of several putin youth movements at once, alina bezverhnya, a native of melitopol. until february 24, she was very famous in the city, because she had been building a career as a singer since childhood. she studied vocals at the number one children's music school and participated in various international competitions. so, in particular, in 2020, the girl won the grand prize at the bukovel starfest international festival in the vocal art category. but the young performer easily exchanged international competitions for... a narrow perspective, where a performance at the stadium can remain the pinnacle of her career. when 25 in february 2022, melitopol was captured by the russian army, alina quickly understood the rules of the russian peace and became its activist and propagandist. i advise you to contact the ministry of youth policy, cool people work here, they will help you with promotion and an equally cool recording studio. she became the leader of propaganda for young people in the young south, and also

became the vice-president of the russian movement of children and youth, the first movement. on camera, the girl broadcasts success, which, according to her, is possible only in russia and only on the moscow stage. she is often invited to all kinds of concerts, to sing patriotic songs. ours is free. as a representative of the so-called new territories of russia, alina entered the moscow university of arts. no one is waiting for alina's return to ukraine, well, maybe our law enforcement agencies to imprison her for a long time. it was the program collaborators and i, olena kononenko. if you have information about the kremlin's progenitors, write to us at this e-mail address or simply on facebook, together we will send all the traitors to the trail by a russian ship. see you a week on

espresso. today in the verdict program with serhii rudenko. europe will help us, the head of the european commission, ursula funderlajen, brought to kyiv a promise to support the ukrainian energy industry during the difficult heating season. about what else. elk during negotiations with the president of ukraine. high level week. on the sidelines of the un general assembly, zelensky plans to present a plan for ukrainian victory to biden, garis and trump. could it actually be about inviting ukraine to nato already? this year? nuclear scarecrows of the kremlin. the speaker of the russian state duma, volodin, promises western countries to use more powerful weapons in

response to long-range strikes on russian territory, does putin have any paint left for new red lines? glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhii rudenko, i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health. in the next two hours, we will talk about ukraine, the world, the war, and our victory. in the first part of our program, together with diplomat and ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary of ukraine valery chaly we will sum up the results of the foreign policy week, and predict the next week, which will be full of the un general assembly, zelensky's visit to washington, the speech of the president of ukraine at the un general assembly and the presentation of the victory plan. during the second hour of our broadcast, starting at 9 p.m. on the 15th, we will have

a journalism club with the participation of maryna danylyuk yermalayeva and bohdan butkevich. let's talk about both domestic and foreign policy. however, before starting our big conversation today, i suggest watch a video of how fighters of the 72nd separate mechanized brigade strike at the enemy in august alone, the soldier managed to destroy 664 invaders, three tanks, 34... armored fighting vehicles, almost 300 drones and other equipment, watch this amazing video.

glory to the fighters of the 72nd separate mechanized brigade and death to the russian occupiers. friends, we conduct polls throughout our broadcast. we ask you this, do you take the kremlin's nuclear threats seriously? yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, or yes, or not, if you have a separate opinion, please leave it in the comments below this video, at the same time you can join our platforms where we have separate pages and

like our videos if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote by phone if you are serious about... accepting the kremlin's nuclear threats 0800 211381 no 0800 211382 all calls to these numbers are free vote at the end of the program we will tally up this vote. i want to introduce today's guest - this valery chaly, diplomat, extraordinary plenipotentiary ambassador of ukraine to the united states of america in 2015-19, chairman of the board of the ukrainian crisis media center, mr. valery. i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today, i congratulate you, glory to ukraine, to the heroes, glory, so there is already a definite date, mr. valery, for the presentation of ukraine's victory plan in the united states of america. on september 26, zelensky will meet with joseph biden in

washington. in addition, meetings of the ukrainian president with trump and haris are scheduled during the un general assembly. president. at a joint press conference with the president of the european commission, ursula fondelaien, zelenskyi said that the implementation of the plan to win ukraine depends primarily on the decisions of the president of the united states of america, joe biden. let's listen to what zelensky said. for the most part , the decision regarding the plan depends precisely on him, well, also on other allies, but there are points that depend precisely on. and the positive will and support of the united states, i very much hope that he supports this plan, the whole plan is designed for quick decisions by our partners, the plan is designed for solutions that should happen from october to

