there will not even be an invitation of ukraine to nato, because it means the risk of direct war between nato and russia. they don't want it in washington, i think that moscow does too, but what's the problem: in moscow they understand that they don't want it in washington and are scaring them, not only there, they are scaring the prospect of nato membership and the application of the fifth article, even in terms of missiles, long-range, long-range weapons are intimidating, here is today's statement. putin, this is precisely evidence that he has already understood where the weak point is, where such a pain point is a point of concern, or a point, let's say, of fear in trump, not even in trump, but in biden, and that's why we need to put pressure on this point, and that's why there is such a statement that if a nuclear power will help a non-nuclear power, strike on the territory russia, this will be a declaration of war. i can't. that putin will take appropriate

steps because he wants to live, a person who cares so much about his health, i think he also cares about his life, but nevertheless, he felt such a weak point in the biden administration, in the president himself the usa is trying to put pressure there, but this is the main problem now, so i think that in terms of nato, one way or another, the issue will not be resolved now, not under biden, biden can tell us, okay, we support the euro-atlantic... prospects of ukraine, we yes, but not today, but tomorrow, yes, and therefore it will be a deferred matter depending on who will be the president of the united states, what will be the international situation next year, and accordingly, how will this war end? yes, so while this issue is postponed, i think we are not going to abandon nato, but here it is a lot depends on who will be the president of the united states. and what will be the fate of nato after

the presidential elections, well actually, mr. volodymyr, you just took the question of the future of nato off my tongue, because it is not clear what the configuration of this nato will be, given trump's statements that every state that is part of the alliance has to deduct the appropriate percentage, and those who don't will be 2%, not less than 2%, yes, and if they don't pay, then we won't protect them and so on, no, well, this is blasphemy. and me i think that trump is not sincere, well, a simple, simple example, again the situation with the help of ukraine in congress is suspended, in particular thanks to the republicans, there is no us budget for next year, the fiscal year, and at the same time trump accuses the europeans that they, they say, they do not help , and only the states help in ukraine, so the europeans have already announced the continuation of macro-financial assistance to ukraine, but the states have not yet announced. so that's why there is insincerity and,

unfortunately, just manipulation, plus one more problem, what worries me now is that trump was clearly tricked, pumped up against ukraine, not even against zelensky, but against ukraine, and the father is dangerous, yes, and there is a problem here, it is a challenge for all of us, and the fact that zelensky allegedly supports kamala garis there, although this does not answer reality, and here are the challenges now. are growing for us, and i think we need to prepare for it. thank you, mr. volodymyr. mr. viktor, it is possible that the next architecture of european security, perhaps the next stage after nato, may also be based on the ukrainian state this collective european security was created. europeans talk about this, that we need to consider different options and see what, what and how will happen. in your opinion, taking into account... the fact that we have one of

the best armies in the world, without exaggeration, with the experience of combat operations, and the fact that our fighters have weapons that probably have not even been seen in most countries such weapons, despite the fact that they are part of the north atlantic alliance, or whether in this case ukraine can claim to be one of the leaders of european security. and leaders in the new europe, because the security that was there before the 22nd, er, from february 20 to february 24, 22nd, will no longer exist, and therefore it is clear that something new will have to be created, but obviously on the same model north atlantic alliance? well, new alliances are possible, but we must talk about the leadership of ukraine with an eye on the fact that yes, we probably have... now the most experienced army in

the world, yes, an army that fights, there are many experienced soldiers, and you know how ours go to polygons here to those instructors, i think we have such fighters who can would like to become instructors for instructors, but let's look back at the fact that the ukrainian army is an army without a rear, because, as napoleon also said, three things are needed for war: money, money and money, er, this is the first, and the second, we need weapons that we ... produce, yes, we are given by allies, let's imagine that the budget of the 25th year is growing now, and there is 4.2 hryvnias in the budget, that is, our entire budget, the expenditure part, it is 100 billion dollars , well,

roughly, yes, but from them we earn only 1.7 trillion, i.e. a country that conditionally needs 2.5 trillion. money from allies, i.e. a larger part than she earns herself, it is difficult to talk about leadership, and we are only talking about live money that flows into our actually economy, yes, our, well, economic, social sector, but we still get no less weapons, and in fact, these weapons are not of the lendlease type, but simply as grant weapons. they took it, used it, forgot it, that's why, yes, we can talk about the professionalism of the armed forces of ukraine, and accordingly, a certain leadership, but we and dependent, absolutely dependent on our allies, and this must be taken into account, and by the way,

