what was openly talked about only in limited military circles came out in general: the arbitrary leaving of a unit or place of service. szh is shortened. a military man is not punished for the first sz, such is the law, but if he goes to szz a second time, it is a criminal offense. according to unofficial data, fresh official data are not published. thousands of servicemen in

ukraine voluntarily left the service, one of them is serhii gnizdilov, he did it publicly as a sign of protest, he demands clear terms of service and fair mobilization. opinions of observers, so to speak, were divided. some say that hnezdilov's behavior will have very bad consequences and that his actions may motivate others to do the same. others support and hope that now the issue of setting a clear deadline. services will finally move from a standstill. my name is vlasta lazur. this is svoboda life. therefore, the serviceman of the 56th separate motorized infantry brigade of mariupol serhiy gnesdilov announced that he is going to sezche, that is, voluntarily leaving the military unit, in order to draw attention to the need to establish terms of service for the mobilized. hnezdilov himself left volunteered for the armed forces of ukraine in 2019 . he took participation in battles in donetsk region,

including sands and bahmut. now he says, hnizdilov, he is absolutely ready for the consequences and that he can be detained at any moment. serhiy's action provoked a furious discussion. there is no consensus even among experienced military personnel and veterans. this demonstrative media, voluntary szch will have very sad consequences, about which, apparently, the author of this act does not think much. if this one draws attention to anything, then only to the fact that... violation of discipline is normal, instead, discipline is one of the foundations of any army, and such incidents greatly demotivate soldiers and provoke them to do the same. i do not agree with serhii hnezdilov's position. the terms of service must be determined, it is high time, but not at any cost, or by simply turning around and going to the szch, because firstly, it is immoral in relation to those who died and were wounded, they gave their lives and health not for that later... simply

surrender the front and it is not fair to the brothers who remained on the front line of the service. secondly, it is important to preserve the state, not politicians, not some rule of law, the whole state. i can understand everyone, but we also have to understand that if the russians are in kyiv, there will be no question of any deadlines. i am most sorry that szch gnizdilev will not change anything. the command will absolutely bury all these problems, all these surveys, morale records. instructions, all this is aimed at covering oneself from responsibility when, god forbid, something happens, and nobody cares about what is really going on in the soldier's head, and you live in a world where there is an army, people die in war, friends get mutilated, and there is a ghetto next to her who calmly drinks money and abroad, and then some sgb rolls out a release about a court in absentia and future metaphysical punishment. oblizhty dreams of the fact that we will be able to get some additional number of soldiers into the armed forces and, finally , you will ... eat war, neither voluntarily nor

forcibly, ukrainian society is not capable of this, and the practice of intensive busification of the last six months shows this, and the experience of recruiting promoted military brands testify to this, the influx of new real personnel in the zsu is very modest, we have no other option but to rely on those who are already in the army. serhiy was the first to do it and he did it honestly, i do not justify it, i do not condemn it, but i am worried. this domino may fall very soon somewhere from march, because there are many... who set himself a specific term of service of 3 years. joining our broadcast is petro kuzyk, callsign apostle, commander of the freedom battalion of the rubizh offensive brigade. peter, i congratulate you. good evening. good evening glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes. we are glad to see you on our air. how do you feel about the act serhiy hnezdilov, who demonstratively went to szz. extremely negative. why eh, if you expand

the answer, it's clear, well, there are obvious things, it's clear that everyone is tired in... the region, er, i'm no exception, when, er, just er, from the first day of the full-scale invasion, we were still fighting in the ato , everyone went as volunteers, and it is clear that the war is terrible, unpredictable, well, such processes that do not cause either pleasure or delight and so on, and everyone is tired to the end, and the state should at least inquire there.. . about the terms services, or at least about some rotational ones, conditionally, he served there for three years, you can rest there for a year, well, there are some conditions that would give a term, because even a unit that has rotational actions, it has increased

