by and large, russia can show what it really can do in terms of recruiting people, we can judge by these federal and regional payments. well, but in principle, then we return to the so -called victory plan: the more money the allies give us, the more weapons they give us, the more russia will understand that we will fight back, the more chances we will get somewhere on some track of the end of the war, well, i'm with... again, i don't know when there is a chance to implement such a plan, at least in in the near term 3:6 months, i thought you were asking about the near term, about the plan, that is actually what you were talking about, about the plan for the victory of the conditional in the next decade and in the next term of the president of the united states, that is, from march 2020, my lord, in the fifth year to... january to february

2030, a window of opportunity opens, and until march, so far, relatively speaking, we will be in the mode of receiving aid in which we were, maybe president biden will go for some non-standard solutions, but in anyway, you see, look what is happening with biden, he is in a certain political trap, on the one hand, he can now make any decision regarding more intensive aid to ukraine and not carry it accordingly. for its long-term effects, because it's the end of his political career that he didn't expect, uh, if he was running for president of the united states right now, he didn't have to show anything at all, he was careful about the definition, but with on the other hand, he should make such a decision, which certainly should not become a problem for the presidential campaign kamele halsa, so he cannot afford the so-called sharp escalation. because

if there is any sharp escalation, then trump will immediately say, you see, these crazy people, they have led the country to the third world war, already, he is saying this now, this is a big part of his election campaign, if they allow russia to shoot at ukraine shoot at russia, this will lead us to the third world war - says trump. this is a quote. and during the transit period of power, let's say, there may be some from november 5 to january 20 non-standard to his successors, as a rule, he does not make any such tough decisions that contradict the ideas of his successors, consultations must take place, because everyone understands very well, it is a question of the succession of power, that you cannot make decisions that later, for which your successor will later be blamed , this does not happen in big politics, well, again, can biden...

increase aid to ukraine, well, first of all, within the framework of the budget that is allocated for aid, we talk about biden all the time, as if there is no congress , again, it is biden, zelensky will show everything to biden, well , biden, as you remember, was ready to help us with this amount, which is now allocated to congress six months before congress made this decision, and trump is absolutely aware, it is trump, one must call a spade a spade, delayed the allocation of this aid and agreed to... only when he saw that it did not bring any electoral losses for him. then the question arises, even if it is written in the victory plan that it is necessary, perhaps we do not know this, but yes the western media say, a guarantee of military aid for ukraine. and how is the congress? well, let's say that president biden tells zelensky that it's a great idea, volodymyr, you need to be guaranteed help. i am ready to do it, i am completely, i am in favor with both hands. well.

you can also tell president zelensky, i can say, he can meet with us and show us the victory plan. then you will have to go to congress. and so the question arises, and this congress, he will vote, the most important thing is, how much is left of this congress? three months practically nothing. well, in two months there will be a clear understanding that there is a new majority. if it will be a republican majority, but republicans absolutely do not need to vote for something that is not in their interests, and they. if there is a democratic majority, but the republicans will definitely try to shift all the responsibility for such decisions to the democracy, and so and vice versa, so in this respect the possibilities are limited, well, again, we may not like it all, but this is what professional politics looks like , well, listen, well, the president zelenskyi... can certainly understand this, because

he is in his own parliament, having a monomajority of absolute anonymous people there, whose surnames he himself does not even know who these people are, whom he in principle... brought to the verkhovna rada of ukraine, he all the time he is faced with the situation of the absence of a majority there, here’s how it is, here he will think about it, i have a monomajority, and i am forced to go to political bargaining from the former opzzh, without the votes of the former pro-russian forces, i cannot rule the country, and biden has there is no mono majority, and unlike zelenskyi, he knows exactly all senators and congressmen, people know it all. who have real political careers, these are all people who depend on their voters, the zelenskyi deputy , yes, zero, depends on his voter, zero, because this voter does not even know his name, then when he finds out that in the parliament, there is a conditionally blind woman, she starts saying, oh, who voted for her, what

is this, who did you vote for her, you, you, where did you vote for her, you with your pen, and now ... well, it doesn't happen like that in america, that's right not a kindergarten, it's a grown up country, that's how they vote for very strange people there too, mellary, what was her name there, mellary taylor green, that's 150 cornerless, cornerless napoleon banaparte and cicerone compared to mellary taylor green, but on the other hand people, who voted for mezhorim, i'm sorry, they knew exactly who they were voting for. she did not suddenly appear as a kinder surprise in the parliament, she was a political activist, she was public, she expressed her opinions, she spoke at rallies, you absolutely consciously vote for such a person, this is the difference, well, these are people who have been working towards their goal for decades,

