to think that we, we are warned about the threat, you understand, we should not be warned about the threat, we should warn ourselves in order to survive this winter, and by the way, the next one too, it may not be the first winter such a war, and relatively speaking, this is not the first, it is the third, but maybe the fourth and fifth, well, we just have to prepare to survive winter after winter with the population in our country, and not outside its borders, that's all ? yes, i absolutely agree with you here, and of course... you need to talk to people, you need to explain, you don't need as they say, to soften one's eyes, yet to say frankly that yes, winter can really be difficult, and indeed we must prepare, each of us must prepare for the fact that from the conditional november, well, we will have to somehow, somehow survive these few, how at least months, we have a short break, literally for a few minutes and... we are moving on with new and no

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vasyl zima's big broadcast, a project for smart and caring people, espresso in the evening. we are back, the live broadcast, the saturday political club, well, we continue to have new topics, and probably no less interesting, no less. resonant and no less resonant first of all, so zelensky in the united states of america will be next week, there he will present a victory plan, which is already being written about by absolutely all western mass media, today reuters, bloomberg, everyone is writing, everyone is talking, in particular there even some positions have already been made public, in particular it provides for an alleged invitation of ukraine to nato and the european union. the supply of weapons in large quantities,

we are also talking about the economic support of our country, at the same time, zelenskyi, the president of ukraine, declares that the second peace summit should put an end to the war, at the same time, zelensky, we remind you once again, will present this plan to biden harris and trump next week, and in particular. well, we will get to that as well, but actually this is the plan that the ukrainian government at least officially declares, this plan, as far as it is generally viable, there are points that, in my opinion, appear to be impossible to implement in the near future.

at least in the near term, and it is clear that this plan, as far as it is viable, given that russia is unlikely to agree to at least a few of its points, why is zelensky doing it then and what should we really expect from all this? well , look, there are three plans, one prepared, two, the third is being prepared, zelenskyi's peace formula, zelenskyi's victory plan and zlenskyi's plan for transition with russia. moreover , the presence of one document in principle contradicts the presence of the other two, well, in general, i apologize, we see that, in principle , a lot of statements of the ukrainian authorities contradict each day, you know, in the morning we read about peace, in the evening we read that we are not leaving no concessions, for the next morning we read about the fact that we would still have to sit down at the negotiating table, well, it is on the one hand, on the other hand, if we call it not plans, but, let's say, political... ugh, this is the impression that

there is a plan of informational activities in the office of the president, and they just work according to this plan, and it should contain points of different plans. if you and i were to call zelenskyi's peace formula simply ukraine's idea of ​​a just peace, then the ukrainian society's idea of ​​a just measure is already absolutely clearly stated there, absolutely precisely, as in sociological report, by the way, which corresponds to a true understanding of how to restore international law, how to protect sovereignty, there is no point in this plan, the peace formula that cannot be disputed, now directives are being created to develop this, in fact, before zelensky’s visit to the united states, well we ask the president all the time, well, you have a peace formula, but how do you want to implement it in general, because none of these points

correspond to real possibilities, you discuss them, delegations come, they put pressure on you hand, you are taking pictures with everyone, and he answers and this is the plan that we should be accepted into nato, the plan, maybe we don't know what is really there, the plan that there should be more serious sanctions against russia, the plan, that there should be secondary sanctions against the countries of the global south that cooperate with russia and so on and so forth, the plan, the plan, well, this is the answer to the question, how do you want to implement the peace formula, now you can ask another question, how do you want to implement in life... these points, but what zelensky is offering to allies, is now coming the next document, and if all this is really successful, we need to sit down with russia at the negotiating table, well, if all these victory plans are approved, then we will have to

