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that cause a resonance in our society, this is the question of trump's victory, what it is, an analysis of the processes that change the country and each of us. what else can the russians do, are they able to use, let's say, the resources of the lukashenka army allied with them. vitaliy portnikov and the guests of the project, read the entire review, accept my singing, thank you, it was difficult, but i was just interested, but it is absolutely not cool, they help to understand the present and... predict the future was offered to the united states conclude a bilateral security agreement with us. project for those who care and think politklub every sunday at 20:00 at espresso. good health once again. again i will
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good health, mr. oleh, thank you for your time for us, thank you, well, let's look at france first, well, ukrainians, as far as i understand, should be satisfied, because we, the minister of the armed forces remained in his position, he is a friend of ukraine, the minister of foreign affairs, also remained in his position. or not, there is a new one, but he is also a friend of ukraine, jean noel barot, and if the ukrainians should be satisfied, president macron should be satisfied, well, i see that everyone should be satisfied, to all the sisters, as our great friends say russians, please, mr. oleg, based on the situation as it looks now, in principle we have no, i would say, reasons to be dissatisfied, in the sense... in the sense that
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the position of the president, they have shaken, but in principle they are now more or less stable, and the minister of defense, whom you mentioned, remained in his place, and baro, who before that was the deputy minister of foreign affairs, responsible for european affairs, became a minister, but most importantly... the fact that the president still has the greatest influence on foreign policy issues, and judging by everything, the position of france, which is generally favorable for ukraine, has not changed. along with what i've said so far, we'll see how stable, twisted the positions of this will be. government, will it be a government for
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a long time, since this government will not have an absolute majority, and to a large extent its endurance, its ability to be a government will depend on the position of the national assembly, that is, it is already clear that eh... the left coalition will probably impose a vote of no confidence and it depends on what will be the position of the national assembly of lipinists, whether the majority will receive this vote of no confidence or not, and accordingly, whether there will be a need for macron and the french parliament as a whole to form a new government, that is, the situation here... remains
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uncertain, and it will obviously become clearer after the prime minister approves the declaration on the new program. government and it will be seen what the reaction to this declaration is, first of all from the side of the national assembly, and who benefits from a vote of no confidence, who is so irresponsible that he is ready to question it at all, well, when a vote of no confidence is passed, it is a parliamentary government crisis, it is again it takes many months, as i understand, to figure it out, appoint, agree. and so on and so on, and there are such irresponsible people who are not at all interested in the fate of france, let's vote a vote of no confidence and see what happens next, or on the contrary, these are people who understand that if they vote for a vote of no confidence, then the french are second one day they will start to be treated with
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suspicion, that's what i would say, please, well , let's say it doesn't work in a straight line, that is, the french. first of all, she is interested in whether the government will provide stability and whether it will provide correspondingly purchasing power, these are the main points, well at least in words, and now, by the way, there is trust in the partner, that is, the question is how much it will be preserved, and secondly, we all understand that politics, well, the matter is so cynical, and everyone talks about the need for stability, about... . cares about the average citizen, but is guided above all by its political ambitions, its political plans, the bloc of left parties is absolutely ready to vote against the government, they have already announced this, and they have started
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the process of removing them from office, which has no chance for the success of the president, that is it is quite logical that and that's not... they will pass, but the position of the national assembly, it is really not defined enough now, there is a statement that they will be determined depending on what the program and actions of the government will be, how far it will correspond their idea of ​​what french politics should be, on the other hand there are more categorical statements, we already heard about this yesterday, that this government does not correspond to the results of the elections and thus the attitude towards it of a number of such key figures from the national assembly is negative but
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lupin's position will definitely be decisive. and there is one more question that popped up literally today, i didn't even know about it and... i didn't guess, and few people talked about it, ex-now ex-prime minister atal turned out to have parents, girlfriends or , well, in short, has some relatives from ukraine, and and whether, is it true, is it really possible to find some somewhere, i don’t know how true it is, well, let’s assume that it is true, but me every time, well, i would said yes, such almost infantile joy is surprising our fellow citizens. to worry about where this and that political figure blinken from kyiv comes from, you can also mention others, and, as we can see, on their position, this, well, may affect on an emotional level, but it definitely does not affect their actions, because i already had
