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we summarize the informative morning in ukraine in khrystyna porobiy works in the studio of espresso news. congratulations. three people were killed and ten others were injured in donetsk region. among them is a 16-year-old girl, the regional police reported. occupiers fired at a house in novo-ukraine. one person died there. two more died in myrnograd. kramatorsk, the russians covered tornado-s with fire from rszzv. six residents were injured, including a teenage girl. four apartment buildings and six cars were destroyed. sloviansk was attacked with aerial bombs. there, three people were injured, 72 were injured private houses, a garage with a car and an infrastructure object. one more wounded in mykolaivka, which the enemy attacked with a kabo. three high-rise buildings and a hospital were damaged there. in total, during the day, the russians shelled 14 settlements in the region. in the morning, the russians

attacked an ambulance near chamomile in the kherson region. the enemy dropped explosives from the drone. a 58-year-old paramedic and a 50-year-old driver were injured. they are in the hospital with blast injuries and concussion. the occupiers also dropped explosives from a drone on the village of kindiyka. a 70-year-old man was injured during attack, he was in the garden. he was hospitalized, the regional military administration reported. during the day, the russians killed one person in the kherson region, and another seven were injured. the occupiers shelled 16 settlements in the region, damaged houses and civilian infrastructure. in the morning, the russians struck kupyansk in the kharkiv region. an 82-year-old woman died, oleg sinygubov, the head of the region, said. during the day, the russians injured four residents of the region. the enemy attacked the village of sheykivka with a kabo in the evening. a 76-year-old man and a 64-year-old woman

a woman, a household building was on fire. the occupiers also shelled the village of kupyansk-vuzlovy several times a day. two women, aged 64 and 68, were injured. a destroyed private house in nivychchyna, farm buildings. by the 17th, the number of wounded in zaporizhzhia due to the russian attack increased, the ministry of internal affairs reported. four women are in a moderate condition in hospital, the others will be treated at home. a 15-year-old boy is among the injured. the occupiers shelled the city with mortars for the first time. the enemy attacked late yesterday evening, having previously struck seven blows the invaders hit the objects of civil infrastructure. 13 high-rise buildings, private houses, educational institutions, cars and garages were damaged, ivan informed the head of the regional military administration. fedorov. rescuers evacuated

the residents, extinguished the fire in one of the apartments and extinguished the car. and we ask you to join our collection. we need funds for drones and a charging station for the reconnaissance of the third sso regiment, which is destroying the enemy in the chasovoy yar region of donetsk region. the russians are constantly attacking and trying to capture city, because it is a commanding height from which it is easier to shell other settlements. on our defenders hold the defense, but they need our help. soldiers need drones, they will help not only improve the performance of combat missions, but also save the lives of our soldiers. so your donation will increase the effectiveness of actions against the enemy. our goal is uah 890,000. and with your help, we have already collected over uah 460,000. get involved. you can see all the details on the screen. the president of ukraine,

volodymyr zelenskyy, visited an army ammunition plant in the american state pennsylvania in particular, he inspected the production process of 155 mm. ammunition, which is currently in critical need of the ukrainian army. the leader of ukraine thanked the workers of the plant for their work and noted that their work saved thousands of ukrainian lives. we will remind you that the ukrainian president is in the united states of america on a working visit. there, zelenskyi plans to present the ukrainian victory plan and discuss the military summons with the leaders of other countries and partners. and within the framework of the visit of the president and the ukrainian delegation to the usa, leaders the zaporizhzhia region and the american state of pennsylvania concluded a cooperation agreement. this was announced by the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi. priority is given to energy, agriculture, digital technologies and defense.

the agreement will also contribute to the reconstruction of the zaporizhzhia region. we are very happy to have such partners, and of course. well, we understand that the united states has been helping us since day one of full-scale war, but we count on continued support. we are grateful to president biden, thank you for your bipartisan support and we thank such factories, workers, officers and soldiers. in odesa, a group of russian intelligence was exposed, even at the beginning of the full-scale invasion of the russian federation, they were preparing to seize state institutions of the region. however, later... they went into standby mode under the guise of public organizations. the manager and his assistant were detained, and 70 weapons, ammunition, and tactical equipment were seized from them. for the selection of potential candidates, those involved gave preference to citizens with special

skills or with experience in fighting actions or narrowly specialized specialists. in case of capture of odesa, group members were promised positions in the local occupation administration of the russian federation. in general, the participants recruited more than two dozen people to the enemy cell, who were subordinate to their leader according to the principles of military hierarchy. all of them are currently under investigation. they threatened the judge and demanded $15,000. in zhytomyr oblast, a man and a woman blackmailed a judge for almost a year, demanded money, threatening to publish private information about her daughter. first the attackers demanded €1,000, but later decided to turn on the judge's counter. after handing over uah 740,000, they were detained, the man was taken into custody, and the woman is under house arrest. she traded amphetamine

