quite negative things about the csto. as far as i understand, in principle, armenia is ready somewhere to leave the csto. we see efforts to at least move somewhere in the direction of the european union, somewhere in the direction of some european values, at least in terms of contacts with european partners. what is happening with armenia now, to what extent, after all, there is this corridor of departure for it. of russia and the movement towards the european union, and how is this country living now after what happened a year ago with karabakh? well, you know, i've been talking to mine since the 90s a romanian interlocutor, and continues to adhere from this point of view that karabakh was a real civilization trap for armenians, well, not a state trap, not even a trap, but a civilization trap, because... the very

independence of this country was dictated by the need to control karabakh, the very idea of ​​the movement for independence arose from karabakh, and not the other way around, because armenia was led by the first president of armenia after the restoration of independence, livon trepitor, the head of the karabakh committee, and not by some other organization, that is the first moment, the second moment, that this the victory in the first karabakh war could not be achieved without russia's support, and the armenians understood very well that they could not maintain this situation without support. russia, well, it is clear, because look at azerbaijan, look at armenia, and here, then, armenia is against, for several decades in a row, they simply did not develop, economically, politically, in any way, all development was for the sake of maintaining control over karabakh and those regions of azerbaijan, who led this territory once, armenia essentially got rid of the normal democratic procedure for the change of power, came to power, and political clans again. are completely

oriented towards russia and who were from karabakh, and the second president of armenia, robert kocheryan, and the third president of armenia, they are both from karabakh, that is, i am absolutely not going to divide armenians by the regions of their residence and by the countries of their residence, this is armenia a country for armenians, but simply pro-russian clans do not even matter so much that they are from karabakh, how does their orientation towards moscow matter, and on the other hand, if you think about karabakh and its maintenance... and you yourself are a former official from karabakh, robert kachaya was the president of the nagorno-karabakh republic, self-deposed, so of course you should focus on moscow, what should you focus on, yerevan? so how do you get this territory? and it actually continued for decades. this gordian knot was cut by moscow itself, not baku. because moscow decided that if the armenians managed to get rid of their pro-russian leadership. to restore democratic processes, to start.

to form relations with different countries of the world, then it should be shown that such countries and such and such a leadership suffers a fiasco, that is why moscow looked absolutely calmly at the first, at the second karabakh war and at its end, this is a strange thing in general, the russians promised to keep the armenian population of karabakh safe, and when the azerbaijani troops decided to take control of the , what was left of karabakh there, russian... military personnel did not take part in any way at all, some believed, some believed that this was happening because russia was bogged down in the war in ukraine, on the other hand, some believed that such significant forces were not needed there , however, someone believed that it was essentially an agreement with azerbaijan, it was not even an agreement, i would not underestimate ilham aliyev's political abilities, i think that ilham aliyev simply understood that putin will not be disturbed. ugh, at this stage of history,

is he bogged down in the war, or does he just want to get rid of pashinyan, but he didn’t get rid of him once after the second karabakh war, maybe this and the exit of the karabakh armenians will lead to a change of power, and this is not the end of the story, you understand, they need return armenia to the russian sphere of influence, as they need to return moldova, ugh, since they need to return georgia. this is everything for them, and as they need, by the way, to return azerbaijan, this is all for them the future territories, the future empire. and there is an opportunity for russia to return to armenia now, well, at least we can see, with moldova it is under great question, because in moldova there is no unified pro-russian forces, they are de facto now fragmented, there, despite all that russian propaganda, sandu has sanda, she leads, and her political power. leads, in azerbaijan

the story is a little different, there is an authoritarian government, support turkey, and it is very difficult for me to say that azerbaijan might be able to establish full control over azerbaijan, it is some kind of hybrid thing, maybe. georgia, well, georgia is actually already drifting somewhere in such a russian way, this is a separate topic, but it is not known whether it will reach it, taking into account the fact that now there will be parliamentary elections and it is not known how they will end and what will happen after that, but armenia, this is actually one of the most litmus tests for russia, and in my opinion there are chances. they have more than others countries, i don't think so, or in your opinion, i think it's exactly the same with georgia, azerbaijan, ugh, for other reasons simply, that is, the armenians, you know, they got out of paska karabakh, politically, but who

told you that they chose mentally, they are still incredibly offended by russia for, well, that it did not live up to their hopes for security, that is, in armenia, the armenian people did not... , to cooperate with russia, we have to obey them, such an idea there is not a single armenian, they think, well, we are allies there, we have to cooperate with each other, negotiate, and what kind of power we will have there is our right, we russians choose our government, we choose ours, what about you, our government is ready to relations with russia, and russia... betrayed us, actually supported from the point of view of armenia, azerbaijan in this story, and if russia is here, it will behave in such a hybrid way, like in georgia, suppose, of course, that no political force in irmania will say that the hon