this and zelensky must behave accordingly, not to talk like they used to, it was a spanish shame, how he behaved with sikorsky, that's all- still... treat allies with extreme respect and thank, thank, thank. it is clear that in the current situation, both zelensky and the whole of ukraine are waiting for the decision of our western partners regarding possible strikes on the territory of russia, with western weapons, and putin, holding the radbe today with of the russian federation, spoke about the fact that if this happens, if missiles and drones fly, if it is recorded, then we will of course... give a response and a nuclear response, because today they changed the nuclear concept, the concept of nuclear defense, as they say . the washington post writes that the united states of america did not hear a convincing argument from ukraine regarding permission to strike the russian federation with western weapons. the

publication says that the russian federation has already withdrawn 90% of the planes that launched the bombs the limits of the atakams' range, so the allowance for long-range strikes will not have much effect. to hostilities, well, it seems to me that the washington post journalists are being a little sly here, because after all, what happened during the last two weeks in the warehouses, the big grau warehouses, around moscow, there in those big missile storage facilities, clearly showed how this is how it all works, but german foreign minister anna lena berbock at a un security council meeting. outlined the key points for a possible peaceful cessation of negotiations russian aggression against ukraine. let's listen to anna lena burbock. peace means that the existence of ukraine as a free and independent country

is guaranteed. this means security guarantees. on the one hand, we are very grateful that more and more of our partners in the world are thinking about. how to end this war. we need it, we need an end to this war. i would like to hear the last phrase she says, we need the end of putin's regime, about what we started, start this conversation, but everyone is talking about peace, we all for peace, let's sit down at the change table, well , it seems that schoolchildren got into a fight at recess, and then the class teacher brings them together, says: "well, you got into a fight there." "let's put up, don't do this again, at a time when the soviets without the un and the un general assembly are being held, putin launches rockets at residential buildings, kills ukrainians and destroys cities, and anna lena burbok says, well, listen, you're already there

quarreled, there is a kind of war between you, but you need to negotiate peace, well, how can you negotiate peace with people who believe what..." peace is war, as you wrote, please, mr. volodymyr, well, i will remind you here, mr. viktor mentioned sikorsky, yes, we must remember, and we have what there ... there was a lot of criticism of nasikorskyi in connection with his, shall we say, purely hypothetical assumption, and not a political statement, as someone wrote there, and here with ms. burbok, both sikorskyi and ms. burbek are friends of ukraine , who actively support us, support, in particular, the continuation of providing us with financial military aid, for the green party has always been pacifist towards them. wars, but in the current one, in the current coalition , the rulers, namely the greens, are the most consistent,

let's say, supporters of ukraine, and in principle, mrs. burbok always advocates such a peace that is fair, that takes into account the positions of ukraine's interests, so it is not easy there is a pacifist position on her part, another thing is that now the topic of peace, well, it is in the discourse and... the international discourse, and in the discourse of certain european countries, in particular in germany, they cannot ignore it, they must talk about it to speak, and for us this topic is already a challenge in one way or another, you see, i think that we need to be really realistic here, and now it is possible, not now, but a little later, zelensky will face the same dilemma as he once faced and poroshenko, peace or war, but again, there is some kind of agreement even on a ceasefire there or something else, but

again with a ceasefire, this does not mean a stable, stable peace, unfortunately, yes, yes, when there is such a the neighbor is aggressive, well, this does not guarantee anything, on the other hand, well, yes, we are everyone would like russia to be destroyed there, there was no putin, but unfortunately, for now this option is, well, let's say, not quite so realistic in the near future, i think that sooner or later it will happen, but for now that we will have to deal with putin in particular, and this is the closest, biggest problem for us and for our western partners, and therefore, in principle, the position that zelensky is now proposing to the states and to our other western partners, not only to the americans , that yes... it may be necessary to negotiate leave, but it is necessary to leave from a position of strength,