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a discussion about this with one of the espresso commenters, i think, and mentioned a movie that i really liked, golda about goldumey, when she invited the then secretary of state to her place and told him the kisser and told him that after all you henry, don't forget who you are, he said, and i am first of all an american, and only then i am a jew, that is, in any case , a key... political figure of this or that country will act according to what is the policy of his leader, that is, what is the policy or the president of the united states, or in this case the president of france and
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the prime minister. yes, but for the sake of a joke , i'll just remind you that kissenger responded to this, or rather goldo-meir's words to kissinger, that i first, and then she said about... in our hebrew, they read from the other side, so for us you are first of all a jew, only then the secretary of state, he said to develop this topic, i did not say it, but in principle. if you look at nadiij, they are mainly defined by the fact that he is an american, yes, without a doubt, and we will talk about america right now and how much we, well, look, i somehow have this plan for victory, zelenskyi brought the plan for victory, i would have gotten a little confused, because what used to be a secret is now, on the contrary, being made public, as it was before the russian attack on ukraine. america said so we have intelligence data that they will attack, and this has never happened before, now
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the ukrainians are going to america, i say, we will show you and make public the victory plan, i am sitting thinking, yes, that now putin will know all our moves and and and and to know how to prevent a ukrainian victory, i got a little confused here, can you explain this rather intense propaganda of what we have... a plan, we will now show it and win the war, well, that is, as a kind of, well, i would say, a pr move, statement of our president, she has the right to life that we we are sure of our victories, indeed, for us it is without alternative, because the choice, of course, is almost manichean between good and evil, at the same time we must understand what is obvious. such statements will not
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have a decisive impact on biden, because i understand that we would like to see biden leave such a very, well, legacy that is very necessary, very right and very necessary for us and for... of the entire democratic world in order to increase aid to ukraine and, in particular, remove all restrictions on the provision of weapons and their using. at the same time, what we see now, unfortunately, indicates that after all , biden, as he said in his speech during the announcement that he was withdrawing from the presidential race, his main, one of his major accomplishments, he sees that... that the united states is not involved in some kind of armed
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conflict for the first time in 100 years, and i think that, unfortunately, will determine his approach to dealing with issues related to the country's aid. i really, i emphasize, would really like to be wrong, but so far the logic is exactly that, and we saw this during the trip of the british prime minister to the united states, and together with ... i hope that after all, biden will remember his statement that we are now at war a turning point in international relations is also a turning point, and international politics and international relations for the coming decades will largely depend on what decisions will be made, this is absolutely correct, well, one should not just say it, but do exactly that, and something can to change after the first tuesday, after the first monday of november. months of a leap year, and here i am, well, we
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will leave trump out of the box, because if anyone had any hopes that trump would suddenly do something unexpected and pleasant for us after the statements of trump and especially vance, this is the interpretation of trump's position, they have significantly decreased, if not completely disappeared, as for ... the possible victory of garis, it seems to me that we will mainly get a continuation of biden's policy, firstly, secondly, after all, it is not so focused on russia in the confrontation with russia, like biden, who, after all, is to some extent a person of the cold war period in the sense that this is a period of resistance to the containment of russia, and thirdly, it seems to me that she will
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concentrate more on domestic policy issues, and if we look at one option, is completely unfavorable for us, and this option, which is a continuation of baytin's policy, one conclusion can be drawn from this, we need to do much more in order to rebuild the whole... the whole life of the country on military lines and seriously strengthen our efforts, even as they say, because i can't, it should be done by the government as well. and to our society, thank you very much, oleg shamshur, diplomat, ambassador of ukraine to the united states, 5-10 years, ambassador of ukraine to france, 14-20 years, thank you very much, now we fly from the atlantic coast, as to russia, no matter how someone likes it or not, because
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oleksandr shulga, doctor of sociological sciences, native of the institute of conflict studies and analysis, who would you think, right? russia, they have just done a study, such a comprehensive analysis of the institution of this of conflict studies and analysis of russia, engaged an artificial intelligence about the reaction of russians to the events in the kursk region, and now the war has come to their territory, and what they think about this, mr. oleksandr shulga will tell us a bit more, you word, what are you doing there found in the heads of the russians, please. congratulations, thank you for the invitation, i'm always happy to be on the air with you, so what, we wanted to see how the first - weeks, several weeks of the kurdish operation, that is, from the sixth to the 24th of august, and how the russians reacted on social networks, how
