glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhii rudenko, i congratulate everyone and wish everyone good health. in the next two hours, we will talk about ukraine, the world, the war, and our victory. during the entire broadcast, we will have five guests. in the first part of our program, we will have people's deputy of ukraine ivanna klympush tsintsadze, a military expert, a colonel of the armed forces of ukraine, vladyslav seliznyov, and a political expert. in the second part of our program, which will begin in exactly one hour, we will have as guests volodymyr fesenko and viktor boberenko, thank you, friends, during the entire broadcast we are conducting a survey, and we are asking you today whether russia should be invited to the second peace summit, so the options for answers are yes, no, if you watch us on tv... you can vote by telephone

lines, if so 0800-211381, no, 0800 211 382, ​​all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote of ours, and before starting our big conversation, i suggest you watch the video of , as fighters of the 79th separate unit of the taurian assault brigade successfully repelled an enemy attack in the area. kostiantynki in donetsk region, five armored vehicles were destroyed, 28 invaders were eliminated, 22 more were found and wounded, watch this video.

glory to the armed forces of ukraine and death to the russian occupiers. i would like to invite our first guest to speak, this is ivanna klypush -tsintsadze, people's deputy of ukraine, head of the parliamentary committee on ukraine's integration into the european union. ms. ivana, i congratulate you, thank you for being with us today. thank you, mr. sergey, thank you for. let's

let's start our conversation with what volodymyr zelensky said at the un security council, the president of ukraine said that our country has evidence of russia's intentions to strike three nuclear power plants on the eve of winter, and how and what the president of ukraine said at the security council, let's listen. russia is again trying to destroy ours. if russia is willing to go this far, it means that none of what we value, what you value, matters to moscow , this kind of russian cynicism will continue to inflict. russia is

a member of the un security council, and this statement, which was made by our president, obviously should have prompted the members of the security council to pass some kind of resolution or warning to their colleagues in the council of security, the russians, but this did not happen, and it is unlikely that it will happen, whether zelensky will be heard. in the un security council and in the un itself and whether we should wait for some decisions or at least in some perspective, because when the president of the country talks about the aggressor trying to hit nuclear power plants, it means that security in the world, not only in ukraine is under threat. well, today president zelensky repeated this information during his speech also at

the united nations general assembly, and this is a very, very serious statement, this is very serious uh-uh disturbing information that. presented to the world by president zelenskyi, and it is obvious that they would like to be concerned, well, not just the expression of concern there or the pressure of one or other countries in their statements on the russian federation and its partners or how to put it , i don't even know how to say it in relation to to the aggressor countries of aggressive and aggressive behavior, but... any decision, any the resolution that is adopted within the framework of the united nations organization at various levels, and it undergoes a very serious long-term preparation, it is agreed, it

is discussed, it is justified with various states, so that they continue to work with their partners there, with the fact that who... to whom has better, better mutual, better access, better opportunities to persuade and so on, so unfortunately, ah, it was used the highest, well, such a world, global, the only global platform to voice this very- very serious information, but through failure of the united nations itself, including the security council of the united nations. we cannot expect that it will be born into some, well, some effective, at least a statement in relation to such intentions of the russian federation. you have already mentioned today's speech by zelensky

at the un general assembly, she too, this speech of our ukrainian leader was leading in nuclear security was leading in his speech. let's listen to this one too. performance russia receives detailed information about our infrastructure nuclear power plants. what does it threaten? any missile or drone strike? any serious incident in the power system can lead to a nuclear disaster. if, god forbid, any of our reactors will be destroyed, many countries will feel the devastating effect of such a disaster. mrs. sir, russia has already violated all conceivable and unthinkable rules that exist in today's world, the un charter, international agreements, but russia was and remains a member of the councils without the un and a member of the un, although it is a member of both the un security council and the un itself,

russia was inherited from the soviet union, that is, russia as the legal successor moved to the seat of the representative of the soviet union in this. important structure and at one time in ukraine, the question of the legal correctness of this was discussed, which happened because russia did not write an application for accession and did not enter according to the usual procedure, as all countries did. ukraine is the founder of the united nations. in the current situation, would it be correct for the ukrainian state to demand the exclusion of russia from the security council? from the un, citing that they are a country aggressor and are waging war, violating all norms and the statute of the united nations organization, but legally, stating that in principle russia should not have been there for the last 30 years, and you

