that's how we got in touch with mr. taras zagorodny. so, let us remind you that president zelensky is currently in the united states, he will have a visit of several days, and actually, during this visit. yes, we already have taras zagorodniy coming back to contact us. mr. taras, we congratulate you. yes, have a good day. well, today the president of ukraine described our current prospects like this. we don't have much time. the next few months will be decisive in this war, russia's war against ukraine and all of you, because this is russia's war against freedom itself, in our there is little time to determine what its result will be, and about the next few months, which will be decisive, i think everyone is tense both in ukraine and in the united states, but president zelenskyi formulated exactly what you think he came with the president of ukraine, a plan for victory, right ? is it already a ready-made document, or can it

be adjusted as a result of certain consultations, for example, with president joseph biden or kamela harris and so on? well, of course, any document needs correction if there are no common ones positions, but when we hear such things from the president, what he says, we must understand that much of what the president says is not intended. primarily for the external audience, so that they move faster and give ukraine the weapons needed for victory, and therefore in this case it was more of a message for foreign media and specifically for the president of the united states of america and candidates for the presidential position, all the more so as ukraine increasingly demonstrates that there are no reds anymore. that there are no more threats, about

which were often said until recently, and ukraine needs to be given weapons and, first of all , permits to strike inside the russian federation. mr. taras, we will now reconnect with you, as the image is flickering a little, we would like our viewers to hear and see you very well, so we will redial you now and in the meantime, while we wait for taras zagoronny to join us . i would like to quote the times publication, so it writes that president zelensky's victory plan, which he will present this week in usa, contains four main points: the first is a request for security guarantees for ukraine, similar to the agreement on mutual defense of nato members, the second is the continuation of the kurdish operation, which should contribute to a winning position during the negotiations, the third is a request for specific advanced weapons , and the fourth is international financial assistance to the economy of ukraine. and in fact,

the current president of the united states, joseph biden, will logically see this plan first, it will happen already this thursday, and after that this plan will also be demonstrated by zelensky kamali harris to donald trump presidential candidates, and the actual elections will be held already in november this year. so there are these theses in the times newspaper regarding the victory plan brought by zelenskyi, whether these points will really be there, or whether some other points will be possible, we don't know for sure right now. we know, but we will try to understand what could be in this plan. taras zagorodnyi returns to us. mr. taras, we hope that this time the connection will be good and it will be nice to see you as well. yes, i don't even have a doubt, yes well, but the key story is the agreement of certain parameters of what is called the plan of our victory. yes. well, let's hope that the united states will give some kind of permission for the use of long-range fire suppression systems. especially since our fighters.

have demonstrated that even without those permits they can destroy strategically important russian arsenals on the territory of the russian federation, well, so to speak, it is already a matter of technology, what to give, what not to give, yes, because , well, i think american generals are telling officials from washington, yes, you see what the ukrainians are doing even without those permits, let's maybe still cancel those ob... restrictions: what else do you think the united states can do when we 're talking about modern weapons, about modern powerful weapons, what they can do, and what president joseph biden can do, in which there is nothing left to lose except a few lines in the encyclopaedia britannica, that's all, he won't be a politician anymore, he will be emeritus in a couple of months, retired, political, yes, because he handed over all, so to speak, his camel buns. well, we wish her success in

the unequal struggle, but you have my word, mr. taras, well, let's do it, the military can speak, politicians make decisions on an equal footing. unfortunately, so far the policy of both the west and the united states of america is not to put too much pressure on putin, so that russia remains an integral state, so that it remains stable. this is such a dimetrical trend that we see so far. i think that ukraine should proceed from the basic scenario that ukraine will not be given enough weapons for victory, but will be given drippers, how it is happening now, it is... not only i am saying it, the generals are already saying it, the same ben hodges has been saying it for a long time, rivals, well, the opposition to biden, the same republicans are constantly talking about it and so on, that is, the position is that do not give ukraine weapons for victory, for holding the front, well, somewhere it

will be, it happens in principle like this, and most likely it will be like this, we must proceed from this based on the basic scenario, is it possible to can be broken. break, it's when yourself we will make a sufficient number of weapons so that, well, for example, attack systems are no longer needed, yes, if we use short-range missiles there, for this ukraine needs to exert effort, and not run for, you know , permits and so on, because the west it is built like this, the more you produce yourself, the more you will be helped, because they help the strong and self-sufficient, for this we must concentrate and... the whole society over the national idea over its own military industry, demand from the government that it financed more of the military industry, there is money in the country, no matter what they say, if there is no money, then give the opportunity to export weapons, they have been talking about it for a long time, but it still hasn’t happened,

the gunsmiths will export 1 billion dollars in the first year alone, 200 billion hryvnias will pay taxes within the country, and taxes will not be necessary.' to hear how it is now increasing, to ensure the secrecy of ipc enterprises, so that enterprises, including foreign ones , enter us for arms manufacturers and a lot of other things, and then we'll be more, you know, more relaxed about who's going to be the president over there in the united states of america and feel more... confident and still get the opportunity to win quickly, not there in the 26th, not the 27th year, but i believe that ukraine, if it continues to produce weapons at such a pace, may more, may even knock russia out of the war already this winter,

