we have already done this, and now mr. sebiga is declaring that russia is going to strike at these distribution capacities, yes, and after that there was another statement, this is already a statement from the office of the president of ukraine, and in fact, this statement is similar, only already in a more dramatic tone, it was said that in the event, in the event that there is such an impact, and in the event that there is any damage, as far as i understand, to the nuclear power plants. then there may be radiation, which will also spread to the countries of the european union, that's it these two statements, they came out today, and they refer to ukrainian intelligence, this means that such strikes are in fact already somewhere on the way, that is, ukraine in this way, as far as i understand, is trying to preempt such a process, i do not know how much we can prejudge such a process because the russians. all

the time trying to find a weak point, you are absolutely right that they are not going to attack nuclear power plants, it is not that they are not going to, i don't think they can, because what can be really done there, but if you attack distribution stations, they are already one once seen, you basically force the nuclear power plant to stop, i don't know what the radiation threat is and i don't know if we need to scare europe all the time, but it will mean that we don't have this key to nuclear energy... because many said, well, what can the russians do to us, they still can't stop our nuclear plants, if they can't take them under control, like zaporizhia, then these nuclear plants will produce as much energy as we need for the population and industry in the winter, they won't freeze us well, it turns out that there is this achilles heel, and you have to think about it, it's distribution stations, if you take out a distribution station out of order, it can't take energy from a nuclear plant, then the nuclear plant is forced to...

stop its reactors, so that it produces more energy than it can put on the market, well, this is the reality, well, i don't know, listen, we are again, i don't want us to talk in dramatic tones, we know the goals of russia, the goal russia, as i listed in this program already from its point of view demographic war with ukraine, these are logical goals for the aggressor, it is also absolutely clear for our allies, it is necessary to carry out certain measures to protect these objects, if possible, perhaps, these statements are essentially a prerequisite for to force our allies to step up measures, additional air defense systems, andriy sebiga appeals to magate, but magate cannot do anything, we no longer have a system of international law in which some international organization influences the sovereign government, well, we just have to realize that too. that we can

to pretend that it is so, but it is not so, and in this situation, as you understand, it remains only to think that we are warned about the threat, you understand, we should not warn about the threat, we should warn ourselves through a threat in order to survive this winter, and by the way, and the next one, this may not be the first winter of such a war, but relatively speaking, it is not the first, it is the third, but it may be the fourth or fifth, well yes you just have to prepare to survive winter after winter with the population in our country, not against its. and the borders are fine, here i completely agree with you, and of course, you need to talk to people, you need to explain, you don’t need, as they say, to soften your eyes, but still say frankly that winter can really be difficult, and really we must prepare, each of us must prepare for the fact that from the conditional november, well, we will have to somehow, somehow survive these few, at least...

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foresees the alleged invitation of ukraine to nato and the european union, arms deliveries to a large amount, we are also talking about the economic support of our country. at the same time, the zelensky president of ukraine declares that the second peace summit should put an end to the war. at the same time, zelensky, we remind you once again, will present this plan to biden, harris and trump next week, and in particular, zelensky also states that this plan is 90% ready. mr. vitaly. there is another plan, a plan for changes with russia, well, we will get to that as well, but actually this is the plan, which is at least officially announced by the ukrainian government, this plan, it, to the extent that it is viable at all, there are points in there that, well, in my opinion, appear to be impossible

to implement in the near future, at least in the near term, and it is clear that this plan, as far as it is viable, given the fact that russia is unlikely to agree to at least a few of his points, then why is zelensky doing this and what should we really expect from all this? well, look, there are three plans, one prepared, two in the third being prepared: zelenskyi’s peace formula, zelenskyi’s victory plan and the plan for changes with russia zelenskyi, and the presence of one document in principle contradicts the presence of two others. well, in general, i apologize. we see that, in principle, many statements of the ukrainian authorities contradict each day, you know, in the morning we read about peace, in the evening we read that we will not make any concessions, the next morning we read that we will still have to sit down at the transition table, well, on the one hand, on

