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at espresso. greetings, dear viewers, today. we invited volodymyr kudrytskyi, he is the ex-head of prad-nec-ukrenergo. i congratulate you. congratulations. a person who was talked about a lot, there were many rumors, but today we will dismantle all the rumors and try to understand what happened, what are the prospects now, well, specifically for mr. volodymyr, and of course, to a greater extent, you are interested in whether we will have light, what are the prospects of our energy system, in fact, on the eve of the autumn-winter period. on the eve of the heating season, but we will still start with your release, at that time the main motivation that was voiced was that the facilities were not ready for enemy strikes, the shelters did not work, the energy system suffered serious damage, people sat without

lights, and how your release became a logical continuation of this story, but in fact , no one still understands, and why you fired? well, actually, this is a vivid example of how you can try to turn the media field around through anonymous telegram channels and youtube podcasts of some bloggers so that reality is turned upside down . in fact, the fact is the following: there are about 80 main objects that are managed ukrenergo. ukrenergo is a company that transports electricity through trunk networks and has several dozen substations, which are just. supply electricity from the main network to the oblenergo network, and already about 70 ukrenergo facilities have storage for the most critical type of equipment, these are autotransformers, these are actually those big machines, such big devices that

convert the voltage from the very high voltage of the mains class 330 00 to 750 00 to the voltage that is characteristic of the distribution networks that reach every... home and to all 17 million subscribers that currently exist in ukraine. these autotransformers, as many probably know, were the objects of attack in 22, 23, and in 24, the russians also quite actively tried to attack them with shaheds, so the antishah tried to attack them to attack with shaheds, so anti-shahed protection is built on the absolute majority of our facilities. i would say such cynicism and paradoxical situation is that there is none. another object of critical infrastructure in this country, protection of this kind has not been built at the moment, therefore, if we talk about some bad results of the construction of protection by ukrainian energy, then it is probably necessary to start with the wrong organization, which, together with agerst, built

a restoration of the order of 70 buildings, probably look at those objects that have not been built nothing at all, if we talk specifically about our company, then now... the trunk network is pretty well protected by these engineering fortifications, and by the way, the last mass attack, where more than 100 missiles and 130 drones were used, ugh, it just demonstrated the reliability of this protection, why? because there were outages for several days and after that they disappeared, that is, all bottlenecks in the network, after the arrival of several dozen missiles, they were eliminated literally there in 10 days, which of course would be impossible if the objects were not protected, you you understand what it is like when a rocket hits any object, be it a residential building, or an industrial object, or even more so an electric power object, so all these accusations are just an attempt to somehow justify that

situation, what happened and i will try, as time has shown, quite unsuccessfully, because, actually, as you yourself say, questions remain and i have already commented. this situation, i believe that this is simply an attempt to take control of the company, including from the ministry of energy. if, well, not to reveal certain secrets to the enemy, first of all, but if you so you say that there is a shelter and there is a system of shelters that has proven itself on the good side due to the fact that in a fairly short time energy is supplied to homes, not only to homes, to various institutions there. the institutions were restored, that is, there is a case, you saw those places where, relatively speaking, there was either the fall of a shaheed, or fragments of rockets, or some other things, and it protected, so there were direct cases of direct hits of shaheeds in these shelters, and shelters worked perfectly, the equipment

was saved, and in most cases such the equipment was put back into operation on the same day, these shelters, because we talked about it, but something like that. well, maybe there is no such answer, because maybe it can't be voiced, but i'm just wondering if there is a certification of these shelters, or if it's done by ister specialists, it should work, that is, something like that. yes, it's certified, it's a shelter, that's it, well, not quite a shelter, because it's not what we're supposed to have, it's certified, the body is, uh, and you know it, it's called the general staff, uh, uh, design these shelters, i.e. a design solution, they were formed and implemented, according to the requirements of the general staff, which clearly understands and knows what the impact of the combat unit there is of various types

of kamikaze drones of the shachet type, at what angles they can hit, what is the force of the shahed explosion there upon contact with the surface of this storage and so on, i.e. all these technical parameters that were already implemented in these projects and the projects of yes... storage would also be agreed by the general staff, so if we are talking about a certain mark of quality, then its it is the general staff that issues it in the first place. if we talk today about the protection of the ukrainian energy system, you have said a lot, but of course people think like this, well, surely not everything is closed, not everything is secured, and something more should be done, this work continues to create protection'. buildings and whether the time that remains before the onset of severe

