to beat, because firstly, any effect of surprise was lost, and secondly, we well understand that they also need to have a certain reserve, i am talking about this, if there are no such reserves, that is, what was said back then, it was relatively speaking, illogical, and they just did it in a propaganda way, ugh, so the situation is the same in russia, of course you and i cannot know for sure what broke out there, but judging by the effect in toropka, in this trinity, uh, uh, and now... in this in october, it's already three warehouses and the airport in the kaluga region, these are all big losses, now they will sit down, accountants, not putin, and count how much there was, what is left, it is obvious that they may still have enough arsenal, but we need to understand here first the first thing, such things, which means enough, here they are the entire supply of their missiles that they had in their warehouses, well, that is... bast missiles, they had already

developed them in the first years of the war, uh, so now they are using them these ballistic missiles that they produce, this requires time, for a massive attack it takes a few months, so they can add to these missiles, it's like a dinner menu, foreign-made missiles that don't necessarily have to hit the target, if we're talking about north korean missiles, but they have to paralyze the air defense system. well, in this situation, as you understand, when there are no north korean missiles, then there is nothing to paralyze, so we will have to look for new stocks, so how many of these iranian missiles are there, whether they actually exist, in what quantity, we do not know, so , this already reduces their capabilities, well, a plus, if anything drones of some kind are also destroyed, that's the whole logic, this is the first such moment that i would like to tell you about, andriy, and the second is a signal for... if it is possible to use

drones to deliver such a blow to the russian military potential, then imagine , what can be done with the help of missiles, and well, russia can plan its own war, a war at least until 2045, but it is necessary to fight with something, this, again, is not a plan, but i always try to explain, war is not a plan , are opportunities, can be planned, and opportunities may not meet, and more one... important point in this situation is that even if we imagine that they have a large number of weapons in the far east in siberia, that is, at this distance of 300 km, it still takes time, to rebase all this safely, to rebase so that it doesn't get hit, you understand that when a train with missiles and ammunition comes from vladivostok, he doesn't buy a ticket, by the way, ukrainians are special too.

no more train tickets are bought, so you can't imagine what it's like, it's a long way for missiles, so in this regard, of course , they have to say that this is really such a serious story, and in any case it slows down the process, so we will now see how, but even, even in the temporal dimension, strikes on the infrastructure in the conditional november and in conditional march - these are different blows, because in march you hit the... bad, they fixed it, something was replaced there, it's summer, it's summer, if you turn off the lights or something else, it's a small tragedy for the population, but in winter - this is another story, they specifically want to create such a winter, you understand, not even so that ukraine would capitulate there, but in order to create a demographic collapse, but they have two goals of a demographic collapse. the first

demographic crisis in europe is a migrant crisis, because europeans can accept as many refugees from ukraine as they want, well, it’s not quite true, they can, but the issue of social dissatisfaction is already there, and if you add a few million more people to it, you can get at least a political effect , not that people will go out on the streets and shout, we want ukrainian migrants to be hanged as it was with migrants from the middle east, no, they... will vote for an alternative for germany or for sarov, and this is what moscow pursues as a strategic task, that is, the coming to power in europe of pro-russian forces, this is , and the second is that there are fewer people here. i always talk about the fact that this is a demographic war, first of all, we have many people, and you know this, this soviet way of thinking, by and large, is fixated on the territory, that is... war, as

a rule, is perceived as exclusion, as war is not for independence and freedom, and for the restoration of territorial integrity, for the triumph of international law. i support this approach as well, but the restoration between the territories of international law must be accompanied by the preservation of the population, so yesterday was another anniversary of the second karabakh war, karabakh, azerbaijan liberated a huge part of its sovereign territory from vermen control, and the people there appeared in this territory, it is empty, in fact, of course, maybe even this very district of karabakh, there is shusha, stepanaker, where there were cities. with infrastructure, some people may settle there, but in general it is just an empty territory, but again, azerbaijan did not lose anything from this, because it has as many people as there were, so many remained in the territory where they lived, and ukraine, you understand, here we are, as the russians think, we