the other hand, if we call it not plans, but, let's say, political intentions, then everything will fall into place, i think that we you have become victims of the svichastyl, here is president zelenskyi... they think about these plans, i would say, this plan of information activities, uh, this is the impression that there is a plan of information activities in the president's office, and they simply work according to this plan, and in it should contain points of different plans, if you and i were to call zelenskyi’s peace formula simply ukraine’s idea of ​​a just peace, the ukrainian society’s idea of ​​a just measure is already absolutely clearly stated there, absolutely exactly as in the sociological report, by the way, which corresponds to really. the understanding of how to restore international law, how to protect sovereignty, there is no point in this plan, this peace formula, that cannot be disputed. now, in order to develop this, directives are being created, in fact, for zelensky's visit to the united states. well, we ask

the president all the time, well, you have a formula for peace, but how do you want to put it into practice? after all , none of these points correspond to real possibilities. you discuss them, you come. delegations shake your hand, you take pictures with everyone, and he answers and this is the plan that we should be admitted to nato, the plan, maybe we don't know what is really there, the plan that there should be more serious sanctions against russia, the plan that there should be secondary sanctions against the countries of the global south , who cooperate with russia, and so on, and so on, plan, plan, well, this is the answer to the question of how you... want to implement the peace formula, now you can ask another question, how you want to implement these points, but that is what zelensky is offering to the allies, now the next document is coming, a if all this is really successful, then we need to sit down with russia at the negotiating table, well,

if all these victory plans are approved, then we will have to negotiate peace with russia, here are our positions regarding these peace agreements, everything is absolutely logical, simple there is no relation to reality, but that's another matter, but on the other hand, maybe the president's office is thinking not so much about reality as about necessity. to keep people in a state of expectation of a quick end to the war. i don't know how rational that is. i i say all the time that it seems to me that people should plan their lives, including service in the armed forces, including work, including staying or not staying in ukraine, based on the perspective of a long war, so i say to myself , without any government statements there. the conflict has been going on for 10 years, which means that my country has been in a conflict for 10 years, all 10 years. with greater or lesser intensity , military actions continue, which means that there is a probability that for another 10 years it will be absolutely

calm, this may continue: the war high intensity war, low intensity war, missile strikes, environmental disasters, power cuts, fuel shortages, all of these will be part of my life, if i do say so myself, i understand, i really will have to be there someday to be conscripted to actually pay more tax . because the state will be forced to rebuild itself into a military system and its whole essence will be precisely that it will deal with defense, and the one who will be in the rear will pay most of the money he earns to support the army, and how else does he want to survive, plus infrastructure, plus that, plus that, that is, to agree to a certain limitation of the rights and freedoms of the citizen for many years, what was important for the ukrainian state, there its democracy from the electoral point of view will become part of our history 1900 91-2022 everything this is such a reality, well reality, no,

let's think that everything will end in december, we will hold one summit, a second, a third, then the question arises, if everything ends in december, maybe we should just wait until december, wait for someone at home, why it is necessary to take up arms, if in december and so there will be peace, someone will... wait abroad, why return here while the war is on, it is better to return to a peaceful country, and so on month after month after month, in december i immediately think that it will end in march, in march i get in the way that it will end in october of the next cancer year, and so i am already a pensioner, and it does not end and does not end, i remember andriy a beautiful phrase from one of... novels by mario vargosaliosa, who, well, on behalf of his

hero, mentioned his a relative who died in peru, and he said, "well, by and large my nebizh had an absolutely fantastic life, he lived his whole life waiting for changes, and he never saw them, but he always expected that changes were about to happen. so, you don't have to. to live life waiting for changes is the most barren life you can imagine, you have to live with an understanding of reality, then you can change this reality, mr. vitaly, well, we have been living like this in ukraine for many years, and it was even before wars, wars, well, really, well, war just paints all this in very dramatic colors, and look, right here there are some inconsistencies, on the one hand, the verkhovna rada of ukraine is currently considering the issue of raising taxes, which is quite significant. and we see that among many of our citizens there is a lack of perception as to why this

