there are payments to the head of ukrenergo for several years, it is less than, for example, the sum of the bribe of the deputy minister of energy for one transaction, and i think that the problem, the main problem is not that telegram channels write lies, some people there who have their own youtube channels, where do they distribute their parliamentary mandates. in the fact that with a high probability, unfortunately, this is done for money, and this money is not taken from the white salaries of the top management of companies, but from some obviously shadowy cash flows, and as i said, the scale of obviously much more than the payments there by the management of ukrenergo or some other energy companies, from my salary... i have always paid taxes properly, i

have always received only a white salary during my career, and i am very proud of the fact that, relatively speaking, what the higher salary i receive, the more taxes i can pay to the state budget, well, as for lawsuits, let's see, there will be time, maybe we will deal with it, i hope, by the way, that there is such an initiative in the verkhovna rada of ukraine, regarding to bring out of the shadows. owners or well, the ultimate beneficiaries of these or other telegram channels that have millions of subscribers, or more than a million subscribers, just so that everyone understands who is behind it, because if the media has, well, there are certain media that have less influence than individual telegrams -channels, now 70, more than 70% of ukrainians get their news from telegram channels, by the way, this is yesterday's information, research, it's just a fact, and that's why, relatively speaking, the espresso tv channel or the pryamy tv channel or the rada tv channel or whatever which other tv channel is responsible to the national commission, to by law, well... in the same way, other people also have to

answer, because it actually already exists as a means of mass information, well, since, again , ukrainians receive this or that news from there, and one more question, again, here such, well, not personnel, but these rumors, they must be put to the end, and then we will return to generation and waiting for the autumn-winter period, and they wrote that the minister of energy galushchenko could be behind your dismissal, huh? if so, why did this information appear? well, this information, first of all, i also already in previous interviews said that i consider the ministry to be the initiator of this whole situation. i repeat once again that this situation has nothing to do with the bad or good protection of the ukrenergo substation, it is a complete absurdity, and it is simply a desire to obviously control the operational activities of the company, attempts at such control

began back in the 21st year, to control money, yes, to control the money, to control some, i don't know, personnel appointments within the company, and as early as the 21st year, active attempts began there to offer me very good people to various positions in the management of the company, which i rejected, there were attempts to change the management of the company outside the supervisory board in the 21st year, already during the invasion and in... disintegration, there were attempts to change the board once again, there were attempts to dictate, for example, the sequence of payment of debts on the electricity market , well, that is, there were quite lively attempts to interfere in our activities, yes, with documents, with official letters, orders, and so on, and we never once... did not

give in to these attempts, they are at some point stopped, obviously, when people realized that there was no point in talking to us in such a language, but numerous inspections began, first a ministerial audit, then the state audit service conducted an audit with the participation of representatives of the ministry, then numerous investigations by law enforcement agencies, media, by the way attacks too, and they didn't start before... my dismissal or after my dismissal, they started many months ago, i remind you that the same lie was published about my salary of 2 million uah, and in my opinion trukha’s telegram channel actively dispelled this fake, and there were some other things that counted how many air conditioners are in my house, well, they published some kind of delusion, but it was obviously such an art preparation, and it is absolutely obvious to me that with more or these attempts were less intense. well, finally

get this control over the company, but now it's a paradoxical situation, because of the rather active reaction of civil society, including our westerners. partners who entrusted ukrenergo with 1.5 billion euros of funding during the invasion, this more than involved the ministry and other energy companies combined, after this reaction the process stopped, that is, i was fired, my deputy was appointed by the supervisory board, yes, oleksiy brecht, this is our technical director, and in fact now... there is such a crossroads, that is or the normal management system of the company will be restored, when the supervisory board is created, it should have a majority of independent people who oversee the company's activities without any,

without regard to any whims of someone there, well without, let's say, there is such a good word, i don't know it's in ukrainian, it's just not from ukrainian. this word is not from ukrainian realities, that's why it sounds like smotryachy and, not from ukrainian realities, but everything is melting, yes, yes, the question is that the institution of smotryachy is, conditionally, something that has forever, we must forever forget it in in this country, there are civilized institutions, european, or, if you want, civilized institutions of the civilized world, if we go there, then precisely such institutions... must be built, and of course we must not forget that state-owned companies are the property of the public, property of the people, they are not the property of appointed officials, and sometimes officials forget this and begin

to identify themselves as if they are the owner of a state-owned company, and this is why supervisory boards are needed to insulate the company from such negative possible influence uh from ukrenergo, the supervisory board performed this function for several years, and i really hope that after the situation with my dismissal, the new supervisory board that has already been created will be restored, and the team that remained at ukrenergo, which has been for three winters maintained the energy system in extremely difficult conditions, united it with the european energy system, did a lot. in order to strengthen the defense, that this team will be allowed to work quietly, well, that is, what time, it is interesting, now, well, again, we have to understand, there are acting duties, oleksiy brecht, whom you know, about about which you