and kept grenades at home. a 34-year-old drug dealer was detained in kyiv. for cash, the woman sold... gave prohibited substances during personal meetings with clients. law enforcement officers seized drugs, more than a hundred cartridges and two grenades from her home. now she faces up to 10 years in prison with confiscation of property, the capital was informed police fatal road accident in lviv region. two people died as a result of an accident near the village of vidnyki. on the lviv-ivanov highway. cars vaz and renault collided. the car was badly damaged by the impact. the driver vazu and his 37-year-old passenger died, the regional police reported. rescuers brought kermanych's body, the other driver was detained. the law enforcement officers have opened

a criminal case, the culprit faces imprisonment for five to 10 years. such was the morning in ukraine. read more news on our website espresso.tv, also in our social networks, join, put your favorites. i will say goodbye to you until tomorrow, my colleagues will tell you more, stay with us.

with you, vitaly portnikov, and today we are talking about what is happening with

russian propaganda during all these years of war, how it is changing, how it is harming ukraine and the world, how to fight it, whether it is propaganda at all or some kind of conviction. our first guest in the studio is olga len, a magazine journalist, my colleague on the espressa tv channel, host of the chronicle of information war program. congratulations, ms. olga, congratulations, well... this is actually quite an interesting moment that happened with russian television, not even in these 2.5 years, but i can say for all these decades, i have to reveal a secret now, here you are, hosting the news program politicians on the espressa tv channel, and i hosted the chronicle of national politics program on russian television in the late 80s, early 90s, because then my russian colleagues... "we need to talk to the people of russia, we need to solve the issue of that, how

do people of different nationalities generally live in russia and throughout the soviet union, we need an equal approach, we need to tell the truth about these repressions that were carried out against the peoples, and here i will not be long, i will say right away, it was not some kind of stellar career, and that is why i led this program, i i remembered that these are chronicles of national politics, and boris yeltsin is persuading me to conduct them, he said, you should come to this one. the new democratic channel, because you know the national question, and what channel was rtr, russian television, created by the verkhovna rada of democratic russia, my god, that’s the main one ruper, the main ruper, but he was an alternative to the soviet union television at the time, created just as a democratic television and all these stars are the future of russian television, evgeny kiselyov, tetyana mitkova, i’m sorry, dmytro kizelyov, they all started there in the vesti program, it was not uncensored by the party. television is such a community, but the point is not in this, the point is that when i

think about it now, here we are talking with you, it was as if it was not the same as in another life, in some other country, well, that’s how it was in another country, well objectively it is so, because at a certain moment russian television ceased to be television, journalism, when someone is trying to tell me now, it is also journalism, no, it is civil servants who come to work. they have tasks, they are there, some of them are included in the structure of, for example, the army, and they work for the army, some are included in the structure of the ministry of foreign affairs of russia, they work for the ministry of foreign affairs of russia, there is a person who is directly included in the structure administration of the president of russia, who simply works as an administrator with the president's administration and works in the office of the president of russia, let's say in a narrow circle, that is, he works exclusively there, it's one kind of person there... the camera crew and that's it, they are all very clearly distributed, because what they do is not any kind of

journalism, it hasn't been for a long time, and it happened like this, well, basically in 2000, when they hacked ntv, after that, even there, a large part of the people, those who did ntv , by the way, dobrodiyev, remember, or several of the best journalists in russia, they switched to such and such rtr, that's all, and that's russian television, and russian television journalism, just finish it. but it is interesting, interesting, this is the ideology, this imperial, this simply big money that they started to receive, here is a great example, this is villa solavyova on lake koma, each of them has some such, a villa on the lake, their own villa on koma lakes, yes, well, this is a lot of money for a television journalist, even for an american tv star, sorry, how much work do you have to buy a villa, and i remembered the episode, we are sitting, this is just the period when ntv was broken, illustration, we are sitting at the then. ambassador of the united states of the russian federation in moscow oleksandr vershbow breakfast. leonid

parfonov, yevhen kiselyov, oleksiy venediktov, oleksandr kucher, volodymyr solov'ov and myself. i am representing radio liberty at this meeting, which is devoted to how to protect independent russian media from the pressure of the authorities. i want to listen to the ambassador. stars of russian television, and here is volodya solovyov, he says: "why are you telling us all about this, mr. ambassador, you give us money, and we will do everything to there was independent television, give it money, well, maybe they just gave him as much money as he needed, it's not true, they were given money, to the americans as well, because, by the way, this is what is happening now, when i think, well, for the first time in for a very long time, some intelligence community and some independent institutions have generally assessed

