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talk about international events, those that affect the situation in the world, well, in ukraine, of course, too. the war in the middle east, the attack of pagers, that is, this will be our topic. in fact, you all watched what happened in lebanon at the beginning of this week, suddenly hundreds. pagers, hundreds of different gadgets, later, after a few days , various representatives of the terrorist hezbollah began to explode, and 37 dead, well, this is the minimum, this is the minimum, we cannot really know, because the lebanese authorities can hardly even theoretically report the real number, more than 3,000 wounded, there, in particular, there are also representatives of the ira. among

the wounded, in particular the ambassador, iran, who lost an eye, there are a lot of people, in particular, people who lost their sight, yes, or their sight was damaged, their eyes were damaged, well , in particular, western publications say that pagers, conditional pagers and other gadgets were waiting for this team, some media reported that such an operation was being prepared for about... years, whether it is true or not, we will either never know, or we will find out only after some time, from some other book about massad , so possible, but on the other hand, well, this is something new, this is some completely new level, this is something that was not expected, that was expected in general, rockets, drones, some, some explosions, it actually happened here. which basically

turns the whole idea of ​​modern warfare today, as security, a modern, modern system without... security, particularly in the middle east, but i would say here that it is not only about the near now east, this applies now to the whole world, and now everyone, well, a terrorist and not only a terrorist will pick up his gadgets to be afraid that he maybe not only a terrorist, i say, a terrorist and not only a terrorist, any person will now be afraid, by the way, they are actively talking about it, including on russian television, now i have already... seen, to speak about at least here is this block, no not yet let's not rush into a full-fledged war, but this block of what happened in lebanon, this special operation, these explosions, these pagers, these

gadgets, in your opinion, how much is it in general will affect the general security system, on general fear. different representatives of different states, and what will this change in our world and in world politics? well, by the way, we need to start talking about this from a technological point of view, because what you have drawn is to some extent a utopia, and here you are producing an iphone, which is the iphone you have, yes, made in china, but yes or otherwise it is controlled by the manufacturer. and it is responsible for your safety and it is an american company, well, in principle, now this american company should think about whether it should transfer the production of iphones to india and taiwan, well, as far as i understand, half of the parts have already been transferred to india, because it is a huge risk

now for it, because in principle, the chinese special services, as it turns out, can install anything in such a gadget, if, if you can't find... explosives, then you ca n't find anything, but imagine, we understand that it's not just there that hezbollah bought some pagers and walkie-talkies for its fighters, and just, you know, brought a box to new mail, and come on guys, come ahmed, here you are, abdullah, here you are, mahmoud, here you are, and yes and no, there is its own special service, by the way, which works with the iranians, in iran a very... special service that checks all this 150,000 times before giving someone to listen, for the existence of bugs, for the existence of explosives, for everything, and they found nothing, nothing, it is not even clear where they bought it, some say from

hungary, others say from bulgaria, others say from taiwan, you can't find ends, it's like with the iphone, where it was installed, in china or in america, that is. the first thing we have to do, we have to move the production, and now everyone will think about it, i think that now the owner of apple will be meeting in the cia and in the pentagon, telling him: listen, do you want to explode yourself? do you want us to explode? let's choose, we will all explode here together, let's re-transport the production, because sooner or later it will happen, it's not a matter of one day, but in a couple of years you have to do it once in a couple of years, but imagine. you don't have a huawei iphone, you already have one you will be with, if you have such a specific democratic position, or you are an employee of the special service of some democratic country, and you took this android made in china, i

will not give a hryvnia for your life and safety, so what are we approaching, we are definitely understand, if we are in this part of the world, we can only use equipment made in... if we are in this part of the world where russia and china are, then this means that any iphone can at any time either explode or transmit some information about you, you don't now you know to the end what can be inserted there. this means that we are approaching a world where, ideally, every country should use technologies of its own production. and the whole production process should take place within the framework of one country or block of countries, this is the only possibility, not that some compromising files will be passed on you, this is a possibility to survive, you know, because someone, if someone some photos that are not will like your wife or your mother-in-law,

broadcast on television, as was the case with prosecutor general skuratov, in russian, it is certainly unpleasant, but after that they do not die. they retire, they live, but if you have a leg or an arm torn off, it's a different situation, and before that you were a general prosecutor or an ambassador, here's a great example for you, i'm an ambassador and i don't have an eye, because i use it. all by walkie-talkie, i did not violate any security rules, which in principle should have been applied to diplomats of my rank, well, this is just an ordinary disaster in this regard, the israeli special services, if it is them, let's say so, because they do not admit it, they discovered a really new, new chapter in the history of mankind, which means technological separation, and it will go, we are in such a dystopia, we will live for the next 5 years. years, because first there will be walkie-talkies, pagers, then there will be mobile phones, other devices, some kind