december, and not to delay these processes, we would very much like that, then we believe that the plan will work. mr. valery. and if suddenly the main bet that zelensky makes on joe biden does not work, and all the points that are in this victory plan, which so far only president zelensky and his entourage have seen, do not work, then what will happen, well, let's start from the fact that so many plans have already been written to us, chinese, chinese-brazilian, once even, let me remind you, there were african plans, well, i i'm not talking about friendly countries, but the german social democrats recently drew up a plan for us that we should give way there, even the americans recently came, high-level experts also spoke at the meetings, and however flexible you want to be, let

your president be flexible with regard to territorial issues, there may be some solutions, so there are a lot of plans, but i... i will tell you that although i, like you, have not seen the texts there, but it is clear, the idea is clear, it is necessary to finish this whole pile of plans and after all, give the ukrainian plan, so that they do not forget, and who is the main subject of opposition to russia anyway, because it seems that everyone around is solving the issue, you know, only our armed forces of ukraine are beating the crap out of them, yes, and they are dying for it, that's why i... really like it the desire to overturn this pyramid, and this is the assurance of the partners, let your president be more flexible there, some kind of compromise there, maybe in form, because volodymyr zelenskyi, he does not

quite speak diplomatically with his partners, this is his style, really not quite diplomatically, but in essence, i will say here that they are also not... because they are demanding from ukraine what is impossible, now regarding our initiatives, until i heard the time frame, i could seriously discuss these plans. now i think that it does not make sense, because then this is a completely different idea, this is some kind of victory plan, this, i think, can be described as such a ukrainian request for interaction, partnership, support, and an emphasis on what is right now there is a chance to change the course of this war, because you see... that everything is fine so far putin is still trying to implement the occupation goals, they

think that winter will be beaten on our energy infrastructure, that is, everyone understands that the peace summit is there, it will not lead to anything in terms of stopping the war, so this is a process, i would call it, it is closer to a diplomatic one, but the paradox is that, on my view is that diplomacy... was a way to avoid the war, it ended in the 22nd year exactly on the 24th of february, and the new stage of diplomacy, it has no chance yet, so far the key role is played by the armed forces of ukraine, the ukrainian people , and as long as this happens, as long as it happens, then diplomats, any, even the most talented, they can't do anything, so it's such a parallel process that is needed, of course, but... unfortunately, i look at it quite pessimistically from the point of

view of october-december, and here we will change something radically, i don't know , in which way, i would very much like our delegation to pay attention to the fact that the president of the usa, whether she or he, does not have any tools to help ukraine, neither lend-lease nor the budget, moreover , they somehow managed 6 billion. .. not to spend until october 1 of the fiscal year and now they are spinning, no know how and what to do next with this, that is, we do not have a vision for next year in terms of finances for aid, but we are talking about something about victory, that is, now the emphasis in america should be on getting for next year, so that putin knows , that there is us support in the amount of at least together with the allies, at least 120 billion dollars together, because putin invests 100, that is... well 120, it is still true, i said, it is not for victory, it is for , to

turn or change the course of the war, but let 's say, the goal of obtaining more distant weapons, well, that is, there are 300, 500 short-range missiles up to 100 km, but we do not have enough of them, so these are specific goals, i hope they will be achieved, all speeches are public, you will hear, it will be - let's say this, not that , that the plan will be some additional addition to the peace formula, and the statement that the ukrainian position is based on the same foundations, and then the conclusion that an invitation to nato is needed, so that now the invitation is political, and membership is already after the end of the war, i.e. in principle , we did not see anything new in the appendices to there will indeed be specifics of such theses... in three directions, but if we talk about meetings, well, they will be ordinary meetings,

only now the wrapper is like this, it sounds beautiful, and it is correct, probably, because, for example, the word victory plan now any western language is avoided, not that russian, chinese or brazilian, westerners understand, the word victory somehow gets stuck in them, in english, in german, in french, i am very surprised, somehow the word is forgotten for these languages. therefore i hope that at least this will change there will be one, we will speak the same language at the end of this year, but once again i emphasize the phrase that october-december and we are there, well, the plan for victory is about victory, so this can give people a false orientation, that's all, october, december, we will decide everything here, but it is necessary that the us partners first of all do their job, and if they don't do it, and they won't, because the request is... well, very ambitious, what then? and if our partners did not give us help, then what? logical conclusion, well, we will be alone

further? i am afraid that there is no such technology here, you know, well, this is conspiracy theory, but people cannot be driven into overestimation of expectations, well, by the way, about expectations and, in general, about a possible plan b in this case, if this plan for victory is not accepted , or this plan of victory is not fully accepted, or it will be partially accepted. zelensky was asked by a journalist whether there is a plan b, zelensky answered that ukraine lives in plan b and has never had a plan a, and that too, to be honest ... i don't like this answer very much i liked it, because i perceive it this way, that there should have been a plan before the great invasion of russia into ukraine, and the results of this plan would have been clear on the 24th, when the great war began, but well, this is such a rhetorical question and

