in countering the enemy, but i remember that at the time i just publicly expressed my indignation, that this is not an acceptable story at all, to discuss whether membership in the alliance should be part of our future or not, so after the entire team of the president invested an extraordinary amount of effort in signing these memoranda on promises of aid to ukraine and called them out loud guarantees. of security, security agreements, and loudly reported that this entire system of these agreements is precisely the guarantee of our security, it is good that they finally realized that we need membership in nato, but i cannot understand why someone decided that president biden will single-handedly decide the issue of our membership in nato, why someone decided that even the leadership position of the united states can... .

to be in favor of this issue can be a guarantee of a positive, immediate solution to it, why someone decided that right now it is there, well, an element of some insistence on the last three months of the biden presidency, as far as i understand correctly, about what is said, in why is this idea now to present this plan in the united states of america, i, well, i do not have... the answers to these questions and until we see this plan, we will not understand with you how well thought out this current approach is and this insistence, but it is obvious that none of us has any question whether ukraine's membership in nato should be a part of ukrainian victory, it definitely has, yes beyond any doubt, i meant if, if there is not this invitation to nato . can we talk

that we need another victory plan, because no, it means that we simply need to systematically work on the victory plan and not only demand from our partners that they take us to nato, invite us to nato and so on. to be honest, in the year since the new adapted annual national program of our approach to the alliance was adopted, it happened at the end of december, in the last days of december 23, i have not seen a single, i emphasize, a single legislative act that would the cabinet of ministers of ukraine submitted to the verkhovna rada of ukraine on making the transformation that we need in order to be truly interoperable with the alliance, and so any of our partners, both friends and skeptics, will unfortunately be asking the question, what are you doing to so that we... can go that

way quickly, so that we can go that way fast, and the skeptics, the more they're going to use it against us, i can't see why we don't want to take those cards away from them so that to speak meaningfully, concretely and truly realistically with our partners about our future membership in the alliance thank you mrs. ivanna for the conversation, it was ivanna klympushentsadze, people's deputy of ukraine, head. of the parliamentary committee on ukraine's integration into the european union. friends, we work live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms. for those who are watching us live right now, please like this video, subscribe to our pages, and take our poll. today we are asking you about whether russia should be invited to the second summit peace? yes, no, everything is quite simple on youtube, if you have your own opinion, a separate opinion, write it. her please in the comments under this

video. if you watch us on tv, on the screen you can now see the phone numbers, i will voice them and vote with the phone lines. if you think that russia should be invited to the second peace summit (0800-211-381, no 0800-211-382). all calls to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will sum up the results of this vote. next, we are in touch with vladyslav siliznyov, former military expert. spokesman of the general staff, colonel of the armed forces of ukraine. mr. colonel, i congratulate you and thank you for joining our broadcast. greetings to you, glory to ukraine. glory to the heroes. mr. colonel, the attention of the world community is focused on the victory plan brought to washington and new york, respectively, by the president of ukraine. and, of course, everyone is commenting on this victory plan, no one has seen it, but everyone is talking about it, referring to theses in

the international press. let's start not with zelensky's victory plan, but with what it is the situation is now developing at the front, because the situation is not easy enough. as the chairman of the reservist council of the ground forces of the armed forces of ukraine ivan tymochko says near vugledar vgledar is currently not surrounded, he says, but the advance of the forces of the russian federation and new risks because of this are there. what is currently happening at the front, that is , what is the background for zelenskyi's visit to the united states of america and how are the armed forces responding to... the russians' attempts to reach the administrative borders of the donetsk region. in principle, russian troops are in this direction and act, they try to use all the resources available to them to realize this goal. and the hostilities not only in the area of ​​ugledar in

the kupinsky, limansky, pakovsky, koragovsky directions are precisely due to the fact that the enemy is trying to form the most convenient bridgeheads for further forward movement. here. to a certain extent, a strange situation arises, because two months ago, general budanov, the head of ukrainian military intelligence, stated the following: by the beginning of october , the army's resources should be exhausted during the harvest, it will unable to carry out active offensive actions. as you can see, this term is coming up, the enemy army continues its offensive, that this is general bodany's mistake, or maybe some factors were not taken into account that will seriously change the disposition on the battlefield. because you and i know that the key factor that affects the course of hostilities is the availability of resources, the ukrainian army is exhausted, on the one hand, on the other hand, i understand that the russians have also suffered considerable losses and that they are losing quite a lot personnel, armored vehicles and weapons, we see it every morning during

