in relation to ukraine, but how will it be implemented, i.e. fight side by side with ukraine, if even they do not want to give us permission to use long-range weapons, again it is not known in what quantity, that is, how many of those missiles we have there in general is also unclear , that is, there are no indicators that we will be offered nato membership in the near future. thank you, thank you, mr. andriy, ms. yevgenia, here is the plan for victory, it foresees. that probably there should be a plan for defeat, if a plan for ukraine is a plan for victory, then it is a plan for russia accordingly defeat, and obviously with this plan of defeat, if it is close to the plan of victory, then it does not suit our western partners very well, because judging by the dynamics of how they are trying to give us weapons and what weapons and being indecisive in their decision to strike. on the territory

of russia with western weapons, this means that, well , in fact, putin's regime and russia are now under such protection from our western partners, can it be successful and can there be a plan for victory without a plan for defeat, which should be adopted by our large cohort of our western partners, this is a very important issue, and it is quite... probably broader, broader than our discussion that was before, but i would like to support the colleagues who spoke and, well, here we are, i think there is no any differences in our desire for the success of ukraine and the success of our state, and especially andrii, who obviously participated a lot in certain corporate negotiations, he knows that the bar should always be the highest, in any case membership. nato

is written in our constitution, so it is an absolutely clear political position, which well, from which, i think, any politician who is, well, truly ukrainian, will not back down, and whether it can be solved at once, well, yes, this is already an open question, and here is the fifth article, and so on, although you know, there are a lot of nato members, well, at least in such private conversations, parliamentarians from the countries. nato members, especially those that are closer to russia, they are no longer so sure about the fifth article, because they say, well, these are consultations, it may take time, and such small countries as the baltic countries, well, they are fascinated much faster than these consultations will take place, therefore, in addition to this umbrella, there must be really certain such commitments, yes, very clear commitments on military support. and supporting, by the way,

the military potential and the production of weapons in ukraine, i think that this will be one of our topics that we will discuss, but it is obvious that we will become such a big israel in the matter of military technology, military technologies, that is, all technologies , which are related to the production of weapons, by the way, just the case of israel, it is interesting, they do not have membership in nato, but have an annual budget term. of the united states, and this money is annually allocated to arming israel and it is not discussed the way it is discussed every time it concerns ukraine, so actually there are different options, but of course, for the state, for us, for our future, it is better to have this, well, a clear commitment to nato. again, i'm not saying it's going to happen tomorrow, but it should be a clear guideline that... that it's

not just important to us, it's vital to us, and it's also a guarantee of non-repetition because, well, nobody doesn't want in 10 years again a huge conflict in the heart of europe, well, at least we want to think about it, in a way that partners do not want, including due to electoral issues. you have already mentioned what the minister of foreign affairs said. of british affairs david lammy that the war may continue into the 25th 26th year, i will quote mr. lammy, what he is actually talking about, a critical time for courage, patience and resilience on behalf of the allies who support ukraine, i as minister of foreign affairs, of course i will not comment on the details of the operation, because... because

it can only be, well, it means striking on the territory of the russian federation, it can only help putin, but there is a real-time negotiation between the allies. talking about how we can support ukraine on the eve of winter, and the main obvious question is how ukraine itself can support itself in the current situation, and in particular regarding the deployment of weapons production, because lemy says that the war will continue there until at least 26 th year, but it is not yet certain and maybe even more, there is information about the fact that... now every second ammunition on the front is of ukrainian production, defense minister rustam umierov stated that, if in the 23rd year the ukrainian share of ammunition was 18%, then in the 24th year it was 41%. he says that ukraine

has increased its long-range capabilities several times. in 2024, only the ministry of defense contracted drones for over 21 billion hryvnias and ammunition to them for another 9 billion hryvnias. in total , more than 1 million drones were purchased. in addition, ukraine was the first in the world to introduce drone swarm technology. over the past year alone, it was possible to destroy or damage more than 200 targets on enemy territory. well, actually it is about the formation of a large economy that will work for the defense and security of ukraine. mr. oleksii. do you see the general strategy of how our economy should go on a war footing, because if lemy says that the war can continue into the 26th year, that means that the next budget of 2025 has to be

passed , including taking into account those needs that are necessary for national security and defense. thank you before replying to i still have to answer your question a little. news, because here i was told that i don't know the constitution well about nato, then i would like to remind dear ms. yevgenia and all ukrainians that there are a lot of other things in our constitution, and that ukraine is a social country, about nadra, which belong to the people, and about the market economy, the field committee, the law enforcement system, competition, and so on and so on, so you know, let's not convince each other with slogans, because... you already told us that tomorrow we are going to the european one union, we will join right tomorrow, and you see, recently mrs. maternova, the ambassador of the european union in ukraine, said that, unfortunately, not before the 30th year, and i think, if you look at my quotes, that somewhere is to the end, so i lead to it, i am a realist, unlike