of technology that is in the headquarters of special services, all this will explode, burn, it will simply be part of a completely different torment of war, so this is the first moment , the second point, well, by and large, there is a question now, how the situation will develop, because everyone is afraid of a big war all the time. in the middle east, that not only hamas, but also hezbollah will be a real part of this war, and everyone is afraid that this will happen now, well , you have to understand a simple thing, we already talked about it at the beginning of our program, hezbollah can say as many times as you want, that it will take revenge on israel, but in order to take revenge you need to have the potential, this is exactly the same story as with the strikes on iran, we understand that in principle hezbollah is not... the strongest terrorist organization in the world, because in lebanon does not have a large population, the fact that it has

so many people disabled, it is primarily people, where else to get them, they need to be recruited, taught, given new reasons, without fearing that they too will explode, that too it is not clear, and this is all a huge problem, so what to say that it is urgent. there will be an answer, it's hard to say, now regarding israel's position, well, we were already waiting for one urgent answer, and in fact, maybe it is precisely israel who would like to finish off hezbollah politically, at least, you understand, because of course there is a need to because the hasbala stopped terrorizing the north of israel, from the north of israel, people were evacuated from such cities as e.e. kiryachmona, but also from smaller ones such as metula. kiryachmona is

, by our standards, an ordinary raicenter, well, less than a raicenter, there is no population there at all, these people who live there are people who did not want to age, but they are a significant minority, it is basically developed into a city with highways , with enterprises, with hotels, well, the city, well, it's typical. a typical, relatively speaking, urban-type village, european- style, so of course, well, nothing is different in europe, we understand well a village or a small city in terms of many parameters from a big one, well, well, i just think, i, i, i was in kiryat chmon, i lived next to it for several weeks, so i imagine the dimensions, i just want to understand what it is, but now let's see what it compares to in terms of scale'. well, i think, not with a regional center, probably a ukrainian one, we have large regional centers,

not with, well, with a city like a bearded man, well, that’s about it, i don’t know, it’s possible, well, sokali, probably, this is the kind of city, and so imagine that all the inhabitants of this city, well, by the way, we have such a thing, we have such a... evacuation from glukhiv, these are completely parallel things, glukhiv is such a city, they tell me that the population is 22, well, this is a typical, typical district center, yes, and here are all the people who live there, there are 2,000, relatively speaking, they live now in hotels, with relatives, with acquaintances, this is not very good for the israeli government, because it is not the gas sector, lebanon is nearby, nearby, and this means that they cannot provide a normal life for these people, i remember very well. that during my first trip to israel in the year 96,

if i am not mistaken, and in the year 96, where mini, representatives of the ministry of foreign affairs of israel specially took me and my colleagues to the borders of israel, and one of these borders was the border with lebanon, and they said, what do you see? it is absolutely peaceful here, but i said, listen, well, it is a conditional peace, because the israeli army is in the south of lebanon, which means a peaceful border, you can cross it, and there will be peace there too, because there is an army there, if you remove the army from here . then the army left, and the peace continued, i already came, relatively speaking, to drink coffee in metula, on the very border of lebanon and israel, already when there was no lebanese israeli army in lebanon at all, and this part was already controlled in fact by hasbolah, now in metula, as you understand, coffee is not served yes, it's still drinking coffee in kupinsk, well, in

kupinsk, maybe even yes, well, in kupinsk , yes, good, good comparison, you city. literally, so it must somehow be stopped, because you will understand that it is not just about security, a certain symbolism, all these cities, and metula, and well, towns, and kiryat shmona is one of the first settlements on the territory of the former mandated palestine, the museum of the israel defense forces, where it was born, is located 10 km from kiryat shmona. that is, it was the territory where the institutional strength of the power structures and the security of israel began to be ensured. so next to skiliad shmanna in kibbutz geladia is buried yosif trumfeldor, the man who created the first jewish self-defense units on the territory of the former mandatory

palestine. and the fact that battles are going on next to the strumpeldorov grave, and people... can't to live there is a blow to the prestige of the israeli government, and by the way, shit, he knows it perfectly well, because he, as you understand, we all know the history of the middle east by heart precisely from the point of view of all the symbols, the people who they are watching this, and when netanyahu says, you will not return the people to the north, that is what it means, you will not be able to save face, i will not give it to you, nor taniako, of course, thinks that he has. it is his duty as the prime minister of israel to save the face of his state, and therefore it is necessary to destroy the capabilities of hamas and therefore this war continues for as many as 351 days today, and so we need to destroy hezbollah's capabilities, how realistic is that is another question, because we understand that hezbollah is a much more serious structure than hamas,

