the plans and approaches have been heard many times, all this is clear, all the same, it relies on military support, but now we see how these are the iskanders, yes, it seems that they are the iskanders, or yes the russian iskanders, that’s how you see them, how they they were photographed beautifully, what you will show, and yes, we must also show them, here we will go to the rocket, there will be a ukrainian ensign, and i will write, on the rocket, the recipe for borscht for maria zakharova in brackets, as him, a hard-drinking scumbag, just so as not to be confused with the addressee, and then, look, look, they they will say, well, really, why all this, because while, if it goes on as it is now, he hires his non-citizens for money, they destroy our citizens and our cities, and the attention front.

is moving to the west, where in the kursk region we moved them a little, but the war must be looked at in a complex way, by the way, bloomberg reports that the kremlin plans to increase its military expenditures to 142 billion dollars, which will amount to 6.2 % of the country's gdp, this exceeds russia's spending on education, health care, and social services. politics and national economy together, that is, it indicates that russia is going to continue to fight in ukraine, and maybe not only in ukraine, and this is also a certain bellwether for our western partners, because russia, it seems, like the soviet union before died, throws in a military machine, a lot of money, it’s simple, and sooner or later this military machine just...

will crush russia or not, roman, listen, well, we don’t have to wait for anything, whether he will crush or not, i’m just saying that the president of ukraine said that it seems to him that the war will end soon, and i i would like to divide it into optimism, the head of state is the most informed person in our country, but wait, the offensive continues, the cabs both flew and are flying around kharkov and zaporizhzhia, people were killed, and were killed, and... they are killing, the budget they they are increasing the military for the next year, in general they approve the budget for three years, it means that either we do not know something, or we are too optimistic , and i was still a partisan, which can always be worse, because some believes that it cannot be worse, but me it seems that it could be worse, and that's why we have to get out of this, because... wait until

they run out of money there, they will hand over the ingush there, kill the kadyrivtsi, then they won't like it, they'll cut it off, ob' unite and cut off moscow, well, the scenario is not bad, but we can't just wait for it to happen there by itself, we have to, well, not wait, but somehow moderate our own lives, well, shorten the lives of the russian invaders, so one more time. there are a lot of unknowns, and so far this is what i saw in the plan victories, all the points, they are cool, i like them all, only they all depend not on us, but on our partners, well, you see, something is happening there, because here i am watching the message that a meeting is being prepared, the meeting of the leaders of france, great britain, germany and the united states, they will be in ukraine. to speak and

this if there is any hope that actually, well, let's be honest, it is clear that there is a principle of consensus in both nato and the european union, but from these four states by and large it depends on what the actual decision will be, but i would like it to be like this, you know, so that there is no war, well, that it ends. while there is no such decision, french president emmanuel macron said that after the war it will be necessary to rethink the relations of all of europe with russia. let's listen to macron. we are trying to move forward with the current european political community, but we will have to think about a new form of organization of europe and rethink our relationship with russia when peace comes to this continents building a new international

order is undoubtedly the greatest challenge of today, because our current order is incomplete and unjust. you see, roman, macron is already thinking about what will happen after the war with russia, well, that’s right, that’s normal, people have to think, especially presidents, they have to look a few steps ahead, and who is against a just peace order, history and the un in general of this league of nations, it basically rests there on the same theses, not... the touching of borders, because when you you start stepping into history, it doesn't matter if it's before the first world war or before the second world war, or before the third world war, which may already be on the way, we just haven't written about it in the textbooks in this way yet, so it all starts with this, in one state, regardless , what language do they

speak, the führer's roof goes, then everyone else's, and the beating begins, well, actually, what is there to think? but no one, you see, ukrainians are more inclined to have no russia at all, but our western partners, they are in this regard, they are careful, they don't insist, they listen to all kinds of fools who are in favor of the fact that the main thing is that it does not fall apart and so on and so forth, in principle, if we live within the framework of internationally recognized cards. let's not build a network of arseniy yatsenyuk , a real defensive structure, then somehow we will live, right? thank you, on this optimistic note, roman, we will end our conversation, it was roman tsymbalyuk, my colleague, journalist, friends, we work