morning reports from the ukrainian general staff, but nevertheless, even without taking into account these losses, the enemy is pressing forward, and the situation in the ugladar area is very eloquent, the city is semi -encircled. which creates very serious problems for the logistics of our garrison, the city is constantly bombarded with enemy cables and enemy artillery shells, there is no living space there anymore, it is literally collapsing, disassembled into molecules and high-rise buildings, which are still under the control of the ukrainian army, and to talk about the probability of the destruction of the same assault units, enemy armies that are trying to close the square around the owner, is not right now... because the advantage of enemy forces and means in some positions is eight times greater than our capabilities, so i think that the assessment of mr. tymochka is very careful and the context is basically correct, but the trends of that process are very, very dangerous, because if

the enemy can move forward with the same pace of tactical time, very soon these vices will will be for what i will do ukrainian troops, ukrainians... teams, which are responsible for the area, the answer seems to me to be logical, which is more important, to preserve the life and health of our soldiers, or to maintain control over square kilometers, to me, the lives of our ponies are much more valuable, without any doubt, mr. colonel, and parallel to this in vovchansk, the armed forces of ukraine conducted an operation to liberate the aggregate plant, and just in time... the commander of the 92nd achilles unmanned aerial vehicle battalion yuriy fedorenko of the separate assault brigade named after ivan sirko koshovoy taman, quite there it was a difficult situation with this dismissal , and let's listen to what mr. fedorenko said.

objectively, we are in active defense, trying to prevent further advances of the enemy on the most difficult areas, but at the same time the defense forces. they carry out a series of operations in order to deprive the enemy of the opportunity to storm in certain areas, and as a result, to knock him out with the goal of returning our god-given land. so this time it happened at the aggregate plant, this is an operation that was planned and preparatory work was conducted more than one day and more than one week. the systematic work of the defense forces, the performance of specialized units of the assigned tasks led to the fact that, to date, this piece of ukrainian land has been recaptured. and what is most important, for the entire period of time, the last two or even three months, the enemy did not have any tactical successes in the field, neither in the deep section, nor in the vovchan direction. defense forces are now in full control of the situation. mr. colonel, the kursk operation

of the armed forces of ukraine allowed the ukrainian one army to stretch the troops, the russian troops along the northeastern border, let's say , the ska region, the kharkiv region, as far as you think, but as of today, you can characterize the success of this course operation, what ukraine gained and what it lost. the key thing is that ukraine forced the russian federation to withdraw a lot of its resources from other areas of the front, and when fedorenko says that the intensity of hostilities in the direction of navavchanchansk or in the direction of lypka has decreased, it is also due to the fact that now the enemy was forced to withdraw its forces and means from the belgorod region, partly from the north of kharkiv region, precisely to the territory of the kurt region, in order to block... the expansion of the ukrainian bridgehead there, even more, from other areas of the front, from the chasyara region, in some places from district in the direction of

kupyansk, the enemy was forced to withdraw his forces and means, just recently there was information that the enemy was flying military transport aircraft of the russian army paratroopers from the south of our country, in particular from the south of the zaporizhzhia region for to settle your group that operates in the territory of the kurt region, that is, to underestimate... the format of the actions of the ukrainian army in the territory of the kurt region is not worth it, because i am sure that those 40,000 russian soldiers who are not operating somewhere in the direction of suzh they would be guaranteed to act somewhere either in the direction of kurakhov or in the direction of pokrov, creating a lot of problems for us there, and therefore the actions of the ukrainian general staff led by general stevesky in this context are absolutely justified and rational, we actually we act within the framework. strategic defense operation, including in the territory of the kurt region, and the key goal of this strategic

defense operation is the maximum extraction of enemy resources. the vice is actually not the cost, just look at the summary from the ukrainian general staff, the numbers we see there every morning, they are very eloquent. mr. colonel, i am following the news feed and the news feed from russia, which is being broadcast and reported by the russian propaganda media. that putin is currently conducting the security council and discussing the use of nuclear weapons, options for the use of nuclear weapons, more precisely, they clarify the concept of the use of nuclear weapons, and what, what are they saying literally in these minutes, when we are on the air, that the russian federation must take into account the emergence of new sources of military threats and risks to itself and its allies, they clarify the russian military doctrine and say that if not a nuclear state attacks us, but with the support of nuclear states, then russia can retaliate, and putin