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the residents themselves reacted, precisely the residents of the kursk region in the local public, and how about it... the propaganda reacted, well, first of all, our conclusion, if we summarize our results very briefly, is that in addition to the fact that the civilian population had panic, misunderstanding, it is clear, it was impossible not to conduct an analysis here, but it was really russian propaganda, she cursed, and for several days she was paralyzed, this is an important indicator, you know, which on... well, in principle, gives an understanding of how much time in we have, conditionally speaking, corresponding actions at the new the new kurdish operation, for example, the bryansk operation, the crimean operation or some other operations, i.e. for a few days everything is in abeyance and everyone is waiting for what the superiors will say, and accordingly the crisis
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management, the first days, it is very, very bad, and in principle we can say, what is this... a trend, let's remember prigozhin's rebellion. the next, actually interesting conclusion is that propaganda, it, after this incantation, it, well, let's put it this way, its red line became the fact that it began concrete criticisms not of the abstract power there in moscow or the federal government, no... for a specific municipal or regional government of the kurt region, in fact, they have already started to replace putin himself in the business and with quite a few of them, you know, not what is in the video, what do you, you don't know, you don't they report the truth, in fact, that he knows everything, and he does nothing, and a lot of bad epithets, after that
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, in fact, it was not propaganda, because propaganda is still some... narratives, counter-narratives, some still interpretations, they just stupidly started to disable comments, work with administrators and to threaten wars against bloggers who also wrote such very critical comments, i.e. there was no time to react with propaganda, they simply turned on censorship, and we see that the attack on putin himself was actually in favor even there. well, we registered tens, maybe under a hundred of such critical comments, but as soon as they started to appear, then censorship was turned on, and there are no such comments in public access, only thanks to the fact that this is software, it downloads such a comment cache, it just stores all of that,
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records, we could see these comments, in public access you will no longer see them. well , such, that is, accordingly, this topic, just the slightest mention of putin himself, it is very painful for russian propaganda and they are very shaken by this image of putin himself as sacred. mr. oleksandr, i have the following question for you: look, today i was just reading and listening to russians, russian sociologists, they seem like a good russian, there are good russian sociologists, they are very interesting. whether you confirm it or not, they say there is a gradual transition from non-recognition of war as such, people simply avoided it. the first two years of the war, and even 2 and a half, were just thoughts, no talk about the war, just thoughts, they did not admit to themselves that the war was going on. now, they say, these
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so-called good russian sociologists, they are already russians in the majority admit, at least to themselves, to members of their families, that we have a war, they say, what we have known about since february 24, to them gradually, not not immediately, but it began to dawn on me, what do you say about this? i understand who you are talking about, it is the chronicles extreme scan, who recently conducted a study, indeed, they talk about the awareness of this war, the awareness of the war, as they say in russian, i would partially agree, i would say that this is not just an awareness, it is an actual understanding of what war is not easy. it is coming, it has already reached your house, to or is about to reach, it is more important, and also the actual ukrainian task
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of ukraine, actually in this scaling, well, that is, the residents of kurshchyna, the residents of bilhorodshchyna, they understood this already in the 23rd, and kurshchyna in the 24th, and in fact, these are already separate regions understood, and accepted and passed. there are several stages there from acceptance to anger and so on, so the task of ukraine now is to scale this awareness, if we use the russian term, and the fact that it must be finished, because it is not just an awareness, but an understanding of what it can do for me personally touch, even though neither i, nor my relatives, nor my loved ones are combatants. and this is much more important, and actually this, it seems to me, should stand in the argumentation, well, that is, zelensky is right to shake out a long-range plan for us weapons, but this is one of the elements that ukraine
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is trying to scale this acceptance and kinetic, not just some kind of economic, isolation, you can't go there, kinetic, here you open the window, and there is a mushroom, like that... in tykharetsk, like in toroptka, you go to bed, ah, anxiety, under the window, well, what you and i have been feeling for a long time and constantly live, this is what russians should understand, and this scaling, it seems to me, is what zelensky brought, i think that, well, we, we haven't seen it yet, but it should be there, scaling for the russians the kinetic effects of the war, so that they understand it, i... in moscow, yes, just as they already understand it in belgorod region, they should understand it in moscow, in the kemerovo region, in arkhang, to the very outskirts, there was