survivability and increased combat capacity, because a person, knowing the terms for which he enters combat, is mobilized during this period as much as possible, works well and then has an honest rest there. adjustment and so on, and then these rotational periods come again, they are, well, they are vitally prescribed by the military, and on the contrary, those units that are driven in without rotation, at first they fight, fight well, then they collapse, some have despair, some have despair, and there is from moral to physical fatigue, and well, in fact, now we even have battalions that consist of 40 people there or worse. they understood all these problems, but his action lies on a different level, it is treason, it is betrayal of the oath, treason to the motherland, it is betrayal of the code of the defender, because when we went, we gave an oath, when i went, every infantryman, when we went, we gave

we went to defend ukraine, and it is clear that in that, i have complaints against the leadership, against the authorities, against moronic decisions, orders, no... there are a lot of unreasonable people there and so on, but we cannot afford to leave, because understanding that a lot of society lives in kyiv, rests there, but if we leave, then this horror, which we saw in buch, in gostomyl, terror, the killing of peaceful citizens, will come here, this is about a certain sacrifice, it is not modest to say so , but well, since such a topic has already gone, so we have to... count our teeth and hope for some kind of enlightenment in the heads of our leaders and improvement of this situation, but we have to fight, imagine if the infantry will be guided by such frivolous principles, that's all, i'm tired, i

got up from my position and left, and accordingly because of this position the enemy came in, killed your brothers on the right, on the left, because you are not in control, pushed... everything to peaceful territory and started a frenzied terror, what moskalota dreams of doing to the ukrainian people, that is why they are coming here, i understand you, but the act is possible hnizdylova will somehow help to solve this the situation, put things in order with rotations, vacations, establishing clear terms of service, well, that is, maybe he will be able to draw attention to all those problems that you just mentioned? and was it worth it or not? unlikely, if even if he draws attention with this act, although everyone has known about this problem for a long time, it has not been solved, firstly, secondly, well, if we are talking about

all the problems that exist in the army, and this is a big problem, but not really the main problem, ugh, let's go there, if... voice the lack of a bull or there are combat tasks, which are in one direction without provision, without cover, if in this way we will justify our fear of her or our inability to fight our fatigue, or it is nothing else, as i love myself more than the ukrainian people, that is why i put, sorry to all and all and... brothers, and that's how i make a performance, and then, fencing off my unworthy act, and a moral act, they politicize all these processes and say that i did it for the sake of everyone, to attract attention,

there are more problems than we can handle, well peaceful people can imagine the severity of this war off the scale, fear and what is happening in the trenches and that's all... beyond the limits of humanity, norms and so on, and claims, i say, i am far from the opinion, and i must tell the truth that the organization of... digging and care about our soldier, she's not just gone, she 's been gone for a long time, that's understandable, but if you're a warrior, if you've called yourself a defender, well , be with them to the end, you can't stop halfway, you can, there are people who can't stand it , but they honestly say, i can't stand it, i give up, i'm going to szz, they don't make themselves heroes in a different format, like the fighters for rights there, and so on, peter, you have such a simple , quite, i see such a strict approach,

harsh, i would even say, i have no doubt that you are demanding of yourself and others, but look, how about you, you said at the beginning that you have a negative attitude towards this act on the part of sergey, by the way, we called him out on the air, we are open and will give him the opportunity to comment too, and what do you think the practical reaction to front from the military, do you admit that the act of... hnezdilov can really cause something the domino effect and the military even more massively, i so suspect that in principle this phenomenon is quite massive in the szch, but that after that it will become even more massive, maybe i do not deny this, because fatigue in especially in the military, those who are being cut down on the front line, it is of catastrophic proportions, it is beyond... the limits of human capabilities, i said about it that there are tasks, there are units, and we are no exception, who

cannot save people on the front line, and sometimes combat tasks are carried out, for months on end positions, or even more time, especially when you can't cut logistics there, well the dynamics of the battle is happening, everything is changing, and the supply of water, food, ammunition by drones. and the wounded need a whole special operation to get them out, this is all the horrors of this war, i am not happy about it, i am on the contrary, it is a big trouble and miscalculation that our units are put in such conditions, and we are forced without the cover of artillery, without, when we round-the-clock enemy artillery is pounding, without, well, all these horrors, i don’t want to list them, and the infantry is scooping them up, it’s very terrible, it’s unfair, and in 90%... the leadership doesn’t care about these conditions, they look at the maps, they see the line, it’s all clear, but if

