organs to plant her for a long time to play. it was the program collaborators and i, olena kononenko. if you have information about the kremlin's progenitors, write to us at this e-mail address or simply on facebook, together we will send all the traitors after the russian ship. see you in a week on espresso. in the 56th separate motorized infantry brigade, where serhiy gnezdilov serves, they said that the soldier, i quote, committed actions that contain signs of a criminal offense, it is about voluntarily leaving the military parts, the szch was shortened, in fact in... they made

it clear that he would be punished. the position of the command is unchanged, there is zero tolerance for the commission of such acts, the press service of the brigade reported at the request of the public. then who and what conclusions should be drawn from this story, and to what extent the problem of szh is massive in ukraine, and whether the authorities are ready for a frank conversation about mobilization and demobilization. this is svoboda live, my name is vlasta lazur. serhii hnezdilov's action caused a mixed reaction among the military. on september 21, let me remind you, he is in public announced that after five years of service he was voluntarily leaving the military unit in order to draw attention to the lack of clear terms of service. some say that this is a political move, hype, irresponsibility towards fellow citizens, others say, wait. serhii, they say, highlighted a problem that everyone knew about, but pretended that nothing was happening. it is possible... but now his act is prompting

the authorities to change. gnizdilov himself stated in his social networks that, according to his data , 80,000 servicemen in ukraine are located in the nw. radio liberty hopes to receive a comment from the ministry of defense on this matter since yesterday, but they have not responded. well, we hope that the ministry of defense, the general staff, the verkhovna rada, the committee, especially of the verkhovna rada, which is specialized in matters of defense and intelligence, will give an answer to... this question will be communicated somehow, but there was already a reaction to this from roman kostenko, for example, a people's deputy from the defense and intelligence committee, a representative of the voice, he said that indeed, the lack of clear terms of service is a big problem, what about it, what are they thinking about it, what to do about it, but they say that mobilization is getting worse right now and that clear terms of service should be established right now, or somehow write down completely transparent and...

understandable principles of demobilization do not work, he said that there was such a conversation at the committee between deputies, representatives of the general staff, and representatives of the ministry of defense. well, at this point i should also remind you that in april of this year, when the verkhovna rada adopted the draft law on mobilization, then it was said that this document should contain norms, clauses about clear periods of service or about demobilization, even there it was proposed to establish. clear terms of service, but literally a day or two before the deputies in the verkhovna rada voted on this draft law, these points were thrown out of the document, and after that the ministry of defense said that they were taking 8 months to develop a separate draft law, in which the mechanism or principle of demobilization will be reflected, or written or established clear terms of service, as of... now

there is no such document, at least the ministry of defense does not say anything about it publicly, the defense and intelligence committee says that it is the task of the government to develop such a document, and for now the question, so to speak so to speak, hung in the air, and all this in the conditions of such, i would say, total silence on the part of the government, on the part of the ministry of defense, on the part of the general staff, i will remind you, how the military responded yesterday and today also responded to... i will remind you that their opinions on this matter were divided. this demonstrative media voluntary szch will have very sad consequences, about which, apparently, the author of this act does not think much. if this draws attention to something, it is only to the fact that violation of discipline is normal. instead, discipline is one of the foundations of any army, and such incidents greatly demotivate soldiers and provoke them to do the same. i do not agree with sergey's position. nezzilova,

the terms of service must be determined, it is high time, but not at any cost, or simply by turning around and going to the szch, because firstly, it is immoral to those who died. and was wounded, they gave their lives and health not in order to simply surrender the front later. and it is unfair to the brothers who remained on the front line of the service. secondly, it is important to preserve the state, not politicians, not some rule of law, but the entire state. i can understand everyone, but we also have to understand that if the russians are in kyiv, there will be no question of any deadlines. i am most sorry that szch gnizdilev will not change anything. command absolutely. for all these problems, all these surveys, morale records, reports and instructions, all of this is aimed at covering oneself from responsibility when, god forbid, something happens, but as for what really goes on in the soldier's head, no one cares, and living in a world where there is an army, they die people are at