many cosmonauts, yes, who are in power today, well, not today, they came to power in the 19th year, and i leave reality, yes, but life will show which one of us? right, and so, going back to your question, mr. sergey, and of course what we are discussing, in the 24th year is coming to an end, the 25th is upon us, yes, we have 2.5, soon it will be 3 years of full-scale war, and we are now discussing how the economy should have been transferred to the rivers of war, yes, and i apologize, yes it was not necessary to do it now, it was to really prepare for the war then, but... not to show each other’s backs, if that’s the case in the grand scheme of things, you understand, that’s why what really happened during the war there was a certain mobilization of intellectual potential, financial resources, and it was not spared , agree, very serious money went there

poured into the system of the defense industry, and not everything there was so efficient, but nevertheless, i hope that really positive changes have taken place there, and you know, i am very optimistic... it happened, and i literally passed such an interview today , very interesting with aksakav, with a very respectable person, academician volodymyr pavlovich horbulin, who, by the way, directly, directly participated during all the years of independence and the last years, precisely in order for this defense system of ours to work, and you know, it is volodymyr pavlovich, i am his i listened to his arguments, his confidence that after all... technologically, ukraine is able to emerge at the expense of intellectual and professional potential? and for me, it was much more, well , his statements are more credible than the statements of certain representatives of the authorities. well , today i have built trust in the government and its

statements, i think i am not the only one, but let's hope that our defense industry is really gaining momentum, it really needs to be supported. finances, because this is a very expensive pleasure, by the way, you saw today president zelenskyi visited the factory for the production of 155mm s... weapons, which we would really like to have been produced there for a long time, but this interest is probably not accidental, just like interests in any other weapons, so here we all have to concentrate and unite our efforts to ensure that the missiles are truly ukrainian, which gorbulin says should be ukrainian missiles and of the appropriate range, and then we will feel confident, and by the way, mr. zaluzhnyi, he quotes that two more years therefore against... well, by the way, you mentioned, mr. oleksiy, about zelenskyi’s visit to this

factory, there was such a big banner with the background of which the president was signing these projectiles that are being produced, so on this banner it was written that victory on the battlefield begins at the factory, well, we see, yes, this is now a wonderful slogan, which in principle should be... be motivating, including for the ukrainian side, for the ukrainian authorities, mr. andrii, as far as our the economy can quickly and whether it is necessary to do it now or transfer the economy to military rails, and whether it will give a boost to the economy, because these are new jobs, well, in terms of security, there is of course an issue with the russians shelling a long-range vehicle. and drones, the question here is the safety of these enterprises that will produce and make the weapons that we

are asking so much in the west, and could some of these weapons be produced in our country? sergey, you know, any discussion is effective when all parties equally correctly understand the meaning of the words, and we have this impression, not very well do we all understand the meaning of the word mobilization on the 31st month of the great invasion, because on at the level of the media, and at the level of ordinary... citizens, i have the impression that the word mobilization means enlistment in the army, which is absolutely not the case, because the terms are clearly defined in the laws, and when the word mobilization is used at the state level, when the president signs a decree on mobilization, and the verkhovna rada approves it and has done so dozens of times already, because we have continuous mobilization, i will remind you that the law states that mobilization is a set of measures carried out for the purpose of planned transfer. national economy, activities of bodies state power, other state bodies, local self-government bodies,

the enterprise of the basis of the organization for functioning in the conditions of a particularly special period, i.e. the entire meaning of the word and the term mobilization, which is laid down in the presidential decree from february 24, in the transfer of the entire country to work in the regime of a special state, that is, it should have happened since february 24 , 2022, therefore... now we have to ask the question whether we should transfer the country, and to ask the question how we should decide the fate of aid to ukraine, here, probably, and it will be decided whether zelenskyi's so-called victory plan will be supported and in general what our prospects are for the coming years, we are producing weapons, again, in your summary, you voiced all the public figures that you and i have also heard from ukrainian officials, other numbers. who does not know, and if someone wants to discuss some other numbers, it will probably not be confirmed by anything. thank you,

mr. andriy, probably with the fact that spending will increase on the army, on defense, and related changes in tax legislation, because on the 15th, as i understand it, a law must be adopted by october 15, which will probably start to apply retroactively from october 1, well, at least that's what your colleague yaroslav zhelezniak said, i'll just remind our viewers that the government bill already includes an increase in taxes, and this is an increase in the military levy from 1.5% to 5%, an increase in taxes on the first and second groups of fops, gas station advance payments, 1% on all forms of fops of the third groups, 25% of profit for the institution's financial institution, monthly income tax reporting, 50%, bank profit tax in... in the 24th year, mrs. yevgenia, does this mean that if we

continue to develop this war economy and mobilization for this war economy, that this is not the last tax increase, and obviously we will have another tax increase, because it is clear that we cannot constantly living in debt, or if we live in debt, we must understand what we will simply cover. your expenses, which are within the country? well, with your permission, i will answer the previous question answered by my colleagues, i hope that the other question is not related to my article. because yes, usually men are asked about weapons, and women not so much, but nevertheless, colleagues did not voice this, but these are absolutely public figures, i agree with andrii that one should not say what should not be said in general, but it has already been voiced, our defense industry is now running at a third and could do a lot more and is not working just

