this is dima ragozin, and the senator from the astrakhan region is andriy derkach, why not the other way around, why was derkachan made a member of the federation council from some occupied country, and why what is it for the drk at all, or i can explain to you why, because dima rogozin is an fsb agent , andriy derkach is an officer of the fsb, these people were beaten by various reports, even in such a situation, i do not think that andriy derkach had to lie down somewhere, agents lie down, they fulfilled their mission. no one needs them anymore, and agents of the chekists always behave like this, well, you he got his 30 silver coins there, go to yourself, rest, feed the ostriches, and the officer who did the work all the time should receive an award, well, look, andrii logovy, the person who was found guilty by the british court of murdering lytvynenko, he is also a member of the state duma of the russian federation, a very active deputy, this is not a federal council.

because he was a member of the verkhovna rada, who all the time advocated pro-russian narratives, no, he was the owner of this tv company era and radio era, these were the main voices, as you remember, next to the fifth channel of the orange revolution, he was then a deputy from the motherland, well, maybe it was necessary, but you don't think that he changed so suddenly. as they say, you

understand how to say it, right, the image or tasks can be different, and then i will tell you more, i was with andriy derkach in a studio in kyiv, there were not many of us there, four people, he invited us savik shuster on his own initiative, when there was a story with tuzla, that is, there was a moscow studio there, there were people from this side with patriotic views, such as andriy derkazhe. was then the main patriot of it of all times and people, he advocated at that time, if you find this program in the archive, you will see how andrii derkach, but we understand that it was all just a game, and he needed the escalation of this conflict at that time, to put kuchma in an uncomfortable position, that is, he was in the national-democratic camp all the time, and then, when they decided that they already had everything in their pockets, he revealed himself early. then in

the regional camp he performed tasks, but his most important task was history with the compromising of baidan and poroshenko, and it was once again a hook, the russians were trying all the time to catch the completely inexperienced ukrainian government on some hook so that it would like it, but they knew there, let's say, that zelensky had a personal hatred for poroshenko, this is not a special secret, i think that i am not revealing any secrets here, that zelenskyi shakes when he mentions poroshenko, i don't know. why, it is difficult for me to understand, because i believe that the succession of power in a democratic country excludes such and such behavior, but on the other hand, trump did not come to biden's inauguration, we no longer live in such conditions, so it is zelensky's right, but we are not talking about it now, so they understand that if someone releases some tapes that will make it possible if zelensky and his entourage have something bad to say about poroshenko, they will definitely take advantage of it, despite the fact that poroshenko's interlocutor is biden.

which means they will compromise biden and, on the one hand, create problems for the relationship between zelenskyi and biden, if biden will become the president of the united states, this is also part of the preparation for war, that is , he needs to say something bad about biden, he needs to take advantage of all this himself, because the moment when the war starts, biden will in any case feel towards his personal antipathy. who can perform such a difficult task? no, not some agent dubinsky, you know that, it’s all a little thing, but a real officer with a good education, you understand, derkach graduated from the academy there, fsbshno, so he was taught all this, you understand, they teach all this, and if we look at all the forms, how they teach, they, let's say...

they study all their previous operations, they just pass them in exams, here is the operation of trusts with savink, do you remember this story, when borys savenko was lured into the soviet union, creating. a social organization abroad is ready to fight the regime like the fbk, the current one, it is very, very similar, but when you look at the activities of the fbk, from, i don’t want to say anything about the fbk, uh, but it is absolutely similar to this organization created by arbuzov and by other chekists outside the borders of soviet russia, so that lure savinkov here and generally compromise. opposition activity, because you understand that after boris lenko, who was a charismatic leader of the opposition, repented of all these sins and died, it dealt a serious blow to the anti-bolshevik opposition, which was stronger than it seems to us, because we also live in the soviet narratives of history, until now, and in this regard,