cold will be enough to do the maximum of what is possible today for shelter, well , we are now talking about ukrenergo, well, if we are talking about ukrenergo, then i can responsibly to say that the main network, which transports power from large power plants to oblenergo, you can not particularly worry about, the first line of shelters, which are the most critical... which allow stable transportation of electricity during the autumn-winter period, they, this first line is actually already it is being finalized there, and the absolute majority of the shelters that were supposed to be built, they are already built, the equipment is being placed there, it is now being connected to the network, the planning process is underway, which will be completed there during october month of this year, therefore, for the ability of energy to transport powerfully. i would n't worry so much, and the biggest attack that

happened, in my opinion, on august 26, if i'm not mistaken, just shows that even such an attack cannot cause any catastrophic consequences for the energy system. when we talk about shelters, we must also understand that there are about 100 large objects in the power system and about 30 thousand small ones, 100 large ones are a couple of dozen large power plants and... about 80 ukrenergo substations, all these large objects have an area in tens of hectares, some power plants have an area of ​​hundreds of hectares, and it is clear that you cannot build some kind of conflation, like in chernobyl, over an area of, i don’t know, 10 or 100 football fields, it is physically impossible and impractical, so they defend themselves only the critical elements of each object, well, for the okrenergo substation. as well as for power plants, by the way, autotransformers are one of the critical elements, which convert the voltage

from a higher class to a lower one, in order to be able to transport this electricity further already to citizens, to industrial enterprises, to hospitals, to schools, kindergartens and so on, respectively, when there is damage either by a missile or a kamikat drone from some object, some temporary shutdowns are possible, while the repair crews... they fix the non-critical equipment that can be quickly replaced, but the most important thing is to secure the most complex, the most expensive equipment that takes a very long time to replace, it can take weeks, even months, and that's what this protection program is focused on energy facilities, if we talk about what still needs to be done before winter, of course, now it is necessary to focus on protection, engineering protection in such an emergency and urgent manner. of our power plants, because if the ukrenergo network historically has a large margin

of safety, and today already, when winter has not yet come, it is nevertheless able to transport power, well through, including through transformers, which is twice our highest maximum consumption there in country, then with generation, with electricity production, the situation is straightforward the opposite, you know the country has lost... more than 9 gw of generation, that's more than half or half of all available generation as of last winter, and not all of that power will be restored by winter, so we'll have... less power plants in operation , there are fewer power units in operation than there were last winter, and those power plants that have survived now, and those power plants that are now being restored and will be restored before winter, they must be protected, they must be secured, because they have the same practically near the substation those that connect the power unit to the grid, these

substations also need to be protected, and of course , first of all, we need to... take care of active protection, that is, work with partners to strengthen our air defense forces, because air defense, it gives there 85-90, probably percent protection against enemy missile and drone attacks. well, by the way, now the italians have a second sump system to hand over to ukraine, i think that their initiative is supported by other partners, there germany also promises to give more for the front, but i think that also for energy protection, well you are talking about the fact that... now we have half as many as we had last winter, i remember last winter there were also candles and points of unbreakability, it happened that even in such cities, which are far away from the front, well, we had to sit for more than a day without electricity, that is, it should be clear to people now that if we talk about this gigawatt promised by the president, again,

it is not the responsibility of the president, it is a gigawatt to provide, he said, well, we will see how it will be implemented, but in any in this case, we have to understand... that when the load increases, it will increase, because the heaters, and people there will use more electricity, then in any case, even if everything is fine with the defense, repel enemy attacks, the damage will be minimal, everything only scheduled shutdowns will return with the onset of cold weather, because as i understand it, the volume that is there is banal, it will have to be eco-friendly, well, distributed evenly, which means that someone will have to save money, despite the fact that there are critical infrastructure objects , as far as i understand, which should be provided permanently. you rightly say that critical infrastructure facilities are heat supply, water supply, drainage, they, well, some other facilities, they must be provided constantly, they are not included in these queues of shutdowns, indeed in cold weather, in the event of cold consumption

