settlement, well, full with me as an employee, including the payment of those previously unpaid payments for previous years, starting from the 21st, because according to my contract, part of the payments to me, there my wages, bonuses, she in fact, i will receive it until the end of my contract or for several years, and where the sum of 40 million came from, i simply do not know, it is... invented, just like the invented story about the bad protection of the ukrenergo substation, which, to be sure, is the only one in principle about objects are protected in this country, and i can to say that i received part of the bonuses there for previous years that were not paid when i was fired, this is a completely normal practice when an employee is fired, he receives all the payments due to him, and the amount of these payments is much less than what he announced

trukha's telegram channel was picked up by 3.5 bloggers and one people's deputy, who was very actively interested in this issue, and very little interested, for example, in the issue of actually protecting infrastructure facilities other than the substation of the ukrainian national people's republic, you know, i, for example, in general, you never like to count other people's money, you won't have more of it, someone won't have less of it, you'll just waste time and maybe get nervous. cells, but in any case, when such information gets into the public, into the public space, many people will hear and will not hear when this information will be refuted, and when there will be time in ukraine, maybe, well, there are already such precedents, of course, but are you not interested in, say, well, for example, suing people who voice such information, just not for the fact that you will win something there, or have extra money, most likely, extra trouble. but

simply it would be such a lesson for such figures and the next time with the next employee of a state company or politician, they simply thought whether to write outright lies or not to write? well, good advice, i will actually think about it, but i want to say that, unfortunately, the amount of payments to the head of ukrenergo for several years is... less than, for example, the amount of the bribe of the deputy minister of energy for one transaction, and i think that the problem is the main one the problem is not that telegram channels write lies, some people there, who have their own youtube channels, spread the mandates of deputies, it is that with a high probability, unfortunately, this is done for money, and money these are taken precisely... not from

the white salaries of the top management of the companies, but from some apparently shadowy cash flows, and as i said, their scale is obviously much larger than the payments there to the management of ukrenergo or some other energy companies. i always paid from my salary taxes, i have always received only a white salary during my career. and i am very proud of the fact that, relatively speaking, the higher the salary i receive, the more taxes i can pay to the state budget, well, as for lawsuits, let's see, there will be time, maybe we will deal with it, i hope, by the way, that well, there is such an initiative in the verkhovna rada of ukraine, in order to bring out of the shadows the owners or, well, the ultimate beneficiaries of certain telegram channels, which have millions of subscribers, more than a million ...

writers, just so that everyone understands who is behind this stands because, if the media has, well, there are certain media that have less influence than individual telegram channels, now 70, more than 70% of ukrainians get their news from telegram channels, by the way, this is yesterday's information, research, that's it it's just a fact, and that's why , relatively speaking, the espresso tv channel, or the direct tv channel, or the rada tv channel, or any other tv channel, is accountable to the national commission, to the law, well, other people should also be accountable, because it's actually already exists as a means of mass information, well, since, again, i receive ukrainians. from there one or another news, and one more question, again, here it is, well, not a frame, but these rumors, they must be finished to the end, and then we will return to the generation and waiting for the autumn-winter period, and we wrote about that , that the minister of energy galushchenko may be behind your dismissal, and if so, why did this information appear, well, this information first of all... i also

said in previous interviews that i consider the ministry to be the initiator of this whole situation , i repeat once again, nothing to do with the bad or good there is no protection of the ukrenergo substation, this situation is completely absurd, but it is simply a desire to obviously control the operational activities of the company, attempts at such control began back in the 21st year, to control money, yes to control money, to control some, i don’t know, personnel appointments within the company , and as early as the 21st year, active attempts began there to offer me very good people for various positions in the company's management, which... i rejected, there were attempts to change the company's management outside the supervisory board, in in the 21st year, already during the invasion and in the midst of the invasion, there were attempts to change the government once again, there were attempts to dictate, for example,

the order of payment of debts on the electricity market , well, that is, these were quite lively attempts. to interfere in our activities, yes, and with documents, with official letters, orders and so on, and we never once succumbed to these attempts, they stopped at some point, obviously, when people realized that we were dealing with such language there is no point in talking, but many have started inspections, first a ministerial audit, then the state audit service conducted an audit with participation. representatives of the ministry, then, numerous investigations by law enforcement agencies, media, by the way, attacks too, and they did not begin before my dismissal or after my dismissal, they began many months ago, i will remind you that the same lies were published about my

