in recovery plans. challenges - these are actually these plans, yes, money, but not only that, because we have, as we saw in the plot, and what the builders say, we are starting the restoration process, and again somewhere it can fly nearby, and this is also a challenge, and, in addition, mostly men work at the reconstruction facilities, because it is hard work, and men are primarily needed at the front. what challenges do cities and the country face in the process of reconstruction? in general, such challenges are mostly related to armed aggression itself, with destruction of the infrastructure, but not exclusively, because the infrastructure was inadequate even before the armed aggression, i mean outdated equipment, outdated production. somewhere

, the infrastructure is not inclusive in some institutions, it also needs updating, needs special approaches, in addition, today there are certain new regulations, new requirements for various infrastructure objects, and this must be taken into account during reconstruction, other challenges are of course those and damage, which is inflicted on nature, inflicted on the nature reserve fund from... forests were burned to destruction, which greatly increased the emissions of greenhouse gases, we have a very strong impact on the ecology due to armed aggression, very significant challenges also concern the migration of the population, internal displacement and departure of our citizens abroad, we understand that communities will recover when there is a population in these communities, not then, but in that... if the population can

return, and these should be interconnected processes, so we also expect the adoption at the state level of a state demographic strategy that will define some tasks, the measures that will be implemented in order to return citizens to communities, perhaps there will be some community support programs in the field of people support, are also very significant. educational losses due to the fact that students have been learning remotely for a very long time, the quality of education has decreased, many do not have the opportunity to study at all, those and the subvention that was provided for the arrangement of shelters in educational institutions, it was in the 22nd year, was in she was in the 23rd year and in the 24th to the 25th year, unfortunately, for arranging shelters in...

educational institutions do not have funds, but there is still a need, there is still a need in educational institutions in order to create safe conditions for students there, these are the challenges you need to state policy, i also wanted to ask you about roads and bridges, because sometimes people say where, what roads are not on time, there would be a roof over the head, but... is it on time, how much is on time and why is it, why is it still important? first of all, the road gives an opportunity to provide humanitarian aid, to provide some kind of urgent support, in some cases it is the evacuation of the population, because we understand that there such communities are close to the front line, which are very close to the front line, and it is necessary to be able to evacuate citizens, of course, cen...

ization and ensuring the defense of those settlements that are very close to the front line. what is the number of these damaged road bridges that need to be restored now. that's a total of about 20%, more than 20%, of all the losses that there are, and that's about 30. 7 billion at the end of 2023, thus according to this rapid assessment jointly prepared by international institutions and the government of ukraine, which were made at the end of the 23rd year, we operate with such data, we do not have new ones at the moment. approximately how much time, is there any understanding, is needed in order to restore all, all roads and all bridges? unfortunately,

this cannot be said for sure, as it depends on many factors and on the amount of funding, on how quickly these will be provided. to what extent all procedures will be carried out effectively, to what extent there will be enough labor for construction, but how about you mentioned, there are certain problems with the fact that a lot of workers and materials are needed, and it is also necessary to organize and find such resources, not only financial, but also human, material and technical, and others. mrs. tetyana, thank you for the conversation, thank you for these figures and for explaining where and what challenges we are facing in the process of rebuilding the country. tetyana melnyk, an expert on the restoration of municipal infrastructure of the association of cities of ukraine, was our guest today, i would like to remind you that you watched the special edition

of the urban reconstruction and development program, thank you thank you for being with us, my name is lesya vakulyuk, and i will see you next saturday at... 18:30 stay tuned to the spresso tv channel. we are returning to saturday's political club, live air, and we will now talk about international events, those that affect the situation in the world, well, in ukraine, of course, as well. war in the middle east. pager attack, so that's what we're going to be talking about, actually, you all watched what happened in lebanon earlier this week, all of a sudden, hundreds of pagers, hundreds of different gadgets, later

