and she built a house of more than 800 m2 in the village of lobedivka near kyiv. at the same time, the woman did not run a business, but was a housewife. the wife, or rather the ex-wife, during the time she was married to gorbasenko, from 2012 to 14 years, also acquired a considerable amount of real estate. a house of 122 m2, two apartments of 164 and 155 m2, two parking spaces and two plots of land, and all this with a total income for that period of uah 1 million. in addition to property in kyiv, there is real estate in the temporarily occupied crimea, where anna sveredenko has four non-residential properties premises in gaspri, which is near yalta, and several plots of land in sudak and a house of more than 300 m2. gorbasenko refuses to provide new explanations regarding these facts. the information, which is allegedly compiled in the new conclusion, has already been investigated, has already been justified and refuted, i am categorically against the postponement. and i will ask

the honorable members of the commission to continue the review. after the closed discussion of the higher qualifications, the commission once again decides to postpone the consideration of gorbasenko. based on the results of the discussion, a protocol decision is announced on postponing consideration of the issue. we inquired from pavlo gorbasenko about the probable intention to hide real marital relations , connections with the aggressor state and simpletons that cause doubts. tell me, please, who is your father? was roaming in the occupied kyiv region, your divorce from your wife looks doubtful, considering that the child was born, i don't want to answer you on the go, if you want to do a good interview, then come to visit, send questions, and even about the fortune that analyzed by the public council good fiction, fortunes have been analyzed and a conclusion has been drawn that there are no questions, wealth, so let's not invent a report from what is not there, we are with...

we hope, after a thorough study of all newly discovered facts that may testify to the dishonesty of pavel gorbasenko, the commission will make a fair decision regarding the servant of themis, its relevance cannot be overestimated, because while the supreme court is delaying the verdict, the judge is already preparing for the competition for a position in the northern commercial court of appeal, which will take place in month. and for today, that's all i have, it was a program. judicial control and i, tetyana shustrova. if you want to report corrupt judges or illegal decisions, write to me on facebook or to this email address. see you in exactly a week. events, events that happen simply. now and

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greetings, dear viewers, today on the spresso tv channel there is an interview that is worth listening to, we invited volodymyr kudrytskyi, he is ex-head of prad nek ukrenergo, i congratulate you, i congratulate you, a person who was talked about a lot, there were many rumors, but today we will dismantle all the rumors and try to understand what happened, what are there now, what are the prospects, well, specifically for mr. volodymyr, and of course, to a greater extent, you are interested in whether we will have light, what are the prospects of our energy system actually on the eve. and the autumn-winter period on the eve of the heating season, but we will still start with your dismissal, at that time the main motivation that was voiced is that a the objects were not ready for enemy strikes, the shelters did not work, the energy system suffered serious damage, people were without

electricity, and how logically your release became a continuation of this story, but in fact no one still understands why you were released from positions, well actually... this is a vivid example of how it is possible through anonymous telegram channels and there podcasts, youtube of some bloggers, to try to turn the media field so that reality is turned upside down, in fact. the fact is as follows: there are about 80 major facilities managed by okrenergo. ukrenergo is a company that transports electricity through main networks and has... several dozen substations that just deliver electricity from the main network to the oblenergo network, and already about 70 ukrenergo facilities have storage facilities for the most critical type of equipment, these are autotransformers, these actually those large machines, such large devices, which

convert the voltage from a very high mains voltage of 330 00 to 750 00 into a voltage that is characteristic of distribution ones. networks that reach every house and all 17 million subscribers that currently exist in ukraine. these autotransformers, as many probably know, were the objects of attacks in 22, 23, and in 24, the russians quite actively tried to attack them with shaheds. therefore, anti-shached protection is built on the absolute majority of our objects. i would say such cynicism and the paradox of the situation is that on no other. objects of critical infrastructure in this country, protection of this kind is currently not built, so if to talk about some bad results of ukrainian energy in the construction of protection, then surely it is necessary to start with the wrong organization, which together with agerstvo built about 70 structures for water recovery, probably

look at those objects where nothing was built at all, if we talk specifically about our company, now... the trunk network is pretty well protected by these engineering fortifications, and by the way, the last mass attack, where more than 100 missiles and 130 drones were used, well, it just demonstrated the reliability of this protection, why? because there were outages for several days and after that they disappeared, that is, all bottlenecks in the network, after the arrival of several dozen missiles, they were eliminated literally there in 10 days, which... of course , it would be impossible if the objects were unprotected, you understand what it's like when a missile hits any object, whether it's a residential building, an industrial object, or even more so an electric power object, so all these accusations are just an attempt to somehow justify the