reflections, but mr. serhiy, allow me, it is very important, there was a plan for the defense of the country. moreover, unlike the 90s or the beginning of the 2000s, russia was written there, because the war began in the 14th year, and the plans are well known to everyone, including everyone, and in the 22nd, all these there were plans, but how they are is another matter performed? yes, here, here is a big question for president zelenskyi's team, you mentioned promises, or, let's say, statements. regarding ukraine's accession to nato, lemond wrote that, apparently, referring to her sources, that one of the points of zelensky's victory plan is an invitation to nato, the publication claims that the president of ukraine hopes to receive an invitation from biden to the presidential elections in the united states of america, me, to be honest, these showers or

these references to some sources that tell us in the columns for... western the press about ukraine's victory plan is confusing, because as a citizen of ukraine, i know about this plan only from what zelensky says publicly, or what the western press writes, is it justified that this victory plan is not discussed or explained in the verkhovna rada the council of ukraine, for example, could hold a closed meeting, could... somehow explain to the ukrainians, because the ukrainians are the main driving force of this plan for victory and victory over russia, whether there is any expediency in this, any secrecy, any possible extras, which cannot be made public maybe some part could be shown to people and voiced, you are a crisis

media manager now and the head of the ukrainian crisis media center, what do you think? this communication, it, why it does not work, well, the explanation here can be the following, in principle, such documents are not disclosed about them at all, as a rule, something appears in the secret, some leaks, and yes, yes, so that publicly, this something reminds me of the announcement of a big counteroffensive, which, unfortunately, ended in failure for us, so - on the one hand, it is understandable up to a certain point, but if you already shared all this with at least us, i know it for sure, in advance. by the way, it happens in different ways, there are situations when it can and should not be done in advance, it is difficult for me to say here how it is correct, in my practice there have been such cases when it was not, let's say

, not distributed in advance, even among partners. .. led to our success, yes, they turned their noses up there a little, that how so, it was always different, i will tell you more, to be honest, everything that is translated is not in a closed office, not by the authors themselves in english, everything becomes an asset, well let's put it this way, it's good that our partners, i confirm this for sure, so if these people write in english themselves, and it doesn't work. beyond the framework of a few people who know the language themselves, then it can be kept somehow secret until he already proposes a plan, so this is not a plan, it is not a plan of any kind, it is just a vision now with certain directions, what are the needs, what are the needs so that, well, this is normal

work, it was always there, it's just packed before the visit in such a package, as usually theses are. for discussion with by the president of the usa, that is, now it is issued in a certain non-paper so-called, that is, more of a document. now, should it be discussed in ukraine? if, well, first of all, the president said that the best forces and experts of ukraine participated in the preparation of this plan, well, who else should be involved, the best participated, that's all, but it turned out that the americans talked about what they had already received. i had to somehow replace this situation there, to tell the spokesperson that they had seen the elements of the plan, but no, of course they already said that there is no need to fool everyone, that is, they received and received, and in this situation the president is uncomfortable. i already went to another country to visit her, and well, my own citizens don’t know anything at all, that’s why you said correctly, it would be logical, in such conditions, even in

the parliament, you can’t keep a lot of secrets there, even among those who are potential transmitters of information, because it has already gone to other directions, so they are also divided there, exactly like that, so it was possible to really talk in the parliament, but in general terms, not without talking about the annexes , the details, the request for armaments and so on, but they did not do that, they replaced it with a meeting, as far as i understand, the head of the office with a group of people, it was closed, when there was a meeting there yesterday, and they talked like that, was there anything interesting, people really did, i understand, there were happy faces watching, that's all, but you know, i was in this club at the time of discussions, it's interesting to... say, exchange, but it's too late now, how can i offer something, it will be too late, so i think that if it was a serious plan

victory, his preparation, the discussion was completely different, because if they contained elements that require the decisions of the parliament, the corresponding decisions of the government, well, then there would be all these meetings, and this is rather the form of registration. certain public initiatives, which we will hear very quickly, it will all be announced publicly, just as a rule, why so? well, we see that the president of ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyi, unlike his predecessors, likes to be the first to give exclusives to foreign media, well, for some reason it’s more comfortable, i don’t know why it’s more comfortable for him, and foreigners, by the way, there are nuances, because with foreigners, certain terms of interviews are also agreed... which ukrainian journalists do not always accept, because they are also part of this, this process here in ukraine, we have our own rules, so, that's why it's