are waging a war, we cannot capture them all, but we can simply clear their own territory of them, well, after the war there will not be 40 million of them, but 15. well, already victory, already victory, even if we have to accept the fact of ukraine's sovereignty, even if we have to agree with the fact that ukraine will join the european union and nato, even under these conditions, the later we agree, the more, the more difficult, i would say, the standard of living we will make for them here, the less they will be here, well mr. vitaly, you mentioned the conditional november, so we will go. by november , we understand that these could be strikes on the energy infrastructure, and it is clear that it could be october, it could be november, it could be december, when there will be enough missiles, and it is clear that they are already preparing, i.e. even according to the data of all those monitoring

various resources, we see that russia has been actively preparing for the last two weeks, at least two weeks have been delivering missiles, all this is recorded, including with the help of satellite images, even today. there was an interesting statement, even two statements: the first statement was from the prominent, current minister of foreign affairs mr. sybiga, he stated that russia is preparing to strike the energy infrastructure, but i want to note here that we are talking about objects that are in conditional complex of nuclear power plants, i.e., to explain to the audience so briefly, there is a nuclear... the station, it is clear that russia is unlikely to strike at the station itself, but we still need to understand that next to these stations there are these distribution energy facilities entities, they, they have already done this, and now mr. sebiga is declaring that russia is going to strike at these distribution

capacities, and after that there was another statement, this is a statement from the office of the president of ukraine, and in fact, in this statement, it is similar ... only in a more dramatic tone it was said that in the event, in the event that there is such an impact and in the event that there is any damage, as far as i understand, to nuclear power plants, then there may be radiation, which will also spread to countries of the european union. here are these two statements, they came out today, and they refer to ukrainian intelligence. this means that such strikes... are, in fact, already somewhere on the way, that is, ukraine in this way, as far as i understand, is trying to preempt such a process, i do not i know how much we can prejudge such a process, because the russians are always trying to find a weak point, you are absolutely right that they are not going to hit nuclear power plants, not

that they are not going to, i don't think they can, because what can be done there realistically, but if you hit the distribution stations, they have already seen it once. you basically force the nuclear power plant to stop, i don't know what the radiation threat is and i don't know if we need to scare europe all the time, but it will mean that we have the key to of nuclear energy is unexpected, because many people said, well, what can the russians do to us, they still can't stop our nuclear plants, if they can't take them under control, like zaporizhzhya nuclear power plant, then these nuclear plants will produce so much energy, how much we need for the population and industry in winter, they will not freeze us. well, it turned out that there is this achilles heel, and you have to think about it, these are distribution stations, if you disable the distribution station, it cannot take energy from the nuclear stations, the nuclear power plant is forced to shut down its reactors because it produces more energy than it can put on the market, well,

that's the reality, well, i don't know, listen , i say again, i don't want us to talk in dramatic terms, we know the goals of russia, the goal of russia, as i listed in this program... already from the point of view of its demographic war with ukraine, these are logical goals for the aggressor, for our allies it is also absolutely. it is clear, it means that it is necessary to take certain measures to protect these objects, if it is possible, maybe, here these statements are, in fact , a prerequisite for forcing our allies to step up measures, of course, these are additional air defense systems, andriy sebiga appeals to the magat, but the magat can do nothing, we no longer have a system of international law in which some an international organization influences a sovereign government, well, it's just necessary too. to realize that we can pretend that it is so, but it is not so, and in this situation, as

you understand, all that remains is to think that we are warned about the threat, you see, we have to warn about the threat, we have to warn ourselves, the threat in order to survive this winter, and by the way, the next one, this may not be the first winter of such a war, but relatively speaking, this is not the first, it is the third, or maybe to be fourth and fifth, well, you just have to prepare to survive winter after winter with the population in our country. and not beyond its borders, that's it. yes, here i absolutely agree with you, and of course, you need to speak for people, you need to explain, you don’t need, as they say, to wash your eyes, but to say frankly that yes, winter can really be difficult, and we really have to prepare, each of us has to prepare for the fact that from the conditional november, well, we will have to somehow, somehow survive these few like... months, we have a short break, literally for a few