because hamas relies exclusively on the infrastructure of the gas sector, and hezbollah relies on a casting infrastructure. states, this is more serious than the gas sector, and kazbala is an influence on the government, an influence on the armories, drug trade, mafia activities, social security of the poor, whom they themselves made poor, but they help them, that is, this a huge conglomerate of interests, iran with the help of hezbollah, which you understood, simply destroyed the lebanese statehood, here we are talking about something. and with whom we speak in lebanon, when we try to understand who is responsible for this state, there is an acting prime minister, for many years, this person is acting, this is an illegitimate prime minister, of the prime minister, who has already resigned, but continues to perform his duties, because the government cannot, the parliament

cannot elect a new one, and the entire government does, and in lebanese official documents do not call this person the prime minister of israel, this is... we call her that, and they call her in the arabic formulation: the one who leaves office, uh, the prime minister who leaves office, and they are always so clear, the minister of foreign affairs who is leaving his post is not the former one, but the one who has resigned, because they are all retired, they do not have a president, they have not been able to elect a president for many years in a row, well, until the elections a big question, to theirs, to the legitimacy of these elections that allegedly took place there, elections may be taking place in them, but again these elections lead to the fact that they cannot reach an agreement, so that in fact all institutions are completely destroyed, that is, the state does not function, there is an army, but this army is weaker, than hezbela units, but we talk about hezbela all the time, as if to fly, that it is a political

party, and how a political party has its army, well, that is also a very strange thing. and this army enjoys the support of the speaker of the parliament of lebanon, who at the moment is one of the highest officials in the absence of the president, because the speaker of the parliament is a political ally from another shia party, but a political ally, and this is such a disaster, you understand, and this is as long as this disaster continues, it is absolutely obvious that there is no peace on the middle east is out of the question, and iran is interested in this catastrophe, but what... we all watch later, after this pagergate, how the israeli armed forces tzahal would attack... beir, that is, they were actually struck there throughout lebanon, no just in beirut, dozens, maybe even hundreds of different sites, mostly military

sites that are related to hezbollah, and we see that aviation was used there, we saw that ballistic missiles were used there, that is, in fact, we can even talk about the fact that as of... now , israel and lebanon are in such a state, if not a direct war, then a pre-war one, whether a full-fledged war could arise, well , look, lebanon will definitely not fight with israel, israel can fight only with gosbola, lebanon doesn't even have the strength to fight a war with israel, but the important thing is that you are talking about these strikes, they are by and large israel's attempts to destroy the infrastructure, hezbollah, it's not only walkie-talkies, not only pagers, it's these missile strikes, why? .. because they are primarily aimed at the upper management, here i want to show you this graphic, we cannot show it to the audience, but we can look at it ourselves, this is actually a graphic that

shows the composition of the leadership of hezbollah, and here you see, that hezbollah leader hassan nasrallah, he continues to lead the organization, but three of its heads, of its three main deputies, two ibrahim kiel - that was yesterday, and faat shuker, that was recently. actually destroyed from among their subordinates, of the five people who directly led the militants , four out of five have already been destroyed, which means that the leadership of hezbollah, as such, has actually been eliminated, there is no one under hasan nastral, of course, now new people can appear on these positions, but they will have to enter the course of the case for a certain time, and they can also be eliminated, and in any case you you understand that... when you have a kind of politburo of nine people, six of these nine people have already been destroyed, then it's not so much what

hezbollah is counting on then, they, didn't they guess what was going to happen such a result, well, it was, it was actually obvious, if hezbollah continues to escalate the situation, then at least part of the leadership, at least part of their infrastructure facilities will simply be destroyed, what are they for? counted with their actions, the first thing they count on is the fear that israel is not take courage, because you will be afraid of the answer, and you must understand that we are dealing with people who are quite fanatical, you must not think that hassan nasala lives in any real world at all, first of all, no one has ever seen him in the real world in his life, all these people, that ibrahim akil, that foad shukar, these are people who appeared in the real world, so they could be killed, when was the last time you saw hassan nasrallah alive, all of his speeches... these are video appearances , maybe it doesn't exist, well maybe it does, maybe it doesn't exist, but maybe it's such, you know, an image, yes, but he always