citizens, we are for russia, but it can behave conditionally in a hybrid way and, as far as i understand, russia is betting on it there, no, why not, that’s exactly what they say there, not there... not like in georgia, there is just a clear division into political forces, such as poshinyan's party, which says that we want, we want to preserve relations with russia, but we believe that we need to orient ourselves to the west, like building relations with france, the united states, think even about the european union, and the power that says we should be with in russia, no, they openly say, there is a struggle between these two concepts, but actually, that's what i 'm talking about, this second concept, it can win. it cannot, because, because it is now perceived as treasonous, because russia itself has done everything to prevent this concept from winning, it can win only through a coup d'état, and i tell you once again, put yourself in the place of an average armenian, you can imagine

a medieval armenian, whether or not russia betrayed you, betrayed, betrayed, so i say once again, at the beginning of our conversation about this, i i mentioned my friends who still... 16 years ago, 16 years, 10 years ago, believed in russia, i remember these conversations, believed in russia, now it's a completely different position, well, if you're talking about people , who live in ukraine, who are simply watching this for the sake of it, imagine a person whose son died in the war, and either relatives left stepana kertu or shosha, and who is to blame for this, well who is pashinyan, of course, he can also be you in the eyes of these people, but they will not vote for ... the forces that will say, you know, putin is not guilty, we need to be with russia, everything will be fine, because they were already with russia, and from their point of view they did not offend her, because they do not think that the armiratka revolution is against russia, as a result, russia behaves like she behaved meanly towards them , that is, by and large, putin has led himself into a trap in armenia,

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the territory of the tver region, and we will talk, of course, about the impact of the kurdish operation of the armed forces forces of ukraine consciousness of ordinary muscovites. today's guests of zahid studio are matthew bryza and dmitry oreshkin. bryza, ex-adviser of the secretary of state of the united states, former director of european and eurasian affairs in the national council, will be working on the espresso tv channel. security of the united states. glory to ukraine, dear mr. ambassador. welcome to the espresso studio. well, extremely important signals. i emphasize that signals come from us both from mass media and from certain diplomatic sources. we understand that a very fierce war is going on. our fighters are on the territory of the russian federation in the kursk region. an extremely bloody operation in the pokrovsky direction, when we'. we are talking about russian interventionists, and at the same time we regularly hear one or another

reports about the so-called peace talks and possible agreements of this or that, let them not be immediate direct agreements, but in any case they talk about the so-called possible package visions, well and what is most important, the president of ukraine will present to the leadership of the united states, in particular to president joseph biden, ukrainian peace. a plan to put pressure on russia, the aggressor state. how do you see the situation? yes, we know that president zelenskyi is going to present his peace plan to president biden, and there are high expectations, at least outside the white house, with keir starmer recently visiting washington, as well as foreign secretary david lamy and secretary of state anthony blinken visited the president. significant decisions were expected from the usa and great britain britain, it was assumed that the leaders could

allow ukraine to use missiles to attack and storm shadow targets deep in russian territory, but this has not yet been announced. the us president's national security adviser, jake sullivan, was recently asked about this clearance and simply said: i cannot make any announcement at this time. this does not mean that permission was not granted. or that it will not be provided, simply means that the united states is not prepared to discuss the matter openly. currently, the momentum in the biden administration and the starmer administration in london is similar. is moving toward supporting president zelenskyi's peace plan, helping ukraine defend itself against russian attacks with cruise bombs and ballistic missiles, and i think that's a positive momentum. dear mr. ambassador, we understand that this is not about political analysis, yes, because there are many components of this process that remain confidential or

secret, and maybe even not worked out, but if we take a general approach to such... things, as if on yours opinion, what parameters could be considered, what kind of plan this potential peace plan could be, taking into account the fact that the state is an aggressor against peace negotiations, and they want fixation on the land, that is, they want to control our captured territories, so what to do with what could be the parameters of what is called this negotiated peace process. i will say that i do not have access. to president zelensky's plan, as i live here in turkey, but it is obvious that a significant part of it is that the russian armed forces must withdraw from the entire the ukrainian territory they occupied, including crimea and donbas. undoubtedly, russia should recognize the sovereignty and territorial integrity of ukraine. unfortunately, i do not know what place in zelenskyi's peace plan will be