war, friends get mutilated, and there is an abomination nearby who calmly drinks money and abroad, and then some fbi rolls out a release about a court in absentia and future metaphysical punishment. only dreams of the fact that we will be able to get some additional number of soldiers into the armed forces, and we will finally win the war, neither voluntarily nor forcibly, ukrainian society is capable of this, and the practice of intensive busification of the last six months shows this, and the experience of recruiting promoted military brands proves this, the influx of new real personnel into the armed forces, well, very modest, we have no other exit, how to count on those who are already in the army. serhii did it first and he did it honestly, i don't justify it, i don't condemn it, but i am worried. this domino may fall very soon, somewhere from march, because many have set themselves specific terms of service 3 years i should also mention that we have been calling serhiy hnezdilov himself on the air since yesterday, and he promised to join yesterday and

also promised to join today, but so far he is not getting through, at least he is not answering calls right now. so, there are no clear terms of service, the military demands that the authorities introduce them, the authorities, as i have already said. in particular, in the ministry of defense and in the verkhovna rada, as if they recognize that there is a problem and that clear terms of service are necessary, but they are in no hurry to implement changes, in particular because they say that there are risks, if we establish clear terms of service for the military now, then at some point a large part of the servicemen will leave the service, and there will not be a worthy replacement, they say. what do you think you think more precisely about this solution and about this problem, what can be the solution, you can write in the comments under this video, but also on ... our correspondents asked about it from people who live relatively close to front line in zaporizhzhia, and among people who live a little further from the front line in rivne, and listen to what they think, here the question is that the authorities must ensure the

appropriate terms, well, in our country, the verkhovna rada is responsible for all decisions, probably it should take responsibility for the fact that they started sending military men home. but i knew, for example, i served a month to zero, there is a stormtrooper or someone else there, he went to his family for two sundays, home, you understand, it needs to be exhaled, we have to make a law on

demobilization, first of all, and clearly defined rules, it's up to the elders to decide what should be done, i'm not a man of steel son. years already, now after the wounding at home, two months, well, the commission is already going through, it will go again, i understand, there are not enough people, but, but, in the loop that they are in, the verkhovna rada must adopt a law, and the president will sign, only reasonable, yes mobilization, reasonable, that would be better mobilization, i think, a person would go to him these tsck. oleksandr fedienko, people's deputy, representative of the servant of the people and member of the committee on national security defense intelligence joins our broadcast. i greet you, good evening. good evening, glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes. oleksandr, as a people's deputy and a representative of the defense intelligence committee, are you

concerned about the problem of saz in the army, does it exist? look, first of all, i want to share the indignation that i just heard from the citizens of ukraine from... different parts of our country, we can discuss a lot on this issue, but i still want to address the citizens that when the war ends, and when will putin decide to end the war? we depend on many factors, even on that factor, a do we have enough conscripts left who consciously want to sign a contract, or even mobilize in order to defend their country, homeland and in order to give the opportunity to those who have already been 2.5 years old, as the woman said about her son , or to go on rotation, or to go home on leave, or to apologize, or even to demobilize, if i understand you correctly, from... the military, who are currently at war, are participating in combat actions, have to see when for them, when there will be some

break for them, whether you meant it or not, i i just didn't understand, no, look, well, i said that the military, who are at war, they still have to understand that there is a suitable you and those military-obliged citizens of ukraine who will come to protect them, and they have to understand, and if the military in the war do not see this, that some, for example, protect, even then there was a young man... i don’t know, maybe he is temporarily limited, but at least, judging by his appearance, he is sufficiently military obliged, and why he is not at the front, but why he philosophized about what terms should be established for military personnel, as for the sz, look, er, this is a very sensitive, interesting, but difficult, painful issue, er, of course, i know the percentage and number of szz, even in different brigades, because i am enough.. . i often go

to the front with my colleague ruslan horobenko, and talk with the brigades, but i think that it is quite a difficult question, because some cases that i dealt with, when, for example, a serviceman came to the commander and said: look, i have family problems there, i want to go there for a week before therefore, to rule, and some commanders leave, they let go for such concessions, and some teams say: sorry, friend, i have no one to replace you. but another trigger is triggered when this man is in pain that he has some problems at home, so of course he goes to the sezachi, by the way, a corresponding bill was passed at the time, which, conditionally speaking, will not prosecute those who once went to szz, but this issue is painful, i personally do not know, for example, how to solve this issue, to punish, i believe that this is not a mechanism, even to bring them to criminal or other responsibility, but at the same time, i honestly condemn... that person who recently wrote on facebook that i'm sorry, i'm tired, i left. yes, this is serhii gnezdilov, he, he