only from in order to use the un platform, the meeting in washington for the first such message, you remember, for example, the peace formula, it was also voiced, well, in this form in the 20th, not in ukraine, yes, well, that is, by and large nothing here is catastrophic... there is nothing, it is more important that all this was done so that these things would come to fruition, and not so that later, when they rushed to look for money for the second half of the year for the army, and there was none, because for some reason everyone was waiting for peace already in the summer, such things should not be in plans, and the last thing, i already talked about it, i don’t want to repeat myself, but i’ll say it so briefly, if you don’t have a strategy, and we don’t have a vision of one, there is... a three-way strategy, a strategy of balances, balancing with russia, there is , waiting for changes in russia, different strategies, if you don't know which strategy is the main one now, then what are your plans

you can't write realistic ones, it is claimed, and you can't write out scenarios, so the strategy must be adopted, well, the correction must be made in today's conditions, taking into account the forces, resources, means, external factors, realities. the same ukrainian missiles, their number, what we receive from partners, the availability of european funding in the face of difficulties in the usa, all this, i am concerned that there is a mood among many that somehow putin will agree to end the war, i do not i understand where they got these from arguments, i don't have any signal yet that russia will leave us alone, at least in the winter, it won't and it will continue, unfortunately. you already mentioned, mr. valery, about the situation with these $6 billion of remaining funds for

military support to ukraine, the representative of the pentagon, sabrina singh, said that the department of defense of the united states of america is working with the congress to ensure the extension of the term of the presidential authority to allocate here these are 6 billion dollars. already after the financial year is over, let's hear what she had to say. we are committed to using every dollar and every cent within this mandate. but the problem is also that we cannot provide aid packages without having the necessary weapons in our warehouses. that's something we 're working on as well, and i'll remind you that for six months, we didn't have additional funding. could not replenish our warehouses. that's why we need congress to expand these powers so we can continue to do so provide weapons packages. sir valeriu,

given that the united states of america has entered the presidential campaign, and it is clear that now each of the candidates will play the way that is more convenient for him and the way that is more profitable for him in the current situation, can we expect that congress will expand these authority, which sabrina sink says, regarding the use of this remaining $ 6 billion. ms. singh was answering. to a question by ostap yarysh, a voa journalist in washington, who asked a very direct and precise question, even with proposal, how will it be decided, without a congress at all, that is, the answer was, she did not convince me of this answer at all, well, i will start with the fact that zabrinag does not know these nuances due to the nature of her activity, she is still

engaged. another profession, so when they wrote the thesis to her, she said: in fact, the truth is that despite all the nuances of the presence of weapons, the approach was such that 6 billion was not used until october 1, the congress here is neurotic people, auditors, accountants and still counted a few billion, that is, i think their strategy is wrong now, it can was basic, correct at first for... she was wrong, they understand that anything can happen, there can be other directions, money will have to be spent, weapons will have to be had, they are pushing in such a way that if they exhaust putin, yes, on him, on him - show him every time that there are still resources, but resources are now the key word that is actually being discussed, there is still next year, somehow everyone understands, but what he is doing in the 26th year , no one understands, and not even putin understands what he is doing

in the 26th. this year, there is a paradox in this, that it is possible just at the stage when ukraine will get chances, just give up, give up ukraine, to be honest, in this situation, so, well, i think it's good that journalists are asking direct questions, but i would really like these direct questions to partners were not asked by the president, he did not impersonate, regardless of his surname, the president of ukraine, there is no need to impersonate, i am different... methods of work, this is a task, such difficult and not very pleasant questions are decided by national security advisers, advisers , well, we have a foreign affairs adviser politicians, that is, i don't know why all this, and what we talked about in the first part, all the applause here or there, attention, and that's all this current such a working, complex mechanism, everything hangs only on the first

person, this it is necessary to ... roll down and tell our partners: i have a very simple solution, well listen, don't feed us these stories about your complex mechanism, i will tell you how complicated it all is for us, so what, we have chosen a solution, they said that the package was allocated, yes, by the way, and ukraine also took part in it participation, she involved her friends, and the congress took part, what right does a person now have to go out and speak, but we did not use this money, yes, but the congress. everyone, is this your joint decision, this is what i want to ask, that is, now i think that the congress should press here without names, why did this happen, why there, where in that decision, where was the victory plan, the allocation of funds, why was there not a corresponding, even public report, why these funds are being used in this way, why ukraine was not given concentrated weapons this year, logistics are difficult, weapons are not always available.