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this edition we will talk about: security guarantees seriously. did yarmak confirm that inviting ukraine to nato is part of zelenskyi's victory plan? does ukraine have a chance to receive an invitation to the alliance by the end of this year. a critical time for courage. britain calls on the usa to allow ukraine to strike with western weapons deep into the territory of russia, which prevents the allies from making a positive decision. economy of wartime. ukraine is increasing the production of weapons and ammunition. is it possible to completely transfer the ukrainian economy to the military rails and in what way to do it? they are secretive about it. about this we will talk for the next 45 minutes. let me remind you that we work not only live on

the espresso tv channel, but also on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are currently watching us there live, please subscribe to our pages and also take part in our survey. today, we are asking you, friends, about the following: are you satisfied with the work of the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense of ukraine. yes, no, everything is quite on youtube. simply, if you have a separate opinion, please leave it in the comments below this video. if you are watching us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote on the numbers 0800 211 381, if you are satisfied with the work of the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense, no - 0800 211 382. all calls to these numbers are free, vote at the end of the program. let's get the results of this vote. i would like to introduce the guests of today's

studio, this is yevgenia kravchuk, people's deputy of ukraine from the servant of the people, deputy chairman of the parliamentary committee on humanitarian and information policy, chairman of the pariye committee on cultural affairs, science, media and sports. ms. yevgenia, i congratulate you, thank you for joining our broadcast. good evening. oleksiy kucherenko, people's deputy of ukraine from batkivshchyna, first deputy of the parliamentary committee on issues. of energy and housing and communal services, mr. oleksiy, thank you for being with us, thank you, and andriy osadchuk, people's deputy of ukraine from voice, first deputy chairman of the parliamentary committee on law enforcement, mr. andriy, i am glad to see you, thank you, that you are with us today good evening, thank you for the invitation, well, since the whole world, well at least the part of the world that gathered at the un general assembly, is discussing or speaking. about our victory plan, about the victory plan that volodymyr

zelenskyi brought to the united states of america, we will also talk about this victory plan, although probably the american counterpart or the british counterpart of zelensky know more about this victory plan than we do, but let's be already in the trend of the world media, because the world media lay out the victory plan in parts and claim that it is a winning plan, perhaps. this is also not a victory plan, but i hope that at least yevgenia kravchuk should know, at least in theory , zelenskyi's victory plan, because the representatives of the opposition parties may not know what zelenskyi took to the united states of america. ms. yevheni, maybe you can tell us what the victory plan consists of and how it differs most importantly from the peace formula? we always had blitzes early on. then i will still answer the blitz, i am satisfied with gurm's work, and there are many things we do not know that

makes gourmet and we will find out after the war, maybe we will see films about it, but it is worth noting, because our good mood in the morning when we read the news is very often provided by gourmet, now to your question, well, we perfectly understand what the necessary elements are. for the victory of ukraine, this is how we live in ukraine, we understand that these are weapons, that these are security guarantees, and there are no security guarantees better than nato, obviously, or, or. well, a very clear commitment from the partners that they will not sit and think for a long time, but will have a ready plan if one day, russia will want to attack ukraine again, and without any doubt, this is an acceleration of aid, because it is stated further in the topic about the statement

of the british foreign minister, what he said, that if we do not increase er...significantly quantitative aid to ukraine, then we can spend the 25th and 26th years at war, and we can really only sincerely wish volodymyr zelenskyi, the president of ukraine, success in convincing partners to increase substantial aid. thank you, ms. yevgenia, well , gentlemen, since yevgenia also answered to our poll, which we conduct among viewers and tv viewers, and i will ask you also about work. gourmand, are you satisfied or not, because, well, why are we asking, because these rumors are constant, that there is bakanova, not bakanova, i already got bakanov on my tongue, where, by the way , is bakanov, this is also a question, they want to remove budanov, what was removed of his two deputies, i.e., there is a constant buzz of information going around, although it

probably shouldn’t be like that during the war, mr. oleksiy, well, i’m probably still bi... i’m probably satisfied, because actually, as far as i’m concerned, for according to my understanding of the standards of war there, strategy and so on, it is generally desirable for the population not to know that such a gur exists, you understand, well, it performs such a specific function that it is generally nonsense when they know something about it, read something there, some there, well , well, information, you understand, and this probably caused, by the way, the kind of negativity, well, that is now spread among the media. a possible negative, or there elimination, as you say, or personnel rotation of the same budanov, because apparently, well, nobody likes competition, but as for me, we have to work in this situation effective, but i don't accept unnecessary pr from the military, not from our heads of state-owned enterprises, ministers, prime ministers

