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for joining our broadcast. thank you for the invitation, always glad to see and hear from you. on loan we have a very big and busy foreign policy week. president zelensky went on a tour of the united states states of america. he is scheduled to speak at the un general assembly tomorrow. then he will present the victory plan to biden, harris and... and trump, but today it all started with the speech of biden, biden, on whom zelensky puts his hope, because he believes that this victory plan should be approved or accepted by washington as early as biden's presidency. what biden said about support for ukraine from the rostrum, from the high rostrum of the un general assembly. let's

listen, because this is very important. now the world has to make a different decision. when we support our support for ukraine in order for ukraine to preserve its sovereignty, we must do everything to ensure that the aggression does not repeat itself. and so i want to assure you that we can look away. we must be in solidarity. with ukraine in order for ukraine to ensure a lasting and just peace with its victory. mr. viktor, is the world ready to do everything, as joseph biden said, so that aggression does not repeat itself, and ukraine ensures a lasting and just peace with its victory? the world is much more cynical than we imagine, the world is much more more... interests, we imagine, and in

principle we count on the same decisions, but a lot of decisions actually satisfy us in the situation in which we are now, and even the last biden, who has finalized his stay in american politics, does not gave the main answer to the question of whether the united states sees, sees... the victory of ukraine as we see it, and whether zelensky's victory plan, which no one in ukraine has yet seen, can help our western partners, first of all, the americans, to understand and consider whether they can help us win against russia, because all the rhetoric from our western partners is...

that ukraine must not be defeated, but there is no phrase in that rhetoric that russia must be defeated , and putin's regime must be changed, or he must answer for the crimes he commits on the territory of the ukrainian state. and this, sergey, in fact, is the most important question, why we do not have such a, uh,... slogan and why it is not you until now, because the approach to this is waiting for time to prevent an even greater escalation, in the eyes of the americans, an even greater escalation, this is the beginning of the third world war, and in fact both teams, both the democratic team and the republican team, have very similar understandings in... in that regard , that both

republicans and democrats believe that while putin's regime is in power, until then. it is necessary to somehow stop this war, put it on pause, and the next generations, the next presidents, in 5, 6, 10 years, and actually then, when the regime falls, or it weakens, after that it will be possible to use this window of opportunity, and this position, unfortunately, exists, you can hear it very often also... from european politicians who believe that it is necessary, this is the current state freeze as soon as possible and then go to the standby state. mr. viktor, zelenskyi says that if

the west does not help ukraine and does not help significantly in the next few months, then time can be lost, because the coming months, as zelenskyi says, will be decisive, he said this while receiving the award of the american academy of achievements. for 60 years, this award has been awarded for contributions to the development of humanity. now zelenskyy has such an award. let's listen to what the president of ukraine said upon receiving this award. we don't have much time, the next few months will be crucial. in this war, russia's war against ukraine and all of you, because this is russia's war against freedom itself, we have little time to determine what the outcome will be, and we must determine it, not russia, not their bloody allies, we have be faster, us

one must not lose the next few months in war in order not to lose the next decades. mr. viktor, zelenskyy, when he talks about these for... the next months and that it is not necessary to lose the next few months, and then in order not to lose the next decades, he is obviously talking about a decision that has not been made by our western partners regarding strikes with long-range weapons , western long-range weapons on the territory of the russian federation, what deters the west in the current situation from such a decision, from such actions? i already said about it actually, they think that it will be another step to escalation, it will be crossing another red line, and they are worried that putin will be able to respond in the way that they are worried that with the capabilities that they

are worried that he can, can strike, and this is about nuclear weapons, that is, no matter how they say that the repetition of... constant references to nuclear weapons is not postponed in the minds of western politicians, it is postponed, unfortunately, and they constantly keep this function in their heads and believe that the crossing of additional red lines lines can really lead to a start of the third world war, but here i want to say that... president zelensky is right that there is a very big risk, precisely between november 5 and the inauguration of the new president, when in fact the old administration will end its term of office, and the new one has not yet started, there is