by the way, this is what american politicians are saying, including from the republican camp, for example, mike pompeo, many european politicians are talking about it, yes, yes, if you go to peace talks, then from the position of strength, and although there is a little bit of that, you know, zverkhnopiskov says, russia cannot be forced to peace, listen, they have already on... repeatedly gone to negotiations, repeatedly, and here the question is on what conditions they start negotiations, and if putin, here mr. viktor said about it, if putin will be to see that it will not be possible to defeat ukraine, and the problems in russia, let's say, are increasing, by the way, budanov said about this that the 25th year will be problematic for russia, and therefore we still need to maintain stability and ability ourselves for resistance and at the same time constantly reminding our partners: you have to help us so effectively to

force putin to negotiate without ultimatums, because real negotiations will only take place when there are no ultimatums from russia, so the situation is really ambiguous, about negotiations yes or otherwise and they will talk about peace, on what terms, and in such a way as to force putin to negotiate, but without ultimatums and without demands for unilateral concessions. from the side of ukraine. thank you, mr. volodymyr, mr. viktor, well, mr. viktor, well, obviously, the answers to all the questions that i am asking you today in the program, obviously, we will receive in the next few days, because there will be a meeting ahead of zelenskyi with biden, there will be a meeting with haris with trump is still not clear, because today ip reported that there will be no such thing the meeting is not planned, well, trump perceives it as the fact that zelensky is participating

in the election campaign of kamala garis, and therefore he was obviously jealous of it, and maybe trump wants to play along with putin, and in this situation he praised the russians and their victories in history, mentioned hitler and napoleon, which frankly offended the american audience, i think those descendants. who fought against germany in the second front, but eh, can we hope that after the end of the american tour we will clearly hear the answer to the question: do they support the plan victory in the united states of america, in its form and what will be the next steps of biden, who is already considered a lame duck, maybe the lame duck will bring ukraine much more than the swan who will start working in

the white house in january of the 25th year. well, we all understand the following situation, that on the one hand, yes, it seems to be a lame duck, and on the other hand, there was such a thing even in the old ussr, that like a grandfather threw some kind of shout, i don't remember what kind of grandfather there was threw a grenade through the window, district committee... in mind, yes, grandpa is old, he doesn’t care, that’s where grandpa biden can just take it and use it, yes, after november 5th he will already be there, if he doesn’t decide much, and on the other hand, he can sign something for us, give permission to kill us, i’m sure , that it will not happen until november 5, and why

not do it there on the sixth or seventh, the seventh is better, because on november 7 they will still congratulate. lenins are standing around and biden would say that on the day of november 7, we are not opposed to ukraine hitting every lenin anywhere, if this is the first thing and sign something else, for example, to do statement, what is in zelensky's plan, to make a statement there that we are waiting for ukraine, and ukraine will be in nato, that is. that would also be very, very good, then in fact we understand that now zelensky is unlikely to bring anything, but he can bring a promise to talk about it after november 5, and there really, on the one hand, the lame duck can get a window of opportunity for, well, well, at least for

very loud statements and decisive signatures, thank you mr. viktor, well, to our tele'. i will remind the audience what we are doing during this broadcast survey, we ask them about whether we should invite russia to the second peace summit, yes no, everything is quite simple on youtube and facebook, yes no, or if you have your own option, please write in the comments under this video, if you watch us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and vote if you think russia should be invited to the second peace summit 0800 211 381 no 08003 11382. another topic, gentlemen, is the detention of mp artem dmytruk in great britain, you you know, dear tv viewers, that this people's deputy ran away from of ukraine, and now, after the wanted announcement, he was detained in great britain, and

dmytruk himself recorded a video in... extradition, today as part of this process i was detained by law enforcement officers , after that a court hearing took place, i will say one thing: i will remain in touch with you. one more deputy, andriy odarchenko, against whom a crime was committed. no proceedings, he is accused of trying to bribe the head of the agency, the former head of the agency for the reconstruction of ukraine mustafa nayem, is in international wanted, mr. volodymyr, we see people's deputies fleeing from ukraine and fleeing across borders, zelenskyi literally three weeks

ago held a meeting after dmytrouk's escape with border guards, with the sbu, with those who... are responsible for border control, which , what is happening now, to be honest, i cannot understand how a country of grown men who cannot go abroad because of martial law, and we are all here on the territory of ukraine, because martial law, of course, probably so should be but for some men conscripted this border. it is quite accessible, that is, it is very easy to open the door of this border, to leave and not anywhere, but to great britain, why this system. which president zelensky is trying to spin up now, why isn't it working? well, first of all, he went to moldova, then he ended up in great britain. and by the way

