and for dictators, it can absolutely work, because russians, as it turned out, they want to live, well, they would just like to kill with impunity, they want to live in moscow, because moscow has become better, and when they start to feel the potential of radioactive ash, they are very they are sad, and here is one of the comrades, i liked this phrase so much, he asked, so what do you offer us? they will die with crimea and donbas, and when the question is posed in exactly this way, it turns out that they do not need either crimea or donbas, that is, once again we return to of the military and political power of the united states, whether they will be bound by it or not , well, there are many doubts about this , because what is written in the american army as a plan for victory, well, let it go.

we have already heard it 100 times, it was presented in different ways, there is a plan for the victory of ukraine, there are 10 points, not four, we have heard all these plans and approaches many times, it is all clear, all the same, it is based on military support, and now we see , if these are iskanders, yes, it seems that they are iskanders, or yes russian iskanders, that’s how you see them they were photographed beautifully, what you will show, and... well, we must show them this too, you and i will go to the rocket, there will be a ukrainian flag, and i will write on the rocket the recipe for borscht for maria zakharova in parentheses, how is her heavily drinking smarm, well, just so as not to be confused with the addressee, and then, look, look, they will say, well, really, why all this, because by... if she goes like this,

how now, he hires his non-citizens for money, they destroy our citizens in our cities, and the attention front is moving where, to the west, he is moving, there in kursk region we moved them a little, but the war must be looked at in a complex way, by the way, bloomberg reports that the kremlin plans to increase its military expenditures to $142 billion. which will be 6.2% of the country's gdp, it exceeds russia's spending on education, health care, social policy and the national economy together, that is, it indicates that russia is going to continue fighting in ukraine, and possibly not only ukraine, and this is also a certain bellwether for our western partners, because russia is similar, just like... the soviet union before

because skonav throws in a military machine, big money, simply and sooner or later, this military machine will simply crush russia or not romante, well, we don’t have to wait for something , will it crush or not ? will end soon, and i would like to divide it into optimism, our head of state is the most informed. an hour, but wait, the offensive continues, the cabs flew and are flying around kharkov and zaporizhzhia, people were killed, and killed, and they kill, and they increase the budget for the military for the next year, in general, they approve a budget for three years, it means that either we do not know something, or we are too optimistic , and i still take tentative approaches, which... . it can always be worse, because

some people think that it can't be worse, but it seems to me that it can be worse, and that's why we have to get out of it, because we have to wait when they have it there. they will run out of money, they will beat the ingush there, kill the kadyrivs, then they will not like it, they will cut it off, unite and will cut off moscow, well, the scenario is not bad, but we can’t just wait... when it happens there by itself, we have to, well, not wait, but somehow moderate our lives ourselves, and shorten our lives by the russian zagarm, so once again very many unknowns, and so far what i have seen in terms of the victory plan, all the points are cool, i like them all, only they all depend not on us, but on our partners, well you see, something is happening there, because here i am watching the message about what is being prepared

a meeting, a meeting of the leaders of france, great britain, germany and the united states, they will be talking about ukraine right now, and it's as if... er, well, there is some hope that actually, well, let's be honest, it's clear that there is the principle of consensus both in nato and in the european union, but it largely depends on these four states what the actual decision will be, but i would like it to be like this, you know, so that there is no war, well, that it ends while there is no this decision, the president... of france , emmanuel macron, said that after the war it will be necessary to rethink the relations of all of europe with russia. let's listen to macron. we are trying to move forward with the current european political community. but we

will have to think about a new form of organization of europe and rethink our relations with russia when peace comes to this continent. build a new one. the international order is undoubtedly the greatest challenge of today, because our current order is incomplete and unjust. you see, roman, macron is already thinking about what will happen after the war with russia. well, that's right, that's okay, folks have to think, especially the president, they have to look a few steps ahead, and who is against fair. peace order, history in general and the united nations before this league of nations, in principle, it rests on the same theses, the inviolability of borders, because when you start stepping into history, it does not matter whether it is before the first world, or before the second, or