know, i actually personally joined such a public initiative and which justified with different. experts, international lawyers, precisely the mechanism by which the russian federation entered the place of the soviet union, and the security council, and in general the united nations itself, and there is every reason to believe that russia is illegally occupying this place , because, for example, and serbia, as the legal successor of the former socialist country there. yugoslavia, it went through a completely different path in order to become a member of the united nations organization after the breakup of yugoslavia, so there are definitely reasons to talk about it, it is a very complex complex process, it is

a very one that needs serious proof, serious, serious resource there, serious diplomatic work, for everyone, for everyone. continents really, no guarantees that it can be successful there anytime soon, but as far as i'm concerned, it's just one of the… those parallel tracks that should be led by ukraine, and at the same time, we see that the state of ukraine, including the president of ukraine, and the ministry of foreign affairs of ukraine, they did not support these initiatives of public organizations, which, before things, well, they mobilized quite a serious such resource in order to prove. no, no , the illegality of russia's presence in

the security council and in general in the un, and no, if you do not have the support of the state and the support of official kyiv in these efforts, it is obviously difficult to count on the fact that any public initiative, or even a parliamentary initiative, is crowned with success, so until this happens, as part of the official... position of kyiv in the form of its ministry, in the form of its supreme commander and, accordingly, the president of ukraine, who is responsible for foreign policy, then until at that time it was not necessary to count on success at all, but we remember how in the 39th year, when the ussr attacked finland, the league of nations, this is about the image of the current organization of the united nations, they made a decision to exclude the soviet union with... why can't the un make such

a decision regarding russia? i think that during this time russia worked quite seriously to prevent such a decision from passing through the general assembly of the united nations. this is the only way. through which this decision can be made, and the only one, is the un general assembly, and well, in order for such a thing to succeed, it obviously, again, needs very serious, serious work, especially at a time when post-truth, or permanent hybrid information war, she is conducted extremely actively not only by itself. by the russian federation, many of its partners and many other countries, which definitely

distorts the picture of reality in general and which does not help in the restoration of justice from the point of view of where russia is located, we, you remember very well, i am convinced, mr. serhiy, how are we at the beginning of the russian invasion, i'm talking about the 14th year, about... the 15th year, how hard it was to prove to the world that there was really no civil war going on in our country, and it was russia that convinced at that time the whole world is that here ukrainians are creating some people's republics there, they are fighting among themselves, somewhere in the mines they find deeply buried tanks, and the s300 and they are fighting among themselves, these are the things that russia tried to present... to the world and obviously, when you and i were there, in fact, eight years before

the full-scale invasion, we proved that no, it was the russian federation that was directly waging war on our territory, and the world refused, even our partners there, many refused to the end to believe how far the russian state was really there is involved as far as what her intentions are and so on, then imagine, well, how difficult it is to talk about the fact that you exclude the russian federation from the united nations, although for me it is generally a completely black and white, black and white situation , and i think that for all ukrainians this black and white situation is evil, and it completely violates any basic principles of international law, which it dares to tell from all the stands that it protects it, well, it is not called otherwise , it is to turn. devil's lie these days, ms. ivanna, president zelenskyi

presents the victory plan to the leaders of the united states of america, joseph biden, kamala harris, and it is not clear whether he will meet with trump, because the office, the campaign office of trump said that there will probably not be this meeting, well, less with that, but, this the plan is known to several people in ukraine, well, at least those who... apparently are close to volodymyr zelenskyi, and one of them is the head of the president's office, andriy yermak, who, during a speech at the council on international relations in new york, confirmed that inviting ukraine to nato... is part of the victory plan president volodymyr zelenskyi. let's listen to what yarmak said. we must have the advantage on the battlefield to force putin to cease hostilities. we are trying very hard. without ships, we destroyed the black sea fleet.

having no air superiority, we stopped the russian advance in most directions, including kharkov. we are without fear. ukraine's invitation to nato is part of the victory plan. if, ms. ivanna, this plan, part of this plan regarding the accession, the invitation of ukraine to nato will not be implemented, does this mean that this will the victory plan be different, or will this victory plan not happen? since the ukrainian society did not receive anything at all. information, and what does this victory plan contain besides, and even if he does not know its details, he guesses from such individual speeches there or individual articles in the western and ukrainian media, what is directly contained there, well, it is quite difficult to talk about the systemic the vision that president

zelensky brought to the united states regarding the victory plan, or what they called victory plan, seems to me a necessity membership, invitation, promotion to ukraine's membership in nato, as a guarantee of sustainable and stable and long-lasting peace, not only on the european continent, but also in the world, we explain, well, from the very beginning, even a full-scale invasion, and then... when all there, the aristovychs talked about what you remember, it was march 22, that they said, we should consider neutrality as part of the end of this war, and this is what is being discussed in istanbul, despite the fact that, well, the whole state was maximal then