negotiate peace with russia, here are our positions regarding these peace agreements, everything is completely logical, there is simply no relation to reality, but that is another matter. but on the other hand, perhaps the president's office is thinking not so much about reality as about the need to keep people in a state of expectation of a quick end to the war. i'm not i know how rational it is, i always say that it seems to me that people should plan their lives, including service in the armed forces, including work, including staying or not staying in ukraine based on the perspective of a long war, so to speak for ourselves, without any government statements. the conflict has been going on for 10 years, which means that my country has been in a conflict for 10 years, all 10 years, with greater or lesser intensity, military actions have continued, which means that there is a probability that another 10 years will be completely calm, it can to continue: high-intensity war,

low-intensity war, missile strikes, ecological disasters, deprivation of electricity, water, fuel, all this will be part of my life, if i do say so myself, then i understand, really me. will one day have to be militarily obligated there to actually pay higher taxes, because the state will be forced to rebuild itself on a military basis, and its whole essence will be precisely that it will deal with defense, and whoever will be in the rear will pay most of the money that he earns to support the army, and how else he wants to survive, plus the infrastructure, plus the fact that, please, accept a certain limitation of the rights and freedoms of the citizen for many years, what is important for the ukrainian state, its democracy from the electoral point of view will become part of our history 1991-2022 years, it's all such a reality, well the reality is no, let's think that everything will end in december, we will hold one summit,

a second, a third, then the question arises, if everything ends in december, maybe we should just wait until december, wait for someone at home , why should... take up arms, if in december there will be peace anyway, for someone to wait abroad, why return here while the war is on, it is better to return to a peaceful country, and so month after month, in december i immediately think that it will end in march, in march i prevent that it will end in october of the next cancer year, and so i am already a pensioner. and it does not end and does not end. i remember andrei a beautiful phrase from one of mario vargas liosa's novels, who, well, on behalf of his hero, mentioned his relative who died in peru, and he said: well, by and large, my dear

had an absolutely fantastic life, he lived his whole life waiting for changes, and they never came. was waiting, but he was waiting all the time that changes were about to happen, so you don't have to live, life waiting for changes is the most fruitless life you can imagine, you have to live by understanding reality, then you can change this reality. mr. vitaly, well, in fact, we have been living like this in ukraine for many years, and it was even before the war, the war, well , the truth is, the war simply paints all this in a very dramatic way, and look, it just comes out here some coincidences, on the one hand, now the verkhovna rada of ukraine is considering the issue of raising taxes, which is quite significant, and we see that among many of our citizens there is a lack of acceptance as to why this... should be done, and i understand why this lack of acceptance exists, so that they do not explain to people why, on the other hand

, these same people ask the question, why raise taxes now, if we are told that there will be a second peace summit in november, and all this will end, on the other hand, here i am even every day, i am now on our ether with people i talked to, they also ask me questions, and when it's all over, i don't bother anymore, how to continue to build my life, why do they do this, and such questions on... really, every day there are a lot, that is, you are absolutely correct here about the fact that we somehow need to talk to people and somehow explain to people what we will have, what we will have a plan for the future, because even i personally, given the fact that we have one thing in the morning, another in the afternoon, absolutely three in the evening statements from official, i say again persons, i am already silent there about experts, about about someone else, and this is actually not what demotivates, it contributes. this is disorienting, it introduces confusion into what will happen even by the end of this year, well, you see, another big

problem, i think the communications of the government and society, the president and his subordinates all the time want to prove to our compatriots that from the end of the war depends on them, and this is also a very dangerous thing, you understand, when we start to believe that the end of the war under certain conditions depends on zelensky, so... we are fighting, because he becomes the leader of the resistance, he fights as the supreme commander, he fights the russians, and he wants to agree, uh, it's a matter of his desire, not even now, it's a matter of when he will finally finish working on the plan negotiations with the russians, will finish and come to an agreement, but this is not true, nothing depends on zelensky in such a situation, when putin is not going to finish. the war zelensky is a victim. he is the president of a country that is a victim of aggression.