before the third, which maybe it’s already happening, we just haven’t written about it in the textbooks in this way yet, so it all starts with this, in one state, regardless of what... they they say, the führer's roof goes off, then everyone else's, and it starts, the beating starts, well , actually, everything to think about here, but no one, you see, well, the ukrainians are more inclined to this than if there was no russia at all, but our western partners, they are so careful in this regard, they don't insist, they listen to all kinds of fooled yashins, who for the fact that the most important thing is that it does not fall apart and so on and so forth, in principle, if we live within the framework of internationally recognized borders, we will not build a network of arseniy yatsenyuk real defensive defense structures, then somehow

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greetings, friends, live on the espresso tv channel. verdict program is the second part of our program and in this issue we will talk about: security guarantees seriously. yarmak confirmed that inviting ukraine to nato is part of zelenskyi's victory plan. does ukraine have a chance to receive an invitation to the alliance by the end of this year. a critical time for courage. great britain called. usa to allow ukraine strike with western weapons deep into the territory of russia,

which prevents the allies from making a positive decision. economy of wartime. ukraine is increasing the production of weapons and ammunition. is it possible to completely transfer the ukrainian economy to the military rails and in what way to do it? about this, and not only about this. we will talk for the next 45 minutes. let me remind you that we work not only live on the espresso tv channel, but also on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those watching us live there now, please subscribe to our pages, and also take part in our survey. today, we are asking you, friends, about the following: are you satisfied with the work of the main intelligence department of the ministry of defense of ukraine. yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, if... you have a separate opinion, please leave it in the comments below this video. if you're watching

us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote on 0800 211 381 if you're happy with the work of the defense intelligence agency, no 0800 211 382. all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will pick you up. the results of this vote, i want to introduce the guests of today's studio, this is yevgenia kravchuk, people's deputy of ukraine from the servant of the people, deputy head of the parliamentary committee on issues. and information policy, head of the committee on culture, science, media and sports, ms. yevgenia, i congratulate you, thank you for joining our broadcast, good evening, oleksiy kucherenko, people's deputy of ukraine from batkivshchyna, first deputy of the parliamentary committee on energy and housing and communal services, mr. oleksiy, thank you for being with us, thank you, and

andriy osachuk, people's deputy of ukraine from the voice, first deputy chairman of the parliamentary committee on issues. of security, mr. andriy, i am glad to see you, thank you for being with us today, good evening, thank you for the invitation, well, since the whole world, well at least that part of the world that gathered at the un general assembly, will discuss or talk about our plan for victory , about the victory plan that brought to the united states america's volodymyr zelenskyi, we will also talk about this victory plan, although probably the american visas or... according to the british visas of zelensky know more about this victory plan than we do, but let's be in the trend of the world media, because the world media is presenting the plan in parts victory and claim that this is a victory plan, maybe it is not a victory plan either, but i hope that at least yevgenia kravchuk should know,

at least in theory, zelenskyi's victory plan, because... they are representatives of the opposition parties may not know what zelensky took to the united states of america. ms. yevgenia, maybe you can tell us what the victory plan consists of and how it differs most importantly from the peace formula. we always had blitzes at the beginning, so i will still answer the blitz, i am satisfied with gurm's work. we will find out what gurmo is doing after the war, maybe we will see films about it. but it's worth noting, because our good mood in the morning when we read the news very often provides a boost, now to your question, well, we're fine we understand what are the necessary elements for the victory of ukraine, yes, we live in ukraine, we understand that these are weapons, that these are security

guarantees, and security guarantees are better than nato, they are not obvious, or well... a very clear commitment from partners that they will not sit and think for a long time, but will have a ready-made plan if russia ever wants to attack ukraine again, well, without conditions, this is an acceleration of aid, because it is stated further in the topic about the statement of the british foreign minister, what he was talking about, what if do not increase significantly. quantitative aid to ukraine, then we can spend the 25th and 26th years in the war, and we can really only sincerely wish volodymyr zelenskyi, the president of ukraine, success in convincing partners to increase substantial aid. thank you, mrs. yevgenia, well, gentlemen, since yevgenia also answered