salary in 2 million hryvnias, and in my opinion it was trukha's telegram channel that actively dispersed this fake, well, some other things were calculated there, how much was the air conditioner. i'm at my house, well some kind of delusion was published, but obviously it was such an art training, and it is absolutely obvious to me that these attempts, with greater or lesser intensity, were attempts to finally gain this control over the company, but now it is a paradoxical situation, because due to the rather active reaction of the civil society society, including our western partners, who entrusted ukrenergo with 1.5 billion euros of funding during the... invasion, this is more than the ministry and other energy companies took together, after this reactions, the process stopped, that is, i was fired, my deputy was appointed by the supervisory board, that is oleksii bre, i still have duties about him, yes, oleksii brecht, he is our

technical director, and in fact now there is such a crossroads, that is, either the normal system will be restored . the board of the company, when the supervisory board is created, it must include the majority of independent people who supervise the company's activities without any, without regard to any whims of anyone, well , let's say there is such a good word, i don't know, it's in the ukrainian language, it's just that not not with ukrainian, not from ukrainian realities, this word, that's why it sounds like smotryachy and or this. the question is that the institution of the onlookers is, conditionally, something that has forever, we must forever forget it in this country, there are civilized institutions, european, or, if you want,

civilized, institutions of the civilized world, if we go there, then it is precisely such institutions that we need to build, and of course we must not forget that state-owned companies are property... public, the property of the people, they are not the property of officials appointed by someone, and sometimes officials forget about they begin to identify themselves with the owner of a state-owned company, and this is why supervisory boards are needed to insulate the company from such negative possible influence, in the case of ukrenergo, the supervisory board performed this function for several years. and i really hope that after the situation with my dismissal, the new supervisory board that has already been created will be restored, and the team that remained at ukrenergo, which for three winters has kept the power system in extremely difficult

conditions, united it with the european power system, has done a lot for in order to strengthen the defense, which will allow this team to work quietly. well, that is, what kind of time, it is interesting, is now, we have to understand again, alexey brecht, whom you know, whom you mentioned, is performing his duties. and the work continues, i understand that the train moves on the same, the same track without turning anywhere, what is the time for there to be an understanding, this person will begin to perform his duties without this prefix in without this prefix , will they still find some other person, or is this search for you information continues, here it is important to understand that a specialist will come, as for mr. brecht, it is clear that a person who has been there for 25 years has experience. work in the energy sector, and there are no questions here, he is one of the most experienced, most qualified

energy specialists in general in this country, it is very difficult for me to even imagine someone who could surpass oleksiy in terms of competence, i worked with him for many years, shoulder to shoulder, this i can say for sure absolutely, if we imagined that we are with you in norway, how the process should take place, and how it should be created. on the supervisory board, which consists of seven members, four, four of whom are independent, now there are no three at all, and yes, four independent members must be elected to this supervisory board, after that the supervisory board conducts an open, public, transparent competition for the head of the company , not by the criteria of his personal loyalty to someone, not by the criteria of whether he is somewhere there, you know, with whom he drank vodka or with whom he... serves or who is his relative, but by the criteria of professionalism, correct

values ​​and his, so to speak, or her ability to actually lead the company at this very moment, in which it is, and we are, let me remind you, on the eve of a difficult winter, and based on the results of this competition , a manager, a new the head of the company, whether it will be oleksiy or not, whether oleksiy will even apply for this competition or not, these are questions that... can be asked only after this new independent supervisory board is created, and precisely at such way in 2020 i was elected manager, i was chosen in a competition where 40 or 50 people participated, so there was a whole process that lasted several months, and i won this competition and was appointed in august of the 20th year, that is, four years ago, just such a competition should be held this time, have you had any cases? when the president called you on your cell phone, no, not on your cell phone, and the phone must be

an official phone or there is an official phone, but my communication with the president, as a rule, took place within the framework of some meetings, either away or in the president's office , whether in within the framework of rate meetings or other formats, but not through a mobile phone and not through a business phone. the special communications phone, well , i honestly doubt that these special communications are being used so actively at the moment, after they mentioned the president, and he said words that are, in principle, correct, we need to move, ah, build , to increase, to spread, as they say, to strengthen energy security, the president said that one... up to 1 g) of gas maneuverable generation will be built, and then there was