given to the strategic orientation of ukraine in the future. back in march of the 22nd year. there were rumors of not-so-secret talks taking place in istanbul between representatives of ukraine and russia, which reportedly included ukraine declaring political or geostrategic neutrality, which would mean that ukraine no one will press for its accession to nato, nor for a cease-fire when russia withdraws all its troops that entered ukraine during the second invasion in february 22. the issue of the legal status of donbass and crimea should go away for about 15 years, maybe this is part of the plan, although i doubt it. of course, the core of zelenskyi's perspective is a ceasefire and the complete withdrawal of russian troops, what he is willing to offer instead, as an incentive for russia, i don't know. well, there are generally two definite,

definite approaches, right? on the one hand, we we understand that in the administration of president biden, perhaps in london, perhaps even in... some other progressive western capitals , they understand that it is possible to force russia only by destroying certain of its power, military, logistical, and so on, that is, if russia were to weaken, she could go to one or another negotiation, yes, because what they put on the diplomatic table is, in simple language, called an ultimatum with further maintenance of the currently occupied territories. the russians would like to take at least 30% of our... make us a non-aligned state, which would be under the control of the russian federation. yes, this is one story. on the other hand, in washington they understand that if it is possible to shake up the russian economy and destroy the russian military machine, it may force putin to revise one or another of his demands. but we understand that there are also big

powerful players. china, brazil, india and the so- called big... global south, they too would like to achieve certain results at our ukrainian expense, right? well, accordingly, in my opinion, that's why it was the so-called kurdish operation was launched, because the russians constantly talked about the realities on the ground, and the realities on the ground are now such that we keep part of the territory of the russian federation under military control, accordingly, the brazilian-chinese plan has suffered a certain actual fiasco, perhaps. i 'm wrong, and accordingly, if we talk about zelenskyi's plan, we said, let 's talk about joseph biden's plan now, how can we stop the russian bear if we lack long-range missile systems, aviation and the appropriate permissions from of the united states, to use it to destroy russian military facilities. first

of all, i don't think chinese or brazilian plans matter. what matters is whether the united states, great britain and other nato allies will provide ukraine with the capabilities necessary to weaken the russian military to the point where russia simply cannot continue its policy. as i already mentioned, at the beginning of our interview, in my opinion, ukraine desperately needs to get permission to use atakams and storm shadow long-range missiles deep in russian territory. a recent attack in the west of the tver region. in the city of toropets was a spectacular drone strike that caused huge explosions throughout the city. the destruction of warehouses of ballistic missiles, glider bombs and other ammunition is obvious. affected russia's ability to carry out attacks using these weapons on the territory of ukraine. whether ukraine will be able to achieve similar success with atakam and stormshadow missiles

remains to be seen. it seems logical that ukraine has been able to achieve significant results using drones, which are much easier to shoot down. she can do even more with ballistic missile attackens and stormshadow, as well as cruise missiles to potentially weaken the ability. russia to continue the war. according to british military intelligence, citing the ukrainian general staff, russia is losing more than 1,100 soldiers killed or wounded every day, and as of today it has suffered more than 610,000 casualties. this level of losses is unacceptable in the long term, although putin can continue to throw people into battle. these forces are insufficiently qualified and insufficiently trained. in the east. the pokrovsk offensive is significant, and if pokrovsk is captured it will be a major blow to ukraine's operations in the region, but it is unlikely that russia will be able to capitalize on

any breakthroughs in the east due to a lack of the necessary equipment and personnel. even if putin exudes confidence, it seems unlikely that russia can end the war on its own terms. yes, it is extremely important, but the key story is how to make it so that... putin stopped demanding peace from us at our expense, you understand what the most dangerous situation is, putin regularly fires at us, putin raises the level of aggression, they are trying to keep it at the current level only in order to pull us out of this bloody mess there will be no agreement on something, unless, of course, the united states, great britain, france , etc., set very clear negotiation parameters, and we understand that at one time, when putin met... met with president joseph biden, he suggested to divide the world, it was a few years ago, accordingly, we in ukraine understand that there is an ongoing attempt to transform the world,

the struggle for major geopolitical influences continues, yes, but the key task is to ensure that it is not at the expense of ukraine, that it is not at the expense of our state and our territories, yes, well, how do you think the leading players will play now, yes, because... that putin will even agree to certain negotiations so that it is not at the expense of ukraine? maybe he's interested in something in africa, maybe something in the pacific or the indian ocean ocean, but not at the expense of ukraine and our internationally recognized borders. i don't think that we are talking about some big geopolitical agreement in which western leaders offer president putin concessions anywhere in the world. washington is working. so as to solve each problem, such as this war, as a separate issue. the us is taking a problem-solving approach, not a broad geopolitical strategy,

