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part of the verdict program is live on tv, my name is serhiy rudenko, today is the traditional friday journalist club at espresso, and today we will talk about the following: volodymyr zelenskyi is 100% ready, he will present his victory plan to us president joe biden next week, what surprises can await ukrainians when they... the content of zelenskyi's plan will also be announced. a new stage of decolonization. hundreds of settlements received new names without imperial narratives. but there are exceptions. how the parliament became the weakest link in the process of toponymy purification of ukraine. servants flee abroad. people's deputy andrii odarchenko, accused of the attempt bribery of management. the recovery agency

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we would already be horrified somewhere, thanks, bohdan, well , i agree, and i think that, after all, considering that for putin, the main task , which you... it is worth it just to stay alive, that is, to stay in power, he understands very well that the use of nuclear weapons will greatly accelerate his physical death, but i would say yes, i completely agree with you, and i think that these all nuclear scares, in principle, they are designed more for the western audience, not even for western politicians, and to the domestic audience, but definitely not to the ukrainian audience, because it seems that in 10 years of war and two... and a half years of the great russian invasion of ukraine, they have already tested almost all weapons here, well, except for nuclear ones, so it seems to me , that our audience also does not take it seriously, well, at least in the first part of our program , the results were 37% to 63, that is, a third of

the tv viewers took the kremlin's nuclear threats seriously, 2/3 no, well, but less than that on the 26th. the president will be in washington in september to present the plan for the victory of ukraine, and this plan for the victory of ukraine has already been fully prepared, we saw this information, this information support, that there is 90%, then 100%, that there is this plan for victory, let's listen to what zelensky says as a result. and today we can already say that our victory plan has already been fully prepared, all points, all key accents, the necessary annexes with details to the plan have been determined, everything has been worked out. the most important thing now is the determination to implement. there is and cannot be any

alternative to peace, no freezing of war, or any other manipulations that will simply move russian aggression to another stage. bohdan, is it enough that the ukrainian authorities communicated about the victory plan, because the western audience learned about this plan from various international publications, which were fed parts of this victory plan, in the ukrainian press there were only statements by president zelensky, but nothing more. well, you know, to be honest, first of all i would be interested not even in the opinion of the western audience, but... in general , the ukrainian one, because i would like to ask all of us, and you, do we know anything about this victory plan? shame to say, we have such a body called the verkhovna rada, i understand, of course, so that everyone already forgets that this is a parliament in general, and we have a type of parliamentary-presidential republic, among the deputies of this so-called

parliament, someone is aware of this plan victory, what is written in it and so on, i.e. look, volodymyr zelenskyi, to be honest , it pisses me off that this person... for some reason thinks that if he became the president, it gives him the right to decide something without asking nobody, in such serious matters. unfortunately, we see, i believe, that there is no plan for victory. there is, let's say, a plan for some hotels, which volodymyr oleksandrovich will most likely not get 100%, after which he will start negotiating with shouts that you see, the damned west is pouring, because excuse me when i see that reuters reported yesterday, for example about the fact that it turns out that ukraine has already agreed to the supply of azerbaijani gas from our territory since the beginning of the 25th year, we understand that this is not about azerbaijani physical gas, but about russian, to put it mildly, when i saw the ukrainian... authorities sign some agreements, for example, on the supply of sanctioned

russian oil through ukrainian territory for the hungarians, it's just that the hungarians will now formally purchase it at the border with belarus, where the southern branch of the druzhba oil pipeline enters to our territory, and you think so, where is the victory plan, what does it consist of, this victory plan has already begun, or when the whole politician is already good enough that timur is leading these negotiations on behalf of zelenskyi with the russians mindich, unknown character, business. a partner of kolomoisky at one time, a person who, uh, how to say, was at one time a chain between the 95th quarter and kolomoisky, and now i understand that he is already finally working with volodymyr oleksandrovich, you see, that's why i'm just curious, and the most important thing is not even this, what the hell kind of victory plan can there be, what new can we hear in this victory plan, give us a nuclear bomb, we 'll scurry around moscow or something, i just don't understand what's new, give us atacoms or stormshadow to beat on russian airfields, well yes, i understand, but to think... that this is a victory plan, well somehow it would be quite strange to me, to demand that the sanctions be more,