i'm sorry, but in the united states of america there are congressmen and senators who have been in politics since the 70s and 80s of the last century. there are, there are, who have been for 30 years already, there are those who have been for 30 years, yes, and there are those who went to their goal, 20 years, 30 years, 15 years, i apologize, starting from the fact that they were someone's assistant, or a low , branch, the democratic party or the republican party, and now they've become a congressman or a senator, so that's what i mean, you know that there are young people, these young people still go to rallies by themselves, make speeches by themselves. here's the kicker, she's a young politician, and she's been left behind, they're asking her to run for re-election, because she's a popular person in indiana, she's not a veteran of politics, but she can relate to people in indiana, that's a very important thing, that we

also forget all the time that america, like the european union at large, is the united states, and we need to find a common language not with some abstract american. like the one that is needed here to find a common language first of all with a ukrainian, no, you need to find a common language with people in indiana, in oregon, in california, in new york and these are different languages, completely different political languages, and when a person knows how, of course, he needs his the party is needed by society, and it can be very strange, but maybe its voters are strange, well, by the way, about one more senator, if we have already mentioned senators, andriy. kach, that was the people's deputy of ukraine, how many, how many, how many convocations you have to google, but many convocations, he became a senator, a senator or a member of the federation council in russia from the astrakhan region, a person who

was essentially one of those apologists for the russian church in ukraine, a person who essentially promoted this russian peace in ukraine. and a person who became famous in general for all these russian connections, if not the most, mr. vitaly, what kind of phenomenon is this and why derkach to putin, well, it is clear that after andriy derkach fled from ukraine to russia, he could fall to the bottom, he could become conditional there like yanukovych, but we see that he, in fact, in fact, as that is to say, reincarnated from... zaporizhzhia region is dima ragozin, and the senator from astrakhan region is andrii derkach, why not the other way around, why was derkach made

a member of the federation council from some occupied country, and why what is derkach for at all, and i tell you i can explain why, because dima rogozin is an fsb agent, and... derkach is an fsb officer, these people have a different report card, even in such a situation, i don't think that andriy derkach should have gone down somewhere. agents are at the bottom, they have been fulfilled. and the officer who was doing his job all the time, he should get an award, well, look, andriy logovy, the person whom the british court found guilty of murdering litvinenko, he is also a member of the state duma of the russian federation, a very active deputy, this is... not happy federation to you, this is an active public activity, because it worked well, it worked, it performed correctly

all the tasks that were, now work in the parliament, gets access to certain financial flows, i generally believe that andriy was an agent of the russian special services all his life, i do not know as his father the former head of the sbu, it's just a good question, but he's sure, the point is you. do you remember that he, he was a member of the verkhovna rada, who all the time defended pro-russian narratives, no, he was the owner of this television company era and radio era, these were the main voices, as you remember, next to the fifth channel of the orange revolution, he was then a deputy from the motherland, well, maybe it was supposed to be like that, but you don't think that's the case with him? the political ones suddenly changed, as they say, you understand how to say it, that’s right,

the image or tasks may be different, but later i will tell you again, i was with andriy derkach in a studio in kyiv, there were not many of us, four people, we were invited by savik shuster on his own initiative, when there was a story with tuzla, that is, there was a moscow studio, there were people from this side people of patriotic views, huh. so, andriy derkach was then the main patriot of all times and people, he stood for this, this, if you find this program in the archive, you will see how andriy dorkach, but we understand that it was all just a game, and he was then the escalation of this conflict is necessary, to put kuchma in an uncomfortable position, that is, he was first in the national-democratic camp all the time, and then, when they decided that they already had everything in their pockets, he... revealed himself early, then in the regional camp he performed tasks, but the most

important his task was the story with the compromise of biden and poroshenko, and it was again a hook, the russians were trying all the time, completely inexperienced, to catch the ukrainian government on some hook so that it would like it, but they knew there, let's say, that zelensky had a personal hatred there to poroshenko, this is not a special secret, i think that i am not revealing any secrets here, that zelensky trembles when he mentions it. about poroshenko, i don't know why, it's hard for me to understand, because i believe that the succession of power in a democratic country excludes such and such behavior, but on the other hand, trump did not come to biden's inauguration, we no longer live in such conditions, therefore, it is zelensky's right, but we are not talking about it now, so they understand that if someone releases some tapes that will give zelensky and his entourage the opportunity to do something bad things to say about poroshenko, they will definitely take advantage of this, despite the fact that poroshenko's interlocutor is biden. so, they will compromise biden and, on the one hand, they will create problems for