said, but the work continues, i understand that the train is moving on the same same track without turning anywhere, what is the time for understanding, this person. will perform his duties without this prefixes without this prefix, will they still find some other person, and will these searches continue according to your information? it is important to understand that a specialist will come . regarding mr. brekt, it is clear that this is a person who has 25 years of experience in the energy sector, and here no questions arise , this is one of the most experienced, most qualified energy workers in general in this country, it is very difficult to find, i can even imagine who? here's who with the level of competence could surpass oleksiy, i worked with him a lot years side by side, this i can say for sure, absolutely, if we imagined that you and i were in norway, how the process should have happened, a supervisory board should have been created,

consisting of seven members, four of which are independent, now there is no in general, three, and yes, four independent members of this supervisory body should be elected. board, after that the supervisory board conducts an open, public, transparent competition for the head of the company, not by the criterion of his personal loyalty to someone, not by the criterion of whether he is somewhere there, you know, with whom he drank vodka, or with whom he is friends, or who is his relative, and according to the criteria of professionalism, correct values ​​and his, so to speak, whether it is possible. to actually lead the company at this very moment, in which it is, and we are, let me remind you, on the eve of a difficult winter, and according to the results of this competition , a manager, a new manager of the company, should be chosen, whether it will be oleksii, or not, or whether there will be oleksii at all to apply for this competition or not, these are questions that can

be asked only after it happens this new independent supervisory board was created, and that's how i was elected as the leader in 2020, so... i was chosen in a competition where there were 40 or 50 people, so there was a whole process that lasted several months, and i won this competition and was appointed in august of the 20th year. four years ago, this is exactly the kind of competition that should be held this time as well. you have had cases when the president called you on a mobile phone, no, not on a mobile phone, and the phone should also be official, or not official, there is an official phone, but my communication with the president, it took place, as a rule, within the framework of some meetings, uh, either on-site, or in the office of the president, or within the framework of meetings of the stake or other formats, but... not through a mobile phone and not through an office phone special forces, well

, to be honest, i doubt that these special forces are being used so actively at the moment, after mentioning the president, and he said words that, in principle, are correct, we need to move, build, increase, spread , as they say with... this security to strengthen the energy sector, the president said that one to 1 g of gas- powered shunt generation will be built, and then there was a statement, well , it’s from the president, that’s the plan, that’s the mandate, and there are people who have to implement it, then there was the statement minister of energy and said that we already have 400 megawatts, and you said in an interview that we have since then plus 60 mw, that is, we understand the cut. and realistically, how much is 460, and what

needs to be done in order for this axis of the president's mandate, regarding one gigawatt, you said that we lost half of what happened last winter, well, at least it's a plus one, why isn't it not done, or what is needed to do it? well, first of all, how many new decentralized generation units, not generators near ticket offices, have actually been built. no ecoflos bought by ukrainians, to which the ministry of energy has nothing to do, namely the new generation that will work in the power system up to, i emphasize, up to 60 mw, not 60 even, but up to 60 mw, and what is it just to denigrate people, what is 60 mw, let me explain , as i said, we lost 9 gv, i.e. 900 mw, new generation has been put into operation today, connected to the power system has been introduced. operation of up to 60 megawatts, and about half of

them are two such small power plants, let's put it this way, and one of them was connected, these are small, of low power, and one of them has been connected to the network for a year and a half, in general, that is, at such rates, if we will continue in this spirit, then we will need, i don't know, a decade to replace the generation destroyed by russian missiles, which was lost this year, but we also lost generation in 22-23 years, well, that is gres, and these are coal-fired thermal power plants, these are gas-fired thermal power plants, basically these are these types of plants, so accordingly, what should be done, we should stop trying in a centralized way by the state. build decentralized generation. what is decentralized generation? this is when, instead of one

coal-fired power station with a capacity of 100 mw, you have 100 small power plants with a capacity of 10, conditionally, i say conditionally now. it means distraction, the same principle that our soldiers use on the battlefield: distraction. no one is trying to accumulate 100 tanks, 200 armored fighting vehicles. and 4 thousand people in one place, on one parking lot, right? likewise in energy, energy is under fire from the enemy, under fire from the enemy, accordingly it must be dispersed, in order to do this, it is necessary to attract private capital, not to try to build hundreds of small power plants with the help of state-owned companies, simply giving them a command, here you are 100 megawatt you need to build, you have 300, you have 200, go and do it, and how? you will do it, no one is interested, it is necessary to create the conditions for

private capital to start massively investing in the new ukrainian generation, this is definitely a task facing the ministry of energy, as a ministry specialized in this field, and it is, strictly speaking, responsible according to the scoreboard. on 12/31/2024, we see this score on the scoreboard by... so far, this score is not very impressive, and what worries me the most is an obvious attempt decorate real. there from the rostrum of the parliament or in the public space, talking about some hundreds of megawatts of new generation, there are no hundreds of megawatts of new decentralized generation, as far as i understand, they are trying to add to this figure the restoration of broken thermal power plants from the soviet era, some diesel generators that are installed in the regions at the boiler house at