our survey, which we conduct among viewers and tv viewers, and i will also ask you about the work of gurmo, shall i? are you satisfied or not, because, well, why do we ask, because these rumors are constant, that there is bakanova, not bakanova anymore, bakanov came to my mind, where, by the way, is bakanova, this is also a question, they want to remove budanov, that they removed two of his deputies, that is, there is a constant kind of informational noise going around, although it should not be like this during the war, mr. oleksiy, well i'm probably still probably for... i'm sorry, because in fact, as far as i'm concerned, according to my understanding of the standards of war there, strategy and so on, it's generally desirable for the population not to know that there is such a gur, you understand, well, it performs such a specific function that it is generally nonsense when about they know something about him, they read something there, there is some, well, well, information, you understand, and this

probably caused, by the way, the kind of negativity, well, that is being spread by the media, maybe. negative, or the elimination, as you say, or personnel rotation of the same budanov, because apparently, well, no one likes competition, well, how about i have to work effectively in this situation, but i do not accept unnecessary pr , not from the military, not from our heads of state-owned enterprises, ministers, prime ministers and so on and the like, this pr is superfluous, it not substantiated by anything, but for some reason it seems to me that gur still fulfills his mission. quite effectively, and the fact that you say that in the morning we wake up and hear good news somewhere from behind the fence and the band is involved, it still adds confidence. ukrainians, that we have a plan that adds to us, and a plan adds to it, and yes, yes, yes, what, what, that we have such a structure, which, i don’t know, is it correct to compare it with the israeli

masad, which, which will always come, pack and do his work in enemy territory, sir andrii, well, you know, i actually don’t like the 31st month of the great invasion very much, when many fundamental issues of warfare are discussed in the format of public hearings or public discussion with live broadcast, well, i support oleksiy kucherenko here, what about gur in general, according to the idea, no one should know anything in particular, and you actually ask the audience a question, the answer to which they do not know for sure, because the group does not report, the information that spreads about their activities, may not be completely true, because all the information is published during the great war should actually be aimed at... disinforming the enemy, because it's not a commentary on a football match in an online broadcast, but that i can definitely confirm that the ukrainian special services

are much stronger than anyone in europe might think or the world, and they do really very cool work, and before the great war, they did it quite well, and during the great war, but here again yevgenia is right, let's all let's wait... and get to our victory and then maybe maybe through for some time we will learn the details, and then we will be able to evaluate how satisfied or not we are with the work of the group of other special services. well, we will not wait for the end of the war, we will just publish the intermediate results at the end of the program, because we are interested in what people think in general, if in the first part of the program, almost 70% of the respondents said that they were satisfied with the work. well, we can't tell them to be dissatisfied, but they listened to the news from budanov, so they are satisfied, so the question is about the future prospects of the general.

budanov and his excessive media presence, what to do with it, actually for zelenskyi's team, this is also a big challenge, well, we have already seen one general whose rating was quite high, who is now the ambassador to great britain. let's return to the topic of the victory plan, because andriy yermak, the head of the office of the president of ukraine during a speech at the council on international relations in new york, confirmed that inviting ukraine to nato is part of president zelensky's victory plan. let's listen to what yarmak said. we should have an advantage on poly. to force putin to end hostilities . we are trying very hard. without ships, we destroyed the black sea fleet. having no air superiority, we stopped the russian advance in

most directions, including kharkov. without fear, we returned the war to russia. ukraine's invitation to nato is part of the victory plan. mr. oleksiy, if ukraine does not receive an invitation from the north atlantic alliance, and this is one of our points. victory and victory plan, does this mean that this victory plan may not be implemented? oh, the question is this head on right away, you know, well, you found me as an analyst, mr. serhii, in my opinion, this is the key question, because we are so convinced that there will be an invitation, i personally, excuse me, well, for some reason i am not very convinced, i have my own in general vision of prospects in nato, er... er operational ones, i am not too optimistic here, to be honest, on, well, unfortunately, yes, i am more of a realist, but really, this will be such