said that russia can consider the issue the use of nuclear weapons already after reliable data about the massive launch of missiles and drones while crossing the border, well , in fact, in fact, putin said that from now on, if this happens again, we can use nuclear weapons against ukraine, eh. as far as these threats are concerned, well, the real circumstances in which russia is now, and, taking into account the warnings that the kremlin received from cia director bers back in october-november 2022, and even more so, in april 2022, i am at the yavoriv training ground in the lviv region, together with the officers, were on the alert, because then there was operational information that the russian army was about to strike

the infrastructure of the training grounds with a tactical nuclear missile, that did not happen, and it did not happen later, will it happen now in connection with certain transformations are becoming the strategy of nuclear deterrence in the russian federation, my answer is obviously no, because the question arises, what will the russian army beat with a starmat-type missile, which only carried out one effective launch within the framework of research, although it has already been put into combat mode rotation introduced into the ranks of the russian army, is it possible that other equipment will be used like voivode-type missiles, by the way, this is a ukrainian development, it continued its operation for a long time, including with the support of ukrainian specialists until the beginning of russian-ukrainian, russian- of the ukrainian war, the russians can dream about anything and talk about everything... but do they have the opportunity, the resources to implement these missions? the answer is ambiguous.

another question is quite important, i am i am trying to raise many topics at the same time and talk to you, because it is interesting to know your opinion about the public sz, that is, the arbitrary abandonment of parts. now here is the story of journalist serhii gnizdelov, who served in... the 56th separate motorized infantry brigade, he announced the szh, there they appointed an official investigation and declared that the military man had committed actions that contained signs. on the one hand, it is clear that there is current legislation that provides for responsibility for szh, and on the other hand, in conditions where the conditions of demobilization and rotation are not clearly prescribed military personnel who have been in the war for the third year, and some for the 11th year, there are a lot of

questions from these same military personnel, who have serhii gnizdilov, what if it doesn't work out that way. and there are no rules that he would, that he would follow, regarding when he can be demobilized there, then this szh arises. could this lead to negative results in the military, when, well, if sergey gnizdilov avoids this responsibility, these cases will be repeated, and these cases will lead to the fact that at some stage... fighters from the armed forces of ukraine will begin to leave their positions, well, some of them. if you don't know how to act, act according to the law. and as far as i'm concerned, it's obvious. if hnizdilo has committed a crime, he must answer according to the letter of ukrainian legislation. and there can be no

misunderstandings. and what about the need to rotate ukrainian servicemen, who are each 2.5 years old. it is obvious who fulfills the duties of military service more. let us recall our modern historical experience. between 2014 and 2017, ukraine conducted six waves of mobilization and, accordingly, demobilization. i do not understand what prevents the current military and political leadership of our country from returning to this practice. i often heard certain objections from the ministry of defense, from the general staff, that it was impossible. but wait, now. we have prepared 14 brigades, the president says about this, he also complains that only four of them are equipped with weapons and military equipment, so maybe this personnel is worth those direct the most newly created brigades to the combat brigades, so that at least they can partially carry out a rotation process there for a certain extended period of time, and maybe even

demobilization, maybe it is worth reactivating the case of mobilization processes with clearly defined time indicators, at which time intervals the citizens of ukraine will be called up in within the framework of the next waves of mobilization, because if such an algorithm works, it is possible that there will be more people willing to voluntarily join the ukrainian army. i think that the adaptation of ukrainian legislation to the conditions of a modern full-scale war must take place, and these transformations are entirely within the power of the current political power. why is this not happening? mr. colonel, another short question, i hope for an equally short answer, because people's deputy of ukraine oleksiy honcharenko, this is the only source that i have seen so far, claims that the new directive of the command of the ground forces not only stopped the conscription of men from 18 to 25 years old , but also does not allow the forced mobilization of men over 50 years of age,