has been in the army for five years, he has been in the army for 5 years, and he said that by his act, we actually started talking about this, from this we started the broadcast, and he said that by his act he wants to draw attention to the lack of clear terms of service, and he wants to push the authorities to think about this problem and solve it? look, the government, well, at least the parliament , i think about it every day. today, for example, with my colleagues, who represent the ukrainian ssr there, in the morning we even discussed this issue, how, even after consulting with the ground forces, with the general staff, to submit the relevant draft law, you understand, but look at this, i still want to pay attention, that it is not the deputies who are involved in the war, but the military, the ministry of defense of ukraine, the general staff, the ground forces are engaged in the war, this is the kind of system that clearly understands, well, at least i... i wonder if she understands in which phase the war is currently active, or in a protracted one, will there be any consequences, and what

i did, dear serviceman mr. sergey, i have been watching here for the last two days, all of them are new there russian channels, all russian channels are saying, look, the ukrainians are tired, they are running away from the battlefield, they did not commit his act, you know, what he wanted to say, they it was paraphrased for another. the case and the informational narrative they gave for their society, what do you see, the ukrainian military is tired, we just need to press them now, you understand, in this way, that is, they encourage their military by the fact that our guys are running away and walking from the szz and so on, but oleksandr, i understood what you mean, but to what extent after all, this problem is massive, for example, the same serhiy says that according to his information it is 80,000, there were also rumors in social networks from military correspondents , there was a figure of 60,000, there was a figure of 70,000, or

how true are these figures? look, in closed session, of course i know those numbers, but given that numbers are always an element of intelligence that our enemies can use, i can't report those numbers, so they could be 60, and 70, and 30, and i don't know which, but for you personally, this number is alarming, it is any number, any, i'm sorry, even 10,000, it is alarming for me, i will say more, any such an act like that of mr. serhii is disturbing to me, because if tomorrow we have 10,000 such serhii,... then i apologize, who will protect ours then, let's just let's ask ourselves the question, who will then come to the defense of ukraine, look, everything is very simple, and society finally, regardless of where it is, in lviv, in rivne, in zaporizhzhia, must understand that the war that is taking place now is not simple the anti-terrorist operation, well, i think that in some cases it has already surpassed the second world war, maybe even

surpassed it, and it must be clearly understood that the russians will not stop, they will go yes... and put pressure on us next, so we can take the position that let's set the terms of service, but okay, we set the terms service, it doesn't matter what 36 months are there, as was the case in previous bills, but what's next? further, i want to remind you, look, i want to remind you that our army has a million servicemen, in the zone of hostilities, well, there are approximately 200 thousand, yes, 300-2000, this is directly who... is engaged in war, yes, and this everything, by the way, so that you understand, financial support, taxes of citizens of ukraine. i often have a question for the current leadership of the armed forces of ukraine. i'm sorry, we can't even make a rotation yet, that is, we have there are, relatively speaking, 700 thousand, okay, let there be another 300 thousand, this is some provision, limitation, suitable and so on, then we must understand for ourselves whether we are building an effective

army that can at least rotate for those servicemen , and i went to some of the troops... the employees have been going for the second year and still for some reason they have not been rotated, and this is not so that you understand, these are not officers, these are ordinary shooters from one or another military unit, but at the same time, when i visit toll units somewhere, the boys also serve there for more than two years, and they consider themselves, by the way, to be military, which is actually less financially secure, but i constantly ask questions to the leadership: why don't you save, why don't you transfer the style there and vice versa, you understand, this is an important question for me, look and still you say... what will happen if 10,000 people repeat serhiy's act now and then there will be no one to defend them, but what serhiy's message is that the state in the face of deputies, the president, and government officials, he does not talk openly with the population about mobilization, very much there are many, many opportunities to buy off mobilization, to flee abroad, and

mobilization mostly takes place there, if you have money, you can somehow protect yourself, if not, you are taken... into the army, and all this contributes to that , that mobilization may be ineffective, insufficient, and all this burden falls on the people who are directly at the front, are those who explain the problems of mobilization right? no, you are not right, i heard about it, by the way, already today regarding ineffective mobilization, look at those indicators, which, for example, i know, i know that in our country the mobilization is now effective enough, but then it's just another question, we have a constitution that clearly... defines the duty of a citizen of ukraine who is obligated to defend his country, then i have a question, why, where are those people , why should tsc, sometimes, i apologize, uh, apply, i constantly monitor this and constantly appeal to law enforcement agencies, it is unpopular to use such methods, we are fighting them, by the way, because it really does not provide image, but why not, as before at the beginning