will increase quite sharply, while it must be said that compared to today, the number of generators will also increase, because some will be repaired. nuclear power units, the repair period will end campaign on nuclear power plants, some power units of thermal power plants are being restored, that is, it cannot be said that we will enter the winter with today's generation composition, no, it will be greater, but the increase in consumption, in relation to today, will exceed the increase in the generation that we will have calculated for the winter, and therefore in the cold periods of winter, when the temperature reaches -5 -7 -10° on average per day, a shortage of electricity is very likely, let's say so, and it is not covered by the available generation resource, which is planned for the winter or , also additional volumes of imports from europe, which

ukrenergo provided after uniting the energy system of ukraine and europe in the 22nd year, but... this import, first of all, unfortunately, is not used to the full extent, it is used approx. by 30-40%. well, because quite often in europe the price of everything is higher than in ukraine, that is, people should understand that we are not given this electricity just like that, we buy it at a higher price, and moreover , it is mainly bought by private companies and there are some state, on a commercial basis, i.e having bought electricity in europe, they must sell it at least without a loss in ukraine. at the same time, when the price in ukraine is lower than the european price, of course it is impossible, and to whom they sell, to consumers or businesses, on the electricity spot exchange, which is called the forward market, it is the market today for tomorrow, there are different options, but electricity is mainly imported for large industrial consumers, who in this way protect themselves from blackouts, because there is such a decree

of the cabinet of ministers that allows you to avoid disconnect if you import a certain percentage of your own. consumption, and accordingly, industrial enterprises, for the technological process, whose outages are very, well, let’s say so, harmful, they are very sensitive to these outages, in this way, they overpay a little for electricity, nevertheless they protect their production from this negative phenomena, we will now continue to talk about things about energy, technology, preparation for winter and others. important questions, but i will ask a question that was dispersed in such a way, you know, as in this one, as in to the vacuum tube very quickly, and even so it diverged about the bonus that you supposedly... received when you left the position of head of pratnyk ukrenergo, and it was about uah 40 million, i wonder where this amount came from, in

principle, who was the first to voice it, because it must be a person who has access to certain financial statements, well, that is, i think that not everyone knows how much, let's say, an espresso employee can receive bonuses, because he received it there, well, it must be any insiders, and who was the first to voice this figure, why 40 million i was there any prize at all? well , first of all, i must say that the first to announce this amount, as far as i know , is the trukhaye telegram channel, such an anonymous telegram channel, which is not the first time to announce lies, this amount has nothing to do with reality, they published, by the way, an interesting fact, they published this part of the photo from the minutes of the meeting of the supervisory board e. where upon my dismissal it was also written the need for a settlement, well, in full with me as an employee, including the payment of those not

paid before there, not made before payments for the previous years, starting from the 21st, because according to my contract, part of the payments to me, my wages, bonuses, i will actually receive, were withheld until the end of my contract. or for several years, and where the amount of 40 million came from, i simply do not know, it is made up, just like the made-up story about the poor protection of the ukrenergo substation, which, to be sure , are the only objects in principle protected in this country, and i can say that indeed , i received part of the bonuses there for previous years that were not paid upon dismissal, this is absolutely normal the practice, when an employee... is fired, he receives all the payments due to him, and the amount of these payments is many times less than what was announced by trukha's telegram channel, picked up by

3.5 bloggers and one people's deputy, who is very active i was interested in exactly this issue, and i was very little interested, for example, in the issue of the protection of real infrastructure objects, other than the ukrner substation, you know, i, for example, never like to count other people's money. is it, well, you won't get more of them, someone's won't get smaller because of that you you will simply lose time and possibly nerve cells, but in any case, when such information enters the public space, many people will hear and will not hear, when this information will be refuted, and when there will be time in ukraine, maybe, well, such there are precedents, of course, but aren't you interested in, let's say, well, for example, suing people who voice such information, just not because... you will win something there, or have extra money, most likely extra trouble, well , but simply it would be such a lesson for such figures, and the next time with

