to me, it seems to me that this situation, which is important now from the point of view of public opinion leaders, is complicated by the fact that the republican party is simply afraid to argue with donald trump and those who are his, those who are around him, that's the problem , we understand that many people who are the leaders of the republicans, they have an absolutely clear, understandable value system, let's say mitch mcconnell, he basically said what... you told olga about what was before the second world war, about how they were american politicians, isolationists, who somehow did not allow american society to function, a famous person, there is literally a hero of aviation, and who was simply a fascist, or joseph, or joseph, joseph kennedy, open supporters of hitler, who did not hide, they said, yes, hitler is beautiful.

viewers of his channel in the former twitter, where musk gave him the opportunity to continue doing what he is doing, 8 million is a lot, even, even for a country like america, where on... the population is about 340 million. 8 million is a lot, that's a lot of people who are being poisoned by this misinformation. in this regard, of course, it is very important for us to understand, in principle, how ukraine should act here, because one way or another, we are used to the fact that ukraine is in the american media by itself, american journalists come and tell, er, what is happening in ukraine and in principle here. these are serious

american media, they themselves create ukraine's reputation, we don't need to do anything, we just need to fight there, we we need to protect our country, we need to do everything possible for how the situation in the country is changing, but we see that this is not the case, that only with american efforts we cannot change the image of ukraine in the american media, here is the question. what should be the action plan? mr. vitaly, it is necessary as much as possible for ukraine to be present in american media, in this sense your english-language youtube channel can play a very important role, but more is needed, more is needed, it is necessary that it is necessary, i don’t know whether it is necessary or whether the channel was always there, constantly an english-language ukrainian channel on which true information would be spread, look, today is sunday, i had time to watch a little tv in the morning, i will give you...

one link to cnn, now i will give another, this is the program of farid zakaria, a very famous journalist, an internationalist, he is interviewing the un secretary general, teverich, he asks such a question that simply infuriates me, absolutely, he says, mr. secretary general, what do you think about the russian-ukrainian war, but ukraine will not be able to liberate all her territories, to her we will have to deal with the territories, so how can we do it so that, well, this is a journalist, a well-known journalist. it's good that at least huterich answered him very decently that there is international law, and there can be no compromises regarding international law, that peace can be restored only on the basis of international law, that of course each country can decide what it does with our territories, but we, as international nations, can never, will not be able to agree that one country can.

to occupy another's territory, that's what i'm up to american journalist in this case, how deep is the misunderstanding of the essence of things, the essence of things, here is farid zakaria, who thinks that this is a war about territories, about donetsk or luhansk region or about crimea, here is a journalist, internationalist, author of many books, popular, by the way a person in american in the midst of american spectators, that is demonstrating. complete lack of understanding of what is happening, despite the fact that he was in ukraine a week ago, we must give him credit, he met with president zelensky for half an hour, here the question is a person, who had the opportunity to access all prominent speakers, communication with them did not convince him, yes, and how they communicated with him at that time , moreover, moreover, it is very, by the way, good that zelensky gave him an interview in english this time without translators, that is, he... in fact, it

allowed zelensky to address the american audience, because it is very important when emotions are conveyed without a translator, there are accents, and maybe... some phrases are not very well formed, do not have meaning, in america they are very tolerant of this, but ukraine needs to be on the american airwaves as much as possible, but ukrainian speakers who speak english fluently should just try to be on the airwaves of american tv channels and be published in leading newspapers such as nu, our embassy there is generally present in the airwaves, not very often now, you know, i can't say that i watch tv post. well , i just don't have time for it, but before oksana markarova was more frequent and at least invited to the ethers on cnn, msnbc, she gave interviews, i haven't seen her there for a long time, and i i think that war is becoming a commonplace, although on

the other hand, if war is becoming a commonplace, why does farit zakari go to kyiv, if war is a commonplace, then it is obvious that a journalist of such a rank may not come to the ukrainian capital either to or from, by the way , to other places, he also met. with the military, not only with the president, very different people, it was a big mission that cn really, cnn really covered the war in ukraine, it was really important, the fact that the last broadcast last sunday was completely devoted to ukraine, he and hosted from kyiv, half of the programs there were interviews with zelenskyi, but i am surprised that farid zakaria, even after all these meetings he had, even after all these interviews he conducted. he has , from what he asked the un secretary general today, it appears that he has an absolute lack of understanding of the essence of the conflict, even though the president of the united states and the secretary of state of the united states have repeated many times what, what is the essence of this war, that russia