what russian propaganda is doing, that is, the rt itself , that it is simply russian state influence and not a journalist, and those who cooperate with them accordingly , simply cooperate as spies, mind you, not as those who spread fakes, no, they are just professional, yes, as a professional agency, it was the first time now, when several investigations on this topic came out, it turned out that there are also politicians who cooperate , and there are cooperating journalists, independent bloggers who were simply kept for kremlin money, and they are already, well, by the way, this is a program. and for the first time it was said only now, that is, only now did they say, well, in general, they began to talk about it as it is, not about the fact that two countries are one profession, there are russians, there are some journalists, there are ukrainian ones, somewhere there should be journalistic programs, don't forget, salavov

also worked in the united states, and simonyan was on the program. states on exchange, but in ukraine we encountered this much earlier, remember, there were various envoys of the russian media and political centers here and there, such a political scientist bondarenko, i think his last name was, that is what he is now, well he is not there is, he was there, he is here, no, this is another bondarenko, it was bondarenko, a citizen of the russian federation, i don't remember how he their names were oleg or serhiy, to be honest, i simply don't remember, here is this bondarenko, he even created a center in kyiv, where discussions were held, people came. respectable people, in fact it was, this is my debut, it was just, it was, of course, an intelligence center where people were recruited, where people who have now fled to moscow came to the discussion and work there for this russian propaganda, and it was not journalism , and it was not an exchange of positions, it was just another intelligence center of the russian federation, or

all this famous roskomsotrudnichestva, which was also here at the russian embassy, ​​held various festivals. writers were invited there, wait, but what was headed and managed by konstantin zatolyan, an institute of the cis countries, it was created from the very beginning as an intelligence agency, yes, well, but he also acted here, acted and his representative was here, this volodymyr karnilov, yes, who is now, in principle, well, everything fell into place, because he is just now a kind of hollow, such a talking head on russian television, but he was not just a head, he was just an officer of the special services, what did he do? it should be good that we mentioned this, he wrote a book, i don't know if you have read it, called donetska-kryvorozskaya respublika, it was not a simple book, it was actually an ideological preparation for the secession of donbass, because this donetsko - the kryvyi rih republic, it is in this book, it was demonstrated as a really real entity

that was destroyed by the vile bolsheviks, and it was a real state, it had every right to be a state, and the bolsheviks destroyed it... bastards, and i at karnilov’s several times after various television shows where we were both participants, i wanted to read it, well, i was generally interested in the history of the donetsk-kryvori republic, and i told him: you can bring me a book, i want to read your book, he never gave it to me brought, i didn't see it until that moment, until i managed to find a russian reprint of it somewhere, because they distributed it in donbas. he didn't want me to read it here because he understood what conclusions i would draw about this book. this book had a clear, i would say instrumental meaning, he did not need anyone in kyiv to read and comment. well, you know, there was not only the case in knizhsk, there was also the case that they actually united people on the basis of this institute, who later became the very people who, well, organized

mutinies, and in donetsk, and in luhansk and in the crimea, in the end, because... it was on such and such a staircase, he once also had the impudence to invite me, i saw there, well, kalinichenko and a bunch of all these various leaders of all cossacks and of other things, but i was careless when he asked me, well, what about you, i said, well, it’s a bit of a marcabesi and that’s all, and after that i was never invited to it, now let’s invite a professor from the university of manhattan to the conversation of our program in united states of america ihor aizma, congratulations mr. ihor. i congratulate you, friends, i congratulate all the viewers, well, we already mentioned with ms. olga that, in fact , now in the west they are beginning to understand that it is not about journalists, but about spies, of course, and that all their... activity is activities of a completely different nature, as is now becoming apparent in the united states? well, you see, it becomes obvious, because even the state department two weeks

in a row, that's three weeks ago and two weeks ago, introduced a series of sanctions against, i would say, not even secondary sanctions, this is the third or fourth time the same the russian federation, and... different agencies under sanctions, and the same famous kiselyov under sanctions, but relevant things have also started regarding american citizens, well, in particular, such a well-known american us citizens, like dmitry simes, who, admittedly, has been in moscow for several years now, and is now unlikely to return to the united states, since he is generally criminally charged for violating sanctions against russia, since he is constantly ... er with appears on the russian first channel, and the first channel is under sanctions, well, you see, but they could not, nevertheless, for

all these many years of his activity, find evidence that, from the evidence that could help accuse him of espionage, well at least accused him of violation sanctions you know, in the united states there is another problem, because there are propagandists, americans. who are not russian agents, who are not officers of the russian special services, but who promote these russian narratives, like the same tucker carlson, like even members of congress, and both houses. i was watching cnn this morning and there was an interview with senator cotton from arkansas. well, i remembered how in 2017, in an interview with cnn's tomas, senator cotton said that in ukraine... there is a civil war, and here he is one of those who constantly the russian narratives in any of his interviews, in any of his speeches, he spreads them, or take