after a few days, various representatives of the terrorist hezbollah began to explode, and 37 dead, well, this is the minimum, this is the minimum, we cannot really know, because the lebanese authorities can hardly even theoretically report the real number, more than 3,000 wounded, there in particular there are representatives of iran among the wounded, in particular the ambassador, yes, there are a lot of iranians who lost an eye, in particular there are people who lost their sight, yes, or their sight was damaged. their eyes were damaged, well, in particular, western publications say that pagers, conditional pagers and other gadgets were waiting for this command, some media reported that such an operation was being prepared for about 15 years, whether it is true or not,

we will either never know, or we will know only after some time, but from some other massad book, maybe, but on the other hand, well... this is something new, this is some completely new level, this is something that was not expected, that was expected in general, rockets, drones, some, some explosions, here what actually happened is that, in fact, today , the whole concept of such a concept is overturned modern war as security, modern, modern security system in particular. in the middle east, but i would say here that this is not only about the middle east now, it is about the whole world now, and now everyone, well, a terrorist and not only a terrorist will pick up their gadget and be afraid that you are a terrorist, and

not only a terrorist, i say, a terrorist and not only a terrorist, any person will now be afraid, by the way, they are actively talking about it, including on russian television, now i have already seen it. if we talk about at least here, here, this block, no, for now, we will not rush into a full-fledged war, but this block of what happened in lebanon, this special operation, these explosions, these pagers, these gadgets, in your opinion, how much will it generally affect the general security system, on the general fear, of various representatives of various states, and what will this change in our world and in the world's politics, well, by the way, we need to start talking about it from a technological point of view, because what you have drawn , this is a utopia to a certain extent, but here it is

you manufacture an iphone, which is the iphone you have, it is chinese-made, but one way or another it is controlled by the company, the manufacturer, and she answered. it gives for your safety and this is an american company. well, in principle, now this american company should think about whether it should transfer the production of iphones to india and taiwan. as far as i understand, the details have already been transferred to india there somehow half and half, because it is a huge risk now for her, because in principle the chinese special services, as it turns out, can install anything you want in such a gadget, if, if you can't, find explosives, then you can't find anything, but imagine, we understand that it's not just there that hezbollah bought some paging for its militants and just, you know, brought the box is like new.

times before giving someone to listen, for the existence of bugs, for the existence of explosives, for everything and they found nothing. nothing, i didn't even understand where they bought it from, some say from hungary, others say from bulgaria, others say from taiwan you can't find the ends, it's like with the iphone, where was it installed, in china or in america, so the first thing we have to do is we have to move the production, and now everyone will think about it, i think now with the owner apple will meet in the cia and the pentagon, tell him, listen, do you want to explode yourself? do you want us to explode? let's choose, we will all explode here together, let's re-re-transport the production,

because sooner or later whether it will happen, it's not a matter of one day, but in a couple of years, you have to do it once for a couple, but imagine that you don't have an iphone huawei, you will definitely have one, if you have such a specific democratic position, or you are an employee of the special service of some democratic country, and here you have taken this android. produced in china, i will not give a hryvnia for your life and safety, so what we are approaching, we understand exactly, if we are in this part of the world, we can only use equipment made in the west or with countries, allies of the west, gives full factory control, japan, south korea if we are in that part of the world where russia and china are, it means that any iphone can at any moment... or explode, or transmit some information about you, you don't know now to the end what

can be inserted there. this means that we are getting closer to a world where, ideally, every country should use technologies of its own production. and the entire production process should take place within the framework of one country or bloc of countries. it's the only chance, not that there's going to be any compromising files passed on you, it's... the chance to survive, you know, because somebody, if anybody photos that your wife or mother-in-law will not like will be broadcast on the tv screen, as was the case with prosecutor general skuratov, russian, it is of course unpleasant, but after that they do not die, they retire, they live, and if your leg is torn off or a hand, this is somehow a different situation, and before that you were a general prosecutor or an ambassador, here is a great example for you, i am an ambassador and i don’t have an eye, because i used... you’re right, i didn’t violate any security rules, which in principle had spread to diplomats of my rank,

