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we are returning to the live broadcast of the saturday political club, and then we have new topics and probably no less interesting, no less resonant and no less resonating, first of all, zelensky will be in the united states of america next week, there he will present a victory plan, which absolutely all western mass media are already writing. today reuters, bloomberg, everyone writes, everyone speaks, in particular there even some positions have already been made public, in particular, it provides for the alleged invitation of ukraine to nato and the european union, the supply of weapons in large quantities, it is also about economic support for our country, at the same time, zelenskyi, the president of ukraine, declares that the second summit miru must put an end to the war. at the same
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time, zelensky, we remind you once again, will present this plan to biden, harris and trump next week, and in particular, zelensky also states that this plan is ready for 90% mr. vitaly, there is one more plan, a plan for changes with russia, well, we will get to that as well, but actually this is the plan that ukraine officially declares. government, this plan, it, as far as it is viable at all, there are points in there that, well, in my opinion, appear to be impossible to implement in the near future, at least in the near term, and it is clear that this plan, as far as it is viable, given the fact that russia is unlikely to agree to at least a few of his points, why is zelensky doing it then, and what do we really need this? expect this, well, look, there are three
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plans, one is prepared, two thirds are being prepared, zelenskyi's peace formula, zelenskyi's victory plan and the victory plan. with zelenskyi's russia, and the presence of one document in principle contradicts the presence of two others. well, in general, i apologize, we see that, in principle, a lot of statements of the ukrainian authorities contradict each day, you know, in the morning we read about peace, in the evening we read that we do not make any concessions, the next morning we read about the fact that, well, we still have to sit down at the negotiation table, well, it is on the one hand, on the other hand, if we call it not plans, but let's say... yes, political intentions, then everything will fall into place. i think you and i have become victims of the witness style. president zelenskyi is thinking about these plans, i would say, this plan of information measures. ugh. this is the impression that there is a plan of information activities in the office of the president, and they are simply
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working according to this plan, and it should contain points of various plans. if you and i called zelensky's peace formula simply ukraine's idea of a just peace is absolutely there. ukrainian society's clearly stated idea of a just measure, absolutely accurate, as in a sociological report, by the way, which corresponds to a true understanding of how to restore international law, how to protect sovereignty, there is no point in this plan, these formulas of peace cannot be disputed, now in directives are being created for the development of this, in fact, before zelensky's visit to the united states, well, we ask the president all the time, well, you have a peace formula, but what do you want in general? its put into practice, because none of these points correspond to the real possibilities, you discuss them, delegations come, they shake your hand, you take pictures with everyone, and well, he answers and, and this is the plan, that we should
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be accepted into nato, the plan, maybe we don't know what is actually there, the plan that there should be more serious sanctions against russia, the plan that there should be secondary sanctions. against the countries of the global south that cooperate with russia and so on and so forth, plan, plan. well, that's the answer to the question as you wish embody the formula of peace. now you can ask another question, how do you want to implement these points, but this is what zelensky is proposing to the allies. now the next document is coming: and if all this is really successful, do we already need to sit down with russia at the table of changes? well, if all these plan to win. approved, it means that we will have to negotiate peace with russia, here are our positions regarding these peace agreements, everything is absolutely logical, it just has nothing to do with reality, but this is another matter, but on the other hand, maybe in the office of the president think not so much about reality, but
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about the need to keep people in a state of expectation of a quick end to the war. i don't know how rational it is, i keep saying that i think that... people should plan their lives, including service in the armed forces, including jobs, including staying or not staying in ukraine, based on the prospect of a long war, let's say for ourselves, without any government statements there. the conflict has been going on for 10 years, which means that my country is in the conflict is 10 years old, all 10 years with more or less intensity military actions continue, which means that there is a probability that it can continue for another 10 years absolutely calmly. high intensity war, low intensity war, missile strikes, environmental disasters, lack of electricity, water, fuel, all this will be a part of my life, if i do say so myself, then i understand, indeed i will have to be there one day conscripted for real
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to pay higher taxes, because the state will be forced to rebuild itself on a military system and everything its essence will be precisely that it will be engaged in protection, and whoever will be in the rear will pay the majority. the money he earns to support the army, and how else does he want to survive, plus infrastructure, plus that, plus that, so, to agree to a certain limitation of the rights and freedoms of a citizen for many years, what was important for the ukrainian state, there its democracy, from the electoral point of view, will become a part of our history of 1991-2022, this is such a reality, well reality, no, let's think that everything will end in december. we will spend one summit, second, third, then the question arises, if everything ends in december, maybe we should just wait until december, for someone to wait at home, why should we take up arms, if there will be peace in december, for someone