should be done, and i understand why this lack of perception exists, because people are not explained why, on the other hand, the same people ask the question, why raise taxes now? if we are told that there will be a second peace summit in november and all this will be over, on the other hand, i am even every day, i am now on our airwaves with a person chatted, they also ask me questions, and when it's all over, i won't... worry about how to continue to build my life, why do they do this, and there are actually a lot of such questions every day, that is, you are absolutely right here talking about , that we somehow need to talk to people and somehow explain to people what we will have, what we will have a plan for the future, because even i personally, taking into account the fact that we have one thing in the morning, another in the afternoon, absolutely third statements from official, i say again persons, i am already silent there about experts, about who else. and this is actually not something that demotivates, it introduces, it disorients, it introduces

a lack of understanding into what will happen even by the end of this year, well, you see, another big problem, i think, is communication between the authorities and society, the president and his subordinates, all the time want to prove to our countrymen and you that the end of the war depends on them, and this is also a very dangerous thing, you understand, when we start to believe that the end. war on one or another terms depends on zelenskyi, that's why we are fighting that he becomes the leader of the resistance, he fights as the supreme commander, he... fights with the russians, and he wants and agrees, uh, it's a matter of his desire, not even now, it's a matter of when he will finally finish the job over the plan of negotiations with the russians, will finish and come to an agreement, which is not true, nothing depends on zelensky in such a situation, when putin is not going

to end the war, zelensky is a victim, he is the president of a country that is a victim of aggression, the aggressor here is putin. agresov can only be stopped, but it does not depend on you when you you will end the war because you are not the one who attacked. the one who attacked may wish to end the war. and this, by the way, has been said a million times by western leaders, from biden to macron and scholz. if putin wants to end this war, he doesn't need zelensky for that. he can finish it in 24 hours. i think even for two. and zelensky needs putin. putin does not need zelensky to end the war. zelensky putin needs to end the war. zelensky cannot end the war without putin, but putin can without zelensky, that's why that these are russians on the territory of our country. russia believes that we should lose our sovereignty. russia is sure that without annexing the territory of ukraine, it cannot become a major civilizational, international player, and therefore it must pay any price so that ukraine never

exists again. these are different things, we, we do not want all this. we do not believe that, if there will be. there will be no russia and ukraine, in the political sense of the word, we have no problems with russia, except that it is an aggressor, and russia is with us, it wants us not to it was, this is a different way of asking the question, and if our fellow countryman with you once again has the illusion that the problem is with zelenskyi, we are moving again into the absolutely, i would say, terrible world of 2019, when a huge number of people in... . and zelensky among them said that the war continues because the current government wants it, it gets rich from it, and if you remove the people who get rich from the war, this seems to me to be a quote from shefir or someone else, then the war will stop immediately , now they are saying the same thing, moreover any case of corruption, we understand that corruption is a part of this whole story,

an obvious part, and again, its strengthening could have been predicted 5 years ago, just this. of course, when you bring unprofessional leadership to power, you give the hands of corruption such a weapon that it cannot but use, and corruption will increase every year, not unprofessional leadership, until it literally strangles this public administration, takes they locked him up and won't let him go for the next few days three or four decades, you have to be clearly aware of this, you will not get anywhere from corruption, you yourself got into the darkness, where it was, but it starts right away, but the war continues, because they get rich from it, of course, they are always dirty people who get rich on the war, the russian-ukrainian war will create a lot more wealth for ukrainian officials and people close to the government, there is no doubt about it, but they did not start this war and they cannot end it, they cannot