this winter, well, for this it is necessary that for the availability of those resources that are, well, create a blockade in moscow at the temperature. for example minus -10, and better -20, when there will be no heat and light, we will see there how half of russia will converge to rob moscow, what ukraine needs, destabilization, destabilization of russia in particular. mr. taras, in an interview with the new yorker, zelenskyi said that he doesn't even want to think that biden could refuse him to take these steps that are described in this plan that he brought to washington, and zelenskyi also said that the consequences, if...that were to be the case, would be very dire, and he also said that that there will be a large number of migrants who will go to europe, he says that the states will lose the largest country in europe, and this will deal a big blow to the influence of the united states, that is, he is quite, i would say,

well, he said serious words when he answered this question, is it president zelenskyi's cry of despair, is this the last attempt to... reach out to those people who can influence the fate of ukraine? no, well, it's not a cry for more, again, we have to understand that a lot is being said for a western audience, it's specifically, it can be understood specifically in the policeman, the main thing is that he does not fulfill his functions, a lot is said, but nothing is done in order to win, that is, their reputation suffers, not our reputation suffers in this case, so i think that includes all of us... they are working now in the third year of the war, they are working these emotional triggers, of course, the more ukraine has demonstrated the ability, yes, when to blow up, excuse me, warehouses from a strategic level, to blow up the invasion of the kursk

region there, to show that it is absolutely rotten construction, to show that everything is precisely based on such a sterile position of the current administration, of course, that... everything works, because again, it is not ours, it is not our reputation that is suffering, the specific reputation of the united in the fact that we are suffering is suffering we are also in this and our people are dying from it. i would like to clarify russia's position, in what way we can force the enemy to listen to our positions, look, russians, they launched an aggressive war against ukraine for a reason, so they hoped for a certain scenario, we stopped this scenario with great blood and great heroism of our fighters, yes, but now the russians seem to be signaling that they are ready, at least to study zelensky's victory plan, i read... i am now quoting putin's press secretary piskov, who says that the kremlin is cautious

about the details of the plan , which were published in the media, although there is no alternative for russia to victory in the cis, but the key story is to study the plan of the president of ukraine, volodymyr zelenskyi. what should we do with the kremlin, right? well we hope for the united states but if they go in a palliative way, that is, once again there is a third, a half, or that... of what, what we need, and accordingly, how, how should we deal with the kremlin? well, as long as putin is in power, the war will continue, he is not going to negotiate with ukraine, it's all speculation and lies. he is going to negotiate with the united states of america regarding ukraine. putin stated his position on the eve of the first peace summit, and he will not back down from it. by the way, zakharova recently confirmed that the position, as it was, remains. i.e they want ukraine to leave four regions, yes, an international

conference was held where international countries will come and sign the annexation of ukraine, that's all that putin wants, so there are no wishes, what are you doing, that 's all, nothing is going to seem anywhere, that to do, once again, the military industry itself, the military industry itself, i said, russia's energy industry is a hellesian heel, and these days, in these... no, arrange, arrange chaos in st. petersburg and moscow, this winter ukraine maybe last winter it was not possible, but because hitting the refinery, the sbushniks started this only at the beginning of this year and took out 30 of them with such a result that the russians have now stopped exporting oil products, we just forget that we did not have the opportunity to do anything with russian energy last year. now such opportunities have appeared, and to create chaos in russia, ukraine is already quite capable, for

this i said that we need moscow's gas distribution networks, transformers and so on, we can create chaos, and chaos in moscow means knocking russia out of war taras, i would like more to clarify, perhaps you have some information about the two deputies of general kyryl budanov, the deputies in charge. intelligence of the ministry of defense, so a couple of days ago there was information that they were removed from their positions, yes, well, but at the same time they would not even inform budanov, i would like to ask you what is currently happening with the main intelligence department in our country, maybe you have , but we have one and a half minutes of information, well, this is a question for umerov, because gur is subordinate to the ministry of defense, all rotations along the military line, this the submission is given by the minister of defense, as in the case of the dismissal, for example, of the head of the general staff and so on, this is a question for the ministry of defense, what happened,

was reported, was not reported, it is difficult for me to say here, and the mayor's silence, well, that is that information appeared, could you somehow clarify it, well, you have to ask, i think that the journalists, because according to the line of subordination, if you look at it, it is purely the umerov parish, because we have a zhegur under... well, you will have to read maryana bezuglai's facebook page, she does so very often informs us faster than the ministry of defense, well, just kidding, taras zagorodnik, polytechnologist, managing partner of the national anti-crisis group. contact us. now we have a break, after it there will be news, in the next hour antin borkovskii and i

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