speaks, addresses people via video link, here we are talking about putin's white table, but putin already at least goes out to people, and hasan nasila never does this, that is, in theory he, even if he exists, he is there somewhere in some bunkers and is like his counterpart in gaza, yakinwar and his brother mohamed, these people exist, but no one ever. seen since the time when all this began, that is, they are hiding in some bunkers, and simply yachysenvar , unlike khatan, the settlement does not turn appeals to no one, therefore it is generally very difficult to understand in which world he lives. so, if you live all the time in complete isolation from the real world, not communicating with any people, communicating at the very least with this and that ibrahim makil and faad shukr, then you create your own picture of reality, which is beneficial to you, this is the first moment, the second point. in one way or another, you depend on the country that supports you. behind hasan nasrala, if he

is meeting with someone there, you can always see portraits of ayutala khaminy italikha me, and not some lebanese politicians. this is not a person who has state continuity with lebanon, that's what the horror is. this is a person who has state continuity with iran. because what is that? lebanon is a state that was largely founded to ensure the interaction of arabs, christians, sunnis, shiites and druze, and to distribute power in this complex ethno-confessional state between them, and the main state succession of lebanon is with the lebanese christians, so that they don't have any other state in the arab world besides lebanon, and the famous lebanese fathers the politicians we refer to when we talk about the history of lebanon are... christians, maronites, people who are in the church that obeys the vatican, it's basically a different remake of the greco-totholic church only on

lebanese soil. and hezbollah is an organization that lives by the idea of ​​the shiite world, that is, iran, shiites of iraq, shiites of lebanon, shiites of bahrain, it is a completely separate state structure, so to speak, supranational, supranational, which should control these states where shiites live. why, by the way, iran still has a claim on azerbaijan, and they have it all the time they show it like that, they are trying to somehow strengthen their... positions there, because in azerbaijan part of the population is azerbaijani shiites, there is a sunni population, and there are also a lot of shiites, here is the answer to your question, so if you are not interested in the state interests of lebanon, but are interested in the state interests of iran, then maybe you can sacrifice lebanese security lebanon as such in order to strike a bigger blow at israel, that is, for hassan , screw up, lebanon is just such a weapon, lebanon itself, with the help of which he wants to ...

attack israel , that's all? and if we speak about in this context about another international track, in particular about the united states of america, trump already spoke about it there, well, of course, that could be expected. trump said that muslims should not be allowed to enter the united states of america, in particular he said this in the context of his election campaign, hinting that when he ... becomes president, then accordingly, no one from gaza will ever come to the united states of america, or at least he will come, but he will be subjected to such a large-scale inspection. but by the way, one more thing, i just remembered, trump criticized the jews of the united states of america, and for the fact that they are allegedly going to vote for kamala harris, that is, this is a kind of, by the way, a very strange statement, i think, i'm actually also shocked by the fact that... he

says, well in general, we are shocked by many of donald trump's statements in the context of common sense and the introduction of technological election campaign management, there is a lot of wrong, so here are these two statements, how do you evaluate them and why does trump practically alienate an increasingly large category voters, what's in their heads, well, in particular in the context of this middle eastern conflict, you know? the point is the very statement that if i don't win the elections, the jews will be to blame, it reminds you of nothing when a person who calls himself a friend of israel says it, but if i don't win, the jews will be to blame, we have to blame this jews, may after that pogrom be arranged in general, after the defeat of donald trump, the jewish, well, you understand, from the point of view of political technology, behind these words there is such a harsh reality, the vast

majority of american jews. this is the electorate democratic party, why? because republicans have been associated for many years in a row with, let's say, the interest of this average american, let's call him, putin's favorite word there, americans of anglo-saxon origin, that 's it, and the jews, well, no matter what we think there, they are a religious minority and national but they are not in the majority of the 2%, as far as i understand in the united states, at least statistically, and like any minority, they vote for those political forces that support the interests of the minority, although we've already talked about the fact that basically after october 7, many american jews who have always been supporters of the democrats, they said: listen, we don't like how this democratic media is close to the democratic party media is covering this conflict, we don't like how many in the. .. the rank and file

of politicians, democrats, treats this situation, the same bernie sanders, we are watching, and we do not understand what we should do, we are in such a state of uncertainty, when trump tells them that you will be the one who should vote, of course he eats again i remind you about anti-semitism, because for any jew, and this is what the leaders of the jewish organizations of america said by the way, there is anti-semitism in such a statement, you specifically single us out and make us guilty, while you have... the number of voters not the jews on whom you depend, the jews will not bring you victory, because they are 2%, why are you singling us out, and because if i don't win, then israel will die, here again the slippery slope is very expensive, you see, many american jews support the state of israel, this is such a historical pact between the fundamental one of founders of the state of israel, david bengurion.