to say: oh, we don't need to get rich anymore, let's have peace now, we already have enough money, we can already do it. buy villas in italy, in france, in monaco, factories, steamships, buy all ukrainians and sell them 100 times, everything, we need peace, because they are not the ones to decide, the russians will decide when there will be peace, the russians, not the ukrainians , and what should be done so that the russians decide that peace is blowing, they must be stopped until you stop the russian, he will fight, so here is the real peace plan, russian troops are stopped, russian attacks do not reach their goal, ukrainians are hitting russia, thus creating conditions for war to become an inhabitant of russian settlements, as well as ukrainian ones, and on the territory of the two countries, in fact, black unrestrained life continues along with war not one, but two, and this is an important condition, and russia, not having the opportunity

to advance its troops and not having the opportunity to destroy the ukrainian infrastructure, together with this in... loses billions of dollars every day, then the warehouse exploded, then something went wrong to sell, then some chinese bank refused to have any business with russia, and here every day, not even subordinates ask putin, he himself asks himself, well, here are these troops, and what’s next, maybe we need to act differently, he starts about is to think, at least, ugh, and that he will think about it 10 minutes a day, until he wakes up and thinks about ukraine, as yeltsin commanded, remember, he said, every russian official should wake up in the morning and think about ukraine , that's what they do now, that's it. then it can be real there will be a possibility of ending the war, and then zelensky can really write a plan, because then at least some platform for a compromise can appear, and while they

are crawling like storans in pokrovsk, while they are preparing missiles to freeze the ukrainians, so that the ukrainians have no chance for many survive the winter, at least there in certain regions, and they believe in it while they. can maintain a certain social level as long as they can pay money to their contractors, and as long as the competition continues in the russian regions, who will pay more, and by the way, look, andrei, this is not a fictitious competition, there are regions that cannot pay extra, such as khakassia, let's say, it pays zero rubles to those who go to serve under a contract in addition to this amount, which is .. but the federal government, and there are regions that pay a lot, which means that they have not yet exhausted all the money, at the moment when we say to you, listen,

80% of russian regions do not pay additional money to their contractors, no stimulate them to they them, it means that on a large part on the territory of russia, there are no problems with regional budgets, there are none yet, well, these are just objective data, because you understand, we... you and i will never fully understand the statistics of the development of the russian economy, but here is what, by and large, russia can show , what it is really capable of doing in terms of recruiting people, we can judge by these federal and regional payments, well, but in principle, then we return to the so-called victory plan, the more money the allies give us, the more they give us weapons, the more russia will have. the less likely we are to fight back, the more likely it is that we will go somewhere on some track of the end of the war, i am again, i do not know when. there is a chance to implement such a plan,

at least in the near future 3.6, where months? i thought that you were asking about the nearest plan, that is, what you were talking about, the plan for conditional victory in the next decade, and in the next term of the president of the united states, the next one, that is , from march. a window of opportunity opens until february 2030, and until march, relatively speaking, we will be in that mode receiving the help that we were, maybe president biden will go to some non-standard decisions, but in any case, you see, look at what is happening with biden, he is in a certain political trap, on the one hand, he can... now make any -what is the decision regarding more intensive aid to ukraine and not being responsible for its long-term consequences, because this is the end of his political career, which he did not expect.

ugh. if he were running for president of the united states right now, not at all it was necessary to show him nothing, he would be careful about the definition. but on the other hand, he has to make such a decision, which certainly should not become a problem for the presidency. ugh, so he can't afford a so -called acute escalation, because if there is any acute escalation, then trump will immediately say: look, these crazy people, they brought the country to the third world war, already, he's already saying it now, it's a big part of his election campaign, if they let russia shoot at ukraine, shoot at russia, it will lead us to world war iii, says trump. this is a quote. and during the period of transit of power, it is acceptable. and there, from november 5 to january 20, there may be some non-standard dependencies on who will be elected, ugh, then there will be a transfer of cases, which means that

