to put pressure on hizballah, and so let's start this chaos, another matter, which implies obviously that immediately after the bombings there was, well, as they say, we don't know, but the optimal time to start a foreign operation is when there was chaos in lebanon, loss of control , apparently, it is not known exactly how much, by the way, but this did not happen, i am inclined to think that this is part of the pressure plan. on hezbollah, after it became possible to withdraw troops from the gaza sector and use them to pressure the intimidation of hezbollah in the north. iran, probably, in this of history, because we understand the beneficiary of hamas' activities in general, about iran, of course, is also another topic, yes, taking into account the fact that iran, of course, supports the kgb, supports many terrorists, well, iran, including terrorists. who are

currently at war with ukraine, i mean the russian federation, and we all know that this country has supplied russia with a certain number of ballistic missiles, at least in the first batch , the number there is 200+, these are short -range ballistic missiles, up to 125, if i i'm not mistaken kilometers, but we received information from... foreign media that these launchers, including these, were not delivered. again, ukrainian and foreign experts say that russia itself can manufacture such installations or use the equipment it has, but less so. should we expect deliveries of the following batches from iran in the near future. missiles to russia, and

perhaps the most important question is whether there will be any real, i emphasize here, real responsibility of iran to the international community for de facto giving russia the opportunity to escalate the war with ukraine even more, this is happening against the background of the fact that the representative of iran said that iran is ready to resume nuclear negotiations on the nuclear agreement. on the sidelines of the un general assembly in new york, now literally, which will begin, whether there will be more deliveries, well, first of all, i am the not-so-not-so-expert who says, well, let's wait until the iranian missile arrives, is it really there, that is the first thing, well, 90% that it is, but 10% remains for the fact that it is not there yet, the russians have it, the second thing is whether to expect deliveries depends on... two

factors, first, uh, we are now entering a period of instability in the world, elections in the united states, well, such a period of great volatility, uh, the iranians will not consider that there, for example , can help trump win, they think differently, they think uh blackmail and deception and calculation, uh, if they think it will be beneficial for them, what they at this time. will be able to get more from russia, then there will be supply, if they consider that russia cannot pay, or they need to drag out the game to certainty in the states, sorry, in order to enter into some negotiations, there will be no supplies, and pazeshkan clearly said: my government did not supply missiles to russia, yes, hinting that what if. .. something happened, then it was

before me, well, can anyone stop it, if a decision is made in iran? in the next six months, it is very unlikely that anyone will stop iran completely, because only the united states can actually do it, and as we all know, in the next five months we will have completely different processes in the united states. well, by the way, to confirm your words, the guardian writes, i just read it. that the president of iran really stated that the country did not transfer weapons to russia, and that iran does not approve of russian aggression against ukraine, this is the message, and you remember what they are, remember what they are, congratulations on independence day , to be in complete agreement with you, it is necessary to understand that the iranians can play like this all the time, and you know, in this context, i wanted to ask you how to... still react to such actions of iran,

if it is really confirmed that iran supplied, we already know about shaheds, about ballistic missiles, whether it is necessary to terminate. diplomatic relations, do we need to impose some other stronger sanctions against iran than those we currently have against individuals, what should we as ukraine do in this context, regarding cooperation with iran, regarding diplomatic moves regarding iran after all these actions ? well, you can break it, but just after... until then there will not be any more minimal channels, in fact, it is much more important than this symbolic step, break diplomatic relations, show how it affects the security of europe, the united states and the middle east, that these missile deliveries are actually a blow not only to us, not

so much to us, actually, sorry, not so much to us, but to our western partners , and... if it is not strengthened, not only responsibility, but control over dual technologies and over missile, over the transfer of components used for the missile program, it will be worse not only for us, but for our western partners, and i i understand that the sanctions policy in relation to iran, the quality in relation to russia, it is difficult because its ugh. it is necessary to throw resources at its implementation, but unfortunately, yes, it is necessary to throw people's resources, money, time, it is all necessary to invest in revealing whole schemes. yes. mr. serhiy, thank you for joining eteru. serhii danilov, an expert of the center for near eastern studies, was with us in