the relationship between zelenskyi and biden, if biden becomes the president of the united states, this is also part of the preparation for war, that is , he must say something bad about biden, he must all this took advantage himself, because the moment the war starts, biden will feel for him anyway. who can perform such a difficult task task? not some agent dubinsky, you know that, it’s all a little thing, but a real officer with a good education, you understand, derkach graduated from the academy there, fsbshno, so he was taught all this, you understand, they teach all this, and if we look in all forms, how they teach, they, let's say... they study all their previous operations, they just pass them in exams, here is the operation of trusts with

savinkov, do you remember this story, when boris sayenko was lured to the soviet union, creating a special organization abroad, ready to fight the regime, like the fbk, the current one, it is very, very similar, but when you look at the activities of the fbk, i don't want to say anything about the fbk, ugh, but... it is absolutely similar to this organization created by arbuzov and other chekists abroad of soviet russia to lure savinkov here and in general. to compromise opposition activity, because you understand that after borysenko, who was a charismatic leader of the opposition, repented of all his sins and died, it dealt a serious blow to the anti-bolshevik opposition, which was stronger than it seems because we also live in the soviet narratives of history, so far, and in this regard, here is a wonderful story with drikach, well, if

he did all this, they evaluate, he did it, he did it, you did it, in principle biden would perhaps have a better attitude towards... if there wasn't this story, he would have more, i would say, more personal contact with the president of ukraine, if there wasn't in this this wonderful story, or something else, the sumy region, ugh, he was actually his curator, also a position, remember how the mayor of the deaf michel tereshchenko, ugh, he, with a shout shouted what was happening to the sumy region under derkach's people and... that there was not even an opportunity to somehow stop it, because everyone believed that the situation was stable there, well , yes, derkach, well, the regionals, but he was not a regionalist, he just a statesman, and andriy always tried to make such an impression on his, so to speak, interlocutors that this is not a question of political views, it is a question

of statehood, he is such a senator, sorry, roman, not russian, because he is the son of the head of the security service of ukraine . it always is causes respect in our conditions of the political elite, you know that we have hereditary politicians, inherit and there are people who are absolutely professional, absolutely skilled, and there are people who use their ability to do the right thing, the question here is simply that in reality such jerks, well, conditional , small or big, if we are talking about the sumy region, as an example, then we can also talk about the same year 2022 and about the kharkiv region. and about kherson region, and about mykolaiv region, and about zaporizhzhia region, about donetsk, let it be good, but 2013 is the year luhansk region, comrade, we are talking about such a very recent retrospective, and why, look, yefrimov now lives in moscow, the truth is, he is the leader of the former faction of the party of regions, he was the curator of luhansk region, was, he actually prepared the cadres that contributed to her

support for the russian invasion, true, but what happened to efrim? after the 2014 maidan , nothing, he headed the faction of the regions until the end of the convocation, you see, in principle, he could continue his activities as an agent protection of the interests of the russian federation, well, right in his office in kyiv, he continued to exercise his powers until the last day of his deputyship, well, he is not alone, in fact, there were many of them, i say once again, from a small cog of some sort to... that is, we have to understand the absolute level of infiltration of the russian agents into the ukrainian political, military, and security structures, that is, it is clear that a large number of people have already disappeared, but we do not know the number of agents and, most importantly, those who are asleep

agents of the russian federation, given that there was never an actual rupture of the umbilical cord. still continues to perform his functions and wait for his time, well, here you are regarding this, i had a question five minutes ago, you mentioned that derkach, he was at one time such a democratic, supposedly human , which provides platforms for freedom of speech in ukraine, yes, we mentioned the same era, and yes, well, allegedly, the era television and radio company at that time... it was hard to blame the fact that, sorry, there is some very big censorship or opposition politicians are not allowed there, i also remember that, but you really said one thing that this is a person who at some point at least demonstrated that she is a democrat, taking this into account, the following question arises: could to be such jerks,

including in the national-patriotic forces, at that time and not only... at that time, a certain number, that is, conditionally, as you say, dormant agents, who, conditionally speaking, simply performed their patriotic role, with of the late 80s, early 90s, well, our representatives of the national-patriotic forces they are very reluctant to talk about it, as a rule, it is an unpleasant thing for them, but taking into account the fact that in those countries where the kgb archives were actually opened, it suddenly turned out that other organizations were in the leadership of the same sayudis at the time of independence. there are a lot of such former agents of the state security committee of the soviet union, we can conclude that there were such people as well. the only thing is that they were not so much needed there for one simple reason: sayujis came to power. the people's movement did not come to power, and for that, in order to really exert some influence on the situation, as you understand, it was necessary to be near the tower of power, that is why all these