a contradiction, yes, we we expect that by the end of the year we will be invited and, relatively speaking, taken under the umbrella, but for some reason it seems to me that not really there, they expect us there and don't really want to take us under the umbrella, because they understand the countries, well, the leaders... nato, what are the risks for them, electoral risks, sorry, we understand how electoral the electoral process is today in the states, in the same ones, how important it is, and that is why i am not an optimist here, i rather analyze that we have to assume that this point of the plan will not happen, and that's how much then this plan will be effective and efficient, that's it. ve question, thank you, mr. oleksiy, mr. andriy, or there is no bar, the north atlantic alliance, a high bar that is set in

this plan for victory, and... then we go, lower the degree, so to speak, of our desires and say, well, well, we will not be in the north atlantic alliance in in the near future, but give us more weapons, give us more long-range weapons, maybe this is what the high bar that andriy yermak is talking about, well, first of all, sergey, we are once again discussing something that we do not know, because yeremak said one thesis, someone else, this so-called plan, who has not seen it in the eyes, that is, we are discussing rumors, they are discussing rumors, it is stupid, but regarding nato, the discussion has been going on for a long time, it is quite clear, yarmak voiced it, and here my position is quite clear, i do not think that such an invitation will be in the near future, i am convinced that bankova simply raised the bar as much as possible, because this is to some extent, perhaps

a visit... i testify, because volodymyr zelensky went for money, for weapons, for permission remove any restrictions on the use of weapons, because the further success of ukraine in this war can depend on this alone. the thing that it was called a victory plan, well, on the one hand, it is a good media topic for ukrainians, to raise some moods in ukraine, in the ukrainian army, on the other hand. this is obviously a tool of pressure on the western partners, because after all, the president came with a plan to win, everyone wants to win, probably, but something tells me that with such experienced guys as joe biden and the rest of the company, such tricks are probably not very works, uh, so once again, uh, the more zelenskyi brings from his trip, the better, eh, although i think he

does it all these days. not without reason, because i think that bankova still learns from her mistakes, if you remember, a year ago, on the same days, plus or minus volodymyr zelenskyi also spoke in the un security council at the un general assembly, but then they absolutely did not attach special importance and special attention to the issue of the adoption of the aid package for ukraine, because no one doubted that it would be voted on there in the coming weeks, and then... as we all know, ukraine paid too much for the fact that there was barely a delay not for 6-7 months. now, in fact, the visit to the un general assembly has become secondary, the issue of promoting the so -called victory plan is put first, but once again, this is a visit for money, for weapons and resources and for an attempt to convince joe biden to change the course of history after all, he is for

used this rhetoric a lot in the last 30 months. but he hardly did everything to make it happen, i think zelensky and yarmak will try to convince him as much as possible, change his mind and make some important decisions for the literally few months that jobiden has left in office. zelensky began to use the rhetoric of many experts who have been using it for the last one and a half to two years, that time is playing against us, and he is absolutely right, we don't have much time, and if... that american partners and other key allies agree to give it to us , of course it will be very cool, but again, i have expectations for nato, well, not that pessimistic, just give me another 30 seconds, i will take my time, if i agree to inviting ukraine to nato means agreeing to implement the fifth article in relation to ukraine, but how will it be implemented, i.e. fighting side by side with ukraine, if they don't even want to give us

permission to use long-range weapons, again it is not known about the number, that is, how many of those missiles we have in general, it is also unclear, that is, there are no indicators that indicate that we will be offered to join nato in the near future. thank you, thank you, mr. andriy, ms. evgenia, here is the plan for victory, it assumes that there should probably be a plan as well defeat, if the plan for ukraine is a plan for victory, then for russia, respectively. a defeat plan, and obviously with this defeat plan, if it's next to a victory plan, it doesn't sit well with our western partners, because judging by the dynamics of how they're trying to give us weapons and what weapons, and not being decisive in their decision to strike on...