as the russians might imagine. for washington, it is absolutely necessary that the war ends on terms acceptable to ukraine. otherwise, president putin will continue his aggression. moldova may be next, followed by georgia, and possibly both countries at the same time. if putin is not stopped in these countries, he... may threaten the eastern members of nato, such as latvia or estonia. it must be stopped now and that's it. failing that , he will simply delay his aggression militarily in the regions i mentioned, whatever geopolitical ambitions exist in the global south, be it president lula in brazil or xi jinping in china, they have not changed the focus of the us and their allies. the main priority is to stop putin and russia. ukraine and eventually reach a peace agreement acceptable to ukrainians. recent opinion polls show that while about 50% of ukrainians may support a

ceasefire, more than 75% reject any ceasefire that involves handing over ukrainian territory to russia. therefore, western leaders, especially in the administration of biden and garis, will most likely support the will of the ukrainian people. president. trump, if re-elected, has said he intends to to end the war before he takes office, but he may offer a deal that would require ukraine to cede territory in exchange for peace. ultimately, ukraine itself must decide on its own course. this makes it more urgent than ever to allow the ukrainian government to use longer -range weapons deep into russian territory, as this will make it more difficult for russia to launch attacks. on ukrainian infrastructure and civilian population. finally , in august, assumptions about negotiations between russia and ukraine appeared in zmi ending attacks on energy

infrastructure. each other probably through the mediation of qatar. i think these talks are still ongoing, although putin may not want to appear as if he is giving in to ukrainian pressure after ukraine's invasion of kurdsk. the fact that these talks are ongoing suggests that putin is looking for ways to de-escalate, given the high price russia is paying. even if putin pretends that he is ready to make any sacrifices. dear mr. ambassador bryza, but ukraine. also has the ability to lift escalation level. extremely important strikes on the military warehouses of the russian federation in the tver region demonstrated that we can use drones to deliver low-level blows to our enemy. and we understand that the level of escalation can be raised not only by the kremlin, but also by ukraine. and the kremlin rarely expected all of this, and we understand that if the drone army will practice, the ukrainian drone army, will practice military targets

on... the territory of the russian federation, russians, ordinary russians, will also to feel the burden of war, but putin is betting on something else, putin is betting on the destruction of our energy during the winter, on enormous suffering, possibly mass deaths and the death of our people, on an exodus, on the departure of a large part of ukrainian citizens from our territory, and after that in the spring, he could offer certain things, this is putin's plan. it worries me that all the western capitals understand this matter, and accordingly, but the pace of giving us military aid is not fast enough, is not satisfactory, and accordingly, the administration biden understands that putin wants to destroy our energy industry, so that the winter will be tragic, the kremlin is doing it, they understand it in delhi, berlin and london also understand it and in paris, but at the moment we see this putin's plan, from

the ukrainian side it remains... just to maintain and possibly even exceed the level of escalation in some respects, that's how it is. we've touched on these issues before, and i completely agree with the premise of your question, the fear of escalation has really prevented the biden administration from authorizing the use of weapons in depth of russian territory. the absence of such permission only allows and encourages putin to continue destroying ukraine's energy infrastructure. it is obvious that... london wants to convince washington to grant ukraine permission for more effective protection. while the attacks on the ukrainian energy infrastructure continue. it appears that discussions are underway that could lead to an agreement under which ukraine and russia would stop attacking each other's energy infrastructure. this could be a constructive step towards changing the momentum and direction of the conflict. except moreover, the success of ukraine in advancing to the territory held by russia to protect its

half. night regions, especially around sumy, changed the psychology of the conflict, from an imaginary dead end to one where ukraine is perceived as a capable and innovative state. the recent drone strike in western tver oblast, which targeted russian ammunition, missile and cluster bomb depots, demonstrates ukraine's effectiveness in reducing russia's ability to strike ukraine with these devastating weapons, even under... can be much less powerful drones compared to atakams and storm shadow missiles. i certainly expect that washington and london will eventually give the go-ahead, and once ukraine starts using these more effective weapons, i am confident that we will see a shift in the momentum of the war in ukraine's favor. here's what might make putin more willing to negotiate in good faith. dear mr.

ambassador brydze, look at the president of the united states joseph biden, he does not have much time left to work in office. fortunately, he is not in person now going through an election campaign. he does not go to pennsylvania and assure that he has a peace plan. the key task of president joseph biden to go down in history, i don't know, at one time was winston churchill, when winston churchill said: "no, we will destroy hitler." i do not idealize churchill, but joseph biden now has a few months to... make a decision at the level of an outstanding great political and military figure of the world, that is, he can grant ukraine certain permissions and possibly increase the range of weapons, long-range weapons and aviation, that is, joseph biden can play to the end, whether he will go for a similar one, or he will be a hostage of the democratic election campaign, president biden deeply ...