war of those ranks from conscript boys and girls. who came to defend our country, where they are divided, you say everything correctly, look, i can also agree with this, by the way, to some extent, that in principle, if a person wants to somehow redeem himself, he will always offer a bribe, but if you see, the sbi will also deal with this, and now i see that literally in the last month two people's deputies have fled the country, that's what i see for sure, this is a matter for those people's deputies deputies who fled, i this question and to law enforcement officers, including the security intelligence service, which you just mentioned, i constantly, as you can see in your ... i am constantly trying to get across to society that, friends, the guys need to be changed somehow, i am not talking about demobilization now, although i want to emphasize once again that with horbank, with kozar, skachenko, we are today in the morning they talked about it, yes, they said that we would prepare appropriate amendments to the draft law, consulting

the armed forces of ukraine accordingly, but where are those citizens, where are those conscripts who are in... nevertheless, according to the current legislation , they are obliged, i emphasize this issue, obliged to come, we have made all the conditions, if you want to mobilize, if you want to sign the contract, even we have made the conditions , when it is not the tsc that mobilizes, but the military unit, that is, a citizen of ukraine can come to the military unit and mobilize to the military unit, and nevertheless, you said that, if i understood you correctly, after this case, when serhiy hnezdilov stated that he was going to szz, did i understand you correctly, that... was conversation at the committee, you had a conversation with representatives of the ministry of defense or the general staff, and you are returning to the idea of ​​a bill on the introduction of clear terms of service? no, you misunderstood, i said that a group of people's deputies... yes, which are representatives in the parliament of the ukrainian people's liberation army, this is within the movement of persons, whom i listed, by the way, robenko tkachenko, kozar, there vatsyakhovskyi and so on, today

we discussed this issue as a group in order to come up with such an initiative at the committee, accordingly, this issue has not yet been profiled was discussed, it’s just at the level of an idea of ​​discussion, no more, well, why an idea right away, look, you still need to find a suitable mechanism, we are at the front quite often, we have already worked out, we... communicate both as ordinary guys and commanders, we have some experience, look, we roughly understand, but we still have to roughly understand how this bill and these changes will affect the rear military, as i call them, who have been in the rear units, although for some reason they can, although, although they can perform combat tasks on the demarcation line, the line of hostilities. oleksandr, i have one last question, because yesterday it was simply raised by a military serviceman on our broadcast, and we will have a military serviceman in the future, i have no doubt. this will also be a question to raise, all the time when we talk about mobilization and when the deputies begin to think about how to properly organize mobilization, we hear from the military, why don't the deputies themselves go

to the front, okay, by a rotational method, in some temporary way, but that they too felt what is happening there and why the military cannot serve for 5 years without clear terms, what would you say to that? well, this is not a new question, it would already take up a lot of time. first of all, many people's deputies at the beginning, when there was no clarification of the response, signed the relevant contracts, were even mobilized and are quite often at the front, by the way, and not just there, but they are servicemen of one or another military units, and at the time of voting they return to the parliament, but there is a question, v in ukraine, the only legislative body of ukraine is what, it is the parliament, okay, look, even i applied there and they told me there, look, or submit your powers, go fight, or fight. if all of us deputies go to the front, which, by the way, i can confirm to you that 40 visotkos are definitely ready to leave the parliament that will pass the law, if

there, well, conditionally speaking, we will be destroyed or killed there and so further, according to our constitution, look, there is no other legislative body, legally there is none, and it is possible only for the russians it is necessary, and they constantly tell these narratives, by the way, for some reason i want to emphasize once again, those citizens of ukraine who are obliged to do military service for some reason do not comply with the constitution and do not come. central committee or other military formation in order to mobilize, sign contracts in order to replace those servicemen who are already at the front for the second year. this is also a question. thank you very much, oleksandr fedienko, people's deputy, servant of the people and representative of the committee on national security, defense and intelligence, we talked about serhiy gnezdilov's act and how acute is the problem of szch in the army. and we are adding to the air the military serviceman whom i have already announced, this is yevhenii oropai, skiv. commander of the crew of unmanned aviation complexes svoboda battalion, i greet you, yevgeny, you see me, you hear me, good evening, good, good evening, you see, yevheny, i already, i even