well, it's just an ordinary disaster in this regard, the israeli special services, if it's them, let's say so, because they don't admit it, they opened a really new new chapter in the history of mankind, which means technological separation, and it will go, we are in such a dystopia we will live for the next 5-6 years. because first there will be walkie-talkies, pagers, then mobile phones, other devices, some kind of technology that is in the headquarters of special services, all this will explode, burn, it will just be part of a completely different war. so that's it the first point, the second point, well, by and large, the question now is how the situation will develop, because everyone is always afraid of a big war in the... middle east, that not only hamas, but also hezbollah will be a real part of this war, and all fear that

it will happen now. well, you have to understand a simple thing. we already talked about it at the beginning of our program. haisbala can say as many times as she wants that she will take revenge on israel. but in order to take revenge, you need to have the potential. this is exactly the same story as with strikes iran. we understand that, in principle , hezbollah is not the most numerous. organization in the world, because lebanon does not have a large population, the fact that it has disabled such a number of people is primarily people, where. they still have to be recruited, they need to be recruited, taught, given new reasons, without fear that they too will explode, this is also not clear, and this is all a huge problem, so it is difficult to say that there will be an urgent answer, now regarding the position israel, well, we were already waiting for one urgent answer, and in fact, maybe

this is exactly what israel would like to finish now. the pain politically, at least, you understand, because there is of course a need for hasbala to stop terrorizing the north of israel, from the north of israel, from such cities as kiryachmona, but also smaller ones such as mitula, people are evacuated. kiryachmola is, by our standards, an ordinary rytsentr, well less rytsentr, there is no population there at all. these people who live there are people who did not want to leave, but they are a significant minority, it is basically developed into a city with highways, with enterprises, with hotels, well, the city, well, it is typical, typical, conditional speaking, a village of the urban type, of the european model, and of course, well, it is not

different in europe, we understand well that a village or a small city is different from large ones in many ways. well, i just think, i was in kyriad, i lived next to it for several weeks, so i imagine the dimensions, i just want to understand what it is, but now let's see what it compares to in terms of scale, well, i think not with regional centers, probably ukrainian, we have large regional centers, not with, well, with a city like a bearded man, well, that's about it. i don't know if it's possible, sokali, for sure here is a city of this type, and imagine that all the inhabitants of this city, well, we have such a thing, by the way, we have such an evacuation from gluhiv, this is completely parallel to things, here gluhiv is such a city, here i am told that 22 population,

well, this is a taco, that is, it is a typical, typical district center, and all the people there... relatively speaking, they live now in hotels, with relatives, with acquaintances, this is not very good for the israeli government, because it's not the gas sector, next to it, next to lebanon, and that means they can't provide a normal life for these people, i'm very good i remember that during my first trip to israel in 96, given the year, if i'm not mistaken, and 96. representatives of the ministry of foreign affairs of israel specially took me and my colleagues to the borders of israel, and one of these borders was the border with lebanon, and they said that you see, it is absolutely peaceful here, but i would say, listen, it is a conditional peace, so that the israeli army is in the south of lebanon, which means a peaceful

border, you can cross it, and there will be peace there too, because there is an army there, if you remove the army from here, then the army... went on, the peace continued, i already came, relatively speaking, to drink coffee in metul, on the very border of lebanon and israel, already when there was no lebanese israeli army in lebanon at all, and this part was already controlled in fact by hezbollah, now in metul, like you you see, if you don't drink coffee, it's still drinking coffee in kupinsk, in kupinsk or maybe even yes, well in kupinsk yes, good, good comparison, your city is literally on fire. that means it should be stopped somehow, because you still understand that it is not just about security, a certain symbolism, all these cities and metula, and well towns, and kiryat shmona, this is one of the first settlements on the territory of the former mandatory palestine, the museum of the