, etc. gur vyko... its mission quite effectively, and what you say, that in the morning we wake up and hear good news somewhere from behind the bar and the groups are involved, it still adds confidence to ukrainians, which adds to us, and the plan adds, and it adds, yeah, yeah, what, what, that we have this structure that's like, i don't know if the correct comparison is with the israeli mossad, which will always come and pack and... and do its work in enemy territory, mr. andrew, you know, i actually don't like the 31st month of the great invasion, when many fundamental issues of the conduct of war are being discussed in our country in the format of public hearings or public discussion with live broadcast, well, here i support oleksiy kucherenko, what about gur at all,

no one should know anything in particular, and you are actually asking questions to the audience. they definitely don't know, bogur doesn't report, the information that is spread about their activities may not be completely true, because all the information that is released during a great war should really be aimed at disinforming the enemy, because this is not a comment on a football match in the online broadcast, but what i can definitely confirm is that the ukrainian special services are much stronger than perhaps anyone thinks in europe or in... and they do a really, really cool job even before the great war, they did it well, and during the great war , but here again evgenia is right, let's all wait and get to our victory, and then, maybe, maybe after some time we will find out the details and then we will be able to assess how satisfied or not we are

with the work of the band and other special services, well, we are not we will wait for the end of the war, we are just intermediate results. will also be announced at the end of the program, because we are interested in what people think in general, if in the first part of the program almost 70% of the respondents said that they were satisfied with the work of gurmu, well, we cannot tell them to be dissatisfaction, or they didn't listen to news from budanov, so they are satisfied and that's fine, here the question is, the future prospects of general budanov and his excessive media presence, what to do with it actually. this is also a big challenge for zelenskyi, well, we have already seen one general, whose rating was high enough, who is now a great ambassador. let's return to the topic of the victory plan, because andriy yermak, the head of the office of the president of ukraine, during a speech at the council on international relations in

new york, confirmed that ukraine's invitation to nato is part of president zelensky's victory plan. let's listen to what yarmak said. we must have an advantage. on the battlefield to force putin to cease hostilities. we are trying very hard. without ships, we destroyed the black sea fleet. having no air superiority, we stopped the russian advance in most directions, including kharkov. without fear, we returned the war to russia. ukraine's invitation to nato is part of the victory plan. mr. oleksiy, if ukraine does not receive an invitation from the north atlantic alliance, which is one of the... points of our victory and victory plan, does this mean that this victory plan may not be implemented? oh, you know, you know

, as an analyst, mr. serhii, you found this question to be the key one, because we are so convinced that there will be an invitation . i generally have my own vision of prospects in nato. er operatives, i am not too optimistic here, to be honest, well, unfortunately, yes, i am more of a realist, but really this will be such a contradiction, yes, we expect that by the end of the year we will already be invited, and conditionally saying, they will take us under an umbrella, but for some reason it seems to me that they do not really expect us there and do not really want to take us under an umbrella, because they understand it. well , nato leaders, what are the risks for them, electoral risks, sorry, we understand how electoral the electoral process

is today in the states, in the same ones, how weighty it is, and that is why i am not an optimist here, i rather analyze that we have to start from the fact that this point of the plan will not happen, and that's how effective and efficient this plan will be then, so... and there is the key question, thank you, mr. oleksiy, mr. andriy, isn't this the bar of the north atlantic alliance, the high bar that is being set in this plan of victory, and further we go, lower the degree, so to speak, of our wishes and say: well, fine , we won't be in the north atlantic alliance in the near future, but give us more weapons, give us more long-range weapons, maybe that's what this high fee actually is... the one andriy yermak is talking about. well, first of all, sergey, we are again discussing something that we do not know, because yeremak said one thesis, some another,