guessed your question in advance, what would you ask the deputy and i asked for you whether they are ready to go to the front, well, they say that if they go, there will be no one to pass laws, and in principle, too logical answer, but if we talk about serhii hnezdilov's act, he went to the szchch, explained the motive. why did he do it, did he want to draw attention to the lack of service life, do you support this act? and no, not me, not most of my comrades, the chinks of voluntary abandonment of the part do not support, well, unfortunately, i would also like to go to rest, attract attention, and my comrades would like to rest, and we are on the line of battle for a long time , at the same time, if we all go and show off and draw attention to ourselves like this, then... fight for there will be no one on the front line of the battle, everyone gets tired, and fatigue is, well, it is the norm, unfortunately, we are not titans, we are not steel, we are all people, yes, there must

be some mechanisms in the country so that those military personnel , who have been fighting since the first days of the war, that is, volunteers, they somehow changed, they understood how long they would be able to rest, return there... to their civilian life, maybe even b for a certain time, at the same time, i condemn all those who voluntarily leave the part and do not i understand them, that is, you, especially those who voluntarily came to serve the nation, to serve the ukrainian nation or the people of ukraine, that is, we all must understand that these are difficult times in our country, and if we start to let our brothers down like this, let our brigade, to let down those with whom you are fighting on... how

plausible does this figure seem to you? i can judge only by the number that is in our, well , in our units, in neighboring units, i would not say that it is critical, but it really is and it is not small, that is, it can be 100, 100 people, we take one or two servicemen for a company, uh, that’s not much, it’s within the limits, it’s within the norm, it depends on the unit, first of all , i'm saying now. for our unit, we have this, we have problems with this, but we try to fight with these problems, that is, there are people who voluntarily leave the unit, there are people who return, there are those whom we return, there are those who which we translate, because a person is not able to perform combat tasks, he there she became, roughly speaking, five hundred, or she is no longer morally ready to perform combat tasks, we understand everything, it's just that there is a serviceman who comes and says: i can't, i'm tired here, give me a week

to rest mentally. on a break, okay, go rest, in a week we'll be waiting for you, well, not so easily, suddenly announcing to everyone, everything is fine, i'm waiting for the deadlines and the like, well, that is, well, it's a little shameful, you, you for you should now defend the country instead, well, not attract attention, as i understand, there are problems in our country and they are not small ones with the same mechanism of creating rotational actions or demobilization, we really need to work in this direction, because now i will tell about myself personally, i am very... true, everyone is tired, everyone has families, everyone has children , everyone in civilian life did not see themselves as military, but now this is the way, when we have to take up weapons in our hands, some take drones, some from the artillery pile up, some there lead the ram, take out the seriously wounded, but everyone must work on a single goal, and this is the goal of destroying our enemy and ensuring the security of our country, so that our children, our families, our homes are protected and not controlled by our enemy.

and if we talk about the goal pursued by serhii gnezdilov, the establishment of clear terms of service, as you personally see it, well, i understand that you support clear terms of service, if they were implemented, it would be good for you, it would it's good for all of us, yes, understanding how much a certain serviceman has to fight, but to be honest, i don't understand right now, frankly. i think that by the end of the war i will be demobilized, but i just resigned myself to the fact that and most of my compatriots have come to terms with the fact that it will be necessary to fight, but as long as the war is in such and such a phase, now an active phase, a very strong active phase, no, despite the fact that we are now having great successes in the kursk direction and have delayed certain the forces of the russian federation from the east and the south, the situation on the front line is still very tense, constant assaults and... now

it is very dangerous to go to the szh and you are setting it up first of all, their commanders, their brothers. ugh. and yet you say that you don't expect that there will be any clear terms of service now, well , maybe you don't, but as far as i understand, people in the military en masse hope that there will be some kind of more or less defined future for them on the horizon. my question is the following: do you understand the ideal? what could be the system that would allow the military to rest, if there is no end or end to the war? in order to change 100 00 military personnel who are on the battle line and have a chic combat experience, well, let’s take certain units there, we need to train at least 100,000 people, the same number who can infiltrate this unit and exchange, well... well,

rotational actions 50 for 50, that is, 50 military personnel who, for example, have combat experience and 50 newcomers who just went through combat coordination, basic military training there, they join them, but will it affect is it on the battle line? yes, it will affect the first time, but as practice has shown, i was not a soldier before the war, before full-scale invasion on the territory of ukraine, we entered irpin, gostomel, our battalion without any basic combat experience. i was from severodonetsk, i repeat, we had no combat experience, so i believe that any civilian will develop there, well, this is elementary, you join the army, you begin to understand the whole essence and you very quickly you learn, that is, not in the rear, but precisely on the front line of a combat encounter with a basic skill, a person begins to think differently and...