putin is the aggressor here. the aggressor can only be stopped, but it does not depend on you when you you will end the war because you are not the one who attacked. the one who attacked may wish to end the war. and this, by the way, has been said a million times by western leaders, from biden to macron and scholz. if putin wants to end this war, he doesn't need zelensky for that. he can finish it in 24 hours. i think even in two, but zelensky needs putin, putin does not need zelensky to end the war, zelensky needs putin to end the war. zelensky cannot end the war without putin, but putin can without zelensky, that's why that these are russians on the territory of our country. russia believes that we should lose our sovereignty. russia is sure that without invading the territory of ukraine, it cannot become a major civilizational, international player, and therefore it must pay any price for ukraine. it has never happened before, these are different things, we, we do not want all this, we do not believe that if

russia exists, then ukraine will not exist, in the political sense of the word, we have no problems with russia, except that it aggressor, and russia has us, she wants us not was, this is a different way of asking the question, and if our fellow countryman with you once again has the illusion that from the problem in zelensky we are moving again into the world of absolutely, i would say, the terrible world of 2019, when a huge number of people, and zelensky are average they said that the war continues because the current government wants it, it gets rich from it, and if you remove the people who get rich from the war, it seems to me like a quote from shefir or one of them, then the war will stop immediately, but now they say the same thing, and any case corruption, we understand that corruption is part of everything. unprofessional

leadership to power, you give the hands of corruption such a weapon that it cannot help but use, and corruption will intensify with each year of unprofessional leadership to the point that it literally strangles this public administration, grabs it by the throat and will not let go during the next three or four decades, you must clearly realize that corruption will not get you anywhere... you got into the trap where it was, but it starts right away, that's why the war continues, because they get rich on it, of course, they always find unclean hands. people who get rich on war. the russian-ukrainian war will create more or less wealth for ukrainian officials and people close to the authorities. there is no doubt about it. but they did not start this war and they cannot end it. they cannot say: oh, we don't need to get rich anymore, let's have peace now. we already have enough money, we can already

buy villas in italy, france, monaco, factories, steamships. buy all ukrainians and 100 once they are sold, that's it, we need peace, because they don't decide it, the russians will decide when there will be peace here, the russians, not the ukrainians. and what should be done so that the russians decide that in order to make peace, they must be stopped, until you stop the russian, he will fight. so, here is the real peace plan. the russian troops stop, the russian attacks do not reach their goal, the ukrainians strike. thus creating the conditions for the war to become an inhabitant of russian settlements, as well as ukrainian ones, and on the territory of the two countries, in fact, the black restless life continues along with not one, but two wars, and this is an important condition, and russia, not having the opportunity to advance its troops and not having the opportunity to destroy the ukrainian infrastructure, at

the same time loses billions of dollars every day, then the warehouse exploded, then something failed to sell. some chinese bank refused to do any business with russia, and here every day you are not even subordinates asking putin, he himself asks himself, well, here are these troops, and what’s next, maybe we need to act differently, he begins to think about it, at least, well, if he thinks about it for 10 minutes a day, how long will he wake up and think about ukraine, as yeltsin commanded, remember, he said, every russian official should... wake up in the morning and think about ukraine , they are doing this now, but then there may be a real possibility of an interruption of the war, and then zelenskyi can really write a plan, because then at least some platform for a compromise may arise, and while they are crawling like storans in pokrovsk, while they are preparing missiles, that

to freeze ukrainians so that ukrainians have no chance because many survive the winter, at least in certain regions, and they believe in it, as long as they can maintain a certain social level, as long as they can pay money to their contractors, and as long as the competition continues in russian regions, who will pay more, and by the way, look, andrei, this is not a fictitious competition, there are regions that cannot pay extra, so... kakasia, let's say, it pays zero rubles to those who go to serve under a contract in addendum to this one the amount promised by the federal government, and there are regions that pay a lot, which means that they have not yet exhausted all the money, at the moment when we say to you, listen, 80% of russian regions do not pay additional money for their contracts, no stimulate them to