a small pumping station, but this is not generation, this is... power sources after the outages began, they do not work on the power system, well, in the daily regime, that is why we are talking only about those power plants that, in fact, will replace coal-fired power plants and thermal power plants that were destroyed by the enemy, and unfortunately we have several dozen of such power plants . yes, of course, this is such a traditional fuel for a modern one. thermal generation, but i’m just going to ask right away, i heard a statement in the government, in my opinion it was a whip, but i’m afraid to lie, i just remembered that this year we plan to run on our own gas production, i simply lead to the point that if you build dozens of power plants, then buy gas, again the price of this gas and all this will then be included in the price,

when a private investor will do it, he already knows what the price of electricity today on the wholesale market. accordingly, today , by burning gas in a modern gas turbine , gas-piston power plants can sell electricity from this gas with a huge profit, and by the way, private businesses are very actively ready to invest in these things, and we at ukrenergo have been busy creating them in recent months. for private business, so that private business invests in the new ukrainian generation. in particular, what we did with the energy regulator from ncp, the liberalization of prices on this wholesale market for business and the long-term contracts that ukrenergo concludes with investors for 5 years, buying out the service from these future power plants, from

the 25th to the 30th year . thus, the investor clearly understands. how to pay off his project, he has a solid contract with a large state company, with the operator of the energy system, and this contract he can bring to the bank, take a loan, invest, get a profit on your investment, pay off the loan and get a corresponding profit, such contracts are currently concluded for 600 megawatts, ugh, i will not ask about works, because again, we will not give information. year, this is a realistic term, one year for the deployment of new electricity production systems, as well as energy storage systems, these are battery systems, the so-called battery storage, which are also very necessary for balancing, but only two ukrenergo auctions for these services gave 600 the mvt of those who want to build, which

will start building right now, is a private business, but in the sector, we see much more modest results, and i think that the bet should still be placed on private business, because we know how much to build a long time ago, back in the 23rd year, at the beginning, we talked about the need to build decentralized generation, by the way, there was a lot of talk about this in the press, but then a different vision of energy development was brought to the london conference on recovery, some kind of gigantomania , where it was necessary to build invest 400 billion euros. to build 300 gw of new capacity, well, western investors looked at it, they said, sorry, these plans are unrealistic, you are talking about some space, fantasies, we are business people, and we invest money in real projects, not in someone's dreams, there are dreams and so on, and we lost time, in any case, here we are now

, concluding, as they say, we will get as close as possible to people who... well, either to warm or to freeze this winter, here we have to prepare, as i understand it, that this winter anyway we are passing, plus or minus some tens or hundreds of megawatts will be added to what is there now, here you have already said about this year, that is, it is clear that we will restore traditions on traditional generation, i will prove that as you advise people, well it's so easy to prepare, so what to buy at home, you can buy a large diesel generator at sbb, i believe that if there is no sharp increase. the intensity of russian shelling, that is, we cannot say that they will not occur at all, but it is important that there will not be a sharp increase in intensity, that they will not be at three or in five times larger and more frequent. we will have such a situation that in warm periods of winter, conditionally +2, there is up to -5, you said, but -1,

there will be outages or minimal, or there will be none at all, in cold periods of winter -5, minus, especially -10, -15, the consumption will increase so much that it is not physically possible to collect enough generation to cover it, ugh, and then there may be blackouts. what scale they will be, well, this is a guess on the coffee grounds, but we can say that the deficit may be similar to some kind of summer deficit, ugh, that is, it is not july or august, it depends a lot, again, how many power plants will be restored, what will be the import of electricity, because in july we also did not use imports, unfortunately, at full capacity, we did not import all that we could would import, unfortunately, because of the price but then, this is also a question for the leaders of the industry, how to ensure the complete filling of imports in winter, and i want to say by the way that and remind that the poles, the polish

prime minister, in particular, proposed to attract polish power plants to work in ukraine in the winter, and it seems to me that we need to work very hard on this project in order to get a few hundred megawatts of electricity... this is the use of the imported power that ukrenergo provides there, but which, unfortunately, not used, less than a minute, i can’t help but ask this question, do you already have an understanding of what you will do later in life, i have approximate ones like this, that is, it is a public service, a private business, i don’t know, write a book, go traveling there, to support the armed forces of ukraine, in any way, i can say for sure that i will be in ukraine, supporting... the armed forces, we were very involved in ukrainian energy and we supported them more than 350 million over the last year and a half, and of course in force already in my much more modest capacity, i

will also do it, but i would like to work in one or more of the following areas, it is investment attraction, it is european integration, because in fact, in the 22nd year, we brought ukrenergo into the electric power sector. and i believe that this experience can be replicated on the whole country, that is the transformation of our energy system, that is the development of this new decentralized generation, it will essentially mean a new ukrainian energy system, cheaper, cleaner, more resistant to russian attacks. in what format i will realize myself in these three directions, time will tell, i think, in the coming weeks. months, but for sure i would like to work in these areas, and to date, i do not see a big request for this from the public

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