minutes, and we will return with new and no less interesting topics, do not switch. we are coming back, the live broadcast, the saturday

political club, and then we have new topics, and probably no less interesting, no less resonant, and no less resonant, first of all, zelensky will be in the united states of america next week, there he will present plan victory, which is already being written about by absolutely all western media... today reuters, bloomberg, everyone is writing, everyone is talking, in particular there even some positions have already been made public, in particular it involves the alleged invitation of ukraine to nato and the european union, the supply of weapons to a large number, we are also talking about economic support for our country, at the same time zelenskyi, the president of ukraine declares that the second peace summit should put an end to... the war, at the same time zelenskyi, we remind you once again, will present this plan

biden, harris and trump next week, and zelensky in particular also declares that this plan is 90% ready. mr. vitaly, there is another plan, a plan for changes with russia, well, we will get to that as well, but actually this is the plan, which is at least officially. the ukrainian authorities declare, this plan, as far as it is viable at all, there are points there that, well, in my opinion, appear to be impossible to implement in the near future, at least in the near future, and it is clear that this plan, as far as it is viable, considering to the fact that russia is unlikely to agree, at least to a few of his points, why is zelensky doing it and what... should we really expect from all this, well, look, there are three plans, one is prepared, two thirds

are being prepared, zelensky's peace formula , zelenskyi's victory plan and zelenskyi's plan for transition with russia, and the presence of one document in principle contradicts the presence of the other two, well, in general, i apologize, we see that, in principle, a lot of statements of the ukrainian authorities contradict each day, you know, in the morning we read about peace, for the whole... we read about the fact that we are not going to make any concessions, the next morning we read about the fact that we still have to sit down at the negotiating table? well, it is on the one hand, on the other hand, if we will not call it plans. and let's say so, with political intentions, then everything will fall into place. i think that you and i have become victims of the witness. president zelenskyi is thinking in terms of these plans, i would say, this plan of information measures. ugh. this is the impression that there is a plan of information measures in the office of the president, and they just work according to this plan, and it should have points of different plans. what if

you and i called zelenskyi's peace formula simply ukraine's idea of ​​a just peace? ukrainian society's idea of ​​a just measure is already absolutely clearly laid out there, absolutely precisely, as in a sociological report, by the way, which corresponds to a true understanding of how to restore international law, how to protect sovereignty, there is no point of this plan, this formula of peace that cannot be disputed , now in the development of this directives are created, essentially to zelenskyi's visit to the united states, well, we keep asking the president, well, you have a formula for peace, but... how do you want to implement it in general, because none of these points correspond to real possibilities, you you discuss, delegations come, they shake your hand, you take pictures with everyone and, well, he answers and, and this is the plan that we should be accepted into nato, the plan, maybe we don't know what

is really there, the plan that there should be more serious sanctions against russia, the plan should be... secondary sanctions against the countries of the global the south, which cooperates with russia and so on and so on, plan, plan, well, this is the answer to the question of how you want to implement the peace formula, now you can ask another question, how you want to implement these points, but this is that what zelensky offers to the allies, now the next document is coming, and if all this is really successful, we need to sit down with russia at the negotiating table, well, if all these... the victory plan is approved, then we will have to negotiate peace with russia, here we have the following positions regarding these agreements about peace, everything is absolutely logical, it just has no relation to reality, but that's another matter, but on the other hand, maybe the president's office is thinking not so much about reality, but about the need to keep people in

a state of expectation of a quick end to the war. i don't know how rational it is, i am all the time. i say that it seems to me that people should plan their lives, including service in the armed forces, including work, including staying or not staying in ukraine, based on the perspective of a long war, if you say to yourself, without any government statements, the conflict has been going on for 10 years, that means my country has been in a conflict for 10 years, all 10 years, with more or less intensity, military actions have continued, so there is a probability that another 10 years will be absolutely calm. it could go on: high-intensity war, low-intensity war, missile strikes, environmental disasters, deprivation of electricity, bods, fuel, all these will be part of my life. if i say so myself, then i understand, i really will have to someday it is real to be militarily obligated there, to pay higher taxes, because the state will be forced to reorganize on a military basis, and

