not, these are questions that can be asked only after this new independent supervisory board is created, and this is how i was elected as a manager in 2020, i was elected in a competition where 40 or 50 people participated there, that's it... there was a whole process that

lasted several months, and i won this competition and was appointed in august of the 20th year, that is, four years ago, exactly such a competition should take place in this time. have you ever had someone call you on your cell phone? president? no, no, on a mobile phone, but the phone must be a service phone or not , there is a service phone, but my communication with the president took place, as a rule, within the framework of some meetings, huh. be it on-site, be it in the president's office, be it within the framework of rate meetings or some other formats, but not through a mobile phone and not through the service phone of the special forces, well, i honestly doubt that these special forces it is so actively used at the moment, when the president was mentioned, and he said words that are, in principle, right. need

to move, build, increase, spread, as they say, to strengthen this energy security, the president said that a gigawatt of gas maneuverable generation would be built next to each other, and then there was a statement, well , this is how a plan is given from the president, and instructions and there are people who have to implement it, then there was a statement by the minister of energy, he said that we already have... 400 mw, and you said in an interview that we have since then plus 60 mw, that is, we understand the difference, realistically, well how much is 460, and what should be done for that here is this, this is the president's order regarding one gigawatt, you said that we lost half of what was last winter, well, at least plus one, why hasn't it been done, or what is needed for that, in order to do this, first of all, how much is the real construction? new decentralized

generation, not generators near ticket shops, nor ecoflos bought by ukrainians, to which the ministry of energy has nothing to do, but new generation... which will work in the power system up to, i emphasize, up to 60 mw, not 60, even, but up to 60 mw, and what is it, just to describe what 60 mw is, i will explain, we lost, as i said, 9 g, yes, that is, 900 mw, new generation has been put into operation today, connected to power systems up to 60 megawatts have been put into operation, and... about half of them are two such small power plants, let's put it this way, and one of them was connected, these are small, of low power, and one of them was connected to the network for a year and a half, in general, i.e. at this pace, if we

continue in this spirit, then to us it will take, i don't know, decades to replace the generation that was destroyed by russian missiles and was lost. this year, but we also lost generation in 22 and 23 , well, that is, it is also grease, and it is coal-fired thermal power plants, it is gas-fired thermal power plants, mainly these are these kinds of plants, so, accordingly, what should be done , it is necessary to stop trying in a centralized way by the forces of the state to build decentralized generation, what is decentralized generation, it is when instead of one... 100 small power plants with a power of 10 appear, conditionally, i say now conditionally, this means dispersion, this is the same principle that our soldiers use on the battlefield, dispersion, no one tries

to accumulate 100 tanks, 200 armored combat vehicles and 400 people in one place, on one parking lot, right? precisely in energy, energy is under fire from the enemy, under fire from the enemy, accordingly, it must be dispersed, in order to do this, it is necessary to attract private capital, not to try to use the forces of state companies to build hundreds of small power plants by giving them a simple command: you need to build 100 mw, you need to build 300, you need to build 200, go and do it, and no one cares how you do it, you need to create the conditions, of course. in order for private capital to start massively investing in the new ukrainian generation, this is definitely a task facing the ministry of energy, as the ministry specialized in this field, and it is, strictly speaking,

responsible for the score on the scoreboard. on december 31, 2024, we will see this score on the scoreboard for now that this account, well, is not very impressive. and what worries me the most is the obvious attempt to embellish the reality there from the rostrum of the parliament or in public space, talking about some hundreds of megawatts of new generation, there are no hundreds of megawatts of new decentralized generation, as far as i understand, they are trying to add to this figure the restoration of broken thermal power plants dating back to the soviet era time, some generators, diesel generators, which are placed in... regions at a boiler house, at a small pumping station, but this is not generation, it is a power source after the outages began, they do not work on the power system, well, in the daily mode, so we are talking only about those power plants that will essentially replace