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to wait abroad, why return here, while the war is on, it is better to return to a peaceful country, and so month after month after month in... i immediately believe that it will end in march, in march i prevent that it will end in october of the next cancer year, and that's it. a pensioner, but it does not end and does not end, i remember andria, beautiful a phrase from one of mario vargas liosa's novels, who, well, on behalf of his hero, mentioned his relative who died in peru, and he said: well , by and large, my dear had an absolutely fantastic life, he lived his whole life waiting for changes. and so he did not wait for them, but he always expected that changes were about to happen, which means that one should not live
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life waiting for changes - this is the most fruitless life that can be imagined, one should live with an understanding of reality, then these are you can change reality, mr. vitaly, well we actually live like this in ukraine for many years, and it was even before the war, the war, well, the war just paints all this in a very dramatic way, and just look here, some unsings are coming out. on the one hand, now the verkhovna rada of ukraine is considering the issue of raising taxes, which is quite significant, and we see that among many of our citizens there is a lack of acceptance as to why this should be done, and i understand why this lack of acceptance exists, because people are not explained why, on the other hand , these same people ask the question, why now? to raise taxes, if we are told that in november there will be a second peace summit and all this will be over, on the other hand, even i am. every day, i was talking to a person on our airwaves, they also ask me
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questions, and when it's all over, i don't bother anymore, how to continue to build my life, why do they do this, and there are actually a lot of such questions every day, that is, you are absolutely right here that we somehow need to talk to people and somehow explain to people what we will have, what we will have a plan for the future, because even i personally, considering the fact that we have one thing in the morning, another in the day... in the evening, absolutely third statements from official persons, i say once again, i am already silent there about experts, about about someone else, and this is actually not something that demotivates, it introduces, it disorients, it introduces misunderstanding about what will happen even by the end of this year, well, you see, another big problem, i think the communications of the government and society, the president and his subordinates all the time want to prove to our compatriots that the end of the war depends on them. and this is also very dangerous thing, you understand, when we start to believe that
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the end of the war depends on zelensky on certain conditions, then we fight because he becomes the leader of the resistance, he fights as the supreme commander, he fights with the russians, and if he wants to, he will agree, huh , it is a question of his desire, even now not so, it is a question. russians, finish and agree. and this is not true. nothing depends on zelensky in such a situation, when putin is not going to end the war. zelensky is a victim. he is the president of the victim country aggression putin is the aggressor here. the aggressor can only be stopped, but it does not depend on you when you end the war, because you are not the one who attacked. the one who...attacked may want to end the war, and this, by the way, has been said a million times by western leaders, from biden to macron and scholz, if putin wants to end
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this war, he doesn’t need zelensky for that, he can end it in 24 hours, i think, even in two, and zelensky needs putin, putin does not need zelensky to end the war, zelensky needs putin to end the war, without zelensky cannot end the war with putin, but putin can without zelensky, because they are russians on the territory. of our country, russia believes that we should lose our sovereignty, russia is sure that without annexing the territory of ukraine, it cannot become a major civilizational, international player, and therefore it must pay any price so that ukraine never exists again , these are different things, wait a minute, we do not want all this, we do not believe that if russia exists, then ukraine will not exist, in the political sense of the word, we do not have any problems with russia, except that it is an aggressor, and russia has a... it wants us to not have, this is a different question, and if our
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compatriot with you has another once it is an illusion that the problem is with zelensky, we are moving back into the world, absolutely, i would say, the terrible world of 2019, when a huge number of people, and zelensky among them, said that the war continues because the current government wants it, it is on she gets rich, and if you remove the people who are... heard in the war, it seems to me a quote from shefir or someone else from them, then the war will stop immediately, this is what they are saying right now, and any case of corruption, we understand that corruption is... part of this whole story, an obvious part, and again, its strengthening could have been predicted 5 years ago, simply for the reason that when you bring unprofessional leadership to power, you give corruption a weapon it cannot help but use, corruption will increase with each year of non-professional leadership until the point that she will strangle literally, this state administration will take it
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by the throat and will not let it go for the next three or four decades, you must clearly realize this, you can't get anywhere from corruption, you yourself got into the trap where it was, but it starts right away , that's why the war continues, because they get rich, of course, there are always dirty people who get rich from the war, the russian-ukrainian war will create a lot more wealth for ukrainian officials and people close to the authorities, there is no doubt about it, but not they started this war and they cannot end it. they cannot say: oh, we don't need to get rich anymore, let's have peace now, we already have enough money, we can already buy villas in italy, france, monaco, factories, steamships, buy all ukrainians and a hundred times their sell, everything, we need peace, because they don't decide it, the russians will decide when there will be peace, the russians, not the ukrainians, but what should be done so that