the republican vice presidential candidate, senator vance, who does the same thing, well, about tucker carlson, who we've seen on the screen, there is nothing to say at all, he, he just does it year after year constantly, it's a problem, in fact, these same people are not officers of the russian special services. they repeat all these narratives, how, which may be somehow related to their mentality, by the way, you mentioned dmitri simes, it's really incredible story, dmitry simes made, made a reputation for himself in the united states on the reputation of his parents, his mother dina kaminska was one of those lawyers who defended dissidents in the soviet union, unlike medvedchuk, but in fact she lost her job and ... were harassed, she was forced to leave the soviet union and together with her husband, her father, conducted human rights programs on radio liberty for many years, but he left earlier, and i

understand that this was also an important issue, that they tried to blackmail the fate of the son, and then when he left, after some time it turned out that he was not a democrat, not a liberal, but he was a person who was close to richard nixon, let's say, organized visits. nixon to the russian federation, that is, the person was at the very center of the american political elite, could influence the opinions of not only people like toker kachekai, he is already the head of this magazine national inter and he is constantly referred to this magazine, they wrote like this, as if this is not a russian project in the usa, some kind of american one, well, that's what as for symes, of course, these are russian projects. a person just constantly runs the program on the first, well, everything about simes is really a russian project of the usa, but when we

look at such people as carlson or as members of congress, such as senator cotton, such as margery taylor green, and so on senator kennedy, although we haven't heard much of him lately, but we heard it before, it's just me or senator vance who is a candidate for vice president. which simply repeat all russian narratives over and over again, especially which russian narratives about russian aggression against ukraine avoid the word aggression at all, senator cotton said that there was a civil war in ukraine, i wrote him a letter then, it just infuriated me, you know, when you hear this on cnn, i wrote him a letter wrote a big one, with such a very outrageous one, of course he didn't answer anything. i then wrote to wolf plitzer, the anchor of cnn, in an interview, to whom he said that wolf plitzer should deny such and such

statements. maybe i would refute it now, right? let's say today, today, senator cotton was interviewed by another cnn anchor who said he disagreed with the fact that senator cotton was spreading the word, uh, well, that, that, that, i think that's a decent thing for a host to do , but unfortunately, unfortunately, this happens very, very rarely, well, i just think that... this is what the presenter, well, denied, this is a certain movement in a positive way, and it is actually me, well , of course, you know, it's better than i do, but it still seems to me to be the result of exactly that, such an exposure of the entire network of this agency, which created a fake for which bloggers worked and received money directly from the hands of russian agents, and you know, here you can

only... act like that, that is, if you expose the source of all this and show: look, and then repeat it verbatim, one senator, another senator, then these bloggers are distributed by elon musk, that is , when you give more information that the source is incorrect, that it is compromised, then of course, in this way, the one who spreads also raises questions, he spreads it , because he does not understand whether he is it spreads also because he is compromised, and also because he is a part of this, well, sorry, not even some system of fakes, but just frank political corruption, but i think it is worth talking about it, the problem of ms. olya is that just as mr. vitaly said at the very beginning, when the three of us started talking, that there are american politicians who have

such... views, but they are sincere, but these far-right politicians have far-right views, that is why this russian propaganda, it is calculated on what they will be with happy to repeat these russian narratives because they like it, look at elon musk, for example, what the former twitter has become, and we're just now seeing this host jack taper and senator cotton, it's on cnn this morning, and jack taper at the end this interview said that i do not agree with almost everything that the senator.

they repeat them with pleasure, like the same elon musk, that's what he turned twitter into, there are no safeguards, twitter is now very similar to telegram with its anonymous telegram channels, you can distribute anything. musk, in fact, all the safeguards that were on twitter so that disinformation was not spread there, he, he removed them, and what he does, he spreads this disinformation himself in his own tweets, it can be done. financed by the kremlin, and there, well, excuse me, there is simply no simple way here, it is obvious that the politician who spreads it will run into such, perhaps, the reaction of journalists, well, only in this way , let's think about it that we passed some big way forward, here's

antony blinken, the secretary of state of the united... an organization that spreads propaganda, where russian spies work, and we remember the time in 2017 when a person who worked with rasha today and who is on the reception in honor of the anniversary, they were sitting at the same table with the president of russia vladimir putin, michael flynn, do you remember what it is, he was the national security adviser to the president of the united states, the author of rush today and nothing. trump removed him under pressure, but he was very unhappy that he has to remove him, do you remember this, mr. igor, this story with flynn, of course, he, he removed him when the washington post reporters just published this whole story, how he lied, lied when he gave evidence an fbi agent, and actually that he was compromised.