coal-fired power plants and thermal power plants that were destroyed by the enemy, and unfortunately, we have several dozen of such what should these power plants work on? on different types of fuel, on gas, ugh, of course, this is such a traditional fuel for modern thermal generation, but i’ll just ask right away, i heard a statement in the government, in my opinion, it was a whip, but i ’m afraid to lie, i just remembered that this year we we plan to run on gas from our own production, i'm just leading to the point that if we build dozens of power plants, then buy gas, again the price of this gas and all that later. will be included in the price when a private investor will do it, he already knows what the price of electricity is today on the market, on the wholesale market, not for the population, it has nothing to do with the tariffs for the population, it is related to the prices for businesses, i.e. today there is a price for business, there is a price for gas, accordingly

today burning gas in modern gas turbine, gas piston power plant, you can sell electricity from this gas at a profit, ugh, and private business to... by the way, we are very actively ready to invest in these things, and we at ukrenergo have been engaged in creating conditions for private business in recent months, so that private business invested in a new ukrainian genera'. in particular, what we did with the energy regulator from the ncp, the liberalization of prices on this wholesale market for business and the long-term contracts that ukrenergo concludes with investors for 5 years, buying the service from these future power plants from there from the 25th to the 30th year. in this way, the investor clearly understands how to pay off his project. he has a firm contract with a large state-owned company. with the operator of the power system, and he can bring this contract to the bank, take a loan, invest, get a profit on his

investment, pay off the loan and get the corresponding profit, such contracts are currently concluded for 600 mw, well, according to the results, i will not ask about works, because again , we will not give, we give one year, that's it a realistic term, one year for the deployment of new systems, electricity production, as well as energy storage systems, these are battery systems, the so-called battery storage, which are also very necessary for the energy system for balancing, but only two ukrenergo auctions for these services yielded 600 mw of those willing to build , which will start to be built right now, this is a private business, but in the state sector, we still see much more modest results, and i think that the bet should still be... placed on private business, because how many things to build, it has been known for a long time, back in the 23rd year, at

the beginning, we talked about the need to build a decentralized generation, by the way, there was a lot of talk about this in the press as well, but then a different vision of energy development was brought to the london conference on restoration, some such gigantomania, where it was necessary to build, invest 400 billion euros of investments, build 300 gw of new capacities, well, western investors looked at it... they said: sorry, these plans are unrealistic, you are talking about some kind of space, fantasies, we, the people business, and we money we invest in real projects, not in someone’s dreams, there are dreams and so on, and we lost time, in any case, now we are finishing, as they say, we will get as close as possible to people who are either warm or cold this winters, we need to prepare here, i understand that in any case this winter we are going through there plus or minus some tens or hundreds of megawatts will be added to what is available now, here you already said about this year, that is, it is clear that we let's restore

traditions on the traditional generation, then i will prove that as you advise people, yes just get ready, what to buy at home, you can buy a large diesel generator there at sbb, i believe that if there is no sharp increase in the intensity of russian shelling, that is, we cannot say that they will not occur at all, but... it is important that not there will be a sharp increase in intensity, that they will not be three or five times larger and more frequent, and we will have such a situation that in the warm periods of winter, conditionally +2, there, well, up to -5, you say, zero, minus one, there will be outages or minimal, or there will be none at all, in cold weather periods of winter -5 -7, especially -10, minus15, the consumption will increase so much that physically... it will not be possible to collect enough generation to cover it, ugh, and then there may

be blackouts, what scale they will be, well, this is a guess at coffee grounds, but we can say that the deficit may be similar to some kind of summer deficit, ugh, that is, it is not july or august, it depends a lot, again, how many power plants will be restored, what will be the import of electricity, because in july we also have import is not used. unfortunately, in full capacity, we did not import all that we could have imported, unfortunately, because of the price, but this is also a question for the leaders of the industry, how to ensure the complete filling of imports in winter, and i want to say, by the way, that i remind , that the poles, the polish prime minister, in particular, proposed to attract polish power plants to work in ukraine in the winter, and it seems to me that this... the project should be seriously engaged in order for us to get several hundred megawatts from