no one saw this so-called plan in the eye, that is, we are discussing rumors, they are discussing rumors, it is stupid, but regarding nato, the discussion has been going on for a long time, it is quite clear, yarmak voiced it, and here is my position enough. clear, i do not think that such an invitation will be in the near future, and i am convinced that the bank simply raised the bar as much as possible, because this is to some extent, perhaps, a visit of desperation, because volodymyr zelenskyy went for money, for weapons, for permission to remove any restrictions on the use of weapons, because the further success of ukraine in... this war may depend only on this, the fact that it was called a victory plan, well, on the one hand, it is a good media topic for ukrainians, to raise some moods in ukraine, in

the ukrainian army, on the other hand, this is obviously a tool of pressure on western partners, because after all, the president came with a plan to win, everyone wants to win, probably, but something tells me that with such experienced guys as joe biden and the rest of the company, such tricks are probably not very... already works, er, so, once again, er, the more will bring zelensky from his trip, all the better, despite the fact that i think he is doing all this for a reason these days, because i think the bank still learns from its mistakes, if you remember, a year ago, the same days, plus or minus, volodymyr zelenskyi also spoke at the un security council, at the un general assembly, but then they... absolutely did not attach special importance and special attention to the issue of approving the aid package to ukraine, because no one doubted that it would be voted there

in the coming weeks and... and then as we all we know, ukraine paid too much for the fact that there was a delay of almost 6-7 months. now, in fact, the visit to the un general assembly has become secondary, the issue of promoting the so-called victory plan is put first, but once again, this is a visit for money, for weapons and resources, and for an attempt to convince joe biden to change the course of history after all. he used this device a lot in the last 30 months. , but it is unlikely that he did everything to make it happen, i think zelensky and yarmak will try to convince him as much as possible, to change his mind and make some important decisions in the few months joe biden has left in office. zelensky began to use the rhetoric of many experts, who have used it for the past two and a half years, that time is playing against us. and he is absolutely right. we don't have

much time. and if the american partners and other key allies agree to give it to us, then of course it will be very cool, but again, for nato, i have expectations, well, not that pessimistic, just give us another 30 seconds, i will take some time, if you agree to the invitation of ukraine to nato, this means agreeing to implement the fifth article regarding ukraine, but how will it be implemented, that is, to fight side by side with ukraine, if they don't even want to give us... permission to use long-range weapons, again it is not known about the number, that is, how many of those missiles we have in general is also unclear, that is, there are no indicators that indicate that we will be offered to join nato in the near future, thank you, thank you, mr. andrii , ms. evgenia, here is the plan for victory, he foresees that there should probably be a plan for defeat, if for ukraine the plan is a plan

for victory, then for russia... accordingly, a plan for defeat, and obviously, with this plan for defeat, if it is close to the plan for victory, then he is not very satisfied our western partners, because judging by the dynamics of how they are trying to transfer weapons to us and which weapons, and not being decisive in their decision to strike on russian territory with western weapons, it means that for russia with western weapons it... means that that, in fact, putin's regime and russia now are in such preservation with our western partners, can it be successful and can there be a plan to win without a plan to lose, which our large cohort of our western partners should adopt? this is a very important issue, and it's quite, probably broader, broader

than our discussion that was before... this, but i would like to support the colleagues who spoke, and, well, here we are, i think there is no some disagreements in our desire for the success of ukraine and the success of our state, and especially andriy, who obviously participated a lot in certain corporate negotiations, he knows that the bar should always be the highest, in any case membership in nato is written in our constitution, therefore... this is, well, an absolutely clear political position, from which, well, from which, i think, any which politician, who is, well, really ukrainian, will not back down, and whether it can be solved at once, well, yes, this is already an open question, and here is the fifth article and so on, although you know, there are a lot of nato members, well at least in such private conversations , parliamentarians from nato member countries, especially

those that are closer to russia. they are no longer so sure about the fifth article, because they say, well, these are consultations, it may take time, and such small countries as the baltic countries, well, they are captured much faster than these consultations will take place, so, well, besides this umbrella should have really certain such commitments, so very clear commitments on military support and support, by the way, of military potential and production. weapons in ukraine, i think that will be one of our topics that we will discuss, but obviously we will so great is israel in the matter of military technologies, i.e. all technologies related to the production of weapons, by the way, just the case of israel, it is interesting, they do not have membership in nato, but they have an annual deadline in the budget'.