israel defense forces, where it was born, is located 10 km from kirya shit that is, it was the territory where the institutional strength of the security forces and the security of israel began to be ensured. so next to kilyadshman in kibbutz geladia is buried yosif trumpeldor, the man who created the first jewish self-defense units on the territory of the former of mandatory palestine. and the fact that battles are going on next to the strumpeldorov grave and people cannot live there... is a blow to the prestige of the israeli government, and by the way, nasrallah knows this very well, because he, as you understand, we are all the history of the middle east we know attack precisely from the point of view of all the symbols, the people who are watching it, and he, when netanyahu says, you will not return the people to the north, that is what it means, you will not

be able to save face, i will not give you, and no and of course , i believe that he has, it is his duty as the prime minister of israel to save the face of their state, and that is why the capabilities of hamas must be destroyed, and that is why this war has been going on for how long, 351 days today, and that is why it must be destroyed. the capabilities of hezbollah, how realistic it is, is another question, because we understand that hezbollah is a much more serious structure than hamas, because hamas relies exclusively on the infrastructure of the gas sector, and hezbollah relies on the infrastructure of the lebanese state, it is more serious than the gas sector, and hezbollah is influence on the government, influence on the armed forces, drug trade, mafia activities. social welfare of the poor, whom they themselves made poor, but they help them, that is, this is a huge conglomerate of interests, iran with the help of hezbollah, so you understand,

just destroyed the lebanese statehood, here we are talking about something, but who are we talking to in lebanon, when we try to understand who is responsible for this state, there is an acting prime minister, for many years, this... person is performing duties, this is an illegitimate prime minister, a pre-minister who has already resigned , but continues to perform duties, because the government cannot, the parliament cannot elect a new one, and the whole government does, and in lebanese official documents this person is not called the prime minister of israel, this is lebanon, we call it that, but they call her in the arabic wording, the one who leaves the post, ugh, the prime minister who leaves the post, and they always say it clearly, the foreign minister. of affairs, the one leaving the post is not the former one, but the one who resigned, because they are all retired, they do not have a president,

they have not been able to elect a president for many years in a row, well there and until the elections are a big question, about theirs, about the legitimacy of these elections that allegedly took place there, elections may be held in them, but again these elections lead to the fact that they cannot reach an agreement, so that in fact all institutions, they are completely destroyed, that is, the state is not... functioning, the army is there, but this army is weaker than hezbela units. we talk about hezbela all the time, as if to fly, that it is a political party, and how does a political party have its army? well, this is also a very strange thing. moreover, this army enjoys the support of the speaker of the parliament lebanon, who at the moment is one of the highest officials in the absence of the president, because the speaker of the parliament was a political ally from another shiite party. but a political ally, and this is such a disaster, you understand, and this, as long as this disaster continues, it is absolutely obvious that

there can be no question of any peace in the middle east, and iran is interested in this disaster, but that is not all, we we watch later, after this pagergate, how the israeli armed forces tzahal attacked beirut, that is... there were actually hit all over lebanon, not just in beirut, dozens, maybe hundreds of different sites, mostly military sites that are related to hezbollah, and we see that there was also air strikes, we they saw that ballistic missiles were also used there, that is, in fact, we can even say that as of now... israel and lebanon are in such, if not a direct war, then a pre-war state. could there be a full-scale war? well, look, lebanon is definitely not at war with israel

will be israel can only fight with hezbollah, lebanon does not even have the strength to fight a war with israel. but the important thing is that what you are talking about these strikes are, by and large, israel's attempts to destroy the infrastructure. these are not only walkie-talkies, not only. pager, it's these missile strikes. why? because they are first of all. aimed at the top leadership of the sbu, i want to show you this graphic, we cannot show it to the audience, but we can look at it ourselves, it is actually a graphic that shows the composition of the leadership of hezbollah, and here you are you see that the leader of hezbollah, hassan nasrallah, he continues to lead the organization, but three of his top three deputies, two of them, ibrahima kiel - this was yesterday, and foad shukr, this was recently, actually from the ... destroyed from their subordinates, from of the five people who exercised direct leadership of the militants , four out of five have already been destroyed, which means that in fact