well, that is, see what i'm getting at, i don't expect anything new for the simple reason, that nothing new will happen almost soon, like three years of war, it is difficult, in fact, unrealistic, so i will say frankly, everything that volodymyr zelensky does, unfortunately, is about appearing, not being, and i really do not like the trends that are happening now around all these movements, so i 'll be honest, i'm not just skeptical upset, i'm just... very upset about what this is all about and what's going to happen next because , sorry, the russian gas story, which is unfolding right before our eyes now , is so brazen that even the prime minister shmygal says that i do not have a relationship with the ministry before the negotiations, then who does, tell me who, well, the president’s office is clear, so you know, it is very interesting to go to america to tell that we will now bring a plan for victory, prepare for 100%, and we will win tomorrow, and with the other hand... it would be fine prisoners to negotiate, but to build again the same tangles on which ukraine

burned so many times in its history, well, i don't know what it can be compared to, so sorry, i don't know what the victory plan is, but i know that if there is andryusha irmak is around, then we have to be very careful with such plans, that's all, i think that in this situation, we should probably say that the plan for victory is without the participants of the war themselves. against russia, no, well, it is impossible to simply win this victory, and even more so when people who are part of a large people's war of ukraine against russia, are not initiated into this victory plan, well, many questions arise, and probably the main question is how this victory plan will be implemented without the ukrainians, that is, if they are not told anything, and zelensky says about... that what's the most important thing for the united states of america to do its job, well, the question is,

wait, the united states of america will do this job, but the united states of america is obviously not saying that ukraine should defeat russia, but they are saying that ukraine should not lose, the question is so, wait, how can ukraine win, and will it be clear to joseph biden, marino, well... let's start with the fact that not the american military, but rather our military, those people who were mobilized into the ranks of the armed forces forces of ukraine will maintain the gigantic front line that we currently have with the russian federation, this is one, secondly, you know, i am always surprised by the fantastic speed with which zelenskyi and his managers write all these peaceful plans for victory, we remember we know that just last week antony came to... kyiv blinken, david lemia, the head of the british foreign office, and the head of the pentagon, lloyd

austin, and from what we read in the western press, they really asked zelensky if he had any realistic plan for victory, because we, well, we understand that the previous peace formula, where zelenskyi promised barbecues already in the christmas tree, apparently it is already unrealistic and irrelevant at the moment, and now let's... count in just one week , zelenskyi tells us in the evening segments how he wrote a new victory plan, with appendices, and with information, and... literally the day before yesterday he said that our plan is 90% ready, and now it is 100% ready, that is, excuse me, i write some script or article more carefully, so that it looks conscious and interesting, than zelensky and his team are writing peace plans for ukraine, and you know,

pieces of these peace plans have already begun to appear in the western press, and here, for example, i understand that the president's office is very much with... ryobke in the edition of the build, they traditionally they have a disclaimer that pain is such a tabloid publication, this zhoktush publication, you don’t have to believe it, it’s all fakes, this, all the authors who write like this, it’s pure russian ipso, but well, let’s remind ourselves that the previous plans for a full-scale invasion of the russian federation were just merged into the bilt publication, so i don’t i will be surprised if a part of what he promises... that we will freeze the front line here, combat operations in certain areas of the front, this is part of the type of peace plan that is being actively promoted now, but again, to me, as a representative of the ukrainian society, an active representative, would like very much to hear, and what do we include in the wording of the cessation of hostilities on certain areas

of the front, what does this mean, we are demining there, we are following the scenario of 2020-2021. well, everyone remembers how they demined gold in our country, how volodymyr zelenskyi personally went to the ukrainian military stationed there, convinced them that he was not a log, that he knew better that he was the supreme commander, how he addressed the things to our civilian residents who lived in that area, that there is nothing wrong, don't worry, on the contrary, it will be cool that we everything was demined, people will not die, and now you look back at zelenskyi's old promises to demine everything, to decide where... to draw up a preliminary peace plan with russia through diplomatic means, and we understand what it turned into, that's why we wanted to talk about all these peace plans, and if zelensky himself is afraid, then look, he has new promising communication advisers there, he appointed such an adviser there, who in 2010 advised, by the way , to ukrainians, to the ukrainian authorities, why it is worth