situation , that happened and i will try, as time has shown, quite unsuccessfully, because, well, actually, like you you say yourself, the question remains, and i have already commented on this situation. i believe that this is simply an attempt to take control of the company, including from the ministry of energy. if, well, in order not to reveal certain secrets to the enemy, first of all, but if you say that there is a shelter and there is a system of shelters, which has proven itself on the good side due to the fact that, of course, in a fairly short the time of energy supply to homes, not only to homes, to various institutions there and... where it was restored, that is, there is a case, you saw those places where, relatively speaking, was there, or the fall of the shaheed, or the debris of the rocket, or some other things, and it protected, so there were direct, there were cases of direct hits of the shaheed in these shelters, and the shelters worked

perfectly, the equipment was saved, and in most cases such equipment in the same the day is included back in work, these shelters, because we talked about it, but somehow such an answer. well, maybe there is no such answer, because maybe it can’t be voiced, but i’m just curious, is there a certification of these shelters, is it done by specialists and series, it has to work, that is, to some such body, which would... say, yes, this is certified, this is a shelter, here it is, well, not quite a shelter, because it is not what we should have, it is certified, there is such a body, ugh , and you know it, it’s called the general staff, ugh, the design of these shelters, that is, the design solutions, they were formed and implemented, according to the requirements of the general staff, which clearly understands and knows who the influence of the combat unit there is of various types of unmanned aerial vehicles

of the kamikaze type shahet, at what angles they can hit, what is the strength of the shaheed explosion there in contact with the surface of this storage and so on, i.e. all these technical parameters provided by the general manager were implemented in these projects and the projects of these stairs would also be approved by the general staff, so if we are talking about a certain mark of quality, then it is precisely in the first place issued by the general staff. if we talk today about the protection of the ukrainian energy system, you have said a lot, but of course people think like this, well, surely not everything is closed, not everything is secured, and something more should be done, this work continues to create protective ones. and will that time be enough, which actually remains until the onset of severe

cold in order to, well, do the maximum of what is possible today for shelter, well, we are now talking about ukrenergo, well, if we talk about ukrenergo, then i can responsibly say that what is the main network that transports power from large power plants to oblenergo, you can not particularly worry, the first phase of the ukrains, which are the most critical, which... allow stable transportation of electricity during the autumn and winter period, this first phase is actually already finalized there, and the absolute majority of those shelters that were supposed to be built, they are already built, equipment is placed there, it is now connected to the grid, the planning process is underway, which will be completed there during the month of october this year, therefore, for the ability of the energy companies to transport power. i would n't worry so much about the biggest attack,

which i think was on august 26, if i'm not mistaken, it just shows that even such an attack cannot cause any catastrophic consequences for the energy system. when we talk about shelter, it is also necessary to understand that there are about 100 large objects in the power system and about 30,000 small ones, 100 large ones are a couple of dozen large power plants and so on. 80 substations of ukrenergo, all these large objects have an area of ​​tens of hectares, some power plants have an area of ​​hundreds of hectares, and it is clear that you cannot build some kind of conflation, like in chernobyl, over the area there, i don't know 10 or 100 football fields, it is physically impossible and impractical, so only the critical elements of each object are protected, well, for the okrenergo substation. as well as for power plants, by the way, autotransformers are one of the critical elements, which convert the voltage

from a higher class to a lower one, in order to be able to further transport this electricity to citizens, to industrial enterprises, to hospitals, to schools, kindergartens and so on, accordingly, when there is damage either by a missile or by a kamikat drone from some object, some temporary shutdowns are possible until the repair crews fix it. that equipment that is not critical, that can be quickly replaced, but most importantly secure the most complex, the most expensive equipment, which takes a very long time to replace, it can take weeks, even months, and that's what this program for the protection of energy facilities is focused on, if we talk about what still needs to be done before winter, of course it needs to be done now in such an emergency, urgent order, let's focus on the protection, engineering protection of our... power plants, because if the ukrenergo network historically has

a large safety margin, and today already, when winter has not yet arrived, it is nevertheless able to transport power, well, because of that number through transformers, which is twice our highest peak consumption in the country, then with generation, with electricity production, the situation is exactly the opposite, you know that the country has lost more... gigawatts of generation, that's more than half or half of all available generation as of last winter, and not all of this power will be restored by winter, accordingly we will have... fewer power plants in operation, fewer power units in operation than there were last winter, and those power plants that have survived now, and those power plants, which are currently being restored and will be restored by winter, they must be protected, they must be secured, because they have almost the same substations next to them that connect the power unit to the grid, these