the statement, well, it is both from the president, the plan is given, and the mandate is given, and there are people who have to implement it, then there was the statement of the minister of energy, he said that we already have 400 mw, and you said in the interview that we have from that of time plus 60 mw, that is, we understand the difference, but realistically, how much is 460 and... and what should be done in order for this, this is the president's order, regarding one gigawatt, you said that we lost half of what was last winter, well, at least plus one, why is it not done, or what for is it necessary to do it in order to do it? well, first of all, how much new decentralized generation has actually been built, not generators near ticket shops, nor ecoflos bought by ukrainians, to which the ministry of energy has nothing to do, but new generation that will work... energy-intensive up to, i emphasize, up to 60 mw, not

even 60, but up to 60 mw, but what is it , just to describe what 60 mw is, let me explain , as i said, we lost 9 g, i.e. 900 mw, the new generation has been put into operation today, connected to power system is put into operation up to 60 mw, and somewhere... half of them are two such small power plants, let's put it this way, and one of them was connected, these are small, of low power, and one of them was connected to the network for a year and a half, huh. that is, at this rate, if we continue in this spirit, we will need, i don’t know, a decade to replace the generation that was destroyed by russian missiles, which was lost this year, but we also lost generation in 22, 23. well, that is , it is igres, and it is thermal power plants

coal-fired, these are thermal power plants that work on gas, basically this is... this kind of station, accordingly, what should be done is to stop trying in a centralized way by the state to build decentralized generation, what is decentralized generation, it is when instead of one coal station with a capacity of 100 mw, 100 small power plants with a capacity of 10 appear, conditionally, i say conditionally now, this means decentralization. the very principle that our soldiers use on the battlefield: dispersion, no one tries to gather 100 tanks, 200 armored fighting vehicles and 400 people in one place, on one training ground, right? likewise in energy, energy is under fire from the enemy, under fire from the enemy, accordingly, it must

be dispersed, in order to do this, it is necessary to attract private capital, not... to try to build hundreds of small power plants with the help of state-owned companies, simply giving them a command, you need to build 100 mw, you need 300, you need 200, go and do it, but no one cares how you do it, of course, it is necessary to create conditions for private capital to start massively investing in new ukrainian generation, this is definitely a task facing the ministry of energy, as a specialized ministry. in this area, and it is precisely this that is responsible for the score on the scoreboard. on december 31 , 2024, we will see this score on the scoreboard, so far this score is not very impressive, and what worries me the most is an obvious attempt to embellish the reality there from the rostrum

of the parliament or in public space, talking about hundreds of megawatts of new generation, no ... megawatts of new decentralized generation, as far as i understand, they are trying to add to this figure the restoration of broken thermal power plants from the soviet era, some generators, diesel generators that are installed in the regions at boiler houses, at small pumping stations, but this is not generation , these are power sources after the outages began, they do not work on the power system, well... in the daily mode, so we are talking only about those power plants that will essentially replace these and those coal-fired power plants and thermal power plants, which were destroyed by the enemy, and we have, unfortunately, several dozen of these power plants, what should these power plants work on, on different types of fuel, on gas, ugh, of course, this is such a traditional fuel for modern heat generation, but

i’m just going to ask right away, i i heard a statement in just... in the government, in my opinion, it was sly, but i'm afraid to lie, i just remembered that this year we plan to run on gas from our own production, i'm just leading to the point that if we build these tens of power plants , then buy gas, again the price of this gas and all that will be later get into the price, when a private investor will do it, he already knows what the price of electricity is today on the wholesale market, not for the population, it has nothing to do with the tariffs for the population, it has to do with the prices for businesses, today there are. the price for business, there is the price of gas, accordingly today, by burning gas in a modern gas turbine, gas piston power plant, you can sell electricity from this gas at a profit, huh, and private business, by the way, is very actively ready to invest in these things, and we at ukrenergo the last months were just busy