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program, is actually the topic of mobilization, demobilization, if the first is regulated in our country, supposedly, then demobilization, but we have a problem with this, and we have the , which we have, but before that, let us remind you about our survey, it sounds as follows today in a way: will it strengthen the ukrainian army? the law on demobilization, well, again , a theoretical law, because it does not exist at the moment, but if there was such a law, we ask you, if so 0800 211 381, if not 0800 211382. so, let's move on to this topic, khrystyna will now give a little factual material, facts, why do we talk about this in general, why did this topic come up at all, why is it bubbling about in social... networks, why are we discussing it today, because in fact, in

zma, in social networks now about that people, servicemen, journalists, ordinary citizens, families of servicemen speak very loudly, but all this was preceded by one fact, one situation, which we will tell you about now. by the way, i do not completely agree with you that everyone is talking about this, this is a very niche story, and here i agree with my colleague pavlo kazarin, now a military ... official, a fairly well-known ukrainian publicist, journalist, who said that this is a niche topic even for journalists, and it sounded like a challenge, it seems to me that it is worth paying attention to even in our program, but really, let's start from the beginning, let's say this, it was brewing for a long time, it was maturing for a long time, someone from the military environment wrote about the approach of a similar situation, when the gap between the army and

the rear will be felt, you know how it is rarefied air in the mountains, this is approximately what is happening now, in particular , they started talking about it because the serviceman serhiy gnezdilov, a man who has been in the defense forces for 5 years, that is, it is not only about the period of a large-scale invasion. a person who has certain media influence and, i would say, image capital, declares that she is going to the szh. szch is the voluntary leaving of a unit before the establishment of clear terms of service or before its 25th anniversary, having behind it 5 years of impeccable service as a soldier. i emphasize, flawless. i hope that with this act it will be possible to convey to the authorities and society the need to talk and solve this situation. my position remains. unchanged, we have to create a mobilization queue from the number of all ukrainians obliged to serve in the military, and then demobilization will become

reality, an armed and trained nation cannot be defeated. hnezdilov says that if you stay in the army, and you are an infantryman there, then you are actually guilty of staying without serious injuries and injuries, although we understand that people have difficult ones. but they still return to the front and very often this is not a reason to pull them out of the front, so even for our military medics of the military environment, if you remained whole more-. less complete there, let's say so, and so on, then you will remain at the front forever, because the state does not offer you any unconscious understandings, limits, how long this will continue, alina mykhaylova from ulf, vovki davinci, says, it seems as if we are all lost at cards here, when i come to

my native dnipro and see how people are there, what a way life. they lead, i get the impression and feeling of injustice, i am retelling in my own words, the text is actually alina mykhaylova, at the same time there are two more examples that are spoken by active military personnel, media people, people who have an audience, that is, in particular, a journalist and military serviceman pavlo kazarin noted in his post that the topic of demobilization has actually changed. unpopular for politicians, niche for journalists and undesirable for most of their audience, let's also read now, here is his post in particular, in particular he says what i just voiced, instead this whole discussion is reduced to

how to write the right rules for civilians economic reservation, it is for... it conducts a price list for a civilian for the right not to wear a pixel, but at the same time no one, clear thing, is not going to introduce prices for the military for the right to remove it. one more, that 's not all, one more post that appeared today, and i, in particular, bookmarked it, and khrystyna and i literally, probably, read it all at once, because ihor lutsenko, a public figure and a military man , by the way, you are a member of the maidan, an ex-people's deputy, about whom you also know a lot, heard a lot, he also stated that he is sure that there will be no mass demobilization after 36 months of war, since a replacement is not being prepared, so he offers to give military personnel with extensive