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the russians decide, so that the peace will think , they must be stopped while you are a russian. .. you won't stop him will fight, so here is the real peace plan: russian troops stop, russian attacks do not reach their goal, ukrainians attack russia, thus creating conditions for war to become an inhabitant of russian settlements, as well as ukrainian ones, and on the territory of the two countries, in fact, the black restless life continues along with the war of not one, but two, and this is an important condition, and... russia, not having the opportunity to advance its troops and not having the opportunity to destroy the ukrainian infrastructure, along with this loses billions dollars every day, then the warehouse exploded, then something failed to sell, then some chinese bank refused to have any business with russia, and here every day even independents ask
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putin, he himself asks himself, well, here are these troops and what's next. .. "maybe it is necessary to act differently, he begins to think about it, at least, well, if he thinks about it for 10 minutes a day, until he wakes up and thinks about ukraine, as yeltsin commanded, remember, he said, everyone should wake up in the morning, the russian official is thinking about ukraine, they are doing this now, but then the possibility of an interruption of the war can really be avoided, and zelenskyi can really write a plan then, because then it can at least arise. some platform for a compromise, and while they are climbing like storans in pokrovsk, while they are preparing missiles to freeze the ukrainians, so that the ukrainians do not have a chance because many survive the winter, at least there in certain regions, and they believe in it while they can support a certain social level as long as they can pay money to their own
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contractors, and while in the russian regions... the competition continues to see who will pay more, and by the way, look, andriy, this is not a fictitious competition, there are regions that cannot pay extra, such as khakassia, for example, it pays zero rubles to those who go to serve under a contract in addition to this amount, which is promised by the federal government, and there are regions that pay a lot, which means that they have not yet exhausted all the money, at the moment when we say to you, listen, 80% of russian regions do not pay their own additional money to contractors, they are not encouraged to do it, this means that in a large part of russia there are problems with regional budgets, there are none yet, well, these are just objective data, because you understand, we will never understand the statistics of the development of the russian economy with you to the end, but what, by and large,
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russia can show... what it is really capable of doing in terms of recruiting people, we can judge by these federal and regional payments. well, but in principle, then we return to the so-called victory plan: the more allies we have will give money, the more they give us weapons, the more russia will understand that we will fight back, the more chances that we will go somewhere on some track of the end of the war, again, i don't know when, is there a chance for implementation? such a plan, at least in the near future of 3.6-9 months, i thought you were asking about the near-term plan, the one you were talking about, the plan to win in the... in the next decade and in the next term of the president of the united states states next, i.e. from march 2020 e,
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lord, in the fifth year, until january, until february 2030, a window of opportunity opens, and until march, so far, relatively speaking, we will be in the same mode of receiving aid that we were, maybe president biden will go for some non-standard solutions, but in any case. you see, look at what is happening with biden, he is in a certain political trap, on the one hand, he can now make any decision regarding more intensive aid to ukraine and not be responsible for its long-term consequences, because this is the end of his a political career that he didn't hope for, uh, if he was running for president of the united states right now, he wouldn't have anything to show for it, he was careful about the definition, but on the other hand, he has to make this decision, which certainly should not become a problem for the presidential campaign of kamela harris ugh,
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so he cannot afford the so-called sharp escalation, because if there is any sharp escalation, then trump will immediately say: look, these crazy people, they led the country to the third world war , already, he is that is saying now, that's a big part of his campaign, if they let russia shoot at... in the country shoot at russia, it's going to take us to world war iii, trump says. this is a quote. and in the period of transit of power, let's say, there may be some non-standard there from november 5 to january 20. depends on who will be elected. then there will be a transfer of cases. this means that the administration that hands over affairs to its successors, as a rule, does not make any such tough decisions that contradict the ideas of the successors. consultations. have happen, because everyone understands very well, it is a question of the succession of power, that you cannot make decisions that later, for which your successor will later be blamed, this does not happen in big politics, well, again,
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can biden increase aid to ukraine, well , first of all, within the framework of the budget that is allocated for aid, we all the time talk about biden as if there is no congress, again, it is biden in the greens will show everything to biden, well, biden, as you remember, was ready help us for this amount, which is now allocated to the congress, 6 months before the congress made this decision, and trump is fully aware, it is trump, you have to call things by their names, slowed down the allocation of this aid, and agreed only when he saw that it would not bring him any electoral losses, then the question arises, even if it is written in the victory plan that it is possible, we do not know this, but that is what the western media say, a guarantee of military aid for... ukraine. how about the congress? well, let's say president biden says, zelensky: "great idea, volodymyr. we need to guarantee you help. i am ready