the administration that transfers cases to its successors, as a rule, does not make any such tough decisions that contradict the ideas successors, consultations must take place, because everyone understands perfectly well, this is a matter of the succession of power, that you cannot make decisions that then, according to which... your successor will slander, this does not happen in big politics, well, again, can biden increase aid to ukraine, well , first of all, within the framework of the budget that is allocated for aid, we talk about biden all the time, yes as if there is no congress, again, it is biden, zelensky will show everything to biden, well, biden, as you remember, was ready to help us with this amount, which is now allocated to congress six months before the congress made this decision and ... absolutely conscious, this is exactly trump, you have to name things with their names, inhibited the allocation of this aid, and agreed only when he saw that it would not bring any electoral losses for him, then the question arises,

that is even. if the victory plan says what is necessary, maybe we don't know this, but that's what the western media say, guarantees of military aid for ukraine, and what about the congress? well , let's say that president biden says to zelensky, it's a great idea, volodymyr, you need to guarantee help, i'm ready to do it, i'm completely, i'm in favor of it with both hands, well, that's exactly what you can say to the president i can say to zelensky, he can meet with us and show us the victory plan, but then he will have to go to the congress. and so the question arises, and this congress, he will vote, the most important thing is, how much is left of this congress? three months, nothing. ot. in two months there will be a clear understanding that there is a new majority. if it 's going to be a republican majority, but republicans absolutely don't need to vote for something that's not in their best interest, and they know that, before a new

president, and they know that the next… will continue that line if there is a democratic majority, but the republicans will definitely try to shift all responsibility for such decisions to the democracy, and vice versa, so the options are limited in this regard, well, again, we may not like it all, but this is what professional politics looks like, well, listen, well, president zelenskyi can definitely understand this, because he is in his own parliament, having a monomajority there for... them anonymous people, whose names he himself does not even know, who these people are, who he in principle led to the supreme for the sake of ukraine, he is constantly faced with the situation of the absence of a majority there, that's how it is, he thinks, how is it, i have a monomajority, and i am forced to go to political bidding from the former opzh, without the votes of the former pro-russian forces, i cannot rule the country , and biden has none. or in the majority,

and unlike zelenskyi, he knows all the senators and congressmen for sure, he knows that these are all people who have real political careers, these are all people who depend on their voters, the deputy from zelenskyi yes, zero depends from his voter, zero, because this voter doesn't even know his name, then, when he learns that there is a conditional bezangular in the parliament, he starts saying: oh, and this, who voted for her, what is this, who you voted for her, did you? you followed her, you voted with your pen, and now, well, that doesn’t happen like that in america, it’s not a kindergarten, it’s an adult country, so there they also vote for very strange people, melari, what was her name there, melari, taylor green, it's 150 bezless, bezless napoleon bonaparte and cicero compared to mailary taylor green, but... on the other hand,

the people who voted for the majority, i'm sorry, they knew exactly who they were voting for, she didn't suddenly appear as a kinder surprise in parliament, she was a political figure, she she was public, she expressed her opinions, she spoke at a rally, you absolutely consciously vote for such a person, that's the difference, well, these are people who have been working towards their goal for decades, of course, i'm sorry, but in the united states of america , congressmen and senators. .. there are, which are in politics with 70s and 80s of the last century, there are those who have been for 30 years, there are those who have been going for their goal for 20 years, 30 years, 15 years, i’m sorry, starting from that they were an aide to someone, or a low- ranking, democratic or republican party, and now they became a congressman or

a senator, that is... that there are young people, these young people still go to rallies by themselves, give speeches by themselves, that's sparts, yes , she is a young politician, and she was left with requests asking her to again was re-elected because she is a popular person in indiana, she is not a veteran of politics, but she knows how to find an approach to people in indiana, this is a very important thing that we also forget all the time that america, also like the european union , is great, the united states, you you need to find a common language not with some abstract american, like here you need to find a common language first of all with a ukrainian, no, you need to find a common language with people in indiana, in oregon, in california, in new york and these are different languages, completely different political language, and when a person knows how, of course, his party needs him, society needs him, and he can be very...