here is a wonderful story with a jerk, well, if he did all this, they evaluate it, and you did it, you did it, in principle biden would probably have a better attitude towards ukraine if it wasn't. of this story, i would have had more, i would say, more personal contact with the president of ukraine, if there was not all this wonderful story, or something else, the sumy region, ugh, he was actually his curator, also positions, remember, like the mayor of glukhovo, michel tereshchenko, ugh, he was shouting, what is happening to the sumy region under derkach's people, and what not? there were even opportunities to somehow stop it, because everyone believed that the situation was stable there, well , yes, derkach, well, a regionalist, he was not regional, he is just a statesman, and andriy always tried to make such an impression on his, so to speak, interlocutors that

this is not a question of political views, it is a question of statehood, he is such a senator, sorry, roman, not russian, because he is the son of a leader security services of ukraine, it always causes. in our conditions of the political elite , respect, you know that we have successive politicians, there are always people who are absolutely professional, absolutely skilled, and there are people who use this succession for correct activities in the question here simply in because in reality there are such scumbags, whether small or large, if we are talking about the sumy region, as an example, then we can also talk about the same year 2022, about the kharkiv region, and about the kherson region. about mykolaiv and zaporizhzhia regions, about donetsk, and let it be good, and 2013 is luhansk region, comrade, we are talking about such a very recent retrospective, and why, look, yefrimov now lives in moscow, the truth is, he is the leader of the former faction of the party regions, he was the curator of the luhansk region, he was

actually prepared the footage that contributed to her support for the russian invasion, true, but what happened to ephraim after that? because of the maidan in 2014, nothing, he headed the faction of the regions until the end of the convocation, you see, in principle, he could continue his activities as an agent for the protection of the interests of the russian federation, directly from his office in kyiv, he continued to exercise his powers until the last day of his deputy, well he not one, there really were, but this is just a bright story, there were actually a lot of them, i say again, from a young age a cog of some kind to very large ones. but here the question arises, was it, is it, that is, we have to understand the level of infiltration of russian agents in the ukrainian political, military, security structure, absolute, that is, it is clear that a large number of people have already

disappeared, but we do not know the number of agents and most importantly, sleeping agents of the russian federation, given that there was never a real rupture of the umbilical cord, another product. about this, i had a question about five minutes ago, you mentioned that derkach, he was in for some time such a democratic, supposedly person who provides platforms for freedom of speech in ukraine, yes, we mentioned the same era and yes, well, it was difficult to blame the era television and radio company at that time. in that, i apologize, there is some kind of very heavy censorship or opposition politicians are not allowed there, i also remember that, but you said one thing really, that this is a person who at some point at least demonstrated that she is a democrat,

considering on this, the following question arises: could there be such jerks, including in national-patriotic forces, then and not only then. a certain number of, that is, conditionally, as you say, sleeper agents, who, conditionally speaking, simply performed their patriotic role, since the late 80s, early 90s. our representatives of the national patriotic forces are very reluctant to talk about it, as a rule, it is an unpleasant thing for them, but taking into account the fact that in those countries where the kgb archives were actually disclosed, it suddenly turned out that the leadership of the same sayyudis at the time of independence , there are many former organizations of such organizations agents of the state security committee of the soviet union, we can conclude that such people were also there, the only thing is that they were not so much needed there for one simple reason: sayujis came to power, and... and the popular movement did not come to power, and in order to really exert some influence on the situation, as you understand,

it was necessary to be near the tower of power, that is why all these tobacconists, who could also play the role of a national democrat, but they immediately oriented themselves and understood that their agent activity was necessary continue where you are first of all, you have access to financial flows, and secondly, where you can influence the decisions of the ukrainian authorities, and what you can steal from the people's movement, like some things, conditionally speaking, that is, no... there was no such interest. yes, in fact, a very interesting topic, and here, i think, maybe in the future we will learn something more. and, of course, unfortunately, in ukrainian politics so far, we observe those people who, even now in the verkhovna rada, who until 2014 and until 2022, simply... were spreading russian narratives, but they still in the verkhovna rada of ukraine, but this is