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to do it. i am completely, i am in favor with both hands. well, you can say the same to president zelensky, i can say, he can meet with us and show us the victory plan will have to go to the congress, and the most important thing is that there will be a new majority in two months there will be a republican majority, but a republican one there is absolutely no need to vote for something that is not in their best interest, and they know that there is a new president, and they know that the next congress will continue this line if there is a democratic majority, but the republicans will definitely try to shift all responsibility for such decision for democracy. and vice versa, so in this regard the possibilities are limited, well, again, we may not like it all, but this is what professional politics looks like, well,
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listen, well, president zelenskyy, for sure can understand this, because he is in his own parliament, having a monomajority of absolute anonymous people there, the names of which he himself does not even know who these people are, whom he basically brought to the verkhovna rada of ukraine, he is constantly... facing the situation the absence of a majority there, that’s how it is, here he thinks, how it is that i have a monomajority, and i am forced to go to political bargaining from the former opzzh, without the votes of the former pro-russian forces, i cannot rule the country, and biden does not have a majority vote, and on unlike zelensky, he definitely knows all the senators and congressmen, know all these people who have real political careers. these are all people who depend on their voters, zelenskyi mp yes, zero depends on his voter, zero because this voter doesn't even know his name, then when he finds out that
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there is a meringue in the parliament. begins to say, oh, who voted for her, what is this, who did you vote for her, you, you, where did you vote for her, you with your pen, and now, huh, well, and you in america so it doesn't happen, it's not kindergarten it's a grown up country yes they vote for very strange people there too melary what was her name there melary taylor green it's 150 , who voted for mezhjors, i'm sorry, they knew exactly who they were voting for, she didn't suddenly appear as a kinder surprise in the parliament, she was a political activist, she was public, she expressed her opinions, she spoke at rallies, you absolutely consciously vote for such a person, this is the difference, well, there are
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dozens of people. years are moving towards their goal, i apologize, but in the united states of america there are congressmen and senators who have been in politics since the 70s and 80s of the last century, there are some who have been in politics for 30 years, there are some who have been in politics for 30 years, yes, but there are those who went to their goal, 20 years, 30 years, 15 years, i apologize, starting from being someone's assistant, or a lowly one. member of the democratic or republican party, and now they have become a congressman or a senator, that is what i mean, you know that there are young people, these young people still go to rallies by themselves, give speeches by themselves, here is sparta, yes, she is a young politician, and she was left, that she was asked to be re-elected again, because she is a popular person in indiana, she not a veteran of politics, but
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she knows how to find... this is a very important thing that we also forget all the time that america, like the big european union, is a united states, you need to find a common language not with some abstract american like that as here it is necessary to find a common language first of all with ukrainian, no, you need to find a common language with people in indiana, in oregon, in california, in new york and these are different languages, completely different political languages, and when a person knows how. of course, her party needs her, society needs her, and she can be very strange, but maybe her voters are strange, well, by the way, about one more senator, if we have already mentioned senators, andriy derkach, he was a people's deputy of ukraine, you have to google how many convocations there are, but many convocations, he became a senator, a senator or a member of the federation council. in
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russia, from the astrakhan region, a person who was essentially one of the apologists of the russian church in ukraine, a person who essentially promoted this russian peace in ukraine, and also a person who became famous in general for all these russian connections, or not most of all, mr. vitaly, what kind of phenomenon is this and why derkach to putin, well, it is clear that after andriy derkach fled from... the country to russia, he could lie down, he could become a conditional there like that yanukovych, but we see that he, in fact, in essence, how to say it, reincarnated from one policy, from one political reality, into another political reality, what kind of a member of the federation council in russia is this a political pension, i am only very surprised that, say, a senator from the zaporizhzhia region ,
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this is dima ragozin, and the senator from... i don't think at all that andriy derkach had to sink to the bottom somewhere, agents sink to the bottom, they have fulfilled their mission, no one needs them anymore. and the agents of the chekists always behave like this: well, you got your 30 silver coins, go away rest, feed the ostriches, and the officer who did the work all the time, he should receive an award, well, look, andrii logovy, the person who was found guilty by the british court of murdering lytvynenko, he is also a member of the state duma of the russian federation, a very active deputy, this not the federation council.
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