except by special order, i have nowhere to be honest, i found... this order, it is obviously secret, or at least completely secret, but goncharenko wrote about it: how likely is it that such an order exists? eh, there can be no documents issued either by the ministry of defense, or by the general staff, or by the ground forces command, which contradict the norms of ukrainian legislation, as soon as changes are made to the law of ukraine on mobilization and mobilization training and a number of other regulations. acts that will change the age of those citizens of ukraine who are to be called up as part of the mobilization, well, for example, from 25 to 50 years old, then ok, we can talk about it, and for now these are assumptions that are spread by the people's deputy, but again, the information is primarily of this level should communicate through official spokesmen, if it is a matter of the command of the ground forces, then, accordingly,

the command of the ground forces, perhaps the general staff or the ministry of defense, so far no official statement from these officials are nothing. didn't see it, thanks sir colonel, thank you for the conversation, it was vladyslav seliznyo, military expert, former spokesman of the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine, colonel of the armed forces of ukraine. friends, we continue to work live on the tv channel, as well as on our youtube and facebook platforms, for those who are watching us live there, please take part in our vote, today we ask you whether russia should be invited for the second peace summit, so everything is quite simple on youtube, the yes button, the no button. and own comments that come out beyond these two unequivocal answers, you can leave in the comments below this video, if you are watching us on tv, pick up your smartphone or phone and... vote on your phones if you think russia should be invited to the second peace summit ( 0800-211-381, no 0800-211-382), all calls

to these numbers are free, vote, at the end of the program we will match the results of this vote. next, ihor reiterovych, political scientist, head of political and legal programs of the ukrainian center for social development, will be in touch with us. mr. igor, i am you congratulations, thank you for being with us today. congratulations, so there is a big presentation in the united states of ukraine’s victory plan, volodymyr zelenskyi is there, he spoke both at the un security council and at the general assembly today, but against the background of what the ukrainian delegation is demonstrating its desire to defeat russia, russia by mouth vasyl neben. representative of russia at the united nations, says that the russian federation will continue a full-scale war against ukraine if the measure does not allow the overthrow of the current

ukrainian government. let's hear what ni bendzia said. we treat ukrainians with respect, they are a brotherly nation with which we are connected by historical ties. several million of them found refuge. precisely in russia, if the event does not allow to get rid of the cancerous tumor represented by the kyiv regime by peaceful means, if the geopolitical considerations of the usa and its satellites turn out to be more important than saving ukraine, then we will continue the special operation until its task is accomplished by military means, if nothing else way to achieve peace in our country will not that is, sir. igor, russia does not want any peace talks, and they said until we destroy the current leaders of ukraine, they will not calm down, and the head of the ukrainian

state says, we have a plan to win, does the plan to win ukraine mean, the plan, is it a plan to defeat russia? well, in any case it will be a defeat for russia. look, russia is already losing because they already had some goals, they actually got others. and they understand that those goals, even intermediate ones, which they have been changing for 2.5 years large-scale war, they are unattainable, they will never achieve them, and even a significant part of the so-called russian political and economic elite admits this, they do it so far indirectly, sometimes not directly , but the logic, well, this logic is followed in their statements, moreover, even putin himself, who constantly changes the goals of this war, he essentially admits that ... which of them simply will not be achieved, but in fact we we really have, well, what a cardinal mismatch of ukraine's vision, vision russia, which in principle is quite expected, here

it would be appropriate to wait for russia to somehow change its position, be ready to withdraw, for example, from our territory, but this does not negate the fact that the russians are waiting until, when this peace plan was made public, and since this peace plan certainly does not touch the territory of the russian federation itself, we understand... it is great that ukraine is not going to occupy part of russia, there of the kurdish region and so on, this is simply a defensive operation that can be stopped if there will be a certain necessity for this, so then it will be interesting to see how the actual rhetoric of the russian federation will change, including the rhetoric of those countries that take a neutral or even a certain partner position in relation to russia, and here you have there sounded a very correct, interesting question, whether to invite or not to invite, it seems to me that to invite... just right, but this summit, well, it should take place under the format of the plan presented by ukraine will be rejected by russia, well, great, so the whole world will see that she does not really want to sit down at