simply wants to destroy ukraine, wipe it off the map the world, and ferid zaharia understands that this is a war for territory, that is, for who will own the donetsk region. well, it's actually very unfortunate that an experienced american journalist doesn't understand such and such things and that he publishes vtr, well, and what he asked the general secretary , it just amazes me. thank you, thank you, mr. igor, igor eisenberg was with us in this program, and olga len and i will continue our conversation in just a few minutes. and what do you think about lakakalut fix? reliably fixes, my dentist advised me, even particles of food do not get under the prosthesis, and the price is good, the right choice for my pension, lacalus fix is ​​a new cream for extra strong fixation of dentures and healthy gums,

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we continue the politlub program on the espresso tv channel, our colleague roman tsimbalyuk, a journalist and former blasskovar agency of russia, has joined us, congratulations mr. roman, hello, and olga elen, a journalist, is with us. the chronicle of information war program on espresso tv channels, well, we are talking about what to do with russian propaganda, in fact,

how it has changed during all this time, i will tell you that you in moscow watched how these people generally lost some, i would say, even hints on a human image, well , you see, under the formulation that you have been doing eight years, someone ba bombil bombas, someone was engaged in the fascisization of russian society, and in this case they have achieved very great... achievements and achievements, it seems to me that everyone admits, at the moment even they themselves, but what about them to fight, well, everything is very simple, enemy transmitters must be excluded, enemies must be called enemies, so that later we do not sulk in ukraine that when a deputy of this convocation, it seems, even later becomes a senator from the astrakhan region in the russian federation, yes, this is a wonderful story in general, well i'm just to the point... that when you, when the state does not perform its basic functions, including in the area of ​​security, there are all counterintelligence

activities, well, in general, experts know that it's all very connected, information security is safety in such an aspect as me said, in principle, if we talk about all these people, yes, who later ended up in moscow, then we are talking about russian propaganda, and russian propaganda is sitting here in kyiv, i am not talking about the number of russian tv stations. channels that influenced the ukrainian audience, i’m not talking about a few nicknames, pro-russian tv channels that influenced ukrainian ones, i ’m not talking about our colleagues who worked for medvedchuk, and now great patriots on a telethon, here you can even not here it is necessary to call the novel by the last name, because this, well, they corrected themselves, if they were taken for a marathon, taken for a marathon, well then, well, let's call it another way, this is the stage of the nation's coming of age. well, the price is what it is, and is the approval of collaborationism as a norm of behavior? and what is this? well, you have to call

a spade a spade, i said right away with my main thesis that information security is such a complex thing, because when there are enemy transmitters and everyone knows how much money they work for, everyone pretends that this is the norm, but then this is not the norm and... they have many questions are regulated by the political will of the state, it seems to me, and in fact we have done a lot in this regard so far. well, of course someone switched to the telethon, but we're sure they've changed their minds, right? not everyone, not everyone is convinced, not everyone has changed, well, that's the problem, recently one of my good friends, a well-known journalist, wrote to me and said that she was invited on the air to uh, one of our colleagues, who

she was famous for her pro-russian narratives, and now she is a patriot, and she says, well, is it worth it talk to her? you can talk, but you just have to know about her position, and where she was, and who she served all her life, well, what about it, how can i say, but she legitimately has a reputation on the ukrainian airwaves, everyone has forgotten about her the past, by the way, when the next elections are held, the russian factor will still be there, there will be forces here that will drown for russian money, and with a high probability people who, like us , will drown for russian money, but they will not they will already be... openly pro-russian, that is why will they position themselves differently, that they are true patriots, well , i am a clear patriot, yes, this is politics, you know, i would like this phenomenon to be at the level of conventional france, there is also a circle of friends there, but what don't affect any decisions, but if they switch back to

this side to the black side, it will mean that my assumption that they... have changed, will be broken, by the way, we will talk about france in this broadcast , and now let's talk about germany, we have oleksandr golubov in touch, analysts, journalists, etc. mr. oleksandr, congratulations, good evening, mr. roman believes that people who promote pro-russian narratives are marginalized in the west, but to be honest, i do not have such confidence before, by the way, just on the day of these elections in brandenburg, that there is such a big margin. ization of the forces that do not hesitate to go to the russian embassy on a holiday? well, i would say so, the rumors about the marginalization of pro-russian forces in the west are greatly exaggerated, but to be more specific, they are not, because with