i put my hands down now, and refer to these inhumane conditions and go to rest, the worse my fighters are from this character, the worse i didn’t deserve, i also want my children to see, i have three of them, three girls, i don’t have them, well, they didn’t let me go to the girl on her birthday, because... the great dynamics of the battle and the importance and so on and so on, that is, either we fight and work to ensure that the whole country fights, yes, we need rotation, we need help, we need to deal with this evasion propaganda, you have to decide, either you are a man, or you are a creature in shorts who wears a beard, or you protect your country, or you are just... well, again, a creature without a family and a tribe, without any norms, peter, i it's not easy for you,

i'm not brave and i'm not heroic, but it's just necessary, well, if we don't hold the line, gritting our teeth, what's more, there will be a huge trouble, i'm not worried anymore, well, i know for sure that ukraine will win , simply then the price for this is very high, and i want reality to finally begin with justice to meet, but such actions are just a shame, which is now being wrapped in some kind of political wrapper, and they are simply trying to pass off personal weakness and impatience as some kind of performance, this is a public move by gnezdilov, he said this publicly, he really said , this is a protest, but if we talk about such situations not publicly, to what extent the sdf and desertion are

a mass phenomenon, and what are the dynamics, has it changed there in recent months, or has it always been like this, and it has always been, it is not some kind of it depends on the unit's motivation soldiers, well, you have, for example, in the brigade, i am for the brigade. i can't answer, i can answer for my battalion, i'm lucky in this, because i lead a volunteer battalion, there are mega-motivated people here, and i have, well, for the entire period ... well, one unit, but there were cases when people could not stand , when my psyche could not stand it, when some random people got to me, and the battles are terrible in their essence, and believe me, well, it is impossible to say that all the heroes or there are some, well

, we are all standing there, no, there were cases, there were times when she honestly told me... i'm afraid there were cases when people really disappeared and wrote in esme: that's it, i couldn't stand it, i went home, well, it's not dozens, i 'm saying it's one, but it was, especially when there were units attached, which were hoped there at the beginning they were promised that the tro would defend within their cities, and they got into trouble with people like bakhmut there... the frontier, uh, people couldn’t stand it, but in my eyes, on the contrary, people became super professional soldiers, it depends on person, from each person personally, and here it would be, if you can't stand it, maybe i will too i don't vouch for myself, maybe, god forbid, the time will come when i will break down there, i won't be able to stand it, well, here it is, quietly crawl away and

don't infect the whole line with this negativity. team, work on yourself, but to publicly justify your weakness is, well, first of all, it is moral, and secondly, it can really affect large masses of large teams, so you know, peter, i want to say, i don’t know, it’s weakness, or maybe the stars aligned like that, but weakness was shown, for example, by those officials and deputies, out of a dozen we called in today air defense. the committee of the verkhovna rada of deputies who have combat experience to somehow comment on it, and they refused, we are also ready to give them the floor, because here the question arises, what can the state, the government, and deputies do under these conditions , which could be an initiative from the president, you say that it is quite logical that gnezdilov's act can cause a domino effect, for example, serviceman artem

cheh wrote that this domino effect could already be in march, when three years have passed since more participants in the war joined there, for example, as volunteers to the front, or they were mobilized, and someone set a time limit of three years, and that it could really be massive, and that under these circumstances , what the state can do or should already do, should have already done , excuse me, a bit of a distraction, but do you know why they didn't come, these deputies and officials, apart from what you listed, there is one big reason, because the question hangs in the air, and... where are you, why aren't you fighting , why are you hiding behind your leather chair? i have a huge question, why the really small number of civil servants, officials, and especially deputies, do not protect the country, this is their direct duty, this is what should be done, well, at least men, i don't want

to be born there by gender, but that no less in my world... men in the parliament, they hide and gossip about what needs to be done, what needs to be done, i am not protecting the state now, i am not protecting the government, this is a big problem, 90% of them are to blame who should make adequate decisions, namely to develop a rotation period, a normal leave period period, and realistically set service terms. such as would correspond to common sense, well, a person, an infantryman, cannot, he must at least conditionally have some chance to survive, a chance to return home, and so it turns out that we in all these matters, as we came voluntarily, mobilized voluntarily ,