the transition table, talk about something, and actually, well, think about how to solve this situation, which she created through political and diplomatic means, if she agrees, well, that is also normal, because they are in this way , at least they recognize the perspective and the expediency of the plan actually presented by ukraine, well , we are now, well, at a stage when everyone is waiting for when this plan will be announced, but the most important thing not even that, the most important thing, actually, will this plan be complete supported to the extent by our partners, russia is now trying to preemptively act somewhere, there was putin's statement where he began to say that some mass attacks by drones or missiles there receive a nuclear response from russia and so on, this is just an attempt to change the situation and yet for inhibiting the granting of this permission to ukraine itself. which in turn suggests that russia in this story is actually very afraid, because it knows that it will not be able to adequately respond to it, and it will suffer very much, so

we will wait a couple more days, we will see this plan, we will see the actual reaction of the partners, and then we will look at the reaction of the russian federation as a last resort, well, not benji, he rolled back his mandatory program, came out, something there , read, and will go again to where he basically spends all his time when he is not speaking at meetings of the united nations. mr. igor, it was not for nothing that i asked about whether there is a sign of equality between the plan for victory and the plan for the defeat of russia, the plan for the victory of ukraine, because for our westerners partners obviously, these are different concepts, i.e. the plan to win ukraine and the plan to defeat russia, can the same biden or our other western partners clearly say, or why don’t they say it, that putin’s regime threatens not only ukraine, but the whole world, and that our task is to defeat this regime,

if not russia, then the regime. putin's well , look, they really have such a fear. and i, well, i wouldn't even call it fear. look, they still don't have the most important thing. they have no understanding and no scenario at all, and what will happen if russia really loses. it will lose in the sense that it will hit the regime that exists today . because, well, well, let's put it this way, if russia withdraws from the territories that it is currently temporarily occupying, this is a defeat for russia, because they set themselves one goal, they do not achieve it, accordingly, they lose. you won't even lose. chilapika of his territory, because in modern languages, we are talking about, in wars, we are not talking about the specific loss of certain territories, we are talking about other somewhat global things, things of the narrative plan, discourse plan, and in this context it is of course a defeat for russia, and since the west has so far, and this is a paradox to some extent, a possible scenario has not worked out at the official level, at the expert level there are such scenarios, by the way, they are quite actively presented in specialized publications and...

you are discussing these issues there, but there is no such understanding at the official level, so it all boils down to the fact that ukraine should not lose, but the question of victory itself, it really in this regard, it does not rise , well, it does not rise, and by the way, we we remember how there were statements from our partners that ukraine has already won, but it has not lost its statehood, it has retained its ability to act, subjectivity, the army there, the vast majority of territories there and so on, if you had preserved democracy, you would have already won , but for us today... the day is not enough history, and when we present our plan, the president presents the plan, i think he called it the victory plan for a reason, so that this is, on the one hand, a certain challenge, and on the other hand, well, it puts our partners somewhat at a disadvantage in diplomatic terms in that sense that, well, they can't deny obvious things, they can't admit that let's agree to some half-dozens of putin and we won't give the opportunity, that means to return all the territories to ukraine, so let's

hope that they have this evolution. sooner or later it will end, and they will not see anything wrong with the fact that putin's own regime is destroyed, even indirectly, even at their hands, as a result of the defeat in russia, and then it will be possible to talk about the dream of all russians the so-called liberals of the beautiful russia of the future, yes, i do not think that it will be so beautiful and will have some great future, but they can actually dream about it and will be able to try to implement it in practice later, now in... the states in america, mr. igor, the presidential campaign is underway, and before the visit to the united states of america, president zelensky said that he would meet with biden, with harris, and with trump, but the associated press writes that, citing a representative of trump's staff, that the republican candidate will not meet this week with ukrainian president volodymyr zelensky, who is visiting the united states, and... the publication

also said that on tuesday, trump praised russia's military experience in historical conflicts and mocked american aid to ukraine, in which assured that if elected president, he would quickly end the war started by moscow. well, here is one remark about historical conflicts, he mentioned napoleon and the second world war. now we will listen to what donald said trump at a rally in georgia. that the united states of america should withdraw from the war in ukraine. we're going to be stuck in this war if i don't become president. i will do it, i will get out of it. we have to get out of it. biden says we're not leaving until we win. and what will happen if the russians win, they know how to fight, as someone told me the other day.