on the one hand, if we are talking about pro-russian forces, then people who are sitting. wearing caps of the soviet army and singing some soviet songs on tv shows, well, in fact , they are not present in the western information space, unlike the people who once did it on ukrainian television, but now they are, now they are, as mr. vitaly says , great patriots on another ukrainian television, but if we return to the pro-russian forces. russianness is not necessarily defined by the fact that you say that russia is the best, you can be completely calm to criticize, so to speak, russia's war against ukraine, but at the same time to promote the thesis that ukraine should not be supported with weapons, because this, they say, will only lead to a worsening of the conflict and more deaths. formally, these are not

pro-russian views, these are pacifist views, the views of a person who does not want... money, for example, of german taxpayers, ah, they allegedly went to a bad cause, but in reality these people really go to the occupied crimea , help there, watch there, for example, for fake ones elections, and go to the russian embassy for receptions, then appear in some investigations about what a pro-russian cache, which somehow you. creeps out in their election campaigns, that is, this is not the first and not the last case in the west, when a formally allegedly not overtly pro-russian position is actually a defense of russian interests, i think that many, a huge number of agents of russian influence in ukraine have also always been patriots and talked about it , how they love ukraine, but this did not interfere

them to promote pro-russian narratives or pro-russian narratives. which are beneficial for russia, narratives are beneficial for russia not only that russia is the best country in the world, but also that, for example, some ukrainians are better than others, or if some ukrainians are more correct than others, and so on and so on. like that, there are a huge number of opportunities to work for russian propaganda without being an outright pro-russian propagandist, so it's really not a very simple question here, what do we define? as pro-russian propagandists, and accordingly, when we understand who it is about, then we can think about how to deal with it, well, oleksandr, i'm sorry, i'm just asking you, i'm just curious, for example, i... constantly, because i regularly watch russian propaganda there and there is very often several deputies from the alternative for germany, they participate in russian tv broadcasts, tune in,

tell stories, in particular, they told how their party won certain elections there, that's all, and well, they are there, and their assistants there just now fled to russia , work are constantly present on russian airwaves, and german society will somehow find out about it, somehow. somehow this information appears somewhere, because it is a systemic thing, german society, like any society, is obsessed with itself first of all, that is, the appearance of these people on russian airwaves necessarily appears, or rather, i i wouldn't say the appearance on the airwaves, but the facts of the cooperation of these people with the russian media or even with the russian state, well, again , in the role of the same observers. emerge in media publications and investigations journalists, literally today i saw

a book by the corrections agency in a bookshop at the local train station, well, it’s actually a kind of european belnket, which is completely devoted to an alternative for germany, but there, like most of you... not devoted to foreign policy, and because this alternative is going to be done in germany itself, because, well, again, germans sympathize with ukrainians for the most part, but still their shirt or their dringle, they are closer to their own german body, and accordingly, the problems of their domestic politics, they are worried much more, they are used by such populists as alternatives for germany, for germany and the sarev bloc. knecht, promoting actually anti-german, in my opinion, anti-european, and not only anti-ukrainian politics in germany itself, they speculate on internal german

topics that are important to the germans themselves, and the answer to simple answers to which there are simply no, but they say that here we will come to power and everything, and we will restore order, this will not happen, but until they really came to power, the germans have not yet understood that there will be no simple answers. and therefore , accordingly, they vote as a sign of protest against the fact that they are not living well, and for these parties, and again, this has little to do with ukraine, so ukrainian topics are on the agenda, but not because ukraine or russia is perceived as a huge threat, it is perceived by people who understand what we are talking about, politicians, military, many journalists, but for a hard-pressed german, his family budget for this year is important, important, and it has decreased a little. due to inflation, and to him he doesn't like the fact that in the local electric train he is being approached by some kind of guy who is atypical for german appearance, let's call it that, and he