management experience in civilian life the opportunity to form personnel themselves. the policy of the armed forces of ukraine and to establish relations with society, you can also see this post on our screens: we have 80% of yesterday's civilians in the army, writes ihor lutsenko, they fight well, so let them independently form their own army with their own rules and procedures, and let me remind you that all the innovations that we are proud of now came about thanks to grassroots activity, which... did not act according to the old soviet military regulations, well, these are the thoughts, this is the situation, so to speak, maybe christina has some kind of information array for us to convey, convey to the audience the essence of this problem, and i apologize for that, there is a problem, it should not be hushed up again ,

we need to talk about it, and we need to talk about it comprehensively, maybe there is still some information so that... we could finally form this vision of ours and the vision of the audience, what should be done with it and, as they say, what should be done start? in fact , the picture would be incomplete if i did not mention about posts of a completely different nature, well, of a completely different nature, these are posts that the violation of human rights and the brutalization of the arbitrariness of the tsk in ukraine continue, similar... in particular, there are even among rostislav ademchuk's columnists, by the way, i read it and asked a question , i see your post about the svavili shopping center, about what is being mobilized there, and really no one will probably argue with

the fact that, as they say, the stories of the krinje take place, and i myself have a lot of evidence. of how things don't quite happen, sometimes even in a legal way, but on the other hand, we don't have a whole, complete picture, and we can't, or can, i don't know, but it is necessary, for sure, that the authorities have already answered this, we, can we talk about , which is a real trend, that all tsc and all representatives of tsc are violators of human rights, they all do everything wrong, they only pack in small bags and so on, well, in general, as far as i'm concerned. i asked why you have a post about this, and a post about the fact that servicemen are shouting about their own in that, you know, dead end. in which in which they found themselves, that they are ready to turn around and are ready to commit an essentially criminal crime, just to be heard, they are demonstratively doing it, you

do not have a post about it, to which mr. rostyslav replied that i can actually talk about what i see, i see that civil society is talking mainly about what tsc is doing, about how mobilization, busification and so on and so forth are taking place. well, lawyers or military personnel should talk about that in the szch, which in principle, in my opinion, very much confirms the thesis of pavel kazarin, the topic of demobilization is very sensitive and has really turned into a very unpopular, very uncomfortable one, neither for the authorities nor for the civilian population, because the topic of demobilization of active servicemen will mean that they will need to be replaced by someone, and it would seem that we already have... updated mobilization rules are functioning, it would seem , certain processes of a mobilization nature should already balance and somehow harmonize our

military staff, but whether this is actually happening remains an open question, and once again the authors have to answer it of recruiting campaigns, the ministry of defense, possibly representatives of the military leadership, military-political leadership, by the way... one more piece of information, let's add one more thing: an interview of the head of the odesa regional trade center yuriy puyk was released today, and also such a noisy interview, which is being discussed today in social networks, in particular mr. puiko stated that the cases of busification of ukrainians have become much less, he stated that the tsk act within the limits of their rules, duties and powers and that now 90% of persons. members of the tsk are military personnel who went through the war and came to us wounded. he also said that they have

a sense of injustice embedded in their souls. well, there was also information there that the mobilization of people from villages and cities is proceeding equally, and so on and so forth. and that not everyone has a bad attitude towards shopping centers, on the contrary, there are good facts and good news. well , that's very true... in my opinion, this interview was perceived negatively among many, but it's clear why, because the reasons, as they say, are old-fashioned, there are those that no one wants give answers, when we talk about demobilization there, when we talk about the szch, yes, here the question is even more likely not for lawyers, here the question is... rather for people's elected officials, for law makers, for those who have to solve these issues, well at least if we are talking about demobilization, you know, this is an issue that,

unfortunately, is outdated, and this is an issue that, again, the authorities do not want to discuss, and this is an issue that, this is an issue that is avoided by society as well, no, well, we are talking about it, here he asks, here why some, here why some society. and they don’t talk at all, the same taxis, i don’t know, just neighbors, and so on, no, well, that’s right, and why should they, and why should they talk about it, if it’s not their condition, we just have a problem in the thing about us in the country is that our society is divided into two parts, the part that is related to the war, that is experiencing this war, that is living this war, and this does not only apply to military personnel, it ... applies, i will list then servicemen, volunteers, people who generally live with the issues of ukraine, i.e. this