a risk the fact that russia can resort to some provocations, which, in fact, there will be no one to respond to. respond in time. the candidate for the presidency of the united states of america from the republican party, donald trump, at a rally in indiana, once again criticized the white house for the policy of aid to ukraine and reminded about his alleged plan to end the war. let's listen to trump. regarding ukraine, i see that zelensky is here now. i think that zelensky is the best. salesman in history, every time he comes to the country, he leaves with 60 billion dollars, he comes back with 60 billion dollars, but i will do differently, i will achieve peace before i become president, if i

win this election, the first thing i will do is i will call zelenskyi, i will call president putin and say: you must conclude an agreement, because this is madness. trump, mr. victor, of course, manipulates these 60 billion dollars, because they still remain in the united states of america, simply american... which receives 60 billion dollars, and we receive weapons, but these are trump's constant mantras that i will do everything before i step foot in the white house i will call putin, i will call zelensky, well, in this situation, i understand that the biggest problem for trump will be putin himself, because putin does not want any peace formulas, putin does not want to leave the territory of ukraine, putin does not want a plan. of victory or plan of defeat, that is, this is the creature that in

principle does not want anything, rejects any plans, it is possible that trump can win the election, does this mean that the course and nature of the russian-ukrainian war will change, even if trump cannot convince putin to end this war. for starters, we don't know if trump will meet with... because trump's son wrote a pretty interesting tweet blaming zelensky for not being exactly respectful of the republican presidential nominee , so that statement, which we just saw and this tweet hints that this one the meeting may not take place, but i am in favor of it actually taking place, because both theses that were voiced, they... were already heard before in several trump interviews, so we did not hear anything new here. it is another matter

when we talk about how putin will react. indeed, at the present, at the present stage, it is difficult to convince putin, who thinks that he has a little bit left, and he will squeeze europe, he will squeeze the united states of america, he will sit down at the negotiating table with the united states of america with ... and start strategically divide the world, as he wanted. the year 2007, i have already said about it several times, the munich security conference, putin actually addressed the united states of america, putin addressed china and actually invited them to sit down and divide the world. he, he doesn't need. the ruins of odyar or some other village in

ukraine, he needs it exclusively in order to sit down at this table for negotiations, he is trying to declare his own geopolitical positions because of the war in ukraine, so we will see how the issue will develop elections and here the most important thing is that the elections that will be in the united states of america end, that they pass really peacefully and end peacefully, that the candidate who loses recognizes the results of these elections. commenting on trump's statements about his intentions to stop the war, zelenskyy said: i feel that trump doesn't really know how to stop the war, even if he thinks he... knows how, another person doesn't know how to stop the war, but what wants to be chancellor of peace, this is

the federal chancellor of germany, olaf scholz, on the eve of his visit to new york, he spoke about that it is necessary to do everything to have peace talks between ukraine and russia, he said that if there is a demarcation line , as of now. it will all be possible, how can it be as an option. president zelenskyi met with scholz in new york and announced it on social networks. what the president of ukraine writes. they talked about how to make a just peace closer, the main thing is to preserve unity. our peace formula is designed to do just that, and we held a successful first peace summit. in his turn, scholz for... stated that the lifting of restrictions on deep shots russia is not compatible with my personal position,

can it be considered, mr. viktor, that the personal position of scholz in this case affects the decision of berlin regarding long-range weapons, or does germany still look at the united states of america and take into account the position of great britain, and this anti-putin the coalition still ... coordinates this process among themselves, and beyond this coordination, beyond these agreements, neither scholz, nor biden, nor the representatives of great britain can. to leave, you have seen the statements of the representatives of great britain that they are theoretically ready before granting permission to ukraine to strike deep into russian territory, the only question is that it must be agreed even in this troika, which you just talked about, the position of scholz is repeated every time, because

remember how... 23 in the 1990s, pressure was put on scholz to hand over tanks to ukraine, he did not do this until the united states of america did, and i think that his personal position here also largely depends on how the united states of america behaves in the nearest sometimes. another question is quite so painful for about. this the issue is iranian participation in russia's aggressive policy towards ukraine, iranian shaheds, iranian missiles. two weeks ago , the americans announced that they have accurate data that iranian ballistic missiles are on the territory of the russian federation, the president of iran, massoud pezeshkian,