its whole essence will be precisely that it will be engaged in defense, and whoever will be in the rear. to pay most of the money he earns to support the army, and how else does he want to survive, plus infrastructure, plus that, please, to agree to a certain limitation of the rights and freedoms of the citizen for many years, what was important for the ukrainian state, there, its democracy from the electoral point of view will become part of our history from 1991 to 2022, it's all such a reality, well reality, no, let's think that... everything will end in december, we'll have one summit, the second, the third, then the question arises, if everything ends in december , maybe you just have to wait until december, for someone to wait at home, why do you need to take up arms, if there will be peace in december anyway, for someone to wait abroad,

why return here while the war is on, it is better to return to a peaceful country, and so on for a month, for month in december, i immediately believe that it will end in march, in march i prevent that will end in october of the next cancer year, and so i am already a pensioner, and it does not end and does not end, i remember andriy a beautiful phrase from one of the novels of mario vargas liosa, who mentioned his relative on behalf of his hero. who died in peru, and he said: well, by and large , my dead man had an absolutely fantastic life, he lived his whole life waiting for... change and he never saw it, but he kept waiting for change to come will take place, so you don't have to live your life waiting for changes - that's it

the most fruitless life that you can imagine, you have to live with an understanding of reality, then you can change this reality, mr. vitaly, well, we have been living like this in ukraine for many years, and it was even before the war, the war, well, the truth is, the war is just all this is painted in very dramatic colors, and just look here... there are some coincidences, on the one hand, now the verkhovna rada of ukraine is considering the issue of raising taxes, which is quite significant, and we see that among many of our citizens there is a lack of perception, why this needs to be done, and i understand why there is this reluctance, because people are not explained why, on the other hand, the same people ask the question, why raise taxes now, if we are told that in november there will be a second peace summit and all that will end parties, even every day, i now talk to a person on our air, they also ask me questions, and when it's all over, i don't charge anymore, how to build

my life further, why do they do it, and such questions, in fact, everyone the day is very long, that is, you are absolutely right here you talk about the fact that we somehow need to talk to people and somehow explain to people what we will have, what we will have a plan for the future, because even i personally, considering the fact that we have one thing in the morning. in the day another, in the evening absolutely third statements from official persons, i say again, i am already silent there about the experts, about about someone else, and this is actually very much not what demotivates, it introduces, it disorients, it introduces misunderstanding into what it will be even until the end of this year, well, you understand, another big problem, i think, communication of the authorities and society, the president and his subordinates all the time want to prove to our compatriots that the end depends on them. war, and this is also a very dangerous thing, you see, when we start to believe that the end of the war on one or another terms

depends on zelensky, we are fighting because he is becoming the leader of the resistance, he is fighting as the supreme commander-in-chief, he is fighting with by the russians, but he wants to and will agree, well, it is a question of his desire, even... not so now, it is a question of when he will finally finish work on the transition plan with by the russians, he will finish and come to an agreement, which is not true, nothing depends on zelensky in such a situation, when putin is not going to end the war, zelensky is a victim, he is the president of a country that is a victim of aggression, the aggressor here is putin, the aggressor can only be stopped, but from it does not depend on you when you end the war, because you are not the one who attacked, the war can be desired. to end the one who attacked, and this, by the way, has been said a million times by western leaders, from biden to macron and scholz, if putin wants to end this war, he cannot

you need zelensky for this, he can end it in 24 hours, i think, even in two, and zelensky needs putin, putin does not need zelensky to end the war, zelensky needs putin to end the war, without putin zelensky cannot end the war, and putin without zelensky, it is possible, because it is... russians on the territory of our country, russia believes that we should lose our sovereignty, russia is sure that without annexing the territory of ukraine, it cannot become a great civilizational, international a player, and therefore she must pay any price so that ukraine never exists again. these are different things, we, we do not want all this, we do not believe that if russia exists, then ukraine will not exist in the political sense of the word, we have no problems with russia, except that it is an aggressor. and russia is with us, it wants us to be gone, this is a different question, and if our countryman with you once again has the illusion that the problem is with