tobacconists, who could also play the role of national democracy, but they immediately got their bearings and understood that their agent activities must be continued where you firstly, you have access to financial flows, and secondly, where you can influence the decisions of the ukrainian authorities, and what you can steal from the people's movement, some things, relatively speaking. that is, there was no such interest. yes, in fact, a very interesting topic, and here, i think, maybe in the future we will learn something more. well, and of course, unfortunately, in ukrainian politics, we still observe those people who, even now in the verkhovna rada, who promoted russian narratives both until 2014 and until 2022, but they are still in the verkhovna rada of ukraine, but that's another topic, we have a little break and we'll be back with

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we are returning to the saturday political club. we are here, and now we will talk about international events, those that affect the situation in the world, well, in ukraine, of course, as well. the war in the middle

east, the attack of pagers, that is, this will be our topic. in fact, you all watched what happened in lebanon at the beginning of the war the current week, suddenly just hundreds. pagers, hundreds of different gadgets, later, a few days later, various representatives of the terrorist hezbollah began to explode, and 37 dead, well, this is the minimum, this is the minimum, we cannot really know, because the lebanese authorities can hardly even theoretically report the real number, more than 300 wounded, there are, in particular, representatives of iran. among the wounded, in particular, the ambassador of iran, who lost an eye, there are a lot of people, in particular, people who lost their sight, yes, or

their sight was damaged. their eyes were damaged, well, in particular, western publications say that pagers, conditional pagers and other gadgets were waiting for this command, some media reports that such an operation was being prepared for about 15 years, whether this is true or not, we will not know never, or we will find out only after a while, but from some other book about massad, so maybe, but on the other hand, well... this is something new, this is some completely new level, this is something that was not expected, that was expected in general, rockets, drones, some kind of explosions, here what actually happened that basically turns the whole idea of ​​modern warfare today, like security, modern, modern

security system, in the middle east, but i would say here that it's not just about the middle east now, it's this applies now to the whole world, and now everyone, well, a terrorist and not only a terrorist will pick up his gadget and be afraid, and not only a terrorist, i mean a terrorist and not only a terrorist, any person will now be afraid, by the way, they actively talk about it, including in russian television, now i have already seen it. if we talk about at least this block, no , not yet, let's not rush into a full-scale war, but this block of what happened in lebanon, this special operation, these explosions, these pagers, these gadgets, in your opinion, to what extent is it in general, will affect the general security system, on general

fear. different representatives of different states, and what it will change in our world and in world politics, well, by the way, we need to start talking about it from a technological point of view, because what you have drawn is to a certain extent measures of utopia, but you have an iphone production , which is the iphone you have, yes, it is chinese- made, but one way or another it is controlled by a company, a manufacturer, and so on. is responsible for your safety and this is an american company, well, in principle, now this american company should think about whether it should not transfer the production of iphones to india and taiwan, well, as far as i understand, some of the details have already been transferred to india there somehow, of course, so that this is a huge risk now for her, because in principle the chinese special services, as it turns out, can mount in such a gadget, anything, if you can not find explosives. then you can't

find anything, just imagine, we understand that it's not just there that hezbollah bought some pagers and walkie-talkies for its fighters, and just, you know, brought a box as if it were a new mail, and come on guys, come, ahmet, here's to you, abdullah, here's to you, mahmoud, here's to you, and yes and no, there is a special service there, by the way, which works with the iranians, in iran there are very strong special services. a service that checks all this 150 thousand times before to give someone a wiretap, for the existence of bugs, for the existence of explosives, for everything, and they found nothing, nothing, i didn’t even understand where they bought it from, some say from hungary, others say from bulgaria, others say from taiwan, you can’t to find the ends, it's them with the iphone, where it was installed, in china or in america, so

the first thing... what we have to do is we have to move the production, and now everyone will think about it, i think now with the owner apple will meet in the cia and the pentagon, tell him: listen, if you want explode yourself? do you want us to explode? let's choose, we'll all explode here together, let's search and transport the production, because sooner or later it will happen, it's not a matter of one day, but in a couple of years, you have to do it once in a couple of years, but imagine what you have... . you will definitely be with him, if you have such a specific democratic position, or you are an employee of the special service of some democratic country, and you took this android made in china, i will not give a hryvnia for your life and safety, so why do we getting closer, we definitely understand if we are in this part of the world we can only use equipment made in

the west or. with the countries, allies of the west gives full control.