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going to be talking about, actually, you're all watching. but after what happened in lebanon at the beginning of this week, suddenly hundreds of pagers, hundreds of different gadgets, later, after a few days, began to explode in various representatives of the terrorist hezbollah, and 37 dead, well, this is the minimum, this is the minimum, we cannot know in fact, because the lebanese authorities can hardly even... purely theoretically report the real number, more than 300 wounded, there, in particular, there are representatives of iran, among the wounded, in particular the ambassador, yes, there are a lot of people in iran who have lost an eye, in particular, there are people who have lost their sight, yes, or their sight has been damaged, their eyes have been

damaged, well, in particular, western publications say that pagers in... full pagers and other gadgets were waiting for this team, some media reported that such an operation was being prepared for about 15 years, whether it is true or not, we will never know, or we will know only after some time, but from some other book about the massad, yes it is possible, but on the other hand, well, this is something new, this is something completely new level is something that was not expected. eh, what was expected in general: missiles, drones, some, some explosions, what actually happened here, in fact, today turns the whole idea of ​​such a concept as modern war, as security, a modern, modern security system, in particular in the middle east, but i would

say here that it concerns not only the near east now, it concerns the whole world now. and now everyone, well, a terrorist and not only a terrorist, will pick up his gadget and be afraid, maybe not only a terrorist, i mean, a terrorist and not only a terrorist, any a person will now be afraid, by the way, this is being actively discussed, including on russian television, now i have already seen it, if we are talking about at least this block, no no... for now, let's not rush into a full-fledged war, and this block of what happened in lebanon, this special operation, these explosions, these pagers, these gadgets, in your opinion, how much will this generally affect the general security system, on the general fear of different representatives, different states, and

what is this will change in our world and in... world politics. well, by the way, this we need to start talking about it from a technological point of view, because what you have drawn is to some extent a utopia, and here you have the production of an iphone, which, this is the iphone you have, yes, it is made in china, but one way or another it is controlled by a company , the manufacturer, and it is responsible for your safety, it is an american company, well, in principle, now this american company should think about... whether it should transfer the production of iphones to india and taiwan, well, as far as i understand, some of the details are already transferred to india, there somehow, of course, because this is a huge risk now for her, because in principle, the chinese special services, as it turns out, can install anything in such a gadget, if, if you can not find explosives, then you can not

find anything, so imagine well, we understand that it's not just there that hezbollah bought some... pagers for their fighters and just, you know, brought a box to the new post office, and come on guys, come, ahmet, here's to you, abdullah, here's to you, mahmoud, here you are, and yes and no, there is a special one the service, by the way, which works with the iranians, in iran, the special services are very strong, which checks all this 150,000 times before you give it to anyone for wiretapping, for... the existence of bugs, the existence of explosives, everything, and they are nothing i didn’t find anything, i didn’t even understand where they bought it from, some say from hungary, others say from bulgaria, others say from... taiwan is endless, it’s like the iphone, where was it installed, in china or in america, so the first thing we have to do, we have to

move production, and now everyone is talking about it will think, i think that now the owner of apple will be met in the cia and in the pentagon, tell him, listen, do you want to explode yourself, or do you want us to explode, let's choose, we will all explode here together, let's relocate the production , because... sooner or later whether it will happen is not a matter of one day, but in a couple of years you have to do it once, but imagine that you have not an iphone but a huawei, you will definitely have it if do you have such a specific democratic position, or are you an employee of some democratic special service? country, and you took this android made in china, i will not give a hryvnia for your life and safety. so what are we approaching? we definitely understand that if we are in this part of the world, we can only use equipment made in the west or with countries that are allies

of the west, gives full control of production, south korea, if we are in this part of the world where russia and china are, then this means that any iphone can at any moment either explode or transmit some information about you, you don't know until the end that you can go there insert. so we are approaching a world where ideally every country should use technologies of its own production, and the entire production process should take place within the framework of one country or a block of countries, this is the only possibility, not that there are any compromising files to transfer about you, it's a chance to survive, you know, because someone, if someone, will pass on some photos that your wife or mother-in-law won't like. on the television screen, as was the case with prosecutor general skuratov, russian, it is certainly unpleasant, but after that they don't die, they retire, they live, but if you have