them, this means that in a large part of the territory of russia there are problems with regional budgets, there are none yet. well, these are just objective data, because you understand, you and i will never fully understand the statistics of the development of the russian economy, but here is what, by and large, russia can to show what it is really capable of doing in terms of recruiting people, we can judge by these federal and regional payments, well, but in principle, then we return to the so-called victory plan, what the hell... the allies will give us money, what the more they will give us weapons, the more russia will understand that we will fight back, the more chances that we will go somewhere on some track of the end of the war, again, i do not know when, there is a chance for the implementation of such a plan, at least in the near future perspectives 3.6 months, i thought you were going to ask about

the plan in the near future, the one you were talking about, the plan for a conditional victory in... in the next decade and in the next term of the president of the united states, that is, from march 2020 uh, my lord , in the fifth year, until january, until february 2030, a window of opportunity opens, and until march, so far, relatively speaking, we will be in the mode of receiving aid that we were, maybe president biden will go for some non-standard solutions, but in any case - in any case, you understand, ot take a look what is happening with biden, he is in a certain political trap, on the one hand, he can now make any decision regarding more intensive aid to ukraine and not. be responsible for its long-term consequences because it's the end of his political career that he didn't expect, uh, if he was running for president of the united states right now,

he wouldn't have to show anything at all, he'd be cautious by definition , but on the other hand , he has to make such a decision, which is for sure should not become a problem for the president's company, so he cannot afford his so-called... escalation, because if there is any sharp escalation, then trump will immediately say: you see, these crazy people, they have led the country to the third world war, already, he is saying this now, this is a big part of his election campaign, if they allow russia to shoot at ukraine shoot at russia, it will lead us to the third world war - says trump. this is a quote. and during the period of power transition, let's say, there from november 5 until january 20, maybe. depending on who will be elected, well, then there will be a transfer of affairs, so the administration that transfers affairs to its successors, as a rule,

does not make any such tough decisions that contradict the ideas of the successors, consultations must take place, because everyone understands perfectly well, it is a question of the succession of power, that you cannot make decisions that later, for which your successor will later be blamed, this does not happen in big politics, well, again, why... can biden increase aid to ukraine, well, first of all, in within the framework of that budget, which is allocated for aid, we talk about biden all the time, as if there is no congress, again, it is biden, zelensky will show everything to biden, well , biden, as you remember, was ready to help us with this amount , which is now allocated to the congress, six months before the congress made this decision, and trump quite consciously, it is trump, you have to call a spade a spade, delayed the allocation of this aid. and agreed only when he saw that it did not bring any electoral losses for him, then the question arises, even if it is written in the victory plan that

it is possible, we don't know this, but that's what the western media say, a guarantee of military aid for ukraine, but what about the congress? well , let's say that president biden tells zelensky that it's a great idea, volodymyr, you need to be guaranteed help, i'm ready to do it, i'm completely, i'm in favor of it with both hands. well, you can say the same thing to president zelensky, i can say, he can meet with us and show us the victory plan, well, then we will have to go to the congress and the question arises, what about this congress, he will vote, the most important thing is, how much is left of this congress? three months, nothing two, but after two months there will be a clear understanding that there is a new majority, if it will be a republican majority, but the republicans absolutely do not need to vote for something that does not correspond to their interests. and they know that, before the new president, and they know that the next congress will continue this line if there is a democratic majority, but the republicans

will definitely try to shift all responsibility for such decisions to democracy, and vice versa, so in this regard the possibilities are limited, well, again, we may not like it all, but this is what professional politics looks like, well, listen, well, the president... zelensky can definitely understand this, because he in his own parliament, having a monomajority of absolute anonymous people, the names of which he himself does not even know, who these people are, whom he basically brought to the verkhovna rada of ukraine, he is constantly faced with the situation of the absence of a majority there, that's how it is, here he is think about how it is that i have a monomajority, and i am forced to go to political bargaining from the former opzh, without the votes of the former. russian forces, i cannot rule the country, and biden does not have a bono majority, and unlike zelensky, he knows all the senators and congressmen for sure, he knows that these are all