united and is now united in opposing the enemy, and... i remember that i just publicly expressed my indignation at the time, that it was an unacceptable story to discuss whether membership in the alliance should be part of our future or not, that is, after the entire team of the president invested an extraordinary amount of effort in signing these memoranda on promises of aid to ukraine and called them out loud there as security guarantees, security agreements. and loudly reported that this entire system of these treaties, it is precisely the guarantee of our security, it is good that they finally realized that we need membership in nato, but i cannot understand why someone decided that president biden will single-handedly solve the issue of our membership in nato, why someone

decided that even the leadership position of the united states could be in favor of this. question may be the key to a positive, immediate resolution to it, why someone decided that right now it is there, well, an element of some insistence on the last three months of the biden presidency, as far as i, if i i understand correctly what is being said, what is this idea of ​​presenting this plan in the united states of america now, to me, well, i do not have answers to these questions and until we ... see this plan, we will not understand with you, how well-thought-out this approach and this insistence is, but it is obvious that none of us should have the question whether ukraine's membership in nato should be part of ukrainian victory, it definitely should, without any doubt, i

meant , if, if there is no invitation to nato, or whether it will be possible to say that... we need another victory plan, because no, it means that we simply need to systematically work on the victory plan and not only demand from our partners that they take us to nato, invite us to nato and so on. to be honest, it has been a year since the new, adapted annual national program of our rapprochement with the alliance was approved, it happened at the end of december, in the last days of december 23rd, i have not seen a single one. i emphasize, no legislative act that the cabinet of ministers of ukraine would submit to the verkhovna rada of ukraine on making the transformation that we need to... to be truly interoperable with the alliance, and therefore any of our partners, both friends and skeptics,

will unfortunately be asking questions: what are you doing so that we can go through this path quickly, so that we can go through the accelerated path, and the skeptics, the more they will use it against us, then i can't understand why we don't want to take these cards away from them in order to... . to talk meaningfully, concretely and realistically with our partners about our future membership vali thank you, ms. ivanna, for the conversation, it was ivanna klympushentsadze, people's deputy of ukraine, head of the parliamentary committee on ukraine's integration into the european union. friends, we work live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are watching us live now, please like it there. in this video, subscribe to our pages and take part in our survey, today we ask you about whether russia should be invited to the second summit peace? yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube,

if you have your own opinion, a separate opinion, please write it in the comments under this video, if you watch us on tv, on the screen you now see phone numbers, i will voice them and vote on the phone lines if you think russia should be invited to the second peace summit, 082 no 0800 211382 all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will summarize this vote. next, we have vladyslav seliznyov, a military man, in contact expert, former spokesperson of the general staff, colonel of the armed forces of ukraine. mr. colonel, i congratulate you and thank you for joining our broadcast. greetings to you, glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes. colonel, pay attention. the community is chained to the victory plan, which was brought to washington and new york, respectively, by the president of ukraine, and

of course, everyone is commenting on this victory plan, no one has seen it, but everyone is saying, referring to theses in the international press, let's not start with the plan zelenskyi's victory, and what the situation is now takes place at the front, because the situation is difficult enough, as the chairman says. council of reservists of the ground troops of the armed forces of ukraine ivan tymochko near vugledar. ugledar is currently not surrounded, he says, but the advance of the forces of the russian federation and new risks because of this are there. what is currently happening at the front, that is, what is the background for zelensky's visit to the united states of america and how the armed forces respond to the efforts of the russians. still go to the administrative borders of donetsk region? in principle, russian troops are acting in this direction are trying to attract all the resources available to them

to realize this goal. and the fighting is not only in the area of ​​ugladar, but also in the kupinsky, limansky, pakovsky, koragovsky directions, precisely due to the fact that the enemy is trying to form the most convenient sklatzdarmy for further movement forward. here to a certain extent. a strange situation arises, because two months ago, general budanov, the head of ukrainian military intelligence, claimed that by the beginning of october , the army should run out of resources in the harvest, it will not be able to conduct active offensive actions as you can see, this term is emerging, the enemy army continues its offensive, that this is general bohdanov's mistake, or maybe some factors were not taken into account that will seriously change the disposition on the battlefield, because you and i... we know that the key factor that affects for the course of hostilities is the availability of resources. the ukrainian army is deployed. on the one hand, on the other hand, i understand that the russians have also suffered considerable losses and that they