the use of that imported power which which ukrenergo provides there, but which, unfortunately , is not used, we have less than a minute, i cannot help but ask this question, do you already have an understanding of what you will do later in life, i have approximately such private business, i i don't know, write a book, go travel there. to support the armed forces of ukraine in any way, i can definitely, definitely say that i will be in ukraine . due to my much more modest capabilities, i will also do this, but i would like to work in one or more of the following areas, this is investment attraction, this is european integration, because in fact, in the 22nd year, we brought ukrenergo into the electric power eu, and

i believe that this experience can be replicated throughout the country, that is... the transformation of our energy system, that is, the development of this new decentralized generation, it will essentially mean a new ukrainian energy system, cheaper, cleaner, more resistant to russian attacks. in what format i will realize myself in these three directions, time will tell, i think, in the coming weeks, months, but i would definitely like to work in these... directions, and today i don't see a big demand for it yet from the public sector, so for now i will be outside it. thank you very much, there are many questions, perhaps not the last conversation, because in fact there is a lot to talk about, this is a very interesting, important topic, in principle, ah, explain, clarify,

point out problems and, most importantly, ways their his, their overcoming and solution. volodymyr. the national energy company ukrenergo was with us for 20-24 years, and you stay with espresso tv channels. it will be interesting later.

putin is a special agent himself, and all the years of his rule he actually saturated ukraine with his agents. well, what shines on you? from 15 to from 15 to life, wow, and for what, for work for for work for the russian special service, did you work, that’s right, but you have a son in

the armed forces, the fact that it might somehow stop you from cooperating with the russians way... to kill yours my son, it could have killed me, since 2014 in the war with ukraine, russia has been using one special weapon that has been prepared for years, and maybe even decades, since the moment of ... a large-scale invasion, this weapon has been activated in different parts of ukraine, as in the east and in the west. these weapons are people who transmit important information to the aggressor. it was very difficult, but we managed to talk both with operatives hunting for traitors and with people detained on suspicion of treason.

we need to take into account that putin is himself a special agent, and all the years of his rule he actually saturated ukraine with his agents. the sbu actively worked on this agency, and that is why the initial plan they had at the beginning of the full-scale invasion was not implemented. it is under article 111 of the criminal code, which is treason, that more than 2,500 criminal proceedings have been opened, and to date we have about 500 convictions for these. article, it is worth noting that with the beginning of a full-scale invasion, the verkhovna rada increased responsibility for this type crime, and if earlier the maximum type of punishment was 15 years in prison. from now on, from the beginning of the full-scale invasion , part two was added to article 111, which stipulates that treason committed under martial law is punishable by

imprisonment up to life imprisonment. i knew that i knew that sooner or later i would still be locked up, but i had to do my duty. i had to fulfill my duty. the person did not introduce himself, the person did not introduce himself. what exchange, i will tell you right away, i am 60 years old, i i've been retired for a long time, even for russia i'm already retired, you understand, that is, i'm not interesting for them, i don't

represent any interest, you're ideological, that's for sure, and what's wrong with you, from? 15 for life, wow, and for what, for working for the russian special service, the russian special service, you worked, that’s right, look, i am a member of the commission on pardons under the president of ukraine, in exchanges, included... exclusively those who have the status of a prisoner of war, civilians cannot be exchanged, that is, there is, in principle, even, let's put it this way,

there is no legal basis for handing over ukrainian citizens to russia, even if they were convicted there under such articles as treason or collaborationism, we have an exception, let's remember mr. medvedchuk, who is... but a civilian who was handed over the russian federation, but it was, well, let's say it like this, an exceptional operation that did not have any legal basis and legal basis. the fact is that since 2014 this has become a completely new phenomenon for ukraine, both the judicial system and the law enforcement system adapted to this new phenomenon. when we talk about collaborationism, we mean collaboratively, collaboratively. activity , there were actually no such arrests, respectively , at the stage of 2014-2000 of the 22nd year, instead, to