people who have real political careers, these are all people who depend from his constituents, the deputy from zelensky yes, zero depends on his constituent, zero, because this constituent does not even know his name, then, when he finds out that there is a conditional non-conformist in the parliament, he starts... that's who for her voted, what is it, who did you vote for her, you, you, you voted for her, with your pen, and now, oh, well, that doesn't happen in america, it's not a kindergarten, it's an adult country, yes, they also vote for very strange people there, meleri, what was her name there, meleri, taylor green, that's 150 bezuz. a cornerless napoleon banaparte and cicero compared to mailary taylor greene, but on the other hand the people who voted for me, i'm sorry, did they

know exactly who they were for? do not vote, she did not suddenly appear as a kinder surprise parliament, she was a political activist, she was a public figure, she expressed her opinions, she spoke at rallies, you absolutely consciously vote for such a person, that's the difference, well, these are people who have been working towards their goal for decades, i'm sorry, but in the united states there are congressmen and senators in the united states who have been in politics since the 70s and 80s of the last century. and there are those who went to their goal for 20 years, 30 years, 15 years, i apologize, starting from being someone's assistant, or a low-ranking member of the democratic or republican party, and now they have become a congressman or a senator, that is what we are talking about, i mean, it is known that there are young people, these young people still go to rallies by themselves, speak

by themselves. with speeches, here's sparts, yes, she's a young politician, and she's been left with petitions asking her to get re-elected, because she's a popular person in indiana, she's not a veteran of politics, but she knows how to reach out to the people of indiana , this is a very important thing that we also forget all the time that america, which is like the european union on a large scale, is the united states, you need find a common language not with some abstract american. like how you need to find a common language here, first of all with a ukrainian, no, you need to find a common language with people in indiana, in oregon, in california, in new york, and these are different languages, completely different political languages, and when a person knows how, of course, she is needed by her party, society needs her, and she can be very strange, but maybe her voters are strange, well, by the way, about one more senator, if we have already mentioned

senators. andriy derkach, such was the people's deputy of ukraine, how many how many convocations you have to google, but many convocations, he became a senator , a senator or a member of the council of the federation council in russia, from the astrakhan region, a person who was essentially one of those apologists of the russian church in ukraine, a person who essentially promoted this russian peace in ukraine. and a person who became famous in general for all these russian connections, if not the most, mr. vitaly, what kind of phenomenon is this and why derkach to putin, well, it is clear that after andriy derkach fled from ukraine to russia, he could sink to the bottom he could have become a conditional yanukovych there, but we see that he has essentially,

essentially, how to say, reincarnated. derkach, why not the other way around, why derkachan was made a member of the federation council from some occupied drc, and why what is it for the drc at all, i can explain to you why, because dima rogozin is an fsb agent. andriy derkach is an officer of the fsb, these people have a different report card in ranks, even in such a situation, i do not think that andriy derkach had to lie somewhere at the bottom, agents lie at the bottom, they have fulfilled their mission, they are no one else's are needed, and the chekists always behave like this with agents, well, you got your 30 silver coins there, go to yourself, rest, feed the ostriches, and the officer who

has been performing all the time... he should get an award, well , look, andriy logovyi, a person who was found guilty by the british court of murdering litvinenko, he is also a member of the state duma of the russian federation, a very active deputy, this is not a happy federation for you, this is an active public activity, because he worked well, worked, performed correctly all the tasks that were, now works in parliament get access to certain financial flows, i generally believe that andrii was an agent of the russian special services, i don’t know how his father is the former head of the sbu, it’s just a good question, but he definitely is, the fact is that you mention that he, he was a member of the verkhovna rada, who all the time advocated pro-russian narratives, no, he was the owner.