i don't see the end of my work, that is, i would at least... if i had at least a chance, said peter, in 5 years you will return to your family, then i will understand that if i strain and so on, i i will understand that i have a chance to survive this war, and it can last for 10 years, it can last for god knows how long, until this sick person, the sick leader of this country, or the entire sick country does not get rid of us, and there must be healthy terms. in order for us to work efficiently during this period, i am even ready and suggested in private conversations that let's have a person work there for two years, he can be at home for a year, then he returns to work. i understand why they don't let people like soldiers, infantrymen who came, passed this story, that's why

that people don't want to mobilize now, mobilization is going extremely badly, there is no replenishment, if you give the soldiers the opportunity to go home more or less professionally, and most of them are tired, most of them, if they show up, it's legal. the choice is he will go home and there won’t be enough people to fight, well, there won’t be any staff members, everyone will take their weapons and leave, it’s unreal, they need someone, someone to kill, i’m sorry, but in these ridiculous assaults, ridiculous stories, thank you very much, thank you, that you joined and i wish you as often as possible to see my three daughters, thank you very much, petro kuzyk, the plaintiff apostle and commander of the freedom battalion of the rubizh offensive brigade was on radio svoboda. well, how many soldiers went to the szz, there are no official, fresh data, at least, as i said, at least fresh data, but for example, in july, the vele publication, with reference to the statistics of

the prosecutor general's office, wrote that in the first half of 2024 , law enforcement officers throughout ukraine opened almost 30,000 new criminal cases related to the escape of military personnel, there were more than 18,000 for the article on voluntary desertion of a military unit and more than 11 thousand for more... the strict article desertion, this is more than all for the entire year of 2023, journalists noted at the time. by the way, the ministry of defense does not comment on the topic of the szch, despite such a crazy resonance. by the way, a column by the minister of defense rustem umyerov was published just today, where he reported that, just in the last year, the indicators of mobilization in ukraine have increased three times. at the same time, the minister did not even say a word about the problem of szz and desertion. well, maybe something simple the column was prepared earlier and did not have time... masinaim, captain of the armed forces of ukraine, founder of the non-governmental organization princip law company miller, joins our broadcast. good evening. god bless you. what do you think about

the problem of szch according to your knowledge, maybe you know, or ideas, how widespread is this phenomenon? look, there were none among my people, in my unit, none at all. how massively in other defense forces, well, i understand, i guess that they are, despite the fact that we are a public organization, the principle when we there we are looking for some problems, there are really questions when the guys, either in failure to comply with the order or the sz because they did not give them leave, or did not give them time for rehabilitation, for example, when the guy is seriously injured, there were such situations, however, how widespread are they the phenomenon... he cannot give statistics, he cannot say that it is massive, but as far as i understand, the problem still exists, because even recently, the deputies, you remember, passed a law that if

a military serviceman leaves the service for the first time military unit and then returns, then he does not incur any criminal liability, obviously this was due to somehow minimizing this phenomenon, but yes, because in fact, when the law enforcement officers ... look into these cases, they do not investigate the true reasons, of course , that it doesn't affect the defense in any way means that it doesn't improve it, so maybe this solution can somehow solve it in part, i think, uh, it's probably a consequence of not just any snf, it the guys just stood up, left the position, because there really is a situation, i mean, when the commander is just there didn't do something, didn't give legal permission for you to go to the vlk, and such... what do you think, what do you personally think about serhiy gnezdilov's act, today we only partially quoted your post on facebook, as i understood, you you understand, but you are condemning, i