, i think it was his mistake to go to great britain, let's see, because with the extradition problem, we have seen it for a long time, in france, there and in some others countries, extradition is always not a simple situation, but the point is not... that here is a people's deputy, he has already crossed the border illegally, and we have not only people's deputies, we have tens of thousands of men who have crossed the border illegally, dozens thousands, if not hundreds, i don't know the exact statistics, no one knows, and we know the answer to this question, what is the problem, yes corruption, unfortunately, yes it works at the border, not only at customs or. there, in relations with the tax office, and at the border, she also sometimes works differently, plus the border crossing channels have already been established there, and we need to deal with this, i don't

think that this problem can be solved all at once, it is an old problem, and now in the conditions of the war it has become even more acute, because there is demand, and when there is demand there is an offer, big money, it is a big temptation, including for different people and in the ranks as well, eh, but i will, if possible, return to the question you asked mr. viktor, here is what zelensky will come back with, well he, i will remind, reminded, he said that he expects decisions your plan, to your proposals in october-november, not immediately, and i think that we will receive an answer to some of the proposals in this plan, in particular on some types of weapons, perhaps in the near future, maybe even during the meeting with... with the head of the white house, part of the positions will be decided later, this is october-november, on long-range missiles, well,

the question is open, by the way, i think that, taking into account the current statements of putin, as a compromise option, and about that some western media write, there may be a situation when we will make it possible to use some long-range weapons of the west. but not official, not public, and by the way, i think that successful strikes, successful strikes on russian arsenals, torpedoes, some other things, well, they could hardly have been so successful if there was no support, in particular satellite guidance, so i i think that there is some help, it is already there, some issues, such as the issue of membership in nato, yes, only after the end of the war. some issues will be decided by the next us president, so there will not be a situation where they will give us full consent or a complete refusal, no, there will be, as always, an intermediate

option, where they will partially tell us yes, partially wait, a little later, or it will be considered, plus there the congress has to decide, maybe the congress that will be at these elections and so on, thank you mr. volodymyr, mr. viktor, all the same, regarding dmytrouk himself, because it is revealing. was such a slap in the face to our entire law enforcement system , and by the way, the people who beat the military and police together with him are still sitting in the verkhovna rada, the same kunitsky, and there are no complaints against him, well, if he is not fled from ukraine, why do people's deputies flee from ukraine? i think that such things prevail there, conversations prevail, first of all, what i myself heard from insiders, from servants, yes, what is this... they have such a slang phrase to go to the side of the forest, yes, where they directly say that the one who defiled himself must become non-public, hide somewhere so that he is neither heard nor seen, yes, but dude,

if you don’t lash out against the greatest leader against the ermak, that is, you behave very quietly, then there are no complaints against you special ones, we forget about you, it's like children there they say i'm in the houses, yes, i'm not visible. but as for those who try to bite, retort, they stop considering them as their own, they are their own sandbox and act against them very decisively, remember what happened to dubinsky, now here is dmytruk, even trying to go public, i would said, this is already a bite of the authorities, yes, what is necessary... be quiet, god forbid, do not take out the garbage from the house, and by the way,

the party of regions, which... there are all conflicts, did the same and impressed many people there completed inside, did not tolerate it at all, and at the same time we we remember how these orange people quarreled with each other, but i think that there is such a policy within the servants of the people and it will continue, that there is such a thing as that the one who is silent, simply, simply, well, how do we say yes there kulchytskyi is a fool there, and nothing will happen to him, yes, yes, yes, i'm sorry. we agreed , and nothing will happen with him, but who is going to arrange something of himself there, well, yes, of those, we will try to at least talk about what we will return, thank you, thank you, mr. viktor, viktor boberenko and volodymyr fesenko were guests of today's program, thank you for participating in the program, gentlemen, and let 's sum up the results of our vote, friends, today we asked you about whether we should

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