zelensky, we will go back into the world absolutely, i would say terrible world 2019 year, when a huge number of people, and zelenskyi among them, said that the war continues because the current government wants it, it gets rich from it, and if you remove... people who get rich from the war, it seems to me that this is a quote from shefir or any more of them, then the war will stop immediately, now they are saying the same thing, and any case of corruption, we understand that corruption is a part of this whole history, an obvious part, and again , its strengthening could be predicted 500 years therefore, simply for the reason that when you you bring unprofessional leadership to power, you give the hands of corruption such a weapon that it cannot help but use, and corruption will... strengthen with every year of non-professional leadership to the point that it will literally strangle this public administration, take it by the throat and will not let go for the next three or four decades, it must be

clearly understood no. where will you go from corruption, you yourself got into the trap where it was, but it starts right away, that's why the war continues, because they they get rich with it, of course there are always dirty people who get rich on the war, the russian-ukrainian war will create a lot of wealth for ukrainian officials and people close to the government, there is no doubt about it, but they did not start this war and they cannot and... to finish, they cannot say: oh, we don't need to get rich anymore, let's have peace now, we already have enough money, we can already buy villas in italy, in france, in monaco, factories, steamships, buy all ukrainians, and sell ​​them 100 times, that's all, we need peace, because they don't decide it, the russians will decide when there will be peace, the russians, not the ukrainians, but what should be done so that the russians decide, so that they think peace, they must be stopped. until you

stop the russian, he will fight. so, here is the real peace plan: russian troops stop, russian attacks do not reach their goal, ukrainians hit russia, thus creating the conditions for war to become an inhabitant of russian settlements, as well as ukrainian ones, and on the territory two countries, in fact, the black restless life continues together with the war, not one, but two, and this is... a condition, and russia, not having the opportunity to advance its troops and not having the opportunity to destroy the ukrainian infrastructure, along with this, loses billions of dollars every day , then a warehouse exploded, then something failed to sell, then some chinese bank refused to have any business with russia, and here every day, not even subordinates ask putin, he himself asks, well,

here are these troops and... and so on that maybe it is necessary act somehow differently, he begins to think about it, at least, well, if he thinks about it for 10 minutes a day, until he wakes up and thinks about ukraine, as yeltsin commanded, remember, he said, everyone should wake up in the morning, russian officials think about ukraine, they are doing this now, but then there may be a real possibility of ending the war, and then zelenskyi can really write a plan, because then there may be at least some platform for a compromise, and while they are crawling like storans in pokrovsk, while they are preparing rockets to freeze ukrainians, so that many ukrainians do not have a chance to survive the winter, at least there in certain regions, and they believe in this as long as they can maintain a certain social level, as long as they can pay money to their contractors, and while in

russian regions ... the competition continues, who will pay more, and by the way, look, andriy, this is not a fictitious competition, there are regions that cannot pay extra, but khakassia, let's say, will pay zero rubles to the one who leaves serve on contract in addition to this sum, which is promised by the federal government, and there are regions that pay a lot, which means that they have not yet exhausted all the money, at the moment when we say to you, listen. from russian regions , 80% do not pay additional money for their contracts, do not encourage them to pay them, this means that in a large part of the territory of russia there are problems with regional budgets, there are none yet, well, these are just objective data, because you understand you and i will never fully understand the statistics of the development of the russian economy, but here is the big picture

on account of russia... can show what it is really capable of doing in terms of recruiting people, we can judge by these federal and regional payments, well, but in principle, then we return to the so-called victory plan, the more the allies give us money, the more they give us weapons, the more russia will understand that we will fight back, the more chances that we will go somewhere on some track of the end of the war, well, again, i don't know when, there is a chance. to implement such a plan, at least in the near term, 3.6, where months, i think you are asking about the nearest, about the plan, that is actually what you were talking about, about the conditional victory plan in the next decade, and in the next term of the president of the united states, the next one, that is, from march 2020, er, lord, the fifth year to...