a leg or an arm torn off, it's a different situation, and you were a procurator general or an ambassador before that, here's a great example for you, i'm an ambassador and i don't have an eye, so that i used the walkie-talkie, i did not violate any security rules, which in principle should have been applied to a diplomat of my rank, well, it's just that... the usual disaster in this regard, the israeli special services, if it's them, let's say so, because they won't admit it , they opened a really new, new chapter in human history, which means technological separation, and it will continue, we will live in such a dystopia in the next 5-6 years, because first there will be circulations, pagers, then mobile phones, other devices, some technology that is in the headquarters will go. apartments of special services, all this will explode, burn, it will simply be part of a completely different war. so, this is the first moment,

the second moment, well, by and large , the question now is how the situation will develop, because everyone is always afraid of a big war in the middle east, that not only hawass, but also hezbollah will be a real part of this war and everyone is afraid that it will happen now. well , you need to understand a simple thing, we already talked about it at the beginning of our program, haisbala can say as many times as you want that she will take revenge on israel, but in order to take revenge, you need to have the potential, this is exactly the same story as with the strikes on iran, we understand that, in principle, hezbollah is not the most numerous terrorist organization in the world, because iran and lebanon do not have a large population, that that will make it fail. such a number of people, these are people first of all, where else to take them, they need to be recruited, taught, given the right, without

fear that they too will explode, this is also not clear, and this is all a huge problem, so what to say that it is urgent it will be difficult to say the answer, now regarding israel's position, well, we were already waiting for one urgent answer, and in fact, maybe... because there is of course a need for hezbollah to stop terrorizing the north of israel, from the north of israel, from cities like kir' people of barley, but also of smaller ones such as metula, were evacuated. kiryachmala is by our standards. well , an ordinary district center, well less a district center, there is no population there at all, those people who live there, those people who did not want to leave, but they are a significant minority, it is basically developed into a city with... er highways, with

enterprises , with hotels, well, a city, well, it’s a typical, typical, relatively speaking, an urban-type village, of the european model, and of course, well, it’s no different in europe, we understand well a village or a small city in many parameters from a large one, well well, i'm just thinking, i, i, i was in kiryat chmon, lived next to it for several weeks, so i can imagine the dimensions. i just want to understand what it is, but now let's see what it compares to in terms of scale, well, i think, not with regional centers, probably ukrainian, we have large regional centers, not with, well , with a city like a warbler, well, roughly, this i don’t know, maybe, well, sokali

is probably this type of city, and imagine that all the residents of this city, well, we have such a thing, by the way, we have such an evacuation from glukhov, this is completely parallel to things, gluhiv is such a city, they tell me that the population is 22, well, this is a typical, typical district center, and all the people who live there, there are 2,000, relatively speaking, they live now in hotels, with relatives, with acquaintances, this is not very good for the israeli government, because. .. this is not the gas sector, next to it, next to the left, and this means that they cannot provide a normal life for these people, i remember very well that during my first trip to israel in 96, it seems, if i am not mistaken, but in 1996, representatives of the ministry of foreign affairs of israel specially drove me and my colleagues to the cordo. and

one such border was the border with lebanon. and they said that you see, it is absolutely peaceful here. but i said: "listen, it's a conditional peace, because the israeli army is in southern lebanon." what does a peaceful border mean, you can cross it, and there will be peace there too, because there is an army there, if you remove the army from here, but then the army left, and the peace continued, i already came, relatively speaking, to drink coffee in metula, on the very border of lebanon and israel. already when there was no lebanese israeli army in lebanon at all, and this one part of it was actually controlled by hezbollah, now in metula, as you understand, you can’t drink coffee, it’s still drinking coffee in kupinsk, in kupinsk or maybe even yes, well in kupinsk, yes, a good, good comparison, the city is literally burning down, that means it must somehow be stopped, because you still understand that

it is not just about security, a certain symbolism, all these cities, and mytula, and well, the towns, and kiryat shmona, this is one of the first settlements in the territory former mandated palestine. israel defense forces museum, there where it was born, is 10 km from kirya chmona. that is, it was the territory on which they began to ensure the institutional. the weight of power structures and security, realistically, is another issue, because we understand that hezbollah is a much more serious structure than hamas, because hamas relies exclusively on the infrastructure of the gas sector, and hezbollah relies on the infrastructure of the lebanese state, it is more serious, than the gas sector, and hezbollah is,