the leadership of hezbollah as... has been eliminated under hassan nastral, there is no one, of course, now new people may appear in these positions, but they it will take some time to enter the course of affairs, and they can also be eliminated, and in any case, you understand that when you have a kind of politburo of nine people, of these nine people, six have already been destroyed, then it is not very what is hezbollah counting on then, they... they didn't realize that this would be the result, well it was, it was actually obvious, if hezbollah continues to escalate the situation, at least part of the leadership, at least part of their infrastructure objects will simply be destroyed, what did they expect with their actions? the first thing they do they count on the fear that israel will not dare, because they will be afraid of the answer, and we must understand that we are dealing with people

who are quite fanatical. one should not think that hassan nasala lives in any real world at all, first of all, no one has ever seen him in the real world in his life, all these people, ibrahim keel, foad shukar, these are people who appeared in the real world world, so they could be killed. when was the last time you saw hasan alive on strala? all his performances are performances by video link. maybe not exists? well, maybe he is, maybe he doesn't exist, but maybe it's such, you know, an image, yes, but he always speaks, addresses people via video link. here we are talking about putin's white table, but putin already at least goes out to people, and hassan nasala never does this, that is, in theory, even if he exists, he is there somewhere in some bunkers and is, of course, how and how his counterpart in gaza, yah kesenwar, his brother mohamed, these people exist, but no one has ever seen them since the time when this all started, so they are hiding in some bunkers, and just yahysen, unlike khatan, goes to the village and does not address anyone, so it

is generally very difficult to understand... what kind of world he lives in, that is, if you live all the time in complete isolation from the real world, do not communicate with any people, communicate in the last case, here is ibrahim makil and faad shukr, then you create your own picture of reality, which is beneficial to you, this is the first moment, the second moment, you are one way or another dependent on the country that supports you, behind hassan's back they fucked up, if he is there with someone it happens, always... you can see portraits of the ayatollahs of italy, not some lebanese politicians, this is not a person who has state continuity with lebanon, that's the horror, this is a person who has state continuity with iran, because what is lebanon? lebanon is a state that, by and large , was founded in order to ensure the interaction of arabs, christians, sunnis, shiites and druze, and

to distribute power in this complex. ethno-confessional state between them and the main state succession of lebanon is connected with the lebanese christians, because another states in the arab world, except for lebanon , they don't have any at all, and all the famous lebanese politicians that we mention when we talk about the history of lebanon are christians, maronites, people who are in the church that obeys the vatican, it is basically such another remake of the greek-catholic church only on the levant land, but... hezbollah is an organization that lives by the idea of ​​the shiite world, i.e. iran, shiites of iraq, shiites of lebanon, shiites of bahrain, it is a completely separate state structure, so to speak, supranational, supranational , which should control these states, where the shiites live. why, by the way, iran still has a claim on azerbaijan, and they show it like this all the time, trying to somehow

strengthen their position there. because in azerbaijan , part of the population is azerbaijani shiites, there is a sunni population, and there are also many shiites, here is a question relevant to you, so if you are not interested in the state interests of lebanon, but are interested in the state interests of iran, then maybe you can sacrifice lebanese security for lebanon as such to strike a greater blow against israel, that is, for hasan after all, lebanon is just such a weapon, lebanon itself, with the help of which he wants to harm israel. that's all, and if we are talking about another international track in this context, in particular the united states of america, trump has already spoken about it, of course, that could be expected. trump said that muslims should not be allowed into the united states of america, in particular, he said this in the context of his election campaign.