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such a song, oh moscow to the very outskirts, i have one more question, exactly six minutes, it is difficult, but in my opinion important, there is an internal discussion in russia, i am convinced that the majority of ukrainians have not even heard of this discussion, it is not a discussion, it's a fight, a quarrel and... to put it mildly, well, just like that something extremely dangerous, i mean, some oppositionists are very critical, to put it mildly, of other oppositionists, it's all happening outside of russia and so on, and so on, i would like to share my mind with you very briefly, you tell me whether or not i may be wrong, i had the impression that russia as a political unit does not exist after these quarrels. why? because they do not have power in the modern sense of the word, well, because they have monarchical power, but there is no monarchy, yes, well, it is somehow, well, it is no longer power, if
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it is in the 21st century, but there was hope that there is an opposition, now one part of the opposition says that you kill people, and the other part says that you either kill or lie, and thus there is no opposition either, then the question is whether ?... to exist a society, a state, a country where there is no government and no opposition, i kind of just thought that this really leads to this, or am i wrong, well, the fact that the russian opposition, this quarrel, is only a manifestation the process that one part of the opposition is trying to carry out in relation to all others, that is, in fact this... the authoritarian style of thinking in the russian opposition is still preserved, at least in the part that calls itself the fbk, the followers of navalny
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and... his wife and the rest of this fbk team, that is, they believe that everyone else, that is, they on the most like this, their coat is the whitest, and accordingly all the others, here our leader died for all of you, therefore all the others must swear allegiance to us, all those who do not swear, they are actually well, well, not the opposition, and therefore when they received it from the fsb, well, that's it... in fact, everyone admits that they received this drain from the fsb, then they did not, in fact, did not restrain themselves and accordingly started this quarrel in order to suppress khodorkovsky, not nevzelin, they are interested in khodorkovsky in particular, and in this way, once again, to scoop up the entire opposition under themselves and say that there is no russian opposition , there is only fbk, fbk equals russian opposition, putin equals russia, and fbk equals russian.
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position, therefore, this is, well, this is an understandable process, and therefore, actually, nothing will work out for them, i mean, in general, the russian opposition, and therefore you and i are against them, well, especially not, no we calculate mr. oleksandr, one question, well, this is a catch-up, this is already the second, in fact, from an emotional point of view, when i listened to what they were saying to each other, i clearly and completely understood that they hate each other much more than putin. that the enemy somehow , when navalny was there, you have to give him credit, it was clear from his speeches that he does not like putin, and these, when navalny died, they do not like their opponents in the opposition, and not putin, i think about putin in general, they somehow forgot, they they are looking for among their own people there, what happened in the 90s, how my billionaires became billionaires, who stole what from whom, who
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from whom... rabinovych and so on and so on, and you sit and watch, wait, you have the enemy, who is putin or nevzlin, do you have an enemy, putin or navalny, hello, well, for ukrainians this is a strange situation, and if friendship is imposed on us, and this is done by the russian opposition, we must unite with the ukrainians, but you want for you and i to help overthrow putin or nevzlin, hello? well, a few positions, the first one, well, we know that it is intraspecific the struggle is the most brutal, secondly, they, unfortunately, all suffer from learned helplessness, well, that is, they, putin, you understand, putin is he somewhere over there, where they will never go anywhere in the near future, and the competitors are also behind border, here they are, and accordingly the competition for who will be, who will be
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accepted... mother biden or who will be accepted in the european parliament or eventually at some conference, for example, the munich one, who will be the head of the opposition, you or the one which, which we hate, so you know, putin very much far, actually other oppositionists who compete with you for attention, well actually, whether they will accept you or him, they are here, so we have to deal with them now, well, this will be a great answer someday, i didn’t think so, but it’s interesting , yes, really interesting, thank you to mr. oleksandr shurzii, doctor of sociological sciences, head of the institute of conflict studies and analysis of russia, we will talk to you more often, because i am personally always interested in russia. thank you, mr. oleksandr, we continue to insist on what is needed funds for drones, a charging station for reconnaissance of the third regiment of special operations forces, which
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are located. near chasovoyyar, and right there in donetsk region, they are destroying our enemies. uavs will help to further destroy the enemies and save the lives of our defenders. donat will increase your donat will increase the effectiveness of actions against the enemy. the goal is uah 890,000. join, you can see the details on the screen. that's right . so we're saying goodbye now, but we'll see each other in 15 minutes. when it's about... the continuation of this broadcast, it's like this: ukraine will take first place in the world in terms of population mortality, the first place in terms of emigration of people from the country and the last in terms of birth rate. this is fresh data provided by the cia. the world is reacting to the demographic crisis in ukraine, which was the result of russian aggression. what, instead, the ukrainian government? she is mainly engaged in pr. announced the creation of the ministry of return of ukrainians. and it looks like it's from...

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