said that tehran is allegedly ready to sit down with the europeans and ... americans to conduct a dialogue and negotiations on ending the war in ukraine, we have never approved russian aggression against ukrainian territory, he added, but in this situation, mr. viktor, i wanted to ask about why the ukrainian side does not have a clear position regarding the participation of iran in the russian war against ukraine, why we still have diplomatic relations with this country, although the iranian... heads are flying at us, at our heads, it's been 2.5 years, now there are also iranian missiles, well , you know that iran is now, why is it ready for negotiations with europeans and americans, because it does not really want to enter into another war, which very close

to its borders, and therefore i think that the eyes all initiatives. from the side of the leadership of iran are connected precisely with what is happening now around israel, around palestine, around lebanon, and therefore it is not our game, but you know, many countries are already using the ukrainian issue as such, which can be manipulated. as for your question about the severance of diplomatic... some kind of relations, that is obviously a question for the ministry of foreign affairs, not for me. thank you, mr. viktor, for the conversation, it was the chairman of the board of the institute of world politics, viktor shlinchak. friends, we continue ours work live. we work on multiple platforms at the same time, if you are watching us now on youtube and facebook, please

bookmark our pages, like our pages and participate. in our survey, today we ask you about the following: are you satisfied with the work of the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense, yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, either yes or no, you can leave your comment in the comments below this video, if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote by dialing 0800 211 381, if you are satisfied with the work of the gur-ministry of defense, no 0800 211 380. all calls to these numbers are free, vote at the end of the program, we will sum up the results of this vote. next, we will be in touch with my colleague, journalist, former vlaskor unyan in moscow, roman tsimbalyuk. roman, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. hello sergey, hello everyone. i am glad to see you and i traditionally recommend

your youtube channel to our viewers. roman has 1,250,000 subscribers on youtube. join roman tsimbalyuk's youtube channel, you will to see him more often than he is on the espresso tv channel, although lately you have been on espresso quite a lot, so i'm glad for that too. so let's talk about a victory plan that no one has seen before, and there is a lot of talk about a victory plan, we understand what we mean by a victory plan. this is the collapse of the russian federation, the demolition of putin's regime and victory, a military victory and the destruction of these military bases, well... to the urals, as they perceive all the stories with our negotiations with the americans regarding the plan

for the victory of the russians, because there is only a statement by piskov, who said, at first he said that it is generally unacceptable for us, there is the position of volodymyr volodymyrovych, and this position is exclusively his ultimatum regarding ukraine, i understand that, but he says piskov ... that the kremlin will study zelenskyi's plan, if it is in official sources. how has the position changed, roman, not only of the kremlin, but also of the kremlin's mouthpieces, regarding the victory plan, regarding the fact that zelenskyi and ukraine are serious, regarding ukraine's victory over russia. yes, well look, here, you mentioned dmytro pesky, his words in this case, they are worth nothing... because let's remember, the day before the war, he said that there would be no invasion, but it happened, and then he pretended , that it should be so, it is to

the fact that this dog of putin, he can scold as much as he wants, but the impression is that he does not participate in the system of such key decisions, and therefore it is simply such informational noise, so what concerns colleagues of this informational noise, then... they are very closely following the visit of the president of ukraine to of the united states, every cork, every signed projectile, they ooh and aah, and in general the general trend is such that, well, they will hit moscow and st. petersburg with ukrainian missiles and ukrainian missiles of western origin, and somehow it all seems to be anyway, as a base, it seems that it has already happened, well, maybe. in some places it really happened, who knows what flew there in that torepets, but in general, all this is brought up

by russian propagandists, no wonder, it is all very harmonious, because the word is one, it is either a ceasefire, or a truce, or something else, or the end of the war, as the president of ukraine said, but then, as they say, interpretations from... and most of even these aggressive scoundrels believe that at some stage it it just has to stop where everyone is standing, that's why it's good news, because the sudja is ours, part of the kursk region too, maybe one day we will return it, as the head of the foreign policy department of poland said, if i'm not mistaken, he said that it should be returned. to internationally recognized borders and in principle no one actually and i don't mind, to be honest, that is, the attention is great, because they actually understand very clearly that