substations must also be protected, and of course , first of all, you need to take care. about active defense, that is, about working with partners to strengthen our air defense forces, because air defense, it gives there 85-90, probably percent protection against enemy missile and drone attacks, and by the way, now the italians have a second sumpti system transfer to ukraine, i think that their initiative is supported by other partners, there germany also promises to give more for the front, but i think that also for energy defense, well, you say that now we... have half as much , than last winter, they had, i remember last winter too, these there and the day before, and candles, and points of infamy, it happened that even in such more or less cities, which are far from the front, well, we had to sit for more than a day without of light, that is, it should be clear to people now that if we are talking about this gigawatt promised by the president, let's talk,

again, it's not the president's responsibility, it's a gigawatt to provide, he said, well, we'll see how it will be implemented, but in any case, we must understand that when... the load increases, it will increase, so that heaters, people there will use more electricity, anyway, even if everything is good with defense, will repel enemy attacks, damage will be minimal, anyway scheduled blackouts will return with the onset of cold weather, because as i understand it, it's banal the amount that is there, it will have to be eco-friendly, well, distributed evenly, which means that someone will have to save money, despite the fact that there are critical infrastructure objects, as far as i understand, which must... be provided constantly. you are right in saying that critical infrastructure facilities are heat supply, water supply, drainage, they, and some other facilities, must be provided permanently, they are not included in these shutdown queues. er, indeed, in cold weather, when the cold weather sets in, the consumption is quite sharp will grow at the same time, it must be said that compared

to today, the number of generators will also increase, because some nuclear plants will be repaired. power units, the repair campaign at the acc will end, some power units of thermal power plants are being restored, that is , it cannot be said that we will enter the winter with today's generation composition, no, it will be greater, but the increase in consumption in relation to today, it will exceed the increase in that generation, which we will have calculated for the winter, and therefore in the cold periods of winter, when the temperature reaches -5, -7, -1 on average per day, a shortage of electricity is very likely, let's say, and it is not covered either by the available generation resource, which is planned for the winter, or by additional volumes of imports from europe, which

ukrenergo provided after it united the power system of ukraine and europe in the 22nd year, but... imports, first of all, unfortunately, are not used to their full extent, they are used by approximately 30-40%. well, because quite often in europe the price is still higher than in ukraine, that is, people should understand that we are not given this electricity just like that, we buy it at a higher price, and it is mainly bought by private companies there and some state-owned companies there, on a commercial basis, that is, after buying electricity in europe, they must sell it at least without a loss in ukraine, moreover... when the price in ukraine is lower than the european one, of course it is impossible, and to whom they sell to consumers or businesses, on the electricity spot exchange, which is called the advance purchase market, this is the market today for tomorrow, there are different options, but mainly imported electricity for large industrial consumers who in this way protect themselves from blackouts, because there is such a decree of the cabinet of ministers that

allows you to avoid blackouts if you import a certain percentage of your consumption. well, and accordingly, industrial enterprises for the technological process of which blackouts are very, well, let's say so harmful, they are very sensitive to these blackouts, in this way, by paying a little more for electricity, they nevertheless protect their production from this negative phenomenon. we are now we continue to talk about things about energy, technology, preparation for winter and other important things. but i will ask a question that was dispersed in such a way, you know, as in this, as in a vacuum tube, very quickly, and even then it was discussed about the bonus that you allegedly... received when you left the position of the head of pratnek ukrenergo, and it was about about 40 million hryvnias, i wonder where this amount came from, in

principle, who was the first to voice it, because it must be a person who has access to certain financial statements, well, that is, i think that not everyone knows how much, say an employee espresso can receive an award if he received it there, well, it is necessary to have some insiders, and who was the first to voice this figure, why 40 million and was there any talk of an award at all? well, first of all, i must say that i was the first to announce this amount, as far as i know , the trukhaye telegram channel, such an anonymous telegram channel, which is not the first time announcing lies, this amount has nothing to do with reality, they published it, by the way , an interesting fact, they published such a part of the photo from the minutes of the meeting of the supervisory board of ee... where upon my dismissal it was also written the need for a settlement, well, a full one with me as an employee, including the payment of those not previously paid

there, not previously made payments for previous years, starting from the 21st, because according to my contract, part of the payments to me there are my wages, bonus, it was basically received until the end of my contract or for... several years, and where the amount of 40 million came from, i simply do not know, it is made up, just like the made-up story about the bad protection of the ukrenergo substation, which is believed to be the only one in in principle, the objects are protected in this country, and i can say that i received a part of the bonuses there for previous years that were not paid when i was fired, this is a completely normal practice when an employee is fired. he receives all the payments due to him, and the amount of these payments is many times less than what was announced by trukha's telegram channel, 3.5