wants it to stop somehow, and the alternative for germany says that we will close the borders, and accordingly there will be much less guys in our electric trains , which do not look like what we are used to, uh, and here you have to understand that ukraine is on the agenda, but it... so to speak, well, as the ukrainians at one time had a bu, there would be an israeli-palestinian conflict , or the israeli-arab conflict, or any war that is interesting to us, we sympathize, maybe some of the sides, and maybe we just want the bloodshed to stop, but we are not included in this conflict as much as possible, well, it is already interesting to be able to see it on high level for. who said that he is not just the head of this company that built nord stream-2, he is already a friend of the german people, he makes it possible for germans to get cheap gas, all this has always

been perceived, that is, for decades, putin has been creating such a network in germany in the west, which was connected with his interests by and large, and everyone perceived it as the norm, well, now there is some new story, in general, they are activating the russians and it is very noticeable. talking about the division of germany, that until now the western lands are not like the eastern ones and the eastern lands are literally enslaved and must be given freedom, because they don't want to live like the western ones, and i really wonder what alexander thinks about this, because this is now the main line of russian propaganda, it is very visible, well the problem is that... like any good propaganda, ah, russian propaganda is aimed at, well, again, i'm speculating a bit here, because i don't have

the legal documents that were actually distributed to order of the russian embassy, ​​but i have every reason to believe that certain german opinion leaders either work openly simply for russian money, not directly for russian money, so to speak in an envelope, but for example, in the form of a fee for a book, about that it is necessary to settle military conflicts in the world by peaceful means, through negotiations, some. forcing, especially the sloppy side, for example, here, such people are public intellectuals, journalists who , well, prosper, get rich at the expense of this, and the germans, again, having a tendency to balance opinions, ah, and other journalistic values ​​and standards , give these useful, and sometimes idiots, sometimes not idiots, a lot of airtime, and that's about

it, by the way. or sarah wegenk's moment of popularity, and now that west germans are witnessing a sudden surge in the popularity of people like tzara wagenknech or such political forces as an alternative for germany, they really say, hmm, maybe we did need this wall, because we don't want such rampant populism at home, well, i mean, i really hear it half-jokingly from many west germans, but - with enough, i would say, there is still a little, i would say seriousness in this joke, it is clear that no one will recreate moore , but this joke reflects very well what the west is beginning to think that really the neighboring germans, they work a little in a different way, on the other hand, it's very easy to hear from many eastern germans that the west somehow excludes them, although

they, like any... such a region , feed the whole of germany, i'm joking, but here are the classic tricks manafort field, which worked in ukraine, which worked in the usa, they will also work in germany, in a slightly different context, with slightly different seasonings, i would say, but it is clear that russian propaganda inflates these sentiments, here ms. olga is absolutely right, the only one ... a problem, like and again, like any problem any propaganda, good, it is based on certain real facts, and these facts are now very clearly visible from the results of these elections, if it was best seen from the results of the european parliament elections, when you could compare them to each other at one point in time , when the whole of east germany voted against the opposition coalition of opposition christian democrats,

they are right, but in moderation. the right, that is, a normal political party that has actually existed since the foundation of west germany, all of it east germany voted for an alternative to germany, because the experience of living in an authoritarian system seems to give such signs, and many germans, west germans, as i understand it, are gradually coming to terms with the fact that it is necessary to somehow work with these people, and that really they are less inclined, so to speak. to solving society's problems in a democratic way, not a populist way, let's call it that. roman, what oleksandr said about the fact that, in principle , such a pro-russian point of view, as a point of balance, is accepted and completely calm, is in fact, we have always had the idea that it's all a balance, there are people with a pro-western position, there are people who are not with a pro-western position, they have a different position, they believe andriy derkach for ukraine, belarus, russia, he led

such an united to the verkhovna rada, journalists on pro-russian channels, journalists on oligarchic channels, do you remember how many times the journalists of igor kolomoisky's holding repented, after the first maidan, after the second maidan, i stopped counting how many times they apologized for lying on the air, and nothing, and everything continued, me i worked in the unyan agency for many years, which is owned by ihor kolomysky, and i have never repented and do not plan to, but i am talking about myself, this. and as for our situation, nevertheless, be that as it may, only now it is possible to draw parallels there with france, where many invite representatives of the embassy of fascist russia on the air within the framework of this bibs standard, and we have a full-scale invasion, or rather closing of medvedchuk channels, the situation was completely different, and those who worked.