the next employee of a state company or a politician, they simply thought whether to write outright lies or not to write? well, good advice, i will actually think about it, i want to say that unfortunately, probably the amount... there payments to the head of ukrenergo for several years, it is less than, for example, the amount of the bribe of the deputy minister of energy for one transaction, and i think , that the problem, the main problem is not that telegram channels write lies, some people there who have their own youtube channels, or deputy mandates are spread, in that... with a high probability, unfortunately, this is done for money, and this money is not taken from the white salaries of the top management of companies,

but from some obviously shadowy cash flows, and as i said , their scale is obviously much larger than the payments there by the management of ukrenergo or some other energy companies, i have always paid taxes correctly from my salary... during my career i have always received only a white salary, and i am very proud of the fact that conditionally saying, the more salary i get, the i can pay more taxes to the state budget, well, as for lawsuits, let’s see, there will be time, maybe we will deal with it, i hope, by the way, that there is such an initiative in the verkhovna rada of ukraine, in order to withdraw from the shadows of the hair or well , the ultimate beneficiaries of these or that telegram channels that have millions of subscribers there, or more than a million subscribers, just so that everyone understands who is behind it, because if the media has, well, there are certain media that

have less influence than individual telegram channels, now 70. more than 70% ukrainians get their news from telegram channels, by the way, this is yesterday's information, research, it's just a fact, and therefore, if, relatively speaking, the espresso tv channel, or the direct tv channel, or the rada tv channel, or any other tv channel is accountable to the national commission, before the law, well, in the same way, other people also have to answer, because it actually already exists as a means of mass information, well, since ukrainians get this or that news from there, and one more question, again, here it is.. . not personnel, but these rumors, they are needed finish it to the end, and then we will return to generation and waiting for the autumn-winter period, and they wrote that the minister of energy galushchenko may be behind your dismissal, and if so, why did this information appear? well, this information, first of all, i also said in previous interviews that i consider the ministry to be the initiator

of this whole situation. i will repeat once again that this situation has nothing to do with the bad or good protection of the ukrenergo substation there, it is a complete absurdity, and this is simply a desire, obviously to control the operational activities of the company, attempts at such control began back in the 21st year, to control the money, yes to control the money, to control some, i don't know personnel appointments within the company, and since the 21st year they started... active attempts there to offer me very good people for various positions in the management of the company, which i rejected, there were attempts to change the management of the company outside the supervisory board in the 21st year, already during the invasion and in the midst of the invasion, there were attempts to change the board once again, there were attempts to dictate, for example, the sequence of debt payments on the electricity market.

well, that is, there were quite lively attempts to interfere in our activities like this, with documents, with official letters, orders, and so on, and we never once succumbed to these attempts, they stopped at some point, obviously, when people understood , that it makes no sense to talk to us in such a language, but numerous inspections began, first by the ministry. audit, then the state audit service conducted an audit with the participation of representatives ministries, then numerous investigations by law enforcement agencies, media, by the way, attacks too, and they did not start before my dismissal or after my dismissal, they began many months ago, i will remind you that the same lie was published about my salary in 2 million hryvnias, and in my opinion it was the telegram channel that actively

dispersed trukha. this fake, well, and some other things , they counted how many air conditioners are in my house, well, they just published some delusions, but obviously it was such art training, and it is absolutely obvious to me that with more or with less intensity were these attempts to finally get this control over the company, but now it is a paradoxical situation, because of the rather active reaction of civil society, including our western partners. who entrusted ukrenergo with 1.5 billion euros of funding during the invasion, this is more than the ministry and other energy companies took together, after this reaction the process stopped, that is, i was fired, my deputy was appointed by the supervisory board, duties, yes oleksiy brecht, this our cto, and basically right now…

there is such a crossroads, that is, either the normal management system of the company will be restored, when the supervisory board is created, it must have a majority of independent people who supervise the company's activities without any regard for any whims of someone there, well, without a shorter word, i don't know it's ukrainian the language is simply not from ukrainian e. not from ukrainian realities, this is the word, that is why it sounds so smotryachych and not from ukrainian realities, but everything and who looks so so the question is that the institution of smotryachych is ee conditionally what is forever, we must forever forget it in this country, there are civilized institutions, european, or if you want civilized institutions of civilized education, if we go there, then

we must build such institutions. and of course you should.