by creating conditions for private business, so that private business invests in new ukrainian generation with... separately, what did we do with the energy regulator from ncp? liberalization of prices on this wholesale market for business and its long-term contracts, which ukrenergo concludes with investors for 5 years, buying the service from these power plants from the 25th to the 30th year. in this way, the investor clearly understands how to pay off his project. he has a firm contract with a large state company, with an energy operator. system, and this contract he can bring to the bank, take a loan, invest, get a profit on his investment, pay off the loan and get the corresponding profit, i will not ask about jobs, because again we will not give companies one year, this

a realistic term, one year for the deployment of new electricity production systems, as well as energy storage systems, these are battery systems, the so-called battery storage, which are also very necessary for the energy system for balancing, that's only two auctions. energy for these services, 600 mw were given to those who wanted to build, which they will start building right now, this is private business, but in the state sector we still see much more modest results, and i think that the bet should still be placed on private business, because how much to build, it has been known for a long time, back in the 23rd year, at the beginning, we talked about the need to build decentralized generation, by the way, there was a lot of talk about this in the press, but then... a different vision of energy development was brought to the london conference on recovery , some kind of gigantomania where necessary was to build, make 400 billion euros

of investments, build 300 gw of new capacity, well, western investors looked at it, they said, sorry, these plans are unrealistic, you are talking about some space, fantasies, we are business people, and we invest money in real projects , not in someone's dreams, there are dreams and so on and so are we. wasted time, well, in any case, here we are, now we are finishing, as they say, we will get as close as possible to people who will either be warm or cold this winter, here we need to prepare, i understand, in any case, we are going through this winter , there plus or minus will add some tens or hundreds of megawatts to what is available now, here you already said about this year, that is, it is clear that we will restore traditions on traditional generation, so i will prove that how do you advise people to do it? well, it’s so easy to prepare, so what to buy at home, can you buy a large diesel generator at the sbb, that is, if there is no sharp increase

in the intensity of russian shelling, that is, we cannot say that there will not be any at all, but it is important that there will be no sharp increase in the intensity that they will not be at three or five times larger and more frequent, we will have such a situation that in the warm periods of winter, conditionally +2. there, well, up to minus 5, you said zero -1 there will be outages or minimal or no outages at all in the cold periods of winter -5 -7 especially -10 -15 consumption will increase so much that it will not be physically possible to collect enough generation to cover it and then there may be outages what scale they will be, well, this is a guess on the coffee grounds, but you can say what. the deficit may be similar to some summer deficit, i.e. it is not july or of august, it depends a lot, again,

how many power plants will be restored, what will be the import of electricity, because in july we also did not use imports, unfortunately, at full capacity, we did not import all that we could have imported, unfortunately because of the price, but it is also a question for the leaders of the industry, how to ensure the complete filling of imports. in winter, and i want to say, by the way, that the poles, the polish prime minister, in particular, proposed to attract polish power plants to work in ukraine in the winter, and it seems to me that this project needs to be dealt with objectively very much, in order for us to get several hundred megawatts, that is , the use of that imported capacity, which ukrenergo provided there, which, unfortunately, is not used, we have less than a minute, i don’t can i not ask this question, do you already have an understanding of what you will do later in life? i have approximately the following, i.e.

public service, private business, i don’t know, write a book, go traveling, support the armed forces of ukraine there, as you like, i can say for sure that i will be in ukraine, we were engaged in the support of the armed forces in a very substantive way, and we supported them more than 350 million over the last year and a half, and of course, due to my much more modest capabilities, i i will also do this, but i would like to work in one or more of the following areas, this is investment attraction, this is european integration, because in fact, in the 22nd year, we brought ukrenergo into the eu electricity industry, and i believe that this experience can be replicated and for the whole country, that is and transformation. of our energy system, that is , the development of this new decentralized generation, it will essentially mean a new ukrainian energy system, cheaper,

cleaner, more resistant to russian attacks, in what format i will realize myself in these three directions, time will tell, i think the next weeks- months, but i would definitely like to work in these areas, and to date i do not see a big request for this from the public sector, so i will be outside it for now. thank you very much, questions a lot, perhaps not the last conversation, because in fact there is a lot to talk about, this is a very interesting, important topic, in principle, but to explain, explain, point out the problems and most importantly, the ways of overcoming them and solving them, volodymyr kolytskyi was with us, he is the ex-head of the private company, the national energy company ukrenergo, was with us in the 20-24 years, and you

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