they understand the same thing that we understand, that the fate is decided, not only ours, but also those monsters of moscow and the kremlin, because - as now everything hangs in the balance decisions of joseph biden, if he says, you know, i realized that... "now i'm the master of escalation, and i'm going to point out where and what, and then look, look, all of a sudden everything will change, and the planes will fly, we'll bomb, yeah , sorry for the meme, but the essence does not change, because in the war you have to act only in this way, because if it remains as it is now, we must clearly say to everyone that in donbas we are not..." we are not holding, because the bombs are falling non-stop, this unfortunate our heroic kyiv 72nd brigade is sitting in a coal mine, air defense

they don’t have one, there’s no coal mine, and there among these ruins, where are our soldiers, well, i’m not here . war... and we are now on the threshold, or under some circumstances it freezes somewhere and now, and for this to happen, we must be armed to the teeth, everyone must understand this, including joseph biden, or they will continue the front further, further in the direction of kyiv, dnipro, kharkiv and so on. zelensky said in an interview with the new yorker that any negotiations will fail if they are conducted with putin, who does not want

an end to the war. he called the victory plan ... the new plan a and added that it would be a shame if biden did not support it, to quote our president, this is a terrible idea, it would mean that biden does not want to end the war in a way that deprives russia of victory and we would have a very long war, an impossible, exhausting situation that would result in the death of a huge number of people, if i propose a new, now i propose a new plan a, we with. .. we are changing the current course, where we resisted only thanks to the strength of our army. if you do not want this war to drag on, we offer you a plan to strengthen ukraine. and besides, zelensky noted that for russia to win, ukraine does not even have to lose completely, because the russian federation understands that almost a third of the ukrainian territory is occupied and can decide that this is enough. so it can also hit

poland, he added. head of state, you and i, roman, have repeatedly talked on our air about this indecision or small steps of our western partners, they are doing a lot for ukraine, but still something is constantly holding them back, what is holding them back? well, you see, there are many aspects here, and geopolitical, about the nuclear bomb, you can say a few words, but i believe that this has already been said 100 times, here... the question is what, what did i come with the president of ukraine? well, you know, you don't need to be a super analyst and even a general of the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine to say, well, how can they be affected, that is , there is, as if there is some kind of proposal, if joseph biden comes up with it, then the war will start in the other direction, or there will be some significant changes. well, to be honest, i see only one option, this is

some kind of ... ultimate phase, to play this game a little bit, as it turned out, you can buy tanks together at vointorg, in our case in german, and you can also to ask the question like this, you monster of the kremlin, that you threatened the united states, so you can present your ultimatum, in which way, that if you do not stop hostilities, the tamag missiles will fly there. back and forth and back and forth you will tell us about your missile, which sarmat he has or what he has, well, a reworked satan, that is, the ultimate form of dictators, it can absolutely work, because the russians, as it turned out, they live they want, well, they would just like to kill with impunity, they want to live in moscow,

because moscow is in the groin. rachel and when they begin to feel the potential of radioactive ash, they are very sad, and here is one of the comrades, i liked this phrase so much, he asked, so what do you propose to us, but they will die with crimea and donbas, and when the question was asked exactly in such a plane, it turns out that they don't need either crimea or donbas, that is... again, we return to the military-political mission of the united states, will they be bound by it or not , well there are many doubts about this reason, because what is written in the american league of nations as a plan for victory, well, excuse me, we have already heard it 100 times, it was presented in different ways, there is a plan for the victory of ukraine, there are 10 points, not four, we

have heard all these plans and approaches many times . all this is clear, everything still relies on military support, but now we see, if it is the iskanders, yes, it seems that they are the iskanders, or yes the russian iskanders, that ’s how you see them, how they photographed them beautifully, what you show, yes, we have to show them this too, here we are with you let's go to the rocket, there will be a ukrainian steaming, and i will write on the rocket a recipe for borscht for... meanwhile, if it goes as it is now, they will say, well, really, why is it all because he hires his non-citizens for money , they destroy our citizens and our cities, and the attention front.