will explain why, look, demobilization is definitely necessary, it is obvious that it will motivate the guys who are really not in the first month in the infantry, there and in any unit, in fact, it is not only necessary to be in the the trenches to be a soldier. other tasks that are performed on war, and they also need there, well, the landed guys too, but in this way, well, that is, the szch is definitely not an option, that is, i consider it a catalyst that can simply harm the state as a whole, it is wrong, so maybe it will be such a catalyst , which will force state deputies and government officials, the president to reconsider the decision on clear terms of service, well, to attract attention. and tell me, please, someone who made such a decision, in this way to attract attention, and analyzed the consequences, imagine, well, let's say, they will now start to decide

the question somehow. about demobilization, how many people can go to tzch during all this time, because you see, it's fashionable, young people support it, it's cool, well, that is, let's think a little more maturely, we are now talking about the situation that we have inside the country yes, this is indeed a problem, but let's imagine for a second that we will fail the front in some part, or the whole part, and we will not have, when the russian army is standing here, we will not have demagoguery about the fact that we have deadlines or not, we won't have anything, fine then i say yes, i ask, but what now and who has to do with serhiy, well, as a result of his act? for example, he writes very actively on social networks, he says that if i am a real traitor because i went to the szchch, let the state punish me, if i owe the state, let it say how many years, and so on, that is, he demonstrates that he is ready to have him come and punish him if necessary, and who is to do what now? uh, you know, with all due respect to him, i think he

just needs to grow up, and the state... i it seems that you should not pay attention to this story at all, because violation or not, how can you not pay attention? so that's a violation, i think if the commander decides it, there, he has a limit of his authority, what he can do about it, including there, well, whether it's considered a war or not, whether he comes back or not, well, for me it's to be honest, a moral concession, but listen, from the moment he left, he has guys who are no longer combative, maybe other guys can also go to the sieve and just... because they can, well, so what, so what you know, i don't know how, i'm wounded, i didn't write there mostly because my conscience is tormenting me, because there, well, just go about your business, well, friends there are already friends, but friends are brothers, or is there a moment when you agree with something in the state, it's brothers, and if you don't agree, then it's not brothers, well, i don't understand how you take and leave, then tell me from your point of view, and what decision

is ripe for the state now, who and what has to make, what law to pass so that there are no such problems, because now i can only assume that after the act serhii gnezdilova, this can really work as a domino effect, since we are being watched not only by our fellow citizens, but also by rusnia, i think that there is no need to give a lot of information, just as much information as i have, this document is being prepared, prepared, conducted by these negotiations in order for it to be phased, for it to be... er, without weakening the front, the question is that it is not only the states, well, maybe we have queues at the central committee, maybe there we are fighting back from these people, we are like that, no, no one go to fight, but let those who who will stay, no, that's not the question, i just need all states, citizens to understand that they need to take responsibility for this war, not only those who are at war, well, it 's a completely healthy story that the boys need to return, but well, this is not only a matter of the state, let's not look for non-

ordinary issues only in some people, or only in the military or... only in the state or only in society, this is a complex problem, we as a nation simply have to understand, the following is happening right now history, we instead therefore, in order to come together to find a solution, let's start discussing who is to blame here, that is , the state should really make a decision, but once again, how can demobilization happen if the number of people who can change them is simply not enough, and critically not enough, in some positions instead of eight people, plus or minus, who were drawn in, stand one or two people, well, isn’t that normal, today the minister of defense wrote an author’s column for forbes, where he summarized the year of his work, and he just said that mobilization increased on tuesday , i don't know, i guess it should be interpreted as a victory and successful manifestations of mobilization, or how to interpret it, it can be interpreted, i don’t know how the fact that someone, perhaps with some decisions, helped more people to mobilize there, but let

’s have numbers, how many people ... there are many times less of them to fill the front at least in a year , not to replace, let’s say, we are now looking, that is, they may be looking for a solution now, they are talking about simply supplementing those units in which there are sanitary losses , and we are talking about replacing, that is, there should be many times more than that in order to be enough, now there are not enough people just in... the base, and you have to recruit another million or so people to replace these gradually, gradually, besides that, another question, which is also arises, one of the largest items of expenditure is the military salary, that is, there is no such tool so that we can now collect a million, train a million, they wait, wait, wait, and then these millions leave, well, it won’t work like that, moreover , we need to understand that we need

these people to... just recruit, train, to teach qualitatively, i.e. it is...