disbanding the armed forces of ukraine, then it is obvious therefore, the councilor should not go to goodwine... to buy alcohol, by the way, our colleagues often see him there, but to go out and talk a little, but what kind of peace plan did bankova prepare for us, so that society would prepare and society would understand, and what what awaits us next with this supreme commander who wants, let's say, the preservation of a certain territory under the control of ukraine, to pass it off as a comprehensive victory, a fantastic victory. and i wonder how he justifies the fact that a huge part of our territories and people are now under occupation. i am already silent about the losses we received after the full-scale formation. this is not yet, as i understand it, in the victory plan, but zelensky was asked about what will happen if this victory plan is not accepted in washington, and whether you have a plan

b, after this plan a. he said about the fact that ukraine ... lives in plan b, never had a plan, but about winning the war with russia, let's listen to what he said, the journalist asked one question and said, what will happen if president biden does not support your plan , is there you have a plan b, i answered frankly and absolutely, and we are already in plan b, we live in it and fight, we never had a, because plan a was to prevent full-scale... plan a was to strengthen ukraine with weapons and to pre-emptively sanction the russian federation, which it feared, even the thought of a full-scale invasion. bohdan, zelenskyi says that ukraine has never had a plan a, although

there were plans to protect the country from a full-scale invasion and they had not been formed yet. the beginning of the great war and obviously these plans were there, or if this plan had not been there, probably, well, the russians would have taken over the ukrainian state much faster, maybe zelenskyi did not have plan a, but the military had plan a, or how to perceive zelenskyi’s statement that we are already living in plan b, and they say plan a - this is what our allies did not fulfill, as i understand it, you know, i... maybe it is not very professional from a journalistic point of view, but i listen less and less to what volodymyr zelensky says, because i have less and less, well, more and more accurate impression that he is says different things that contradict each other, and you know, it's not even the story that, for example, there is some kind of system, there he says one thing for some, and another for others, i won't speculate about the adequacy of this person

or inadequacy, but well, to be honest, what about coming up with something during the war to blurt out something like, you don't have plan a, plan b, well , you understand, i'm saying, in principle, this person never had any plans, he's a man of the moment, he's a hype man, this is a person of some instant decisions. there are some instant ones hyped people there, he has been in power for five years in principle and they, by the way , once admitted even there that we don't have any strategy more than a month ahead, i think something is the same story now, although now in they already have a certain plan, i think i have already said what it consists of, he stated a lot there, pay attention this week, he said there that we are planning to go there already in october-december to a peaceful peace summit that everything, and now he has to finish everything, and here they say, if the west will do everything in these... there three months, then that means there will be mirzh friendship chewing gum, that is, they usually have some kind of swagger, uh, as for whether he had a plan, well, i have already thought about it many times, my point of view is that

this person until the last seconds before the start of a large-scale invasion really did not believe that it would be an invasion, i am sure that there was a person named irmak nearby who assured him of this, i do not know whether because he himself is a russian agent of influence or because he just played a little in his larochnichev games. and did not realize that he if now it is not larochniks, but bandits, and bandits can strike first, it is about the russians, about the chekist bandits, i don’t know, let the investigation be sorted out later, i hope when these characters cease to be in power, but zelensky’s behavior, i repeat, it really shows that this person did not believe that there would be a war, he did not give the opportunity to properly prepare for it until the last second, i will just remind you that in the book once zelensky’s beloved journalist simon schuster, in black and white written, and not only there was a lot there. it is written that the country's defense plans, which were developed including by valery zaluzhnyi, were not shown to zelensky until the last second and were not shown even to the americans, because they were afraid that the americans, well, due to the fact that they are still

more systematic people, they will show him to the supreme commander-in-chief, and if he is shown to the supreme commander-in-chief, he will completely stop everything, you see, that 's it, that's why i have a clear impression that this man never had any plan, he constantly works with the planning horizon for a couple of two or three weeks, these are very sacramental, that's why when the whole person... starts talking about some plans, i get very, very scared, because not on an intellectual level, but most importantly even on the level of just this of a person in terms of the possibility of delegating some powers to someone, these people are simply pathologically incapable of normal system management, nor of a managerial approach of any kind, nor, in principle, of any kind of strategizing, that ’s a shock, you understand, so do they have any plans, i think that they have everything in principle, no, well, let's wink here, we'll do it there, we've already decided this one there, we'll normally hum there, there...