bloggers and one people's deputy were caught there, who was very actively interested in this very issue, and very little interested , for example, the issue of protection of real infrastructure objects other than the okrenergo substation, you know, i, for example, never like to count other people's money, it's... well, you won't get bigger, someone won't get smaller because of that, you'll just waste time and maybe nerve cells, but in any case , when such information gets into the public space, many people will hear and not hear when this information will be refuted, and when there will be time in ukraine, maybe, well, there are already such precedents, of course, but are you not interested, let's say, well, for example, to sue people who will announce similar information, just not because you will win something there, or have extra money, most likely it will be extra trouble, well, but it would simply be such a lesson for such actors, and next

time with the next employee a public company or a politician, they would just think whether to write outright lies or not to write? well, good advice, i will actually think about it, but i want to say that, unfortunately, the amount of payments to the head of ukrenergo for several years is less than, for example, the amount of the bribe of the deputy minister of energy for one transaction, and i think that the problem, the main problem is not that telegram channels are writing lies, some people there who have their youtube channels, there are parliamentary mandates spreading, it is that... with a high probability, unfortunately, this is done for money, and this money is not taken from the white salaries of the top management of companies, but from some obviously shadowy cash

flows, and as i said, their scale is obviously much larger than the payments of the management there ukrenergo or some other energy companies, i am from mine salary... i have always paid taxes properly, i have always received only a white salary during my career, and i am very proud of the fact that, relatively speaking, the higher the salary i receive, the more taxes i can pay to the state budget, well, that's it , as for lawsuits, let's see, there will be time, maybe we will deal with it, i hope, by the way, that there is such an initiative in the verkhovna rada of ukraine to bring the owners out of the shadows. or, well, the ultimate beneficiaries of these or other telegram channels, which have millions there subscribers, or more than a million subscribers, just so that everyone understands who is behind it, because if the media has, well, there are certain media that have less influence than individual

telegram channels, now 70. more than 70% of ukrainians get their news from telegram channels, by the way, this is yesterday’s information, research, it’s just a fact, well, that’s why, relatively speaking, the espresso tv channel or the direct tv channel, or the rada tv channel or any other tv channel is answerable to the national commission, to the law, well, yes other people have too to answer, because it actually already exists as a means of mass information, well, since once again ukrainians receive this or that news from there, and one more question, once again, this is, well, not enough... these rumors were there, we need them finish to the end, and then we will return to generation and waiting for the autumn-winter period. and they wrote that the minister of energy galushchenko may be behind your dismissal, and if so, why did this information appear? well, this information, first of all, i also said in previous interviews that i consider the ministry to be the initiator of

this whole situation. i repeat once again that this situation has nothing to do with the bad or good protection of the ukrenergo substation there, it is completely absurd, and it is simply a desire to obviously control the operational activities of the company, attempts at such control began back in the 21st year, control money, so control money , to control some, i don't know, personnel appointments within the company, and already in the 21st year, active... attempts there to offer me very good people for various positions in the management of the company, which i rejected, there were attempts to change the management of the company outside the supervisory board, in the 21st year, already during the invasion and in the midst of the invasion, there were attempts to change the board once again, there were attempts to dictate, for example, the sequence of debt payments on the electricity market.

well, that is, there were quite lively attempts to interfere in our activities like this, with documents, with official letters, orders, and so on, and we never once gave in to these attempts, they stopped at some point, obviously, when people realized that it makes no sense to talk to us in such a language, but numerous checks began, first ministerial... and then the state audit service conducted an audit with the participation of representatives of the ministry, then numerous investigations by law enforcement agencies, media attacks, by the way, too , and they did not start before my dismissal or after my dismissal, they began many months ago, i will remind you that the same lie was published about my salary of 2 million uah, and in my opinion it was trukha’s telegram channel that actively spread this

fake well, and some other things there, they counted how many air conditioners there are in my house, well, they published some delusions, but obviously it was such an art training, and it is absolutely obvious to me that these attempts, with greater or lesser intensity, were attempts to finally get this control over the company, but now it is a paradoxical situation, because due to the rather active reaction of civil society, including our western partners, who... trusted ukrenergo with eur 1.5 billion in funding during the invasion, this is more than the ministry and others attracted energy companies together, after this reaction the process stopped, that is, i was fired, my deputy was appointed by the supervisory board, duties, yes, oleksiy brecht, he is our technical director, and in fact now...

there is such a crossroad, that is, or normal will be restored the management system of the company, when the supervisory board is created, it must have the majority of independent people who supervise the company's activities, without any, without regard to any whims of someone there, well , without a word, i don't know, it's ukrainian, it's just not not with not from ukrainian. reality is the word, that's why it sounds so smotryachy, not from ukrainian realities, but everything is melting, yes, the question is that the institution of smotryachy is, conditionally, something that has forever, we must forever forget it in this country, there are civilized institutions, european, or if you like, civilized institutions of the civilized world, if we go there...