the socially, politically, socially active part of the population, and the second part of the population, and we talked about this with you many times, not only within the framework of, conventionally speaking, mobilization or demobilization, we talked with you, it is generally about... the issue of the relationship to the country , to her situation, to a lot of sensitive issues in our country, so when, for example, khrystyna or anyone else says, they don't want to talk about it, well, conditionally there is a taxi driver, conditionally, not all, of course, not all, no we will, we will not say that all there are taxi drivers, we will not divide anyone, we will not speak for anyone, as they say, and hang labels on anyone, we are talking about the fact that... there is a part of society that, as they say, is tired of wars, and, well, i.e., i.e., who, well, relatively speaking, don't care a little, and

that's why they. they don't talk about demobilization, but about demobilization they talk about it, servicemen, families of servicemen, and these questions are raised by those to whom it is important, why it is important in general, because anyway in the country there must be some certain framework, certain terms, certain laws, and by the way, when the law on mobilization was adopted, what was promised to us, do you remember, do you remember, let's remember what our people's deputies promised us? they said that listen, we are not including the question of demobilization in the mobilization bill at that time, because we will have a separate law on demobilization that will be prepared within then, they called three to five months. today already, how much has passed, today since the time of discussion, that is, since december 2023, today how much has passed, nine months, nine

months have passed since that... time and absolutely everyone has forgotten about it, as if it does not exist, here i am returning not to this topic in general, but in general to the topic that we have a lot of issues in the country, they are just trying to gloss over, close their eyes, not to pay attention to this, to many problems, to many issues, to those issues that may potentially scare away someone's electorate, yes, because this, because someone thinks in terms of the categories of elections, someone thinks in a category... how to please one voter, another , third, tenth, and we say here about the fact that today we should not think in terms of voters, today we should think in terms of preserving the country and preserving human lives, today we should think in terms of how to unite people, how to make the country united, how to make any divisions in the country impossible, how to squeeze out

racist propaganda from ukraine. how to squeeze russian peace out of the country? does anyone like it or not? by the way, when we talk about , including, for example, the same decolonization, i'm sorry that i 'm rushing a little, i'm running ahead, we must we will come back to that, but this is also a matter of squeezing out the russian world, and when, i apologize, the people's deputies could not vote for renaming toponyms in ukraine for six months, last week they even more than that... they also blocked this vote, so this is what happens , it's this, it's the same, it's the same, i'm sorry, it's the same, it's about the same kind of issues, when we close our ears, close our eyes, try to avoid some sharp corners, but it seems to me that there is nowhere to avoid anymore, already in 2022 , the limit has come, when we have not what not to avoid, we must go head-on into these sharp corners.

talk about them, clean them up and, well, move, move forward, well, returning a little to the topic of the gap in importance and coverage by society in general, the topic of mobilization and demobilization, i would like to note that the vague demobilization rules could actually have a positive effect on the mobilization processes, because ... a large number of people, the only thing i would demand from the country now is an understanding of what will happen to me in a certain time and at what time, to join the army voluntarily, or to be mobilized and not understand when it can end specifically for this person, and it is difficult for many, and this is just the psychology of the masses, we can argue with this, not accept

it. but it's just a fact, so the demobilization rules are clear and fair, in fact, with all the consequences, all this should be resolved first on the floor of the ukrainian parliament, it should be a competent bill, some options, by the way, have already been proposed by some people's elected officials, nobody knows now i would like to do extra advertising. because someone can blame there in the hype on this topic, but options are offered, it would be good if they became the focus of attention of the entire ukrainian parliament, then maybe the mobilization will take on a slightly different tone, and accordingly, it will not cause some, only some people of our country, certain fears for their near future