plans a, b, c, these are all the topics that sound , and obviously, in this situation, zelenskyi really could not have known that there was a plan, and there were other plans in the armed forces of ukraine and not only in the armed forces of ukraine, that people were preparing for war, and bohdan correctly says that zelenskyi must not have believed that there would be a war, because i remember how four hours before the start of the great war at one o'clock in the morning zelensky spoke. addressed the russians in russian and said that we hope that we will not be there, you will not be there, we are brotherly peoples, that this madness will not

happen after all, i think that zelensky, as a person who was brought up in the russian show- business, because in the quarter he grew up from russian show business, that he did not even fully realize that russia could leave and did not believe that russia could go to war, that those people who clapped his hands over there were woodmurts , buryatia... and in various regions of ukraine, that they will come to kill ukrainians, that you are here can you tell me about these plans that zelensky is talking about? you rightly mentioned these statements of zelenskyi about the russians, i will remind you that on february 19 he had a speech in munich at the security conference, you can cut into quotes every munich security conference with participation. zelensky, because at one, by the way, in the 20th year, he said that i don’t have time to think strategically, when a journalist asked if you have any strategies regarding the fact that

russia... the ska federation is preparing attacks there yet in in 2020, he was asked, and just a few days before the full-scale invasion, he told in munich that the russians are also people, and i do not believe that they will go to war against us. i am sure that zelensky hoped to the last that if russians laughed at his tv series "matchmakers", if russians once went there to watch the movie "love in the big garden" with the participation of volodymyr zelensky. then they will refuse to conquer ukraine, but in reality this is not the case, you can watch the series matchmakers on a tablet, and kill and torture ukrainians with the other hand women who got into the occupation, unfortunately, as time shows, zelensky's firmware has not changed, and although in 2022 he tried to pull on cherchel's skin, his insides still came out now, which still

strengthens him very much. communication with andrii yarmak. when he declares that the country did not have a plan a, and we live in a plan b, zelensky completely distorts reality, distorts reality, distorts what is already known from western intelligence, all these articles of the foreign press, there were quite thorough investigations, who how he prepared for the war, and we must pay tribute to the two ukrainian commanders-in-chief, zaluzhny. and i can also say that kyrylo budanov also prepared much better than volodymyr zelenskyi, but you know, our supreme commander constantly measures the ratings of top-level ukrainian military personnel, and therefore he does not listen to them. if you could notice, they are now trying to find the culprit who did not win this plan a and plan b, and because of whom, by the way, our western

allies. they don't give enough weapons, here maryana bezogla already wrote a post about that she will now talk in english about what kind of drunks and alcoholics we have in the ukrainian army, there is a very interesting quote in that post that, however, precisely because we have such a bad military command, the west does not give us necessary weapons, this is an absolute lie and a shift in emphasis, because i read a lot of foreign press. it is also such, who does not read it there, and there is always such a red thread that there is distrust of the ukrainian government, distrust of the banking system, distrust of these powerful managers, the reluctance of these managers to make reforms that will at least somehow seriously reduce ukrainian corruption, precisely in the sphere of security and defense, precisely what contributes

to the fact that very often our westerners. the allies do not trust zelenskyi and are somehow reluctant to hand over their own developments, but we see that there is an effort to find the culprit, and the culprit of volodymyr zelenskyi is always one, it is the armed forces of ukraine. of course, you already mentioned budanov, there are rumors now that budanov seems to want to be removed from the post of head of the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense, and it is related to personnel changes. who were at the very heart of it, budanov's two deputies were dismissed without agreement, apparently without agreement, the general and budanov want to be transferred somewhere to another position, well , there are such rumors, i don't know how true they are, let's see how events will develop, well and in the meantime, friends, i remind you that we are working live and i remind you that we are conducting a survey before the broadcast, we are asking you about this, do you take it

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