because of lack of funding, it's partly related to taxes, obviously we can't cover it with our taxes, that's why there is initiative, it is called gunsmiths, and this is actually a type of fundraising from western budgets for other countries to invest in our industry, we currently have a ban on exports and this is absolutely correct, because i believe that it would be a nightmare from the point of view of communication, yes it would be it would be a nightmare if we were to sell arms abroad and at the same time ask for arms from the western allies, then... that is, we buy much less arms than we can produce them, for this we need money, of course, we ask others countries, especially those that are not like that concentrated on their own production, and the first countries that allocated funds to ukrainian industry, that is, to ukrainian production, and there were these photos in the background of bohdana, so i will not reveal

a big military secret here, this is denmark, they allocated the most, this. .. ireland and this is canada, is that enough? obviously not, part of the funds, by the way, came from frozen cifs, or rather, profits, taxes from profits on frozen assets, but this is not enough, at least we lack 10 billion dollars a year to finance their own sector, i.e. tsykhs can work in more than one shift, in three shifts, and this requires funds. and regarding the increase in taxes, i probably won’t reveal a big secret either, that we finance all military expenses from our own expenses, the exception may be when, if we finally receive according to the j7 decision, and this is what ursula fonderline spoke about when she came to ukraine ,

which we directly receive in such an advance from frozen profits, precisely from these taxes, and then we will be able to spend them. for arms or there for the expenses of the army or for wages, but in general, before that, we finance our military expenses from what we earn in various ways, these are taxes, these are customs duties, these are the vdp, special funds there and so on, but this what we earn, and if people's deputies have a choice, whether to pay the combatants, or to pay wages to those who... are on the front lines, well, obviously, well, the choice is objective and it is obvious that this is how it should be paid, i don’t know, perhaps, ms. yevgenia, it is necessary to take and collect from customs the money that is laundered every year, and for according to preliminary estimates, it is about 150 billion hryvnias, when your team came to power, they said

that they would carry out customs reform, and i remember very well how president zelensky... arranged meetings with customs officials and asked what their phones were , what kind of cars do they have, it seems to me that we need to hold another meeting with these customs officers, but already surrounded by the heads of the state security service, the ministry of internal affairs, and the security service of ukraine, and simply make these guys not give to build somewhere in the west, to pay to the budget, for these schemes that exist, can i answer or, please please. yes, you know, they always operate with such billions, billions that are being washed away, indeed, the customs office should work better, and by the way, the verkhovna rada voted on a bill related to customs reform, i am not saying that everything is fast or possible, it really could have worked faster, but objectively,

when there is a question whether to pay the combatants in september or not, i don't know, maybe other deputies didn't get through these... esks there from various military units, well, they came to me and there really was a question about days, so when the president signs the budget increase of about 500 billion, and they are of course connected with raising taxes. thank you, mr. oleksiy, you get such eskies, what do you think about it? text messages, no, i have some others, and they call me sometimes and... and they want to suggest that i join some kind of online casino there, yes, that is, we prohibit it, but they call there and, unfortunately, the military plays in these casino, do you understand? and unfortunately, they don't pay taxes either, because this is one of the sources that could to top up a lot, well, apparently they make very good money there, and that is why there are around this casino, you see, there are such manipulations

all the time, i am talking about taxes, well, this is a very simple and difficult question, it is clear that no one likes taxes, well, the population in first of all , business also does not like taxes, moreover, i undertake to assert that ukrainians have long been taxed with other taxes. in the absence of real energy, gas, and electricity markets, you understand very well that the so-called market the price of gas, and the so-called new price of electricity, and the market price of electricity for businesses, it is essentially a tax, it is an additional tax on all of us, and it will continue to increase in the near future, by the way, but these taxes, as when it is covered up that money is really needed for defense, for salaries, well, it's hard to deny, but on the other hand, here is me and our faction, we will do everything to show our colleagues in discussions on and on the first reading, but we also have to vote on

the second, as there are many other sectors where it is possible to find this money, we are perfectly ready to show it, customs is a matter of course, cigarettes, the same taxes, excises and so on, and in energy is wrong, in my opinion, and not only in energy, state companies are absolutely not... well, politics theirs is conducted on the payment of dividends, and the so-called independent supervisory boards allow them to do this, because it is probably beneficial to someone, this is a separate discussion, we would have someone to discuss with, so that at least someone would look listened to these arguments, you understand, but to impose taxes, well, the easiest thing that can be in this situation, but agree, in people for many people today, this money is simply not enough, just thank you, we have to finish. sorry, there is not enough time, we will talk with andrii vasachuk in the next broadcasts, i will definitely give more time for his speech, so oleksiy, oleksiy

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glory. to ukraine, heroes of words. it's 2 p.m. in ukraine, a new release for your attention. iryna koval works for you in the studio on the espresso tv channel. i'll just tell you about now the most important events at this time. two injured due to shelling in the kherson region. in the morning, the occupiers dropped explosives from a drone on antonivka. a 74-year-old man was treated with a variable explosive injury and shrapnel wounds - reported the head of the kherson city military administration