date, more than 800 criminal cases have been initiated. as for treason, the number of such crimes was actually one, they did not exist until 2000 of the 22nd year, they existed. the norm of prosecution for treason, but in the period from 2014 to 2022, in fact, two criminal cases were considered under this article, we remember nell stepa, there was a well-known case under this article as well, which did not even end with a verdict, rather it ended with an acquittal, and the prerogative is actually... following and bringing to justice here the security service of ukraine, as it happens , let's say, the collection of information and,

accordingly, all the subsequent stages of the pre-trial investigation and the judicial course of cases in order to obtain the proper evidence, the evidentiary base and already the verdict, so that... it will be such that it will not be disputed, this the person is really an enemy of ukraine, that he collected information to the detriment of state security and passed it on to representatives of the liquefied bodies of our enemy, does he have the opportunity... even if he receives the maximum term to go to russia? we have an established exchange mechanism, as far as i

know, he wants to. get on these lists to avoid penalties. he was interested in information about the armed forces of ukraine, primarily this information is archival for the russians, also taking into account the fact that he was an employee of one of the enterprises in the mykolaiv oblast, then their was interested in information about the activities of this enterprise, he... purposefully, on the instructions of his curators, picked up persons who also have a pro-russian position on the territory of the mykolaiv oblast in order to collect information about the armed forces of ukraine, the defense forces. this was one of his main tasks. i can also say that from our experience

there is a lot. people who were still involved by the kgb bodies in their own cooperation, and it is they who are also now being targeted by representatives of the special services from russia, well, if you can call it that, yes called canned goods. since the 14th year, i have been interested in... this problem, well, maybe because i started to observe how it was arranged at that time, because i myself am from luhansk, and i was in the period of the 14th year, until in the summer of 14, i had the opportunity to observe directly how the first steps were taken in the occupied territory, and as of the 20th year , i found that we had a lot of different bills that proposed to establish ...

we made late decisions, well that a trend, unfortunately, not only for criminal justice policy for other areas, but these decisions, if they were already accepted, they were... they were of high quality. on march 3, 2022, the verkhovna rada adopts a package of laws, laws that include the law establishing responsibility for collaborative activities, so finally it happened, finally the law enforcement officers received this important a tool to counter the phenomenon we are talking about, we already finally have data for two years, the 22nd, 23rd year, which can allow us to analyze

how effectively this struggle is taking place. and that's when we see such results results for these two years, unfortunately, there is a certain problem. today, in my opinion, law enforcement officers will still concentrate their efforts on simpler and more primitive cases, not those that society in general would like, and yet it ranks first among all forms of collaborative activity in terms of the number of both registered facts and verdicts , which are decreed, this is taken up by the first part of article 111 with the mark one, this is... such informational interaction is a problem that appears with treason, it concerns the appearance of these things that we are talking about now, collaborative activity, assistance of the state to the aggressor, when these norms appeared, the question arose, how should they interact with each other, where is treason? i was born in the village of shkotovo, primorsky krai. i was born in

the village of shkotovo in the primorsky krai of the russian federation, then it was the rsfsr, in 1964 in the family of a military man, i graduated from high school, entered the higher military school, i was actually recruited at the stage of my studies, when he was trained on the territory of the russian federation , upon arrival in ukraine, he came to the status of a so-called sleeping agent, that is, these are recruited people who are waiting... at the beginning of a full-scale invasion, such an instruction came. i would not have taken the oath on february 22, 1992, but would have taken a step forward, turned around and gone to russia. if i knew how it would all turn out, and what it would lead to, i would just spit and go to russia. i turned down the post of colonel in the crimea four times.

i refused four times. from the post of colonel in the crimea, four.