are losing quite a lot of personnel, armored vehicles and weapons, we see this every morning during the morning reports from of the ukrainian general staff, but nevertheless, even despite these losses, the enemy is stubbornly advancing, and the situation in the vogleder district is very eloquent, the city is semi-encircled, which creates very serious problems for the logistics of our garrison, the city is constantly surrounded by enemy cables and enemy artillery shells, there is no longer a place to live there, it is literally being destroyed, these high-rise buildings, which are still under the control of the ukrainian army, are being dismantled into molecules, and to talk about the probability of the destruction of those the very assault units of the enemy army, which are trying to close the square around the lord, are not leaving now. because the superiority of the enemy's forces and means in some positions is eight times greater than our capabilities, so i think that mr. tymochka's assessment is very cautious, and

the context about... is correct, but the trends of that process are very, very dangerous, because if the enemy can with the same pace, tactical urge to move forward, very soon these whips around the tare will be behind. what will i do ukrainian troops, ukrainian commanders who are responsible for the area, the answer is as intended logically, what is more important, to preserve the life and health of our soldiers, or to maintain control over square kilometers, in my opinion, the lives of our soldiers in abundance. without any doubt, mr. colonel, and parallel to this, in vovchansk, the armed forces of ukraine conducted an operation to liberate the aggregate plant, and, as the commander of the battalion of shock unmanned vehicles, achilles of the 92nd separate assault brigade named after koshovoy taman, ivan sirk, told , yuriy fedorenko. there

was a difficult situation with this dismissal, and let's listen to what mr. fedorenko said. objectively, we are in active defense, trying to prevent further advances of the enemy on the most difficult sections, but at the same time, the defense forces conduct a number of operations in order to deprive the enemy of the opportunity to storm on certain sections and, as a result, then knock him out with the aim of returning our god-given land that's what happened this time. at the aggregate plant, this is an operation that was planned and preparatory work was carried out more than one day and more than one week, systematic work of the defense forces, execution specialized divisions of the assigned tasks led to the fact that, as of today, this patch of ukrainian land was managed to be repelled, and most importantly, for the entire period of time, the last two or even three months, the enemy did not have any tactical successes in the field of battle, nor in the area of ​​deep, not in the vovchanchan direction,

the defense forces are full. now they are controlling the situation, mr. colonel, the kursk operation of the armed forces of ukraine allowed the ukrainian army to stretch troops, russian troops along the northeastern border, let's say yes, sumy oblast, kharkiv oblast, in your opinion, as of today, it is possible to characterize the success of this kurdish operation, what has ukraine gained and what has it lost? the key thing is that ukraine forced the russian federation to withdraw a lot of its resources from other areas of the front, and when fedorenko says that the intensity of hostilities in the direction of novovchansk or in the direction of lipka has decreased, this is also due to the fact that now the enemy was forced to take their forces and means from the belgorod region, partly from the north kharkiv region, specifically in the territory of the kurdish

region, in order to block the expansion. the ukrainian bridgehead there, more than that, from other areas of the front, from the chasara area, in some places from the area in the direction of kupyansk, the enemy was forced to withdraw his forces and means. literally recently, information appeared that the enemy airlifted military transport aircraft of the russian army from the south of our country, in particular from the south of the zaporizhzhia region, in order to strengthen their group operating in the territory of the kurt region, that is, to underestimate... the format of the actions of the ukrainian army on the territory of the kurt region is not worth it, because i am sure that those 40,000 russian soldiers who are currently operating somewhere in the direction of suzh, they would be guaranteed to operate somewhere either in the direction of kurakhov or in the direction of pokrov, creating for us there are a lot of problems there, and therefore the actions of the ukrainian general staff led by general stersky in this context are absolutely justified and rational, we actually act within the

strategic framework. defensive operation, including in the territory of the kurt region, and key the goal of this strategic defense operation is the maximum destruction of enemy resources, talk is not really an expense, just look at the summary from the ukrainian general staff, the numbers we see there every morning, they are very eloquent, mr. colonel, i follow the news feed and the news feed from russia, which is leaving, and the propaganda forces of russia report that... putin is currently holding a council of security and discussing the use of nuclear weapons, options for the use of nuclear weapons, or rather, they are clarifying the concept of use nuclear weapons, and what are they saying literally in these minutes, when we are on the air, that the russian federation must take into account the emergence of new sources of military threats and risks to itself and its allies, they clarify the russian military